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ABC/WaPo Poll: Obama Ahead Of McCain
A general election of Barack Obama versus John McCain is in many ways a stark contest of experience versus change -- and change is currently winning, according to the new ABC/Washington Post poll:
Obama 51%
McCain 44%Sample size: 1,122 adults.
Margin of error: ±3%
For poll questions on different character traits, McCain leads on who has better experience (71%-18%) and who has better knowledge of world affairs (65%-24%). But Obama has big majorities on which candidate would bring needed change to Washington (59%-29%), better personality and temperament (56%-32%), better understands people's problems (54%-35%), and has a clearer vision for the future (54%-34%).
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It's only May, but I like the trend lines.
May 12, 2008 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't mind seeing some polling of an Obama-Clinton ticket. Imagine getting TWO fundraising juggernauts with huge bases of support campaigning on the same ticket! McSame won't know what hit him.
May 13, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't dismiss this ticket out of hand. There's good reason for Obama to consider Clinton. For one, he barely beat her. Two, she isn't just your average runner-up. She's a titan in the Democratic and a national brand with her own base of fervent support. I'm curious to see if the gain from a joint ticket is greater than the loss from each base of supporters' hatred for the other candidate. I can't help wondering how strong a combined Obama-Clinton operation would be. We could be talking about a $1 billion ticket with 10 million volunteers!
May 13, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't help wondering how strong a combined Obama-Clinton operation would be.
On the other hand, I can't help wondering how much any strengths of that combination would be nullified by the obvious weaknesses. It undermines Obama's claim to be opposing the status quo, because Bill/Hillary are the status quo as far as the Democratic party is concerned. Her negatives are high, and the higher turnout that could help Obama could be nullified by the higher right-wing turnout. And her energizing the right-wing base also works in the GOP's favor on house and senate races.
I also can't help wondering how she'd respond to obvious ads from McCain, such as ads with video of her saying that McCain is ready to be commander in chief and Obama is not. What's she going to say? That she was lying? That Obama wasn't ready back then, but he's ready now because he's given so many speeches on the campaign trail?
Seriously, what's she going to say when McCain runs an ad with video of Obama's own running mate saying that Obama isn't ready to be president, and runs that ad over and over and over again?
Hopefully we won't have to find out.
May 13, 2008 12:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I just can't see it and at this point I can't figure out why anyone's even talking about this. That's not even considering the problem of Bill. Nope. No way.
May 13, 2008 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would almost rather have Clinton win the nomination that have to suffer through her as Obama's VP candidate. That's how much of a trainwreck it would be.
Like watching the Larry David show but it ain't a comedy.
May 13, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
the Larry David show is a comedy?
May 13, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just so you know, when I read your posts, I actually "hear" them spoken in the voice of Phillip J. Fry.
May 13, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Considering that Clinton's campaign keeps going into debt, this must be some usage of "juggernaut" that I'm not familiar with.
May 13, 2008 8:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great, so we're replacing a meaningless national poll against Clinton with a meaningless national poll against McCain. But I guess it keeps us occupied.
And yes, it drives narrative, yada yada.
May 13, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stilton appears to be engaged in a conversation with himself.
Sadly, even himself doesn't seem all that convinced of what s/he's saying.
May 13, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thundercats are lose, baby!
May 13, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wave?
May 13, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
IT'S...
May 13, 2008 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
EXCELLENT
May 13, 2008 12:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
NEWS!!
May 13, 2008 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
FOR...
May 13, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain
May 13, 2008 2:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
HILLARY!!!!!
May 13, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
FOR
May 13, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Monty Python's Flying Circus!
May 13, 2008 1:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is great news for Obama. As he pivots towards McCain. McCain will be exposed as the old Washington insider he is.
May 13, 2008 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
No no no to Obama-Clinton ticket. She'd be no good as second in command. She wouldn't like it and she'd always be fighting (after all, that's her own self-description). Plus, honestly, most non-democrats hate her passionately. She'd be an albatross around his neck (I really disagree with her self-assessment that she's more electable than Obama. I think had she won the nomination, the Republicans would be frothing at the mouth). Plus she's got Bill attached to her. No way. Plus she's about the past and he's about the future. And really, neither one of them has a ton of executive experience. He would do well to have a governor as VP.
May 13, 2008 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that an Obama-Clinton ticket would undermine the very platform on which the Obama campaign owes its phenomenal success.The desire for change resonates greatly with the American people and the inclusion of "old politics" clinton would damage that formula.At the moment Hillary runs up so much negatives it would be suicidal to bring her on board. And the negatives are not just national but also cross outside the borders. Remember how she pissed off Pres.IamADinnerJacket and half the middle East with the "Obliterate" comment and managed to despair the United Nations.Sorry folks...no can do.
May 13, 2008 6:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that an Obama-Clinton ticket would undermine the very platform on which the Obama campaign owes its phenomenal success.The desire for change resonates greatly with the American people and the inclusion of "old politics" clinton would damage that formula.At the moment Hillary runs up so much negatives it would be suicidal to bring her on board. And the negatives are not just national but also cross outside the borders. Remember how she pissed off Pres.IamADinnerJacket and half the middle East with the "Obliterate" comment and managed to despair the United Nations.Sorry folks...no can do.
May 13, 2008 6:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that an Obama-Clinton ticket would undermine the very platform on which the Obama campaign owes its phenomenal success.The desire for change resonates greatly with the American people and the inclusion of "old politics" clinton would damage that formula.At the moment Hillary runs up so much negatives it would be suicidal to bring her on board. And the negatives are not just national but also cross outside the borders. Remember how she pissed off Pres.IamADinnerJacket and half the middle East with the "Obliterate" comment and managed to despair the United Nations.Sorry folks...no can do.
May 13, 2008 6:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oops, comment system just went haywire..!
May 13, 2008 6:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I'm not concerned that an Obama-Clinton ticket would be less electable, but I do think it would threaten his ability to govern effectively. A president doesn't have to be tight with his veep, but he does need to trust that the veep isn't undermining him behind his back. Hillary is many things, but a team player is not one them. Besides, between her and Bill, one can barely fathom the number of distractions that would result, getting in the way of the Obama administration's message and agenda.
May 13, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
She would rally the Republican base which is not now solid for McCain. Would you like to be Obama as President with Bill roaming around the WH?
May 13, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
F-F-F-F-FOR H-H-H-H-
May 13, 2008 1:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting on gender, age, and race. Race SHOULDN'T matter - I think its been as close to proven as possible that there are no real differences between races other than fairly innocuous physical differences like skin color, eye-shape, etc. And some cultural differences that have evolved over time but are far from static or uniform. And don't exist when the cultures aren't different.
But age and gender are REAL. Men and women are different. Biologically, hormonally, emotionally. Not that one is better or more qualified or capable than the other. Both have enormous strengths and weaknesses. But the differences are real. I think that both need to be represented at the highest levels of leadership and we should have had a woman president by now. And probably will soon. But not this year. Wrong woman, sorry. There have been excellent leaders from both genders, but they're not the same and voters of both sexes can and will take these real differences into account.
Age is also REAL. I've been young and I've been middle aged and they're not the same. I have friends and relatives who are or have been old (I hope to get there myself some day) and they ASSURE me that its not the same either. I've known some enormously capable, energetic, and wise old folks who would make great leaders. And many who aren't and wouldn't. McCain seems very very on top of his game, but when the old-age slide starts, it can be a quick descent. His mother is an indication that he's built for old-age, but only an indication. There's nothing wrong with taking this into account. I've known some old folks with tremendous wisdom, but I don't know that I've ever met one who is as flexible a thinker as they were when they were younger. These times may require flexibility and age is a very real consideration - it's not discrimination.
Some differences are real, some are imagined - we should be able to talk honestly about them, no?
May 13, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
For example, if you take the median height of women and the median height of men and compare them, you can say that "men are taller than woman". But the bell curves overlap so much that the statement isn't very meaningful.
May 13, 2008 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, when it comes to height (or strength), I'd have to disagree. When we're talking about elites (as all presidential candidates would be), it's not the median but the tails of the curves that matter.
In the height example, I'd hardly be considered elite, but I'm definitely above average. At 6'2", there are several men taller than me, but when I see a woman who is taller than me, it's quite the exception. This is even more true when it comes to strength.
That said, when it comes to traits that are actually relevant for governing, you are absolutely correct. To the degree that there might be differences on average between the sexes, individual differences are far more important.
Heck, even if we were talking about a strength contest, if a woman is the strongest person, then a woman is the strongest person, regardless of any average results.
May 13, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
His mother is an indication that he's built for old-age, but only an indication.
What people don't take into account is the toll on McCain that five years as a POW must have taken.
So I'm not sure how indicative the longevity of Mom McCain is of McCain's longevity.
Just saying....
May 13, 2008 8:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
HRC has a continuing, distinguished career in the U.S. Senate to look forward to. No to the VP slot. I can't imagine she'd even want it. There are any number of worthwhile picks out there. My preference is Kathleen Sebelius, but what do I know? The Ted Strickland idea ain't half bad either.
May 13, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that HRC would be a bad veep choice. She would be a fine president (yes..just Obama is better IMO) but for veep I think there are better choices. For as many voters as she would bring in, she would lose as many with her high negatives and her lack of um, honesty and morals would undercut his core message.
I just don't see that advancing the cause. There are other options that would bring in the 'white, hard working voter' and would stil be keeping with his central message.
On the other hand there is a lot of encouraging stuff in this poll, the least of which is beating McSame by 7pts. This is one of many indications that support for McCain has peaked.
The experience disparity isn't going to change much but it doesn't matter. It is better that he is beating/tied with McBush on all of the other important attributes except foreign policy - which in some ways is laughable considering that McCain keeps confusing Sunni's & Shiites. On this one though I think Obama will make a lot of progress on with the flip to the GE. This hasn't been much of an issue in the primary but I am looking forward to Obama taking McCain to school on this one over the summer.
May 13, 2008 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
As Hillary becomes more and more a remote memory, the polls of the democrat versus the republican will look starker and starker for McCain. Obama's election will be a historic landslide.
May 13, 2008 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
You left out some really important stuff from the ABC/WaPo poll:
"Despite Obama's advantage in delegates and popular vote, 64 percent of Democrats in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll say Clinton should remain in the race. Even among Obama's supporters, 42 percent say so. It reflects a rejection of the notion that the drawn-out contest will hurt the party's prospects. Seventy-one percent think it'll either make no difference in November (56 percent) or actually help the party (15 percent)."
"Clinton continues as the preferred choice as Obama's running mate, with 39 percent of Democrats saying they'd like him to pick her if he's the nominee. That peaks at 59 percent of African-Americans, 47 percent of Clinton supporters and 42 percent of women (vs. 34 percent of men)."
May 13, 2008 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you look at the results, Otto, you'll see that 61% indicated that they prefer another candidate for VP, said that it's up to Obama, or had no opinion. In fact, the majority of those polled would not choose Hillary as Obama's running mate.
May 13, 2008 7:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's Hillary's Plan B, can you say Trojan Horse?
May 13, 2008 4:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone knows the VP push is plan b for Hillary to get back into the white house. Having Hillary on the ticket is a horrible idea. Obama would effectively take himself out of contention for independents. And if you believe that people in Appalachia are going to vote for the interracial ticket, I want some of what you've been smoking.
Don't forget Hillary and her entire team - Bill, Carville, Begalla, Lanny, Blumenthal,etc. - are the old democratic Washington pols that we need to get rid of to return the balance of power in Washington to its citizens. They are all getting rich off of their former public service. Chief among them is Bill Clinton. They are going to fight to stay relevant. Hillary as VP helps them achieve that, even if its not ideal.
May 13, 2008 4:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree entirely with the "interracial" notion. Regardless of who Obama picks, it will almost certainly be an "interracial" ticket. Obama doesn't need Appalachia to win in November but if he did Hillary wouldn't hurt him any more than any other candidate-- She'd probably help him.
But I think that having Hillary on the ticket would be a bad idea.
May 13, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Time to pass the torch.
The republicans obviously don't know how to do it.
Hopefully, the Democratic party will be able to show them how it's done.
May 13, 2008 5:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
The republican playbook isn't going to work this year. People are tired of distractions, and Obama seems more reasonable on foreign policy than John "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb" McCain.
I think McCain's vast experience would be an asset in this election if he were running as Legislator In Chief, but it's not going to be effective when compared to the contrasting theme of Judgment which Obama successfully used to counter Hillary's claim to the same.
Moreover, the Distraction Du Jour that was becoming the lovechild of republican operatives--the "Pastor's Gone Wild" meme-- isn't playing well in a places where it was born to succeed: the deep south. We'll get a barometer of that strategy in the Childers special election contest in Mississippi today.
This election is shaping up to be Obama's to lose. Ultimately, I have faith in his campaign to win the day. Particularly when the media stops swooning over the "Maverick" and starts spotlighting his troublesome gaffes.
May 13, 2008 7:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
pistons can close out the magic at 7:00 pm tonight. spurs and hornets are after that, i think. won't be watching the appalachian primary.
May 13, 2008 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
two great videos that will get endless play for the next six months...lying joe whispers "al quaeda is sunni" and hunched john posits "make it a hundred years"....and there are probably more to come
May 13, 2008 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama chose Hillary as Veep, I would have serious doubts about his judgment.
May 13, 2008 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, clearly team Obama needs to work on the 65% of the people who think McCain has more "knowledge of world affairs."
For crying out loud, this is a man who doesn't understand the basic religious dynamics that are fueling much of the political infighting and actual violence in Iraq.
Here's a man who seems perfectly comfortable starting another war in Iran.
And what exactly does he know about Russia? China? India? Even Europe for pete's sake.
May 13, 2008 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great minds...
Didn't see your post when I posted mine, hence the redundancy.
May 13, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see that particular misconception as an outgrowth of the experience question (i.e., McCain has been around longer so he must know more). I think those numbers will change once people see Obama and McCain head-to-head in debates.
May 13, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
A tribute to the mainstream media's cover-up of McSame's inability to distinguish between Sunnis and Shiites.
By contrast (for those of you old enough to remember), consider the uproar when President Ford said that Poland wasn't under Soviet domination in 1976. In fairness, I think Ford misspoke and was trying to make the point that Poland shouldn't be under Soviet domination. McSame did not misspeak. He repeated the same statement over and over again and clearly has no clue. But, outside of the blogosphere, where is the uproar?
May 13, 2008 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is EXCELLENT News! for
Insanity with redunancy built-inMay 13, 2008 8:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Considering the same tortured logic . . . The SECOND TO THE LAST idiot standing should be Vice President. We should be arguing that McCain should choose Ron Paul . . . Hey! Gravel is still in the race! Obama NEEDS Gravel. Gravel failed way earlier and hung in there longer without hope. Choosing Clinton is Obama choosing his battering spouse just cuz she's a loser.
There are over 100 million Democrats. Any of them would be a better choice than Clinton . . . including the ditto-head-like Clinton devotee . . . gotNOlife.
May 13, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is this "change" in the sense of positive, clearly identified and achievable goals, or is this "change" in the sense of ABR (Anybody But a Republican)?
Because for the life of me I haven't been able to figure out what Obama wants to change and why, let alone how he would go about doing it. And since "change" is such a general term, I wonder if he is elected whether he and his supporters will justify anything they wish to do under the banner of a "Mandate for Change". I'd really like to see some specifics. It's like going to the hospital and the doctors telling you they're going to "change" some things inside you, and it would be really nice to know what the heck they're planning on changing exactly. I mean, I like my arms, legs and bodily organs pretty much as they are.
May 13, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
you fucking idiots:
1. it's not a national vote, it will come down to FL, PA, OH and maybe MO, NH and WV. Nobody here seems to understand that.
2. the one question none of you morons ask is, maybe the superdelegates should vote for whoever they think would make the best president? Ever think of that criterion?
3. I met some Americans in a bar last night, God what a bunch of fucking dolts. But you people are 3x more doltish, at least these clowns had the gumption and ambition to get out of the US for a change.
May 13, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where are you from, shithead?
May 13, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Academically, black children at 17 perform no better than a white 13-year old." Economist, May 10, p. 29. Considering that American children generally perform poorly compared to children in any other industrialized democracy, this is telling.
and p.30: "... studiousness is stigmatised among black children. It would be hard to imagine a more crippling cultural norm."
and " "... when the bar is lowered for black applicants to law school, they are admitted to institutions where they cannot cope."
May 13, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is your brother also your father OR your mother, your sister?
It takes generations to inbreed such stupidity . . .
May 13, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe people should read the link.
This actually has implications beyond Jackson:
"Some Clinton delegates were chosen by voters at the ballot. Others, such as Johnson, were selected in consultation with the Clinton campaign by the Maryland Democratic State Central Committee, party spokesman David Paulson said.
But Paulson said that pledged delegates are under no obligation to stick by their candidate and that Johnson is free to defect if he chooses.
"The freedom to change your mind or change your vote does exist," Paulson said. "They're not like superdelegates, but they do have this flexibility."
Obama swamped Clinton in Maryland, capturing 61 percent of the vote statewide and 79 percent of the vote in Prince George's County. Given the results in Maryland and elsewhere, Johnson said, the Maryland party would be unenthusiastic about the November election if Obama were not the nominee.
A decision by O'Malley or Mikulski to release all of Maryland's Clinton delegates could be the start of a national wave to unify behind Obama, Johnson said.
"If we do that, I think we could shift some other states and bring the race to an end," he said.
Johnson's call was rejected by some Clinton's other supporters in the state. Melissa Schwartz, a spokeswoman for Mikulski, said the Maryland senator "remains 100 percent behind Senator Clinton."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/12/AR2008051202554.html
May 13, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
aw, crap.
Wrong thread.
Apologies. (but maybe it will distract from Yilla the Racist.)
May 13, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's funny so many are balking at the Clinton/Obama ticket, when just today:
"A new USA Today/Gallup poll finds that 55% of Democrats want Sen. Barack Obama to choose Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate."
It's sad and strange to see so many of us political-junkies completely missread what the voters want. The majority of voters aren't reading TPM, nor Eschaton, nor any other blog. They're wanting to kill the GOP in November, and it seems that they think the best way is to have both powerhouses smash their machine down the throat of McCain.
May 13, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
We can finally put the canard to rest, that Obama can't win in the fall.
Hillary would make a poor choice for VP because she said stuff like, Obama can't win in the fall and he wasn't ready to be president in any case. Can't un-ring those bells.
May 13, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
time to get rid of the pollster graph (at least the republican one) on the right with mccain-obama
May 13, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the future Obama sees hope in America.
In the future McCain sees the inside lid of his coffin.
May 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife? Gotalife - where are you?! I'm worried. Is everything OK?
Please post so that I know you are safe.
May 13, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink