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Wright Gives First Interview to Bill Moyers
Jeremiah Wright had some tough words for his media detractors in an interview with Bill Moyers -- his first since YouTubes of his sermons put him in the national spotlight -- and some backhanded remarks about his friend and parishioner Barack Obama, too.
From an advance transcript of the yet-to-be-broadcast interview:
Moyers: You performed his wedding ceremony. You baptized his two children. You were, for 20 years, his spiritual counsel. He has said that. And, yet, he, in that speech at Philadelphia, had to say some hard things about you. How did those words...how did it go down with you when you heard Barack Obama say those things?
Wright: It went down very simply. He's a politician, I'm a pastor. We speak to two different audiences. And he says what he has to say as a politician. I say what I have to say as a pastor. But they're two different worlds.I do what I do. He does what politicians do. So that what happened in Philadelphia where he had to respond to the sound bytes, he responded as a politician.
Wright also had this to say about the suggestion that he is the one who has miscommunicated his message:
When something is taken like a sound bite for a political purpose and put constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public, that's not a failure to communicate. Those who are doing that are communicating exactly what they want to do, which is to paint me as some sort of fanatic or as the learned journalist from the New York Times called me, a "wackadoodle."
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Eric, how in the hell did you get "some backhanded remarks about his friend and parishioner Barack Obama, too" from the quote below?
I don't read this as a backhanded remark at Senator Obama.
April 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't "politician" a four-letter word?
April 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is the word 'politician' a four-letter word? It's what Obama is, it's what Clinton is, and it describes their profession.
April 24, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right (no pun intended). But the only way Eric can say this was "backhanded" is by assuming the word "politician" is a dig.
As for the "meat" of this story - while I'm glad Wright is out there and I think talking to Bill Moyers is probably the best person to talk to (hey, maybe it'll make other people aware of him!), I also know what kind of hay is going to be made of this. Such as Eric's "backhanded" interpretation of the remarks, regardless of the context.
Funny, being that's the subject of the piece...
April 24, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Their profession is the law.
Constitutionally speaking, we are not supposed to be governed by people who are professional politicians, as in say a Politburo system, but by our fellow citizens. In a Republic there is not properly a profession called "politician" -- merely an activity.
April 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I PROMISE I WON'T SAY ANYTHING STUPID
I'm not even going to mention the crap the U.S. Govt. is putting in school lunch milk that makes AA male's walk out on their children. So shut up Hannity.
Sincerely Hating AmeriKKKa
Rev Wright
April 24, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
WTF??????
April 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
All TPM has to do is place a little race bait near the sewers and all the Aryan Nation Sewer Rats coming rushing to the feast that has been set for them.
Watch Sewer Rat RenStimpy gorge himself.
April 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
DEAR liam
Are you staring at my pee pee?
You can expect a visit from your local chapter of the KKK you liddle poof.
Sincerely
Nathan Bedford Forest
April 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Such ignorance. Item 3 of the Black Value System is "Commitment to the Black Family."
April 24, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
flufferwink: Rev. Wright was asked about the hard things Sen. Obama said about Wright. Wright says that he said the hard things because he's a politician. Common interpretation would be that Obama didn't mean the hard things - he just said them because he had to as a politician.
Also factor in overwhelming public perceptions of "politician" and "pastor" - the former says what he needs to to get elected and the latter says (what he believes to be) spiritual truths.
Maybe "backhanded" isn't the PERFECT word. Maybe "somewhat damning" would have been better. (Especially because Obama has positioned himself as different from "politic(ian)s as usual.")
April 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hard things like, "I could no more disown the man than I could disown my own grandmother." Barack really tore his paster a new a-hole there, didn't he?
Given the context, I think that Obama has stood by Reverend Wright when he could have easily disowned him - was probably expected to disown him - would have been politically expedient to disown him. But he didn't. In my mine, that's not your typical politician.
April 24, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lest we forget.
April 24, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's possible Rev. Wright didn't mean the remarks equivocally, I'd have to hear the tone of voice, but they certainly can be read equivocally, and there's no doubt there's an opportunity the right could jump on, as "responded as a politician" could be translated into something that roughly interprets the words as meaning "responded as a phoney out for votes." Compare the difference: "he responded as a public figure." So no. I don't think this sounds very good, politician is for sure a term that tends to the pejorative and I don't exactly blame the old man. Obama couldn't defend him as forcefully as the old man might've liked without fanning the racist bigot flames, and I imagine he's still waiting to be forcefully defended, in this country that is in total denial about any of its sins. As Cohen pointed out in the NY Times recently, we have a holocaust museum in Atlanta but no equivalent museum when it comes the history of slavery and segregation that is our own national shame.
April 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because Eric's in the tank for Hillary.
April 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
In 'bot speak: Anything remotely resembling the truth about The Dear Leader or one of his lunatic fringe cronies is de facto proof that the speaker is pro-Clinton.
April 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The truth?!
Have you seen the interview? How do you know that this itty bitty excerpt that Eric has posted is The Truth?
Eric, how is this a different presentation of Rev. Wright than the spliced and diced version Hannity and Faux Noise have presented in the past? A few lines excerpted out of a whole interview and some glitzy interpretives added by Eric and we have the Full Wright?
Puhleeeeez!!!
April 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
All TPM has to do is place a little race bait near the sewers and all the Aryan Nation Sewer Rats coming rushing to the feast that has been set for them.
Watch Sewer Rat EastWest gorge himself.
April 24, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any link to the full transcript? This should be quite interesting.
April 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah, Eric only picked out the parts for us that might sound controversial. That's how it works with Rev. Wright - didn't you know?
April 24, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. I think it will be zero percent interesting. Wright will probably say something that's open to interpretation -- look, he already has -- and Obama's enemies (including Hillary) will take it up as "proof" that Obama is a communist, or hates white people, or something absurd along those lines. This will prove only their own mental poverty and soulless contempt for the American people. But it will fill the news for three days and will linger in traces until November or, if Obama becomes president, until 2017. I'm already bored just thinking about it.
April 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen and good for you for telling it like it is. Keep speaking Truth to Power, Rev Wright - like you have your whole life.
April 24, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD !
I thought when I built my $1.8 million dollar mansion with church donations in this 98% "white rich folks" neighborhood we could hold that percentage until at least the shingles got nailed down but now this Vietnamese family moved in down the street and we're closing in on 97.78%! I'm getting a rotweiller!
Sincerely Mad at AmeriKKKa
Rev Wright
REMEMBER: Donate your spare "Change We Can Believe In" to ease the suffering of Harvard student loan deadbeats!
April 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I seriously wonder what the point of logging in to make comments at TPM is when jerks like this guy can post whatever garbage they want all day.
April 24, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your ok with his racist remarks? How do you justify those statements in the context of him being a Pastor.
April 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't he just acknowledging the particular pressure Obama is under?
I don't think there is a bit of animosity there. Rev Wright has said often enough that he loves Barack Obama and believes in him.
And I believe that.
April 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am going to protest this one, Greg.
I do not believe that was backhanded and I rather wish you'd retract that or make it clear that it's your opinion.
April 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Erik, I mean - sorry.
I am protesting this one, Erik, not Greg.
April 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric's a lot snarkier than Greg in his posts. It's clear from his posts that he has a certain bias towards Clinton.
April 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed.
April 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do think that Greg has been beaten up unfairly for some of his blog posts. However, the main issue behind the criticism of Greg is that the writers here repeat right-wing talking points or talking points that aren't logical without a given sense of skepticism or investigation into their veracity. Repeating the talking points or accepting a media narrative without question brings these criticism forth from the commentators here.
April 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not bias, just echo-chamber mentality. Too much Politico.
April 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Politico politico politico politico True. But there is good reverb in here. OM!
April 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
♪Bomb, bomb, bomb♪
♪bomb, bomb Iran.♪
There is reverb!
April 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a shame that the truth is so inconvient. You guys are twisting yourselves into knots trying to justify the unjustifiable, and to make yourselves believe that Obama lying for political reasons is somehow better than anybody else lying for political reasons.
Sad, really.
April 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wright should do Barack a favor and be quiet.
April 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you do us a favor and shut up?
April 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say thats not very lawyerly talk young lady.
April 24, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Snot.
April 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want to see the whole interview before I make up my mind, but I have to say, at this point: this may be the first time I'm agreeing with you on something primary-related, Louisville.
April 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
less is more.
April 24, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone interview Hagee?
April 24, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ruh Roh!
How did he get out of the broom closet with Sharpton and JJ Jr?
April 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's a man of god who says what he thinks. Obama can't control him or shut him up.
April 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Especially if Clinton and the GOP can continue to try to make him an issue, and make Obama guilty by association, eh Billy?
April 24, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry bout the OT, but obama gets another super:
April 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's been posted here today before in the comments.
April 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've posted a link to this video before but this Catholic priest offers an excellent defense of his friend Rev. Wright from silly questions by an O'Reilly ambush reporter.
Reverend Wright seems to be a decent fellow and has done more for his community than most of his critics.
Good for Wright. Good for Obama. They've both made the best out of a terrible pack of scurrilous lies and innuendo.
April 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love that video -- thanks for posting it. As he says, one could make Jesus look like a whack job with selective editing and looping.
April 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus WAS a bit of a wack job, if he existed at all.
April 24, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
And, were he around today, republicans would have him executed or sent to Gitmo if they could. What flagpin would Jesus wear?
April 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
God, thank you so much for this link. I'm a totally lapsed Catholic but this guy reminds me that there was, and apparently still is, an activist politically engaged segment within the Catholic Church. It's the best defense of Wright I've seen. This guy would not let that Fox douchebag talk him down.
April 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man I hate Fox news. Thank god I gave up on cable news (and Network news for that matter). Watching only the News Hour on PBS has done wonders for my intellect and my blood pressure.
April 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those who are doing that are communicating exactly what they want to do
Pretty much nailed it.
I disagree with the criticism above. I think that the phrase "He says what he has to say as a politician" is going to be taken out of context by Obama opponents, and twisted into:
"Even Obama's pastor says Obama will way whatever he has to!!@#!!! Obama is a phony!!! Even his pastor thinks so!!!"
So I think it is a backhanded comment. And let's be real, people: politicians don't exactly have a good reputation. They're probably viewed as more trustworthy than lawyers, real estate agents, and mechanics by the general public, but not by much, I'd guess.
April 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we'll need to wait for the broadcast to know whether that was backhanded or not. The words themselves are neutral. Wright is just describing reality when he says they're operating in two different worlds.
Of course, reality has a well-known pro-Obama bias. ;-)
April 24, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. That's why it's silly to make assumptions about comments in a television broadcast that hasn't even been released yet. Shoddy journalism again, in interpreting context.
April 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, but I still maintain that Erik is making an assumption here and I disagree with it totally.
I'm sure Wright has been hurt, but I'm also sure that he feels badly that Obama has been hurt by all of this.
And furthermore, given how outspoken and fearless Rev Wright is, if he had a beef with Obama he'd be upfront about it.
April 24, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually think that, perhaps counterintuitively, the more Wright can be out talking to the press, the better. He was initially defined largely by forces with electoral and/or pecuniary interests in conjuring up a scary black enraged boogey man -- an ancient and powerful archetype in America -- with little pushback from an Obama campaign torn between correcting the record and not wanting to add oxygen to the story.
Wright isn't nearly as whacky as the caricature that has emerged when only a few soundbites were shown. His military service and the social services his church has provided are unquestionably impressive. And if he rags on Obama a bit, that too might actually be helpful to Obama.
The whole brouhaha was a stupid, unfair controversy that drew on awful racial stereotyping. Some more sunlight will make it less problematic -- and more boring.
April 24, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes yes yes
I could not agree more. What drive hatred is fear. What drives fear is ignorance.
The more people know the better.
April 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The connection between lack of information and prejudice is most evident with respect to anti-gay prejudice. Exposure to flesh and blood gay neighbors or coworkers, gay friends of children, changes minds efficiently.
April 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes!
That's why the first gays and lesbians who came in numbers are such heroes.
Once people starting living their lives openly, it was like people suddenly thought "o snap!what changed between when I didn't know he was gay and when I did? Well nothing, it's still my brother, sister, best friend, cousin, nephew, niece, uncle, co-worker, whatever."
Almost everyone not brainwashed by the RR or just too mental to be rational gets it now. I really believe that.
April 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes! Yes! Yes! Oh, my God Yes! Just keep saying things you want to hear! Yes!
April 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It must be of no small concern to Obama that Wright is speaking out again. And his remarks that Obama was simply speaking as a politician don't help Obama's message.
Actually this is the second time that I'm aware of in which Wright has spoken to the press since being silenced by Obama's PR manager. And again on sees the resentful side of the good Reverend. It doesn't tend to refute what we saw in those angry sound bites he is trying to minimize.
April 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope for your sake that you aren't an umpire for a living (or any other profession that requires precise vision).
April 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Wright and Bill Clinton could be friends. Neither one of them likes taking shit about what they say and do. I don't blame them. Obama and Axelrod have done Obama more damage philosophizing about working class white voters thand Wright has ever done.
April 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, Billy ... Bill Clinton and Rev. Wright are friends:
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/bill_clinton_rev_jeremiah_wrig.html
Those who throw stones...
April 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The link is to a White House photograph. I know of no evidence that Wright and Clinton were "friends".
It's so great being Barack Obama. Other people exist solely to make your life easier.
April 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's as tenuous as Obama's supposed "links" to 60's Weatherman William Ayers, which your camp is trying to bludgeon the public with. My post stands as is.
April 24, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons, always there when they need you.
April 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where was a stone thrown !?
April 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps I should have said, "those who live in glass houses..." Feel better?
April 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder when the Moyers interview is going to air.
April 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
this Friday.
April 24, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Friday, 4/25/08
April 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Friday.
April 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hahaha. I swear those weren't there when I clicked reply.
Echo, echo, echo, echo.....
April 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Otto is spouting sweeping generalizations based on 15 seconds worth of transcript.
No one could have anticipated that!
April 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Otto thinks something makes Obama look bad: Film at 11"
April 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
He followed Eric's lead on this one. Again, shoddy journalism.
April 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, we're ALL speculating based upon the two passages published!
April 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm actually offering up no judgment whatsoever on the two passages. I think that's the responsible thing to do.
April 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, hR, but you DID judge Otto for speculating when numerous others here were speculating from a different perspective. (Ah, but maybe Otto has a different history from the other speculators?)
April 24, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Judging Otto is different than judging the content of these two passages.
April 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Erik can make judgments about what is meant there, I feel free to assume the exact opposite.
April 24, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena,
Try moving up one size in your panties. This will allow more oxygen to migrate to your brain.
Worked for me!
Sincerely
Maureen Dowd!
REMEMBER: Donate all that spare "Change We Can Believe In" to help ease the suffering of Harvard student loan deadbeats.
April 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are as offensive as your avatar.
April 24, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
THANK YOU, I WAS BEGGING FOR THAT
Now stop filling my voice mail with your crying jags. I never even met your mother.
Sincerely
Rev Meeks
April 24, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
True. But I look at it this way - how do I know when I'm scoring hits on people and getting read?
When pipsqueaks like this start trolling me.
April 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
IT'S NOT TROLLING IT'S STALKING
Here's the difference. Remember what you did last time I guy got up and walked out on you on a date? The restraining order you were served wasn't about "trolling".
Sincerely
P. Fitzgerald
HOPE for "Change We Can Believe In" so our kids can afford private piano lessons! B. Obama
April 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena,
The Republican's got a crush on you.
April 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, I agree with you. What's up, Eric? How is Wright's statement "backhanded"? Have you seen or read the entire interview? Have you heard Wright's tone of voice before making the decision that his comments were somehow disparaging of Obama? Why do you and Greg insist on making value judgment editorial comments in your posts? Can't you just report and let us make our assumptions and judgments? Certainly you can't be surprised when people here push back.
As for Rev. Wright, all I can say is Amen. It's about time he pushed back against these ridiculous character assassinations. And I trust Bill Moyer - he'll be fair and respectful. Can't wait to see the interview.
April 24, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look below, Carol, to see what people who are not of good intentions can do with the comments.
April 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, that's some serious mental illness. I find him(her) frankly pathetic and worthy only of pity. Pretty pathetic attempts at humor, I must say.
April 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
CAROL STOP IMPERSONATING ME!
This Karl Rove in drag gag is making us both look goofy. Do a Tena Goes Hormonalacidal or a Bionic Soy "she hate me" impersonation before you over saturate the Clinton trolls and drive them back to HuffPost.
Sincerely
K. Rove
April 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mila/Millo Buggeroff with new nym and avatar.
April 24, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
We should be talking about Sen. Barack Oilbama continued accepting donations from oil company executives and employees last month even as he aired ads in which he stated he took no oil company money, his campaign finance reports show.
Lie after Lie after Lie.
April 24, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes and is against a gas sales tax holiday.
Bought and paid for.
April 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, those contributions were directed by the board of director or PAC for those oil companies with a wink and nod. Or, the people that donate money to him have jobs, including, shockingly, working for oil companies. You can't know the answer without interviewing every person. Did you? My guess is no. Just adopting the position that best fits with your view about Senator Obama/Senator Clinton. Facts or lack thereof, be damned.
I swear. Politics just makes people fucking dumb.
April 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, he admits Obama is just another lying politician.
Who da thunk it?
April 24, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
He does what politicians do. So that what happened in Philadelphia where he had to respond to the sound bytes, he responded as a politician.
Priceless! Obama's own pastor and friend of 20 years calls him a liar!!!
This will be fantastic for soundbites and commercials!
Can anyone recall any other candidate facing such a charge from their own pastor?! I don't think so.
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 24, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
We tried to tell them but they drank the kool aid.
April 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess you drank a bit too much of the Crown Royal, the People's Drink.
April 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pal, you need to extract your head from your rectum. Didn't see one word or implication about dishonesty on Obama's part.
I wonder Clinton's "pastor" think about her credibility.
April 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? I guess Hillary's "honesty" factor must be pretty high, huh?
and
Looks like Mrs. Clinton has some credibility issues in upcoming primaries, doesn't she?
Full link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20080405/pl_cq_politics/politics2698315
April 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton has apologized for her lie about Bosnia. That is more than can be said for Obama. I've yet to hear a single apology from him about anything.
Lies are bad but even worse are for candidates to refuse to admit them and apologize. This is a character flaw, even if simply arrogance, that will doom Obama.
BTW, Clinton gets a bad rap through accusations that often can be traced to anti-Clinton hate and propaganda. Most claims don't stand scrutiny is old news anyway. There is a thriving industry out there in trashing Clinton, it is too bad Obama and The Obama Cult has bought into it. Then again, I guess any distraction from Obama's serious character problems is better than none.
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 24, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very funny, but your candidate only "apologized" for Bosnia (if you can call her tortured explanation during the debate an apology) after weeks of denying that she lied (using the word "misspoke" and blaming it on fatigue and saying she only said it once - all lies). She is the worst offender when it comes to never backing down when she's caught red-handed until backed into a corner. Everything she does is for political expediency - she learned from the master (her darling husband).
April 24, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least he called the lie a lie.
April 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol, his candidate is not Hillary Clinton, it's John McCain, but he wishes it could have been Pat Buchanon or Ron Paul. The virulent anti-Obamatons are all wingnut trolls.
April 25, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please point me to that apology. All she did was shrug her shoulders and say she misspoke.
Although I certainly agree with the statement that "Lies are bad but even worse are for candidates to refuse to admit them and apologize."
April 24, 2008 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love that video. He's obviously an old school Christian Liberation Theology Catholic. Catholic priests have practically pioneered Christian Liberation Theology in places like El Salvador.
Someone the other pointed out that a lot of what is going on here is not about Rev Wright - it's about dissent. Dissent is under attack and has been really hard for at least 8 years.
And any Democrat or anyone who claims to be a Democrat or a Libertarian better wake the hell up about what is really going on here.
Instead of being all smug and racist about it - you better start worrying about when they come for you. I'm as serious as a heart attack.
April 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is until the Vatican muzzled them back when Benedict XVI was Joe Ratzinger. Power doesn't really like dissent (even though Jesus was a political radical).
April 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes - true. The Catholic church has gotten very reactionary.
I'm not a fan, at all - but I do know the good things that Christian Liberation Theology Catholic priests have done - hell they've died for what they believe in.
April 24, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also priceless, The Obama Cult, nuancing the statement as not meaning what it clearly says. Back to the definition of "is". This is getting old, why don't you all admit that the Dear Leader has lied and is lying? Or, does misstate, omitted, badly worded, or poor choice of words make it easier to stomach?
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you realize how foolish and ridiculous you sound when you use a Bill Clinton sound byte to try and make your point (i.e., "it depends on what the definition of "is" is)? The irony is just sometimes too much to handle, really.
April 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is? As in blue dress?
April 24, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
All TPM has to do is place a little race bait near the sewers and all the Aryan Nation Sewer Rats coming rushing to the feast that has been set for them.
April 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Liam, were you born stupid? When the FUCK did anybody but you bring race into this? Is this what your Dear Leader stands for? Is he such a weak, chump-ass candidate that the only thing you 'bots can do is bring up race anytime things don't go your way?
Losers.
Children.
Chumps.
April 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, I've gotten really tired of responding to the racist and derogatory rants of so many Obama supporters. While they might play bully with their insults, do they really think it adds anything constructive to the conversation, except to tar them and their candidate?
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 24, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
What happened to being the Candidate about Change?
Why the politician Obama just another liar?
Say it ain't so Rev Wright.
Sen. Barack Oilbama continued accepting donations from oil company executives and employees last month even as he aired ads in which he stated he took no oil company money, his campaign finance reports show.
April 24, 2008 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
He takes no money from PACs and lobbyists. He takes money from individuals who support him.
There was a great blog entry from one of the oil company executive "bundlers," but I've forgotten his name. He and his wife are active in politics and philanthropy and know rather a lot of rich people. He described the fundraiser he held for Obama, and it included local doctors and lawyers and people from all sorts of industries who are interested in progressive causes. He said he thought he was probably the only oil guy there.
That kind of support is far, far different from a company PAC or lobbyist.
April 24, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
All TPM has to do is place a little race bait near the sewers and all the Aryan Nation Sewer Rats coming rushing to the feast that has been set for them.
Watch Sewer Rat dembillc gorge himself.
April 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, this place is getting such a bad threadlice infestation that it is really getting irksome.
April 24, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
MAKES ME WANT TO TAKE A SHOWER!
How about my place in an hour? Don't forget to bring the pesticide and that DVD that get's you in the mood!
Sincerely
D. Axelrod
April 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
All TPM has to do is place a little race bait near the sewers and all the Aryan Nation Sewer Rats coming rushing to the feast that has been set for them.
Watch Sewer Rat RenStimpy gorge himself.
April 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
THE REPORT IS IN
Sorry liam but our research indicates that none of your parents children lived.
Sincerely
Maury Povich
April 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you trolls need to get a grip, put down the kool aid and get real.
Clinton is the obvious choice.
April 24, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one, gotalife! I love how you impersonate a Clinton supporter. I'm not sure the others posting here get you, though. You seem to be taking a lot of crap from folks.
April 24, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are the trolls now.
April 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
An admission of trollhood. "Who da thunk it?"
April 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes I almost believe you're a Clinton supporter. Damn, you're good man. You're good.
April 24, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Hillary supporter, I find brown people interesting, but scary!
April 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah...Maybe I can see how that comment can be considered a little 'backhanded'. But, maybe it's more of a commentary directed at politicians in general and the state of our political discourse than towards Obama himself.
Suppose the best thing is to watch the interview - ought to be rather interesting. Then kick back and watch the SPIN!
April 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course this will be spun.
Its whatever to me. Im not hearing anything new from the Trolls that come on this site, and every other site. And nothing new from the Spin machines.
I'm a little over it.
April 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The operative phrase:
"I do what I do. He does what politicians do. So that what happened in Philadelphia where he had to respond to the sound bytes, he responded as a politician."
Since all on this blog follow only the best of politicians and preachers with best of ideals, what is the problem here? ( Bush & Rove fans are excluded from this definition)
April 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should never have denounced Farrakhan in the Los Angeles debate. He should responded that he is not in the denunciation business. He's been paying for it ever since. Next it was Reverend Wright. Who's next, Jay-Z? Obama in some ways brought this on himself.
April 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you suggesting that his denounciations are lies? If so, I would generally agree. It is clearly an increasing problem for him to keep them all straight. So many lies, so many people he's had to denounce for political expediency...
The candidate of hope and change is now, by his own pastor's observation, just a lying politician.
Priceless!
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
All TPM has to do is place a little race bait near the sewers and all the Aryan Nation Sewer Rats coming rushing to the feast that has been set for them.
Watch Sewer Rat Weaver gorge himself.
April 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not addressing the veracity of his denunciations so much as how his original denunciation of Farrakhan played into the (quite predictable) tactics of his detractors and led to requests for more denunciations. As an African-American he can hardly have been unfamiliar with this trap.
I won't address your characterization of Wright's views of Obama, which is just silly.
April 24, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lanny Davis, you sly devil, you have so many avatars!
April 24, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given the Rev. Wright's current reputation, denouncing Barack Obama is probably the biggest favor he could do for him.
April 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is- and always should have been- such a non-issue. Comb through enough footage of someone speaking, and selectively edited into soundbites, EVERYONE is going to say something which could potentially be spun negatively.
I don't ever recall the Rev. Wright comments being played as more than the infamous three words, but contingent upon context, they could be taken so very differently:
"There are people out there today who hate us for what we are, and what we represent, who might pray, 'God damn America' and hope to see our destruction at the hand of the Divine."
parses very differently than something like
"Looking at the Levitical guidelines and the sin of our nation, it would be easy to say, 'God damn America'."
Personally, I think the proper framing for those three words should be something like "Sen. McCain has some vocal support from the fringes of religious extremism, who would attribute the devastation of the Louisiana and Mississippi Gulf coasts by Hurricane Katrina to a judgment from God because of a concentration of homosexuals in New Orleans. It is a perversion of the teachings of the gentle Nazarene rabbi to dare say in such a way, 'God damn America', and would be much more true to the spirit of his teachings to ask that God extend his grace to those in need of it, and bless those who act with compassion rather than pointing fingers of condemnation."
April 24, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great Mitchell at HuffPost has more.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/excerpts-from-rev-wright_b_98433.html
Excerpt:
BILL MOYERS: What do you think they wanted to communicate?
REVEREND WRIGHT: I think they wanted to communicate that I am unpatriotic, that I am un-American, that I am filled with hate speech, that I have a cult at Trinity United Church of Christ. And by the way, guess who goes to his church, hint, hint, hint? That's what they wanted to communicate.
They know nothing about the church. They know nothing about our prison ministry. They know nothing about our food ministry. They know nothing about our senior citizens home. They know nothing about all we try to do as a church and have tried to do, and still continue to do as a church that believes what Martin Marty said, that the two worlds have to be together. And that the gospel of Jesus Christ has to speak to those worlds, not only in terms of the preached message on a Sunday morning but in terms of the lived-out ministry throughout the week.
April 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
NOW IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME...
I need to get back to my $1.8 million dollar mansion in a 98% "white rich folks" neighborhood and make sure those Mexicans get the damn Tuscan tiles installed right this time.
Rev Wright
p.s. Make sure my man does not have to HOPE that you spare some "Change We Can Believe In" for his kids piano lessons.
April 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
ewwww! It's Millo Buggeroff.
April 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matt, I took it as a dig at Obama, and don't think I would have needed any prompting from Eric.
April 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on!
http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/04/hill_on_brinks_radical_i_didnt.html
April 24, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, she's responsible for the "good stuff" in the 90s but out of the loop on anything that makes her less electable today.
I guess her great "experience" doesn't include pardon or commutation discussions.
April 24, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Wright really did a number on Obama, not by the words on the sound bytes, but by retreating and not standing up for *himself*. Obama had to defend himself by distancing himself from the *caricature* of Wright, not the actual person. Had Wright stepped up and explained himself and his own viewpoints on national TV, that would have blunted the damage.
But Wright all but abandoned Obama to do all the damage control for the mess Wright caused. Wright could have said, "Obama was definitely not there when I gave that sermon," and he could have said, "Maybe I went overboard, but let me explain what the message actually was," or "as a former Marine, I served this country and still love this country."
But he ran off and disappeared for months. For that, I'm really pissed at him.
April 24, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think he hurt Obama by disappearing for a while. Part of Obama's message was that Wright had retired. This seems perfectly timed, and done with a solid interviewer.
April 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do recall hearing that Obama's campaign asked him to refrain from the limelight until Obama could address the issue.
April 24, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will listen to criticism of Rev. Wright from those who have served their country as he has.
Inspired by President John F. Kennedy’s challenge, Wright gave up his student deferment and joined the U.S. Marine Corps. In 1963, after two years of service, he entered the Corpsman School and graduated valedictorian and was trained as a cardiopulmonary technician at Bethesda Naval Medical Center, where he graduated as salutatorian. He was selected to be part of the medical team caring for President Johnson following his surgery in 1966. Before leaving the position in 1967, the White House awarded Wright three letters of commendation. (summarized from Wikipedia)
April 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
What Obama Could Have Said About His Pastor
Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a True Patriot
By LAWRENCE KORB and IAN MOSS
In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy's challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)
The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation. What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.
While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.
Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?
After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America's biggest cities.__This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades.
Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him. We've seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wright's many sermons. Some of the Wright's comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling This him "unpatriotic," let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country.
How many of Wright's detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many. While words do count, so do actions. Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.
Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.
This piece ran in the Chicago Tribune on April 3, 2008.
April 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um -- Clinton never apologized about the lie about Bosnia. She said, I was tired, I misspoke, I made a mistake. What a bunch of non-sense. It was not a matter of "I said "we were under sniper fire" when I mean to say "we wonder if there was a flat tire."
As to Wright, I can't blame him for being unhappy. First, the media takes a few statements he made, which on their face are offensive, and presents it as if it is the only thing he has ever said. Wright has said a lot of things, much of it very inspirational, and done lots of good works. Unlike most of the chicken hawk know it alls who talk about patriotism, he actually served his country in the military. He ain't perfect, but he's not a wackadoodle. He's a good man, a good pastor, who has run a good church that does lots for people in need and helps people make sense of their lives in a broken world.
Second, Wright said these things, not Obama. Now, Rendell can praise Farakahan, and nobody asks Clinton about it. Haggee can call the Catholic Church a whore, and nobdoy questions McCain about it. But a black politicans pastor says something off the wall, or Louis Farrakhan says something nice about a black politican, and the black politican is accountable for those words. Seems to me as if both Obama and Wright have been wronged here.
April 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, the Clintons invited him back in the late 90s to sort out their marital differences. Now there's turnaround, I'd say.
April 24, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is until the Vatican muzzled them back when Benedict XVI was Joe Ratzinger. Power doesn't really like dissent (even though Jesus was a political radical).
This is straight of the The Grand On the Nature of Man
I think I remember in Dostoevky's exceprt of The Brother's Karamazov, The Grand Inquistor Christ returned and the Church had to threw him in prison because the Church had didn't want to loose control of the people. It was the most fascinating reading of the role of Churches in lives of its' followers.
April 24, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink