Updates On The Clintons' Tax Returns
Here are some nuggets that have been ferreted out of Bill and Hillary's 2000-2006 tax returns, which were released yesterday:
* Their $10 million in charitable contributions all went to a family foundation run by the Clintons, and it has given away roughly half the money they sank into it.
* Some folks are wondering what Bill Clinton did to earn $15 million from billionaire Ron Burkle's Yucaipa Companies.
* But Clinton spokesperson Jay Carson isn't saying whether Bill did any work for Dubai, whose ruler is a Yucaipa investor.
* Many of the wealthy donors who bankrolled both Clintons' White House bids frequently pop up in the returns, suggesting lots of cross-over between the political and private sector realms the Clintons move in.
* The returns show that the Clintons' combined income increased by an astonishing 50 times in the first year after Bill left office, highlighting the money-making opportunities awaiting presidents after they leave office.
* Bill's advance on his autobiography was higher than previously thought, checking in at $15 million.
* Here's what the Clintons made last year:
Sen. Clinton's salary $150,200Sen. Clinton's book royalties $152,864
President Clinton's pension $186,600
President Clinton's book income $4,434,446
President Clinton's speeches $10,145,000
Partnership income $2,750,000
Adviser income from InfoUSA $400,000
Income from savings accounts $485,000
Investment income from Blind Trust $3,515,000
That partnership income apparently comes from Burkle again.
* And finally, Hillary says that the returns show that Bill made all that cash "doing what he loves doing most -- talking to people."















Here's what Harry Truman had to say about making money after being the POTUS:
http://www.c-span.org/presidentiallibraries/president.aspx?ID=33&Program=TV#Player
April 5, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, words do matter. Especially income-wise for The Clintons.
April 5, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Surprisingly, just minutes before TPM's post on the tax returns, I added my own on TPM:
Let's talk tax returns
As I shared their, I think the real comparison is that 1) Obama has yet to release his 2007 returns or data and 2) that the Obama's do not walk the talk on their charitable giving. I found it informative that my wife and I have a solid record of more charitable giving in percentage or in actual dollars than has been seen in Obama's past. I suspect that may be true of many readers here at TPM.
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 5, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
And what, exactly, is the relevance to the Presidential campaign (besides voyeurism and, in your case, moral preening) of either candidate's charitable giving?
April 5, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since when has Weaver been hindered by a little thing like relevance?
April 5, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton has yet to release her 2007 returns as well. Thanks for playing.
April 5, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another fine performance from Weaver. The new avatar is certainly designed to stir up emotions - a bold move designed to distract from the intellectual dishonesty his postings are so replete with. Will it win him the love and attention of TPM Readers? Only time will tell.
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April 5, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yah Matt,the Obamas just payed off their school loans last year...they're freakin' loaded. What's irrational to me about your comment is that the Clinton's taxes and lack of transparency have nothing to do with Obama and his record.
And another thing.. I guess graduating from Harvard and taking a major pay cut to work in community activism is not charity at all..right???Sure as hell beats working as a corporate lawyer for Walmart IMO.
Don't get me wrong,I commend the Clintons for giving 10 million to charity.That doesn't mean I want them back in the WH. B Clinton has been doing great things with world poverty and such.Great..let him keep on doing that. I'm tired of having to dig to find out what my government is really up to.Hillary did not invent google for government,Obama did.Google it!
And BTW...What EXACTLY is your problem with Obama?
Just because people have legitimate concerns about Hillary does not mean you get to bash Obama for no good reason except pride and ego(as far as I'm concerned)Oh yeah,well,my candidate can beat up your candidate...paleeze...get out of the sandbox.
April 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK. So now Obama can tell us exactly what the Clintons were hiding.
gribit...... gribit......
April 5, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
All in good time, my friend. All in good time.
Dropping their tax info on Friday delays the analysis, but it doesn't mean there's no analysis to be done.
God willing, there's nothing there and we can talk about the issues. I hope that the only reason that they sat on them for so many years was because they were concerned that $109,000,000.00 made them sound out of touch with the Blue Collar America that they understand so well.
But already the first troubling accusation is coming out of the tax returns.
When Hillary came out about a year or so ago voicing so patriotically that the US shouldn't allow Dubai to control our port security (which she was right to do), was she aware that her family was profiting handsomely from Dubai money?
It's issues like this, while not illegal, that point to my problem with a second Clinton Administration. The shere and utter hypocrisy and having to nail them down on every word they say, because even the definition of "is" can be questioned.
April 5, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't that an argument that she can't be bought?
April 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
No sj..to me that sounds like a whole lot of wishful thinking.
Hillary cannot keep taking credit on her resume for her years as a first lady and then say that she did not really agree with her husband.Come on..you don't think they had some pillow talk? Hillary was unable to influence her husband about issues she was sooo passionate about? Yah, like Hillary is the kind of woman that gives up on her way, I just don't buy it. Her moves seem like expert level political chess to me...completely premeditated and opportunistic.
April 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary was unable to influence her husband about issues she was sooo passionate about?
What are you saying, that Bill was in charge of the port deal in Dubai? Taking money from Dubai interests for performance of one task doesn't disqualify one from taking a position contrary to Dubai interests (perhaps not even the same ones) in another area.
April 5, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll bet the people from Dubai were pretty pissed.
April 5, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps.
I think it's an argument that she will say things with an accusatory wag of the finger, while her other hand is willingly accepting millions from whoever is buying influence.
April 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except that her "wagging accusation" is that Dubai shouldn't be in charge of port security, not that someone else was making money from Dubai interests. If Dubai was paying money to Bill expecting to get a little help with the port deal, they would have some grounds for complaint. We don't, unless you think the response would have been more forceful were it not for the income.
April 5, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think it delays the analysis. Reporters have been waiting on this, and the Clintons have just given them the entire weekend to ferret everything out uninterrupted. Monday could be interesting.
April 5, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clintons spent 33 million on taxes and want to pay more by eliminating the bush tax cut. 10 million to charities, transparency and this will help her campaign.
Too bad Obama supporters waste their money trying to buy the Presidency but she still wins.
Donate to charities instead like the Clintons.
April 5, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
what ARE you talking about?
if you think Clinton is going to win, could you please outline for me the method in which that happens?
seems like the people donating to the Clinton's ARE donating to charity
April 5, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama doesn't have his own charity that he runs like the Clinton's, besides it was just set up to improve their chances to win the WH.
April 5, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
10 millions to their personal "charity". Seems fishy to me.
April 5, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Giving 10% to charity is easier when you're making $100+ million than if you're making say, 2 million (just to give example figures). True story. As far as Obama's lower percentage of charitable contributions, one thing to consider is that he still has two little girls that he'll eventually be sending to college. The Clintons are at this point empty nesters (Chelsea was no longer listed as a dependent after 2002). It's a big enough consideration.
April 5, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
At an average of $96 a throw, I'd say our "buying" of the Presdency is coming pretty cheap.
April 5, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
A disappointing performance from Gotalife, lacking the gritty depth of such memorable postings as crowd favorites "No, Obama's the Racist" and "It's like they WANT to lose."
Has Dembillc's recent surge shaken the resolve of this once scrappy troll?
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April 5, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've got a life alright... gotalife..in freakin' la la land..
Clinton has a 5-10% chance of winning the nomination. Get over it. I cried for a week when Kerry lost in 2004.I respected the next JFK but it was because I just couldn't believe we re-elected the Shrub again.2006 was nice..felt great to win something for once, too bad it wasn't enough to turn the tide.
Something tells me you'll come around by Nov.Once you quit fighting so hard for what???I'm not sure.
you'll realize how blessed we are to have a man like Obama running for POTUS. Hillary will bury the hatchet..she will support Barack..just you wait and see.
April 5, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't you want to see the details of that "charitable" giving? Seems a little suspicious that it went to a "family" run charity and only half the money was dispersed. I think 10% of your income to charity is commendable, but lets see exactly who was the beneficiary of the money. Fair enough?
April 5, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, you wouldn't have a foundation for very long if you gave away more than 50% of your assets each year.
April 5, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. One reason for a foundation is to be able to extend the good work your money can do beyond your lifetime. Another is that you can direct exactly where the money goes (subject to IRS regulations).
I'm pretty sure that foundations are only required to distribute 5% of their funds annually, so they are well above that.
April 6, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
and most of that was last year, after Senator Clinton declared her candidacy...
April 5, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, no. The biggest giving year so far for the Clintons was 2004.
April 5, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. It was this past year.
April 6, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, if you're talking about the foundation itself, there's going to be a limited amount of giving, especially in the early years, if you're trying to create a institution with an indefinite lifespan. The IRS requires foundations, however, to donate a certain percentage of their corpus each year or face penalties. The CFF more than met that percentage in each year of its existence.
April 7, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Im confused as to why there was so much resistance in the Clinton campaign against releasing these for so long. Other than perhaps the amount they made there doesnt seem to be anything terribly incriminating here.
Why let obama make political hay over them if there really was nothing to hide? And why put up such a fight which only served to make their actual release a much bigger event. Had she done this back in November hardly anyone would have noticed and it would have been a 1 day story. Seems like a poor choice on the part of the Clinton's and their strategists.
April 5, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I agree that there doesn't seem to be a lot to look at (in terms of chicanery that is, obvioulsy there's a lot of income to look at). My only thought is that given the trouble Clinton campaign has had with fund raising from small donors, perhaps the Clintons felt that their income would just exacerbate that issue. Maybe.
April 5, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say that there is a lot to be looked at with regard to Burkle and Yucaipa.
Just for starters, it would be interesting to know how many shares of stock Yucaipa owned of Safeway and Kroger during the 2003 grocery store chain strike in California. The chains feared that they couldn't compete against Wal-Mart superstores, After a 141 day strike, the grocery chains got what they wanted, a 2-tier salary structure, where newer hires got lower wages and fewer benefits.
If Yucaipa owned significant stock, if Burkle was on the board of these companies at the time, it could hurt Clinton.
A little interesting side note is that Yucaipa hired Jesse Jackson as an advisor also.
April 5, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the topline. That's not going to be popular with blue collar workers, and it really starkly highlight the absurdity of Hillary's "night shift" kind of schtick.
April 5, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
One possibility is that the Clintons wanted to preserve their privacy unless Hillary was the nominee. Her original plan was to release the returns after she was nominated. After Obama released his returns, and with Hillary being behind, delaying the release until afterwards became unviable.
April 6, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
All this makes one nostalgic for those simpler Walmart days.
April 5, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Donate to charities instead like the Clintons."
Even better: Donate to your own charity to avoid taxes!
Meanwhile the working class suckers have to pay their taxes.
April 5, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love that the Hillary trolls are out in full force this morning, touting Hillary's charitable contributions. I'm going to say this slowly in the hopes you'll be able to comprehend it: The. Contributions. Were. Made. To. The. Clintons'. Own. Charity.
And of that $10 million given by the Clintons, only $5 million has been given away. Where is the other $5 million? And has anyone ever done a specific analysis of what the Clinton Foundation actually accomplishes, charity-wise?
There's a reason the Clintons did this on a Friday, a week ahead of their own self-imposed deadline: It's called taking out the trash. Release something heading into the weekend and hope it gets buried.
April 5, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what if it's their own charity? Most of us would like to be able to have the kind of control over how our charitable donations are spent that having one's own foundation enables. The best most of us can do is to give to a local entity, such as our church, in which we do have a real voice. As far as only giving away half of what is donated, when you're building a foundation, you're working on establishing sufficient principal that the foundation becomes self sustaining after you're no longer around to donate capital.
April 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
And where is the 20 million or so that is unaccounted for in the tax summary? Do the math, it won't take but a few seconds, and it's very weird. They still paid an AWFULLY high tax rate, however (the kind that we who don't have sheltered investments and enromous deductions pay). I've seen some high roller returns and ten percent or even a lot less is the norm. So this perplexes me. Any thoughts out there?
April 5, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee. Makes the Obamas look poor. And generous.
April 5, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It now becomes crystal clear why the Clintons have been so buddy-buddy with the Bushes during the past eight years and so generally quiet about the economic squalor and civil-liberties tyranny therein represented. All of that has produced a climate in which people like the Clintons make out beyond the wildest dreams that they can have had before they boarded the White House Gravy Train.
"Feeling our pain" indeed.
I have no beef with people who have or make a lot of money, merely for their making a lot of money. But when it's done by influence-peddling by virtue of the access our trust has given them, I'm afraid I'm a little irritable. So don't ask me to give you my vote for further access, okay?
April 5, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I the only one who feels, over the last couple days, their TPM life force is slowly ebbing as a rabid handful of Hillary supporters bitch and moan about everything.
I realize Obama supporters do this too, but I'm talking about 6 or 7 people here who respond to every single post saying the same things over and over.
I mean, I get it. Obama's a liar, he's a racist, he's wasting everyone's time, he's selfish, he threw his grandmother under the bus. Am I forgetting anything? Oh yeah, he's also probably going to be the nominee.
Maybe it's just that baseball season has begun, but my interest in this stuff, encapsulated perfectly in this week's inane Richardson nonsense, is waning...........
April 5, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good work Greg!
Look for increased scrutiny of the Clintons Inc financial net
April 5, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton is joking about how much money her husband made by giving speeches.
They both wrote books that sold well. Their charities helped folks after disasters but you donate to Obama in a lost cause.
All in all, the whining about her tax returns helped her.
God bless America!
April 5, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
helped her by dropping her in the polls and increasing her negatives?
You live in Bizarro America don't you?
April 5, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
In this scene, Gotalife struggles to regain some traction by dipping into unusual territory: the Honorable Nitwit Modifier. It's an unusual move for Gotalife, but given the ground he's trying to close on Dembillc, he may have very few options remaining without shifting wholeheartedly into Contrarian/Sophist Troll territory. Can he do it? TPM readers will have to wait for the next gripping episode to find out!
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April 5, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, a Dem supporting a Dem on a Dem blog is a troll.
Do you realize how stupid that is?
April 5, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
er, it that you whining again, getalife?
April 5, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a new twist, Gotalife turns the audience attention to the critic in an appeal to sentimentality. The crowd doesn't seem to concur, though it does add more weight to this otherwise uninspired effort.
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April 5, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's one example of what the foundation does:
http://www.thebody.com/content/art43562.html
Another branch of the foundation is investing 100 million over the next 10 years to address the root causes of poverty--in other words, trying to provide sustainable sources of food, sanitation, and clean water so people aren't sick and dehydrated and starving to death.
Please, please. The good that is being done here is extraordinary. I am an Obama supporter, I think Bill is behaving like a giant ass on the campaign trail, I understand there might be some favors being traded with donations to the foundation, but it's really important not to trash the work that's being done here. And I would very much like this campaign to be over soon so Bill can go back to it.
April 5, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the reviews! They're hilarious.
April 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's everybody complaining about, this is great news. Now they can reimburse the tax payers for the Starr-fellatio perjury investigation. I understand New Orleans needs a down-payment on some levees.
April 5, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes by all means lets look at the numbers-
$10,256,741 donated by Hillary and Bill Clinton
$148,394 donated by Barack and Michelle Obama
Anyone can talk a good game. But talk is cheap. Do the math for yourself. Bill and Hillary gave almost 10% of their income to charity. Barack “the Community Organizer for the Poor” and his wife donated less than 1%. This is another stark difference between the character and substance of Barack and Hillary. Hillary talks and does. Barack just talks and barely does.
April 5, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say this with all due respect: You're a fucking idiot.
April 5, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hussein, it is always good to hear one of the more articulate Obama supporters. You did not even swear which puts you in the top ten.
Although I must say responding to someones comment on a blog by providing no facts are idiotic. The Obama's donated less percentage wise than I did. And I did not have all the extra money from Rezco.
April 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, they are jealous of the Clintons.
Successful great Americans who walk the walk and help others after a disaster.
I wonder how many Obama supporters helped Katrina victims?
They are great Americans with big hearts.
God bless the Clintons.
April 5, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go read some of the replies to your fellow trolls before just parroting their same drivel.
April 5, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your numbers don't seem at all true.
If Obama was donating 148K and that was less than 1% of his income, his family would have had to make 15 million dollars. He has not.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23796726/
In 2006, his charitable donation % of his family's total income was 6%. (Combined income was under $1 million)
April 5, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're so cute! You believe exactly what Hillary wants you to believe. Adorable!
April 5, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
You might want to check the structural integrity of that soapbox before you climb up on it[link]:
Contrast that with what Warren Buffet did with his money.
April 5, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or Jimmy Carter.
April 5, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
This unexpected tag-team effort for Dembillc, recent reigning champ, and his erstwhile longtime rival Gotalife is sure to leave the TPM audience scratching their heads. Has the bitter rivalry of these Trolling Titans forged an alliance borne of bitterness and cognitive dissonance? Or has Dembillc dropped his guard, leaving an opening for Gotalife press the blade?
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April 5, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am interested in the Clintons' investments in the Quellos group.
As far as I know the only Quellos investment group registered with SEC is Quellos in Seatlle.
A high percentage of their investmetns were tax shelters andthey are featured in the 2003 and 2005 Senate reports on abusive tax shelter promotion.
April 5, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton investment was through their blind trust, which has since been dissolved.
April 5, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What are the Clintons hiding?
Hmmm.
Here's an interesting story has piqued my interest.
Sniper-Gate II: I fought the truth, and the truth lost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq5BwOujrNQ
Senator Clinton's story is debunked here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05woman.html?ex=1365134400&en=7824b4f8ea3b363d&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
And to think Hillary trolls want to know why we want to see their tax records.
Simple. They say they're not hiding anything.
They've proven themselves liars, over and over and over again.
If she can't tell the truth about NAFTA, Bosnia, FMLA, Ireland and this stump story, why should we trust her about her taxes and potential conflicts of interest or undue influence?
April 5, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gergen verified she was against NAFTA and Ireland's PM verified she was telling the truth.
Bosnia was an admitted mistake so stop lying.
When will Obama admit all his lies?
Of course, he can do no wrong with his supporters.
All his words do not match up to his actions.
And you know it.
April 5, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Bosnia was an admitted mistake so stop lying."
Did she admit it was a mistake to lie? Did I miss something?
Maybe she admitted it was a mistake to lie about something she got right in her book? That's a big mistake right there, to get the story right in print, then in a bunch of speeches exaggerate the hell out of it with added sniper threat and a dash to safety.
Did sleeplessness cause her to forget what she wrote, which was also what she lived through, the harrowing experience that wasn't?
Maybe her mistake was in not exaggerating the scene for the book. As we see in the returns, she made much, much less on it than Bill did on his. She should've spiced it up some.
April 5, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
In this scene, Gotalife greases the well-worn Monolithic favorite, turning the camera back to the TPM audience itself. It's a curious addition to his performance at this stage of the thread, so we'll have to wait and see if his thread totals propel him ahead of Weaver's staggering top-of-thread accomplishments.
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April 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like this guy
April 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are adorable.
April 5, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The time has come to pass the crown....
I had appointed myself designated "troll marginalizer"....and now this smart-ass comes in with his fancy algorithms and troll valuation indices...
For taking snark to a whole new technical level, I salute you.
April 5, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The White House papers say differently than Mr. Gergen on NAFTA.
The particulars involved in N. Ireland said that she did little more than get women's groups together.
She never admitted to lying about Bosnia. She said that she mixed up her trips.
More importantly, you accused me of lying rather than answering my post.
Why did she feel the need to try to sell her Health Care plan on a bullshit story?
Whether it was first-hand, second-hand, third-hand or whatever, the story about the pregnant woman is 100% unadulturated prime-grade Bullshit.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/1395dd.html
It's against the law to deny emergency services. Period.
NO hospital in America is going to deny a pregnant woman services over $100, and risk MILLIONS in lawsuits.
WHY gotalife, did she lie about it?
Don't deflect, don't accuse me of trying to fib about her. I posted HER stump speech, and the NYTIMES debunk. I've above posted the LAW that states it's illegal to do such a thing.
Why did she do it? She's supposed to be a lawyer. Are you telling me she's too stupid to know if a story sounds like crap, that she shouldn't do a little due-dilligence to verify it before spreading it on the campaign?
Wait, her own campaign ADMITS that they didn't fact check it.
SO again, gotalife, I am asking. If the story ISN'T true, her campaign DIDN'T fact check it, and the hospital SAYS it's false, why has she used it in stump speeches for several weeks now?
(remember, I'm not campaigning for president, so calling me a liar or Obama-supporter doesn't answer the question).
April 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
David Gergen did not say that Hillary was against NAFTA on substance.
He said she was "not enthusiastic" about it *because* she was concerned that her healthcare plan and NAFTA could not both get through Congress at the same time. She wanted the White House to concentrate on her initiative, healthcare. Gergen has never said that she was opposed to it on policy grounds. She lied about that in order to get votes in OH.
April 5, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can we trust her about potential conflicts of interest?
Well, Mark Penn tells us that lobbying on behalf of a trade deal that Clinton says she opposes was a "mistake in judgment." I suppose lobbying for Blackwater was too. . . and the union-busting for Cintas. . . and representing the sovereign wealth funds that Hillary has criticized. . . Yep, all mistakes in judgment.
If Hillary's top adviser has such poor judgment, what does that say about her and the sort of person that will be informing policy in her administration?
April 5, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's funny to keep hearing all this stuff from goatlife about how donating to Obama is pointless because he'll lose. Interestingly enough, I've been paying attention to those Intrade Prediction Markets, and in the past week Obama has kept rising, from around 79% to now, as I write this, 85.4%. Hillary, on the other hand, has dropped from around 19% to 13.7%. It makes one wonder who's wasting whose money in campaign contributions...
April 5, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
They both get millions from Wall Street sparky.
It is a waste of money.
April 5, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
April 5, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not sure why Obama is getting knocked here for charitable giving:
"In 2006, Obama reported income of nearly $1 million, with nearly half of it coming from the publication of his second book, "The Audacity of Hope." Last week, the campaign disclosed that Obama and his wife, Michelle, gave $240,000 to charity last year."
-Associated Press
Two different years, I realize, but $250,000 to charity with under a million in income??? That's insanely generous.
And presumably it's not his own "family" charity.
April 5, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since the Obamas (as well as the Clintons) haven't done their 2007 tax returns yet, much less release them, we're going to have to take those "AP reports" with a grain of salt. We can say, that if they gave 25% of their income to charity last year, that's quite a break with precedent.
April 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's odd that they were a week overdue if this is all there was to it, yo?
April 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Move along, everybody. Nothing to see here."
April 5, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
From today's Washington Post: "In 2006, tax returns detail $2.65 million in income from Bill Clinton's partnership with Burkle. But Sen. Clinton's campaign did not release a separate filing known as Schedule K-1, which could reveal more income after write-offs, said Dean Zerbe, national managing director of Alliant Group tax consultants."
Most income from partnerships like these never gets reported on tax returns because it's tax-deferred -- a real sweetheart deal for the wealthy and in-the-know. So the figures released yesterday most assuredly understate their true income -- perhaps by seven figures or more.
Moreover, this only adds weight to Greg's point above: "Some folks are wondering what Bill Clinton did to earn $15 million from billionaire Ron Burkle's Yucaipa Companies." What IS up with that?
These tax returns also make the point that anytime Hillary tries to come off like an ordinary person, she's being as honest as she was about Tuzla and sniper fire.
April 5, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. The 1/3 tax bracket they seem to be in (based on what we can see seems to be their income) doesn't ring true to me. If the filthy rich actually did pay their taxes like this (which they do not), we could pay off the deficit. But I've only looked at the summary, so if there are schedules missing, well, then it all begins to come together.
April 5, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
So now we're just making up hypothetical things the Clintons might have done without the necessity of any evidence whatsoever.
April 5, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe most of the Clintons donations were to their own foundation.
April 5, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
For some reason, I just find it deeply amusing that the Clinton's charitable donations went to their own charity.
I don't imagine that this is unusual, among those who run their own charities, but still, it just seems so...Clintonesque.
And the Clinton campaign is probably glad that these tax returns are out there, because that's what people are talking about, rather than the Mark Penn flub (the Colombia government has demonstrated better judgment than Hillay by firing his ass) and the fiction that she tells on the stump about that woman in Ohio...
April 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the end that what it always comes down to, isn't it? There's nothing objectively wrong, but it's just "Clintonesque"? Listen to yourself.
April 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing objectively wrong, no, but the individuals in question have a history of narcissistic behavior.
In theory, donating all your charitable contributions to your own charity isn't a problem.
In reality, it's the Clintons. "We'll donate a bucketload of money to charity. Our charity, because we know better than anyone else how to do things". And their brand benefits. Surprise!
They have a history of narcissistic behavior. Unfortunately, that history is going to color any interpretation of their actions.
April 5, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I don't agree here. When we fantasize about willing Powerball (unlikely as we never play) we fantasize about our foundation and how we can use it to direct money wherever we want. The foundation can then donate money to different organizations, but you need to fund the foundation.
We also, by the way, plan on starting a PAC or whatever to constantly funnel money to the Brady Campaign, the ACLU, Common Cause, and whatever else really pisses these people off.
Now, about the actual winning the Powerball...
April 5, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, people who run foundations dream about donating bucketloads of cash to those foundations--to keep them running. Makes sense.
Very wealthy people (those who don't need to win Powerball, for instance, and those who have earned over 100 million dollars in the last decade) donate bucketloads of cash to their foundations. But not any other charities? I find that difficult to believe.
But thanks for the comment about the value of the foundation in question. I have no doubt that the Clintons can do a lot of good.
April 5, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
When we win the Powerball, we will give to a kitty charity in your honor!
April 5, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have that same fantasy --- and the same inherent problem in that I don't play either.
April 5, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a place for us, sj.... Somewhere, a place for us.
April 5, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
15 million from Ron Burkle?
April 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
This article is full of innuendo by Greg Sargent, who seems to suggests that the Clintons deserve to go to jail somehow, or deserve to be punished by some ethics commission.
It was to be expected that Sargent would become an Obama hack sooner than later, once his "Horses Mouth" website was mysteriously shut down.
April 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are too funny.
And you probably haven't read many of the comments sections, either, or you would know that Greg is routinely lambasted as being a Clinton tool.
I especially like the comment about HorsesMouth being "mysteriously" shut down...
April 5, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I find the Obama trolls wanting all this accountabilty for the Clintons and give w and cheney a free pass very disappointing.
Folks, the Clintons are great leaders of your party and deserve your respect.
w and cheney do not. Where is the outrage for their accountabilty? Where are the demands for their resignations?
It is coming from the ACLU and not the Dem Party. You would rather hate the Clintons than demand accountability for w and cheney. You give them a free pass like the corporate media.
That is pathetic.
April 5, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what's known as a straw man. For the younger of those among us: This is a textbook example of how NOT to make an argument.
Logical fallacies are fun!
April 5, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
A stunning late-thread surge for Gotalife, producing his well-worn ACLU strawman. Will his endearing tenacity bring him enough love to offset Weaver's nearly unassailable single-post lead? Not this time around, fans - but the best is certainly yet to come.
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April 5, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Moving goalposts in hyperspeed! Giant strawman of previously unseen proportions!
The subject of this post is the Clinton's Tax Returns.
LOL!
April 5, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
What freaking planet are Shrillary supporters living on? The willful ignorance, the excuses they make for her and her campaign, the unwarranted attacks on Obama, the almost (gag) REPUBLICAN-ness of it all... so negative, so lame, and so pathetic. Put down that kool-aid!
Vote Dem for prez, WHOEVER that might be... and since its gonna be Obama, may as well get used to the idea.
Either that, or leave the party. Go. Please. Who needs ya? Answer? McCain. How'd you like a McCain presidency on your conscience? Permanent war! The continued destruction of our rights, our values, our treasure... our country.
Wake the fuck up, quit yer bitchin, you lost, good show, now let's move on.
And troll-review person, classic stuff. very clever, the perfect antidote for troll-spew sickness. Thanks!
April 5, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say this: If the Clintons had done anything wrong, they'd be in jail. The IRS knew abou their tax returns before they went public this week.
But obvious things are not so obvious for the once-upon-a-time progressive Talking Points Memo website.
April 5, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem here isn't any particular item. I doubt we'll find anything illegal or even in a serious gray area. (The Quellos thing is the most suspect, what with their offshore tax shelter issues, but the Clintons aren't stupid and probably aren't connected to the offending funds.)
No, the bigger issue is what is really being bought and sold with these speeches and funds. Clinton received $800,000 from a Colombian company for a series of speeches in Latin America. What were they really buying for that money? Somehow, I don't think it was just words of inspiration spoken in Bill's dulcet tones.
No, the real issue is access to the Washington power structure. So, by coincidence I'm sure, Bill Clinton received a big award from Colombia and then spoke positively about them. Bill was saying glowing things about Colombia's President Uribe, while other Democrats, including Al Gore, were trying to distance themselves from him?
And now, in another one of those wacky coincidences, Hillary Clinton's chief strategist has a major contract with Colombia and actively lobbies for the trade agreement that Bush is actively pushing for right now.
Multiply this situation and its coincidences by dozens of other big payouts to Clinton. Who are the companies and countries (Dubai anyone?) making these payments and what are they really buying?
I doubt that anything illegal has taken place here. But lots of things that are legal still stink up the joint.
April 5, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with Phoebe Fay. This is less about what is on the surface on these documents. This is about who has been bankrolling the Clinton dynasty and why. What is the network that they've been building in recent years and why? Follow the money trail.
April 5, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
This talks about what went down in Colombia and cites some Bloomberg News reporting on the subject:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040308R.shtml
I found the whole piece fascinating. There's so much here to be scrutinized.
April 5, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sadly, the Colombia and Kazakhstan deals both make a whole lot of sense in that light. But hey, if hanging with dictators is the price of making a fortune...
April 5, 2008 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Colombia is a democracy and they have been physically fighting to keep it that way for more than 40 years. I'm pro-Obama, but I'm also pro-getting your facts straight (i.e. no dictators involved).
April 6, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, you're right. Uribe is a far-right democratically-elected leader who just happens to use dictator-like tactics. Like paramilitary groups who kill union leaders. Of course, Uribe doesn't personally control the death squads. They're just linked to his closest political allies. But hey, I'm sure his hands are sparkly clean, and he's real sorry about all those people who managed to get murdered or "disappeared" after protesting for workers' rights.
April 6, 2008 1:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
What happened to the list of tidbits from BHO tax returns,I misplaced my copy. Please post again.
From a real honest Ralph Nader supporter
thank you
April 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well that's one of the more naive statements I've seen in my life.
But anyway, here's how I see this - we bitch at Gred and Erik all the time - both Clinton and Obama supporters. This blog allows for people to post their own "blog posts". So maybe if YOU build it, they will come.
Until then - disregard those posts whose topics offend thee.
:)
April 5, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
We are hearing a lot of bad stuff here about Hillary, now let's be fair and balanced and hear some "good" stuff about Baracko.
Come on guys, there must be something good about Baracko, let us here it.
Oh, and by the way, "just the facts mam", dreams and hopes don't qualify.
April 5, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are lots of good things about Barack. For one, he released his tax returns without any fuss. For another, he's released all his earmarks. For a third, he supports transparency in government and has *passed* legislation in the U.S. Senate to improve transparency in government (the act which created the website USASpending.gov).
How's that for a starter list that's relevant to this thread? I could list a lot more, but it would take me off topic.
April 5, 2008 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, the Clinton Foundation is fantastic. It's doing real, legitimate good in Africa where few dare tread. I know from people working there how much they've done. There might be some sketchy things about their finances, but the foundation is nothing but commendable. Bill has also used his stature to bring real visibility to the problems there. Whatever else you can say about them, the foundation is terrific.
It's one of the reasons I've been so troubled by the attack-dog Bill Clinton, on a personal basis.
April 5, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, intellectual honesty.
That is rare here. The Foundation donates to disaster victims too and the Clintons are loved in the world.
But lets ignore all the good and focus on the hate.
April 5, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, all my intellectual honesty leads to absolutely no rebuttals, just personal attacks.
And they call me a troll.
Fine, for now on you are the trolls. Clinton supporters rule this blog.
Your posts are attacks and are troll worthy. We just point out the obvious reality and for some reason, the trolls attack.
Does our truth hurt and you can't take it? Why the personal attacks trolls?
April 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife goes for the kill in a remarkable twist on the Innocence Abused modifier wrapped in a signature Monolithic reference. He's clearly feeling the heat from Weaver's top-of-thread achievements, but as always, doesn't disappoint the audience in this stunning come-from-behind surge.
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April 5, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
TrollCritic, I've been laughing all the way down this thread. Thnx.
Just want to say one teensy thing in defense of gotalife. S/he is a Democrat (albeit a Clinton supporter) and gives money to the ACLU. Once I read that (I read it on another tread) I've moved away from getting riled. I suspect s/he might even vote for whoever the nominee will be but has an avowed preference for Clinton.
Dembilc has been nominated as the "troll we’d like to have a beer with."
Weaver is another matter, nay, a different and mutated species of Periplaneta americana. The mutation occurred while he was spewing toxins on internet threads and the variety is now known as Blattella Internet-threadica.
April 5, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This Critic took note of that scene as well, but with Gotalife's masterful costume changes in so many of this year's Blockbuster threads, will the TPM audience agree in the long term? This Critic remains skeptical in light of Gotalife's range - not only in his TPM performances, but in other venues as well.
April 5, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Goatlife,
Hillary's toast.
April 5, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, second most....
(Thanks! I'll be here all week!)
April 5, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
TrollCritic 3000 -
Troll Rating: 120
You know, if it wasn't for that gravatar, I could start feeling like I wanted to make out after that post.
LOL!
April 5, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
A stunning pander to the critic from Tena :)
Troll Rating: -1000
April 5, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pandering works?? I pandered, and I got nothin'!!
April 5, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
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April 5, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are truly a great man, much greater than I.
Bravo, Matt!
April 5, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a question regarding:
"Investment income from Blind Trust $3,515,000"
How much money do you have to have invested in order to generate income of this magnitude?
April 5, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Depends on what the trust is invested in and the rate of return. If you've got 30 million in it and it was in a conservative stock and bond mix before the meltdown, you could get 10% easy.
If you've got 50 or 60 million in it you can put it all in bonds and do that well too.
That's why they say "the rich get richer." Unless you're a complete imbecile and take incredibly stupid risks with it, once your wealth hits a certain point it just takes off on its own. (Unless, of course, you're a stupid and/or delusional pop star, in which case it seems to just evaporate.)
April 5, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Giving to yourself - Great way to make your charity look like it's getting a lot of donations. Sort of like making it look like your campaign is getting a lot of donations.
April 5, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carvilles leaving DC:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/29/1618/82700/323/486814
now, upon advice I have merely pasted the URL in here because when I use link html -
April 5, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. And good news. Maybe they can use all their notoriety to do something good for NO.
April 5, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong damn thread - finally posted a link and it's the wrong damn thread.
in the immortal words of Clay Davis "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit!"
April 5, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
At an average of $96 a throw, I'd say our "buying" of the Presdency is coming pretty cheap.
At least we know from whence the money comes. So the American citizenry bought, or has an opportunity to buy their presidency.
April 5, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Charitable foundations are excellent vehicles for handing down wealth to future generations. They also are taxed at different rates, so allowing the principle to gain interest/dividends within said vehicle is a good long term strategy for amassing wealth. Depending on the form of the foundation/trust, the government requires certain percentage dispersals on an annual basis.
April 5, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are all of you people really so uninformed that you weren't aware of the Clinton Foundation before this? A foundation is a pretty standard method for wealthy people to manage their charitable giving, so all this "I find it pretty suspicious" stuff is just bullshit. The Clinton Foundation has done a lot of good work, which has been well reported. People who are critical of the foundation because it hasn't distributed all of its money just sound like idiots. That's not how foundations work.
I get it, you're all Clinton haters. But try to maintain some kind of grip on reality.
April 5, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, it is not simply Clinton haters who have questions here. Or at least it shouldn't be. The charitable foundation you refer to that has done a lot in Africa and around the world, sponsoring HIV/Aids initiatives and so forth is the William J. Clinton Foundation, and this does not seem to be one and the same thing as the "Clinton Faimly Foundation" -- and it's the "Clinton Family Foundation" that got the 10 million in donations. Does anybody know what this Foundation is, or anything about it? Also, it's not just that only a mere half of those funds have been disbursed, there's also the fact that the disbursements mainly began to happen only after Hillary Clinton began her run for president. I'd say there are issues here that would give pause to any sane person.
April 6, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
That simply isn't true. Between 2002-2005, $1,253,100 was disbursed; in 2006, the last year for which 990s are available (2007's aren't due yet) $1,274,900 was disbursed. So it really can't be said that disbursements "mainly" began after Clinton declared her candidacy. And as has been pointed out, retaining capital to grow the corpus is basic prudent operation for any foundation that's interested in having an indefinite lifespan.
April 7, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for your uncanny analysis. The portrait alone is worth the admission!
April 5, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Phoebe, good start, but looks like you are alone on this one so far.
If you happen to have info on Obama's earmarks, I wuld certainly be interested.
"How's that for a starter list that's relevant to this thread? I could list a lot more, but it would take me off topic."
Was going to ask ,what topic, but back tracked and found it.
Let me know about those earmarks ,if you would be so kind. thank you
April 5, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama released his earmarks last month:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/13/obama-releases-earmarks-calls-on-clinton-to-do-so/
If that doesn't work, just Google "Obama releases earmarks," and you'll get plenty of hits.
Obama had $98 million in earmarks last year, and Clinton had $342 million.
As far as I know, Clinton has not released her earmarks nor does she plan to. (If I'm wrong about that, I trust the Clintonites can provide a link.)
April 5, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not bothered the least little bit that Bill and Hillary Clinton made the kind of money they have, since Bill Clinton left the WH.
What makes me livid enough to start breathing fire is the thought that Chick Daney....er...Dick Cheney and George Dumbya Bush will have the potential to make more. They will make more after they have saddled us with trillions of dollars in national debt, a wrecked economy, a broken education system, a military stretched dangerously thin and a perilous environment which they insisted on not addressing..
Dumbya and Dick’s corrupt administration's destructive legacy will continue to engulf us while they leave the WH and rake in the big $$$ because of their contact networks. They will leave the WH with nary a glance backwards at what they have left us in the midst of or what we will endure as we dig out of this hole.
April 6, 2008 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why are there only Hillary Hit pieces here?
April 6, 2008 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, it's equal. Believe me, this place posts every piece of news on all 3 candidates.
Right before Texas and Ohio it was pretty rough on Obama.
This is just a bad news cycle for Hillary.
April 6, 2008 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, at least one good thing about Clinton, her supporters don't come in their pants when they see her on youtube. It's extremely distasteful to observe the smug and smarmy attitude of Obama's folk, even more distasteful than the Rev Wright's dashiki. I assure you, when pretty boy screws up foreign policy and the economy, you won't be coming in your collective pants anymore, you'll be shitting bricks : )
April 6, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
While it seems to be accepted by many here that former presidents are entitled to "cash in" after leaving office, the speed and breadth of the Clinton's transformation from upper middle class to multi-millionaires is, from my perspective simply vulgar. But then Bill always was vulgar when it came to such things; its a shame that Hillary has joined him in that regard. The contrast with Jimmy Carter is especially telling. As several folks have pointed out, the donations to a personal foundation, and NOT the one that has gotten some well-deserved publicity for doing good works--Bill used other folks money for that--are more than a little suspicious. Such foundations are in fact a commonly used way for the wealthy to shelter income or to pass it on to friends or family with minimal tax consequences. What has this foundation actually done with its assets?? I have already seen a few embarrassing postings re some of the deductions-so the Clintonistas should maybe wait before they start crowing about how harmless these returns will be for their candidate. At least one reason for the delayed release seems obvious. Why should all those lower middle class supporters help Hillary finance her campaign when she can obviously afford to do it herself?? This will hurt her fundraising online.
April 6, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I commented on this below but she can only afford to do that because she has all that money her husband earned.
April 6, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's actually fairly difficult to break money out of a foundation once you've put it in there and there are penalties for doing so. The tax forms filed by the Clinton Family Foundation show none of the usual strategies, such as mgmt. fees, etc., for channelling income to friends or family. Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea are the directors and none received compensation.
In 2006, among the CFF's large donations were the Arkansas Cancer Foundation (100K), Maria Fareri Childrens Hospital ($100K), Blythesdale Childrens Hospital ($100K) Bush-Clinton Katrina Relief Fund ($75K), Thea Foundation (arts in Arkansas schools) ($75K), University of Arkansas-Clinton School (yeah, yeah) (75K), Immanuel Baptist Church-Little Rock ($50K), Open Door Family Medical Center ($50K) the School of American Ballet ($40K), American Nurses Foundation ($35K), Walter Sisulu Pediatric Medical Center for Africa ($35K), Wellesley ($35K), Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund ($25K).
April 7, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Something I noticed about the tax returns. 90% of their income comes from Bill. I don't know why that jumps out at me but maybe it's that Hillary is the feminist's feminist according to her supporters yet she is relying preliminary on her marriage to Bill to support her. Not a big deal, just caused me a little mental noise since I'm one of those women who really did make it on my own.
April 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's likely because as a senator her outside earnings are restricted.
April 6, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary and Bill's corrupt fund raising history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related
Watch it, and you will have your eyes opened. This will reveal to you why Bill has been paid so many millions in recent years.
April 6, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Earmarks
Obama Requested $1 Million For Construction Of A New Hospital Pavilion At The University Of Chicago. In 2006, Obama requested that the University of Chicago receive $1 million to support its Construction of New Hospital Pavilion.
Like I'm sure this is not in any way related to the 160% salary increasa M. Obama received in 2005, which happened to be the year after BHO went to US Senate.
Obama never!, probably something Clinton would do
This is found under "energy/water" category in the listing, unless it's an energy saving/clean water pavilion of some sort, don't see tie-in
April 6, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
These tax returns should give you Obama supporters hope, once you grow up and learn a few lessons, you can earn more than $7.00/hr too.
First couple of lessons:
1. After undergrad it's no longer acceptable to keep your bong on the coffee table. I'm not saying you've got to give it up entirely, but discretion becomes more important.
2. Don't put Bullsh*t on resume like "community organizer". Everybody knows that is a euphamism for unemployed.
April 6, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Washington Post published an article about the Clinton Family Foundation last year:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/26/AR2007022601542.html
"The charity is separate from the New York-based William J. Clinton Foundation, which has directed $10 billion in corporate money and resources toward slowing the global spread of AIDS, addressing climate change, and reducing hunger and poverty in developing countries.
"The smaller family foundation lists as its address a post office box in Chappaqua, N.Y., where the Clintons live. Hillary Clinton is listed as secretary and treasurer, Bill Clinton as president and the couple's daughter, Chelsea, as a director. None takes any compensation.
"The charity has been funded with money from lucrative book deals for both Clintons and from speechmaking by Bill Clinton since they left the White House in 2001. The foundation's tax filings are available on an Internet repository for IRS documents. ..."
April 7, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink