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Top Hillary Strategist: The Real Negative Campaign Is Obama's

In an op-ed in today's Washington Post, top Hillary strategist Geoff Garin has laid out the campaign's most detailed case yet that the truly negative campaign is being run not by Hillary, but by Obama.

"The bottom line is that one campaign really has engaged in a mean-spirited, unfair character attack on the other candidate -- but it has been Obama's campaign, not ours," Garin writes. "You would be hard-pressed to find significant analogues from our candidate, our senior campaign officials or our advertising to the direct personal statements that the Obama campaign has made about Clinton.

"The problem is that the Obama campaign holds itself to a different standard than the one to which it holds us -- and sometimes the media do, too."


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Yeah, that is why Obama is running push polls in NC to deceive voters with their lying talking points.

Oh wait...that is HILLARY using that Republican tactic:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/04/hillary-resorts-to-yet-another.html

Oh, and funny coincidence, I should note that it is Garin's firm that is doing the push poll for Hillary.

He is no better than Penn. They are both little Rove-lites.

Push polls are done closer to the election. Those are not push polls.

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Push polling has nothing to with how long before the election they are performed, and if anything, to be an effective strategy they should be done at least a week in advance as their primary goal is to start a whispering campaign. From the linked story, it sure sounds like push-polling to me:

the questions turned to long Hillary-praising and Barack bashing policy statements with the response options being "Do you consider that a very strong, strong or weak or very weak reason to support her candidacy for president?" which is kind of an unanswerable question, and clearly not the point. At the end of the conversation they asked "Now based on everything we've discussed, who would you vote for?"

Um, it's 10 days away. When is it too early to start deceiving voters and lying to them about your opponent's positions? There is absolutely no reason to think this sort of thing is only effective the day before an election.

In fact, I've gotten push polls before from Republicans (you know, the ones who used to be the only ones doing push polls against Democrats) and they were not right before the election.

So yes, it is a push poll. Clearly it is a push poll.

Classic Rover technique: take what you are doing and accuse your opponent of it.

I'm assuming you are talking about the lies in the push poll, and yeah, she loves attacking people for her weaknesses.

Hard-pressed to find analogues?

Okay: how's this? Dropping "Hamas" in a debate for no good reason. Dropping Farrakhan not once, but twice, in a debate. Having Geraldine Ferraro go on the war path for a week straight. Leaking photos to Drudge. Bob Johnson with his drug-user insinuations. Hillary's "as far as I know" reaction. Hillary's insistence that Bill Ayers nonsense be probed.

Blah.

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Shhhh!

Don't be injecting reality into the Clinton campaign, you might make her cry again!

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Garin got crushed on Meet the Press. He didn't know what was going on with his own campaign.

Hillary Clinton: Victim-in-Chief

If she is elected, be prepared for every single thing that goes wrong to be blamed on the Republicans, the media, and dissenters in her own party. But never her.

Correction:

Hillary Clinton: World's toughest Victim-in-Chief.

Didn't this guy play hide-the-ball a few days ago, saying he has only been there for 2 weeks? Now he is suddenly an authority on the history between these two campaigns?

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Well, the Clinton campaign constantly makes statements which are absurdly false. It's really embarrassing and insulting frankly. So I don't see why anyone would believe this tripe. It's about as honest as Hillary claiming "more people who cast ballots voted for me" implying she won the popular vote -- when in fact she's entirely ignoring people who caucused (who she has long claimed "don't count")

They have zero credibility. And it's clear that she's run a much more negative campaign. Jesus.

The point is that Hillary's supporters will believe it, which will keep them from becoming queasy about what she's doing, and the media will transcribe it the say way they transcribed Bush's alternate realities.

Seriously, how many times have you seen her supporters here saying the same thing. I'll be surprised if I dont' find them saying downthread here.

More classic Rovian - attack where you are weak and your opponent is strong. Declare white is black, black is white, and that 2+2 = 5, and that anyone who disagrees is a lunatic.

As I've often noted, I wonder what color the sky is in Hillaryland?

Declare white is black, black is white, and that 2+2 = 5, and that anyone who disagrees is a lunatic.

Precisely. I think George Orwell's ghost has taken over Hillaryland.

The Hillary Clinton 2008 campaign...refuge of fantasists, liars, truth-twisters and distorters.

LOL! When will it stop.

Still smarting from the smack down Axelrod laid on him on MTP. Now who's whining?

The ONLY time you'll see Garin on the offensive in in print. As was obvious from his stuttering, stammering, um, ah, thing on, ah meet the press, he's got a great voice for the newspaper (maybe even worse than Krugman).

For any who care, and I assume everyone here is already decided--this is why I wouldn't vote for her.

The biggest obstacle to progressive change isn't Republicans, believe it or not, it's politicians who blatantly lie and then rely on the lazy media to allow them to get away with it.

I didn't vote for her in my primary (NY, although I supported her senate race). If she's the nominee, she will get my vote in the GE, but not a dime in contributions from me. Obama on the other hand... I'd donate again and again.

I feel the same way: it is very difficult imagining listening to her and surrogates lying with straight faces for four years. I've had eight years of that already with Bush, Rove, Cheney, et al.

I won't go back into the 90s because I was stupidly defending the Clintons then. Live and learn.

Agree wholeheartedly - it's the Big Lie politicians who are the problem, regardless of party.

Most disciples of the Joseph Goebbels School of PR are Republicans, but this Clinton crew - and it comes as a surprise to me - is just as devoted to the Big Lie. When they're ahead in delegates, it's a race about delegates. The instant they trail in delegates, it's a race about something else. Hillary was always against NAFTA. They never played the race card. It's the Obama campaign that went negative. There's no quibbling about consistency; the Big Lie of the Day is the eternal truth until the next Big Lie of the Day. Only a lying moron would say otherwise.

Clearly the Big Lie can fool enough people to get power, but it's not a great way to run a country. Witness the way the Bush tax cuts reduced the deficit, Iraq paid for the privilege of being invaded, the Coalition of the Willing won the Iraq war, and the Bush-Cheney energy policy ushered in a new Golden Age. The people being driven from their homes by foreclosure should have cashed their Bushonomic dividend checks like everybody else.

We've had about all the make-believe triumphs we can take. The Clintons' disconnect with reality is a luxury the country can't afford. We've already seen that Hillary's candidacy can't lose because victory is whatever the Clintons say it is. We should expect the next Clinton administration to wear the same infallibility cloak. The Clintons are right - by definition.


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"I know you are, but what am I?"

He's full of shit, but the larger point is this:

When are we going to become a serious country again?

"When are we going to become a serious country again?"

Have you seen your profile picture? The reason she is fighting to hard is because she recognizes what's at stake and she knows she'd be the better person to run the White House. She is serious.

Yup. She's the better liar. Hmm, did she ever pass the bar in DC?

Try, try again.

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"boondocks" is smart social commentary. maybe you should get that stick removed.

LOL!

C.

This is so absurd. "Stop whining" was her mantra since the debate last week, and now she is campaigning for Whiner-in-Chief?

Oh, Goody! It's Up is Down and Wrong is Right Day!

Duh, Friday is ALWAYS Opposite Day . . . especially if you have the mindset of a third-grader, which is what we have seen from the Clinton campaign from Day One.

Obviously, they're either confusing or purposefully obfuscating the terms "negavity" and "fear mongering". A campaign advertisement can play to (and benefit from) a prospective voter's worst fears without ever mentioning an opposing candidate. That's fear mongering, plain and simple.

Does this fathead really believe that anyone who picks up the WaPo and actually reads his op-ed will buy one ounce of the shit he is shoveling?

Anyone paying attention to Hillary's campaign will see this as nothing new. One of her strategies has been to conduct herself and her campaign in a repulsive way and then accuse her competitor of her own actions. Unfortunately, she's selling the story and the media is buying it.

Oh, OK. And she's ahead in the popular vote! And she's got plenty of money! But even though HE's the negative one, he's not tough enough. He's unelectable. It's her turn.

She is finished in politics, and no one has to follow her over the cliff.

He should've just taken out a full page ad that said "NO U"

"Top Hillary Strategist: The Real Negative Campaign Is Obama's"

Thank you Mr. Georin.

You, as Senator Clinton's top strategist, have now openly admitted that Senator Obama is better at "taking on the republican" attack machine, than your candidate.

Thank you Mr. Georin;

You, as Senator Clinton's top strategist, have now openly staged a Hillary WHINE FEST, in the Washington Post.

That means that Hillary can not stand the heat, and has run screaming and WHINING from the kitchen.

Mr. Georin.

Take that gun away from Senator Clinton.

She has just shot herself twice with it.

WHINE ON, WHINE ON, OBLITERATOR LOON!!!

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Does he think anybody is stupid enough to buy this crap?

Everyone knows who has been using the Kitchen Sink Strategy. All he is doing is proving that he too, like everyone involved with the Clinton campaign, is an out and out liar.

And that includes gottalife, dembolic, another reader and all the brain washed Hillary boosters here on TPM.

No more sinks remain, they are down to the sewer lines, the old ones!

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Their like inbred monkeys at a zoo, pooping in their hands then flinging it at whomever happens by.

This, in a nutshell, is the clinton camapaign:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnkoUIVRnxU

Hey You! SPLAT!

[the crowd gasps in awe at 9.2%!]

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I really wish I didn't click that link. I'm even going to the zoo today. Now, I'd rather go...anywhere else.

This is the hillary campaign's attempt to keep Obama from going negative. All obama would have to do is start talking about the '90s and its pretty much a wash for poor ole hillary. Guess she is really not that tough after all, and only in a moment of fantasy and perverse pleasure would I like to see hillary win the nomination. To see the repugs attack machine destroy her and put her in her place. Mean I know, but that is all people like her truly understand, which is why if you support her you are only justifying all that is bad in washington.

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Yet one more example of how Clinton's entire strategy in this campaign has boiled down to the simple WWRD (What Would Rove Do?) formula.

Are you catching some heat for running a negative campaign? Is your opponent looking better to the electorate because he runs an overwhelmingly positive campaign and stays out of your muck?

If so, WWRD? Clearly, attack your opponent for being the very thing he is not, but that you ARE. Wait for the message force multipliers in the traditional media to pick up and run with the ball.

Rinse, repeat.

It's into The Looking Glass time: Welcome to the ClintonTwilight Zone.

Hillary "can not stand the heat" and has run screaming from the kitchen to WHINE in the Washington Post.

Hillary admits to the Washington Post that Senator Obama is better at standing up to the Republican Attack Machine, because he has beat her at that game.

WHINE ON, WHINE ON, OBLITERATOR LOON!!!

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Straight out of the Rove play book - attack the other candidate on their strength.

In the very first charge of the op/ed he states:

He was asked whether Hillary Clinton would bring "the changes necessary" to Washington, and his answer was "no."

And then immediately conflates the simple answer to "Would Hillary bring about change?" with "Clinton lacks the character and the commitment to do so." Character? The question wasn't about character. The question was about changing the culture of Washington. Clinton can not do this. It has nothing to do with her character or moral fiber and everything to do with the fact that she is a Clinton. She has a lot of history with the town and the power structures in place. The lines are drawn in a decade of political blood-letting. A DLCer for change? Excuse me? I don't think Clinton would be a bad president, but as an agent of change? Forget about it.

Is an Op-ed inherently news? Reporting this nonsense, and thus, lending it credibility, is nuts.

So we're supposed to believe the rantings of Clinton staffer over the obvious facts before us.

I just confused.

Finally! I was wondering when they would hit back on this crap. Obama's entire campaign is rested on the premise that he has the superior character.

If anyone should be held to a higher standard it is Obama because he is the one telling us he is better than this. Unfortunately, he's launched negative attack after negative attack, all while denouncing those same style of attacks from Clinton.

Yes. Fascinating how the campaign is now saying overtly what you've been saying for weeks.

Dont think i saw much or any Clinton support in the comments. Guess the truth is to apparent in this case for anyway to raise a valid argument defending this outright lie.

(Like the sewer pipes joke. Was thinking they're down to what remains of the roman sewers now.)

"Top Hillary Strategist: The Real Negative Campaign Is Obama's"

Thank you Mr. Georin.

You, as Senator Clinton's top strategist, have now openly admitted that Senator Obama is better at "taking on the republican" attack machine, than your candidate.

Thank you Mr. Georin;

You, as Senator Clinton's top strategist, have now openly staged a Hillary WHINE FEST, in the Washington Post.

That means that Hillary can not stand the heat, and has run screaming and WHINING from the kitchen.

Mr. Georin.

Take that gun away from Senator Clinton.

She has just shot herself twice with it.

WHINE ON, WHINE ON, OBLITERATOR LOON!!!

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Wank wank wank wank wank wank.


Could we see something besides a bare claim about this so called negative campaign of Obama's please?

Saying it don't make it so.

If you'd like, you could click on my profile and read some past blog posts.

You could also read this.

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Blog posts?


[rolls eyes]


Dude.

War is Peace

Lies are Truth

Up is Down

Please take a listen to this push poll by the Clinton campaign (being run by Garin's firm... see Orwell, George). This is why the Clintons are dead to me.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-loeb/is-hillary-clinton-push-p_b_98446.html

caveat-less

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Reading the output of her most loyal surrogates and her very chief counselors is like looking into the face of evil. It's not good for us.

Imagine what her leadership of the country would do to the populace.

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I don't have to imagine - I can figure it out. A cross between Bush and Bill Clinton

in other words - a Democratic neo-con who never tells the truth.


But, but, but we're all just misguided in our partisanship because they're both great candidates and there is little substantive policy difference between, them, right? Things like this don't matter if they have the same policies, right?

At least, that's what we'll get from the commentariat and the remaining "neutral" Democratic bloggers.

This just in!

Top Hillary Strategists will say things predictably aimed toward getting Hillary sympathy and therefore, votes.

Stay tuned for more updates, as Ed Rendell claims Hillary is taller than Obama, and a better basket ball player.

Now, to Bill Clinton claiming Obama plays the race card.

Bill?

The question I have is why the WaPo gave Clinton free advertising space.

Mine, too. Don't forget they ran an equally asinine piece by Penn's old partner, Doug Schoen, last week, making the case why Hillary should go even more negative.

The Post editorial board is clearly part of the center-right D.C. establishment, and this is reflected on the op-ed page. They run more conservative columnists than liberal ones (the only ones left are E.J. Dionne, Eugene Robinson and Harold Meyerson). And they only give Meyerson -- in my opinion, the best columnist in America -- one piece a week, while they give Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson two a week. Just another example of the gross imbalance in the MSM.

And I thought that Mark Penn was bad, he is worse...

Garin's argument is totally specious. Not one example. The guy's a loser. Anyone see him on Meet the Press last weekend? Axelrod wiped the floor with him.

Beyond that, the Clinton fanatics are screaming "unfair" everywhere. It's delicious. A shrieking, quaking, fear-filled fest. How dare Clyburn! In not so many words, the gist is he's another uppity you know what. But now it's staring them in the face. The fun and games are over. They've basked in the light of being the center of the past few primaries. The working class, America's "real" people. Hillary's hard working, honest, and upright WHITE base.

How dare anyone not realize they are the center not only of this country, but of the earth? How dare anyone even dare to analyze their voting habits. Mon Dieu!

Meanwhile, black voters (and progressives, by the way) can suck eggs. Who gives a crap, right? Well Clyburn now makes it clear: the black electorate gives a crap. And now the Clinton camp's got to face their oops. No, you can't give the wink wink to racists and expect to get away with it. You can't help to trash a man like Jeremiah Wright, and make every effort you can to keep the racist malarkey about him in the news cycle, trashing the very concept and style of black Christian worship in the process.

Then, finally, you can't keep playing character assination tricks on the black candidate (and I will give examples: madrassah smear, "not a Muslim as far as I know," the turbaned Obama picture, William Ayers, slumlord (as Clinton put it) Tony Rezco, out of touch elitist...). So good for Bill Clyburn. Hooray for him two times. The news that those of us with brains have understood all along is official now and in front of the dimwits' characterless white faces: Hillary Clinton can't win.

I call it the politics of projection--the Bush crew are masters. If your practicing highly partisan, no-compromise politics, accuse the other guys of doing it. If you're running a negative campaign, accuse the other guys of doing it. Just more of the same old garbage.

Like the Bushies in their heyday, they are trying to create their own reality.

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They at least had an argument when they were saying that Obama is a little negative but says that he is "new politics" and when confronted with the FACT that the Clinton campaign is much more negative, Governor Rendell even said that it was ok for Clinton to go negative because she never said she wouldn't.

Basically saying we disgusting but not hypocritical where we were able to drag Obama down into our level once or twice and he is the bad guy because he said he wouldn't.

If you remember that "Meet me in Ohio" tirade that she went on it wasn't about the content of the mailer it was about calling him a hypocrite for using her style of tactics against her and not staying all positive all the time.

Scumbag all the way!

This is also consistent with the "heads she wins, tails he loses" strategy. If Obama stays above the fray, the Clinton sycophants say "he's too weak to fight against the Republicans." If he counterpunches, he's a mysogynist and a hypocrite ("what happened to the politics of hope?"). I don't think the Democratic primary electorate is stupid enough to fall for it. Certainly the good people of my home state are not.

Get the real news about THE OBLITERATOR at the following site. They expose the dirty news about her, that the Corporate Media does not report.


http://www.hillaryproject.com/?/en

These guys are real comedians. Clinton will be a rancher in Montana, a horse breeder in Kentucky, a coal miner's wife in WVA, a tobacco famer in NC, an environmentalist in Oregon, and a Republican in Indiana.

Everything but what she in fact is.....

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the thing geoff garin doesnt understand is that truth is the ultimate defense. David Axelrod isn't assassinating hillary;s character when he says she doesn't have what it takes to bring about real change in washington, he's speaking the truth. Is Axelrod supposed to tell a lie on national television just because the truth might hurt Hillary's feelings?

You can't change washington if you take more money from lobbyists and special interests than anybody running. You can't change washington or raise the level of discourse when your whole campaign is based on a "kitchen sink" strategy designed to throw as much dirt and mud on your opponent as possible.

Thats not real change. Thats the way Washington has been run the last two or three decades.

Garin=Penn=Schoen=Scum

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I just finished reading the Op-Ed. What mush! There's no there there.

The day before this ad went on the air, David Axelrod, Barack Obama's chief strategist, appeared with me on "Meet the Press." He was asked whether Hillary Clinton would bring "the changes necessary" to Washington, and his answer was "no." This was in keeping with the direct, personal character attacks that the Obama campaign has leveled against Clinton from the beginning of this race -- including mailings in Pennsylvania that describe her as "the master of a broken system."

Clinton and her campaign have a habit of either deliberately misinterpreting Obama's words or being too dense to understand them. This is a classic example. The changes necessary in Washington, as Obama and his supporters see them, involve a fundamental redistribution of power. It involves taking power away from lobbyists and keeping power broadly distributed and dependent on the grassroots. It involves opening up the processes of government and exposing the system to the light of day.

The only change that Clinton thinks is needed is replacing the autocratic Republican president with an autocratic Democratic president. She does not view lobbyists as a problem. She has no problem with the influence of money. She has no problem with secrecy (even though it's one of the things that doomed her healthcare reform attempt).

So yes, the system is terribly broken, and yes, Hillary Clinton is a master of that system.

Now I have to go make my brain cells do some push-ups. I swear, reading that article sucked 5 points off my IQ.

I've got to say this about Clinton:

She's clearly not the evil spawn of Satan, at least as far as I know...

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Wow now I remember why I don't read TPM comments any more -do you guys ever read yourselves?

She is a liar! She is untrustworthy! She is dishonest! Have those not been the republican Clinton talking points for years now? Are those not character slurs rather than addressing the issues? That is all I hear from you guys. And based on what? Whitewater-where is the lie?Travelgate? Vince Foster- they killed him? and technically he didn't even lie about Monica Lewinski because he asked for the definition of sex and theirs didn't include oral sex-which most young people don't consider sex either?? $70 million dollars of tax payer money spent and no charges- perjury or otherwise.

Who are the the baseless character assassins in this campaign? Obama and his disciples.

(and please don't embarrass yourselves by dredging up the Bosnia thing yet again-done and apologized for on National television)

She's right about that. The only problem is that thus far Obama has been very good at painting Hillary as the negative one. Her feisty style compared to (until recently) his soft-spoken style plays into that image. But if you look closer, Obama has been going negative all along. He simply blames Hillary when he does it.

Clearly bornagaindem and Otto F are paid hillary/GOP staffers attempting to spread more lies. The bosnia thing is just the tip of the ice berg, and just because you apologize for something does not mean it didn't happen. It's an insult to your own intelligence to continue the mantra of blaming others for your own actions.

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