Is it just me or is everyone getting tired of Hillary's fundraisers?

Rich elitist Democrats harping away because their candidate is about to lose.

God, the best thing about this primary is that it will finally tear the DLC out of the Democratic Party for good. Fucking corporate centrists.

"If he wishes to do something productive," Nemazee continued, "he should exhibit the leadership necessary to resolve the Florida and Michigan impasse, which has disenfranchised millions of Democratic voters."

Actually, Mr Nemazee, unlike you Howard Dean is doing something to resolve FL's and MI's awkward situation. By urging the supers to come off the bench, he is helping us get to a place where we have a clear nominee. At that point the winner (be it Clinton or be it Obama) will be at liberty to be magnanimous by agreeing to seat the MI and FL delegations as they stand, knowing that they will not make a difference (although I would hope that the superdelegates from these states would not be seated, because they are the folks who caused this mess in the first place, so it is only right that they should be made to wear the dunce caps).

In response to this:
"he should exhibit the leadership necessary to resolve the Florida and Michigan impasse, which has disenfranchised millions of Democratic voters."

I will reiterate. There is no impasse.

DNC said they'd strip states moving their primaries up from 5 February, excepting NH, NV, IA, & SC. FL and MI moved their primaries up. DNC stripped their delegates. End of story.

Top Hillary Fundraisers have turned bitter
and are now clinging to their Traditional Elitist Fat Cat
Culture.

Senator Hillary, $107 Million, Clinton feels their

Elitest Pain!!!!

Elitist pulling strings.

Standard operating procedure for the Clintons.

"Governor Dean should do what he has said he will do -- refrain from injecting himself into the primary process, as millions of Democrats have yet to cast their votes," Hillary national finance chair Hassan Nemazee, one of the most influential fundraisers in the Democratic Party, told me today.

Here's thought - why don't you shut up and quit acting like some kind of machine political goon and trying to lean on the party to do what you want it to do, asshole?

Because I resent the everloving hell out of this bullshit pressure from big money donors -

It will not be forgotten.

What are they yelling about?
If their girl is so confident her arguments about electability are going to work in August, why not pull those strings now and get 250-300 Supers to endorse her and put her back ahead in the delegate count like she started with back in January.

liam - good point and good reading comprehension. Everything after the first paragraph turned red for me cause I was so damn mad.

This is like blackmail from these assholes and it also is very very very demeaning to all of us $25-$250 donors to Obama - like we don't matter as much.

!!!HILLMENTUM™!!!!

At what point are these people going to emerge from denial and cut their losses?

I know most people here love Dean, but I think he's been a disaster. I'm sure there are terribly important political considerations I'm not aware of, but Dean should have come out against Hillary's ridiculous stance on these two states -- which was not voiced, of course, until seconds after SC voted -- immediately. He should have sent out a release after her charade victory party in FL, he should have gone on television mocking her that night, and not stopped. Instead, he went into Cheney's bunker for the better part of 6 weeks and now we are where we are: No one in the party is paying him a bit of attention and FL & MI are disasters. This has been a PR war and Dean is losing it for the Dems.

Wow, has the Democratic party always been this screwed up or am I just now noticing it?

Penned-up pigs always squeal.

There go the big Hillary moneybags again, shooting off their mouths. Old politics. Old politics.

Good for Howard Dean. F*ck Clinton's money men. They don't run the party.

I'm an Obama "fundraiser" and he seems to be cleaning her clock in that department.

It's become clearer by the day that the Clintons are the Godfather of the Party and we should all kiss the ring and dutifully perform the coronation of Hillary. This election season is making me sick,. There is no hope for this country. Politics are so corrupt now within BOTH parties.

Tell Nemazee to stop whining.

I'd much rather these things coming from supporters or surrogates instead of fundraisers. I know I'm cynical; but I always jump to the idea that they are throwing their money around and protecting their investment rather than fighting "for the people" or anything like that.

They're watching their ambassadorships go up in smoke. Talk about whiners.

Keep in mind one of the other and most important toxic side effects of Hillary's strong-arming committed delegates into handing her the nomination "because she's Hillary":

Howard Dean goes away. Probably involuntarily.

Dean, put bluntly, saved the Democratic Party's ass.

He goes, the Democratic Party once again becomes all about the Clintons. The downticket offices will wither on the vine. Again.

Death throes.

They don't have a point.

Hillary had 100 or so super delegate lead before Iowa. So for her to talk about supers having to wait until PA to decide is pure hypocrisy.

But leave it to the MSM to ignore such blatant hypocrisy > Obama rules.

Why are they so effin' uppity? I mean, he didn't tell them to go out and endorse Obama now or anything. It makes you feel that they, the fundraisers, already know that the undecided supers have already made up their minds for Obama. If so, then Hillary '08 is already finished. It makes no sense.

How is contacting our superdelegates going to bring soldiers back from Iraq any sooner? Sorry, I honestly don't see the connection.

A) Bush is still in office, and he shows no signs of leaving Iraq before he leaves office.

B) If you think Republicans aren't going to try to distract the voters about Iraq, even if the Dems have a nominee, you are living in an alternate universe.

c) We are going to stay in Iraq as long as there is oil there. You seem to be distracted from the real reason we are in Iraq.

Yet again, the Clinton campaign and its surrogates find themselves caught on the horns of a contradiction.

Are superdelegates:

a.) Supposed to vote for a candidate based on their own best judgment?

or

b.) Supposed to ratify the decisions of the voters.

Because if it's a.), there's no basis for complaining that Dean is asking the SDs to hurry up and use their judgment. And if it's b.), Hillary might as well go home now, since Obama is winning every popular metric.

This probably has as much to do with trying to re-ignite the MI and FL business than anything.

If Clinton wins PA by single digits (not enough to knock her out, but also not enough to heavily influence the NC and IN races), I'd look for her to start pushing the MI and FL stuff pretty hard again in the intervening two weeks, both for political and fundraising purposes.

DISENFRENCHFRY!

So, all those supers that endorsed Hillary way back in 2007, I'm assuming these guys want them to take it back, to let the process play out?

Wait, at what point did Dean say the Superdelegates should come out and announce their support for Obama?

Couldn't they come out and announce they feel Hillary is the best candidate?

Not sure what they are up in arms about, unless they think all the superdels want to go with Obama, and in that case, what argument do they have anyway?

After the 1995 Clinton 'Screw 'em' Campaign -- Welcome to the:

2008 CLINTON TO VOTERS "SCREW 'EM" CAMPAIGN

Clinton 1 'Screw 'em' Strategy:

Clinton surrogate Wolfson: ..."I want to be clear about the fact that neither campaign is in a position to win this nomination without the support of the votes of the superdelegates," Wolfson said, adding that the Clinton campaign would make no distinction between the caucus/primary delegates and the "superdelegates."

"We are interested in acquiring delegates, period," Wolfson said.

So Clinton's basic strategy?: We'll use and abuse the gullible voters thinking they are going to make a difference -- when really it's only the superdelegates we need -- THE VOTERS: 'Screw 'em' -- Let them them waste their Democratic money that could go towards beating the republicans to go towards smearing and sliming Obama... "Hell yeah!"

Clinton 2 'Screw 'em' Strategy:

Clinton..."A lot of those lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans. They represent nurses, they represent social workers, yes, they represent corporations that employ a lot of people. I don't think, based on my 35 years of fighting for what I believe in, I don't think anybody seriously believes I'm going to be influenced by a lobbyist."

However:

"...According to data from the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, however, Clinton's assertion doesn't quite hit the mark. While some lobbyists certainly do represent "real" people and large corporations, those who are contributing to the 2008 presidential candidates—including the senator from New York—aren't on Capitol Hill to talk about the issues of nurses or social workers, or firefighters or cops. By matching lobbyists who have donated to the presidential candidates this year with their clients, the Center found that these individuals are instead largely advocating for big industries such as pharmaceutical, automotive and computer companies.

..."Only 14 lobbyists who gave to Clinton reported representing health professionals, compared to 76 who represented the pharmaceutical industry..."

Yeah Hillary... screw the 'little guy'

Oh and remember the 2006 Lieberman vs. Lamont Clinton 'Screw 'em' Strategy:

Colin McEnroe [Salon]: "...When I asked Waters why she thought Clinton was coming to Connecticut, she said there were rumors in Washington that he and his wife are freaked out by the sudden progressive insurgency. The DLC is putting down a small rebellion before it spreads..."

Howard Dean, I believe, is advocating on behalf of the voters AND the Democratic Party. Clinton and her backers, I believe, have shown they have other interests.

He added that Dean could "best ensure that we have a strong Democratic nominee and a united party" by focusing on those two states, rather than pressuring super-dels.

Thanks for telling the chairman how to run things, asshole.

I'd dearly love to be able to tell you and the other goons who keep leaning on our leaders what I really think of you.

Though it's unclear what Dean can do to force a resolution of the Florida and Michigan situations,

Please, Greg, don't repeat that meme. The situations are resolved. FL and MI were warned that if they tried to stomp on the NV and SC primaries by moving theirs up, they would lose their delegates. Plenty of warning, clear as day. They did it anyway, and lost their delegates, a position agreed to by all the candidates. How is this anything but resolved?

Sorry, but isn't this EXACTLY why we don't want Hillary as President???

Big money backers having a say about ANYTHING at ALL

Doesn't matter. It will all be over Tuesday.

I think the Clintons have managed to blame, threaten, disown, demean, disrupt, blackmail, sue, drag down, kneecap, smear, steal, slander, divide and sabotage anything or anyone who gets in their way regardless of consequences. I can't keep track of their hypocrisy. They can try and sway superdelegates now, but no one else can?

They can play politics but Howard Dean can't?

I think the question on everyone's mind should be "what do these so-called "top Hillary fundraisers" expect in return for their investment in her? I think their being so vocal invites suspicion.

The Clintons are laughing at you whiners.

Get out of the race, you can't handle the pressure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq11UExcw

The fact is that Obama has already won. If Hillary wins by 10% in every single upcoming state, she'd still need 80% of the remaining superdelegates.
And don't go talking about FL and MI, as Hillary ran unopposed in both those states and still barely won (she only got 54% in FL, where the runner up was "other" and none of the other major candidates were on the ballot), which explains why she insists on using the under-attended elections instead of a do-over.

Howard Dean is right on. Superdelegates need to come on out, because there is no such thing as an "uncommited" superdelegate. They are just undisclosed. It's time to disclose!
Clinton lost this nomination a very long time ago, and it's time to give her, her fundraisers and supporters a serious reality check!
I admire the ones who have come out thus far, and though the Clinton strategy to tar and feather any Clinton allies who see through the smoke and endorse Obama, brave souls are doing their thing. I have a feeling we will see a groundswell after Pennsylvania, despite Clinton's win. It's just not enough. Clinton is toast. Let's unite this party and defeat McCain.

I can't say I know this with certainty, but it seems to be a safe assumption that the Chair of the party is in fact a superdelegate.

So, explain to me the level of ego involved with a fundraiser, presumably *not* a superdelegate, explaining to the PARTY CHAIR and an actual superdelegate, that he has no business being involved in the superdelegate debate.

I spent most of this season favoring Hillary. But the last two months are moving me rapidly from "Hillary Supporter", through "Obama supporter", now passing "Good Lord, get the heck *over* yourselves" on my way to "God PLEASE STFU!"

Superdelegates for states that have already voted SHOULD CAST their f*cking votes already.

Are they retarded, cast your vote too and let's get on with this.

This year, let's change next year and eliminate the superdelegates!!!

i dont know the inner workings of the Dem party that much, but i have seen enough to know that if Hillary wins the nomination and the presidency goodbye Howard Dean.

this power struggle going on at the top of the party is between the Clintonites vs the "50 state strategy crew." the party's philosophic ways of doing things is at stake and there will be blood either way...

Meh.

The fat cats are just pissed that the new funding model Obama's developed has just made them obsolete... or at least, less relevant.

A wounded animal is the most dangerous. Time to finish them all off.

I couldn't agree more. I have been an avid Obama supporter who is not rich by any means, so I've been waiting to contribute to him until he needs it...so far not necessary.

There are millions of us out here doing the same thing. All he would need to do is issue a request that the old order big money bags are withholding money from the party or downticket candidates or himself and we would all dive in with our $25-$200.

I have no worries about funding a campaign nationwide IF Obama is at the top of the ticket. If he's not, the Dems are in serious trouble and money is the least of their worries.

Someone needs to tell Nemazee and Zimmerman that they don't own the Democratic Party anymore. There's a new sheriff in town.

Fundraisers who formerly got to call all the shots while we mere mortals got to thank them for their occasional crumbs: "The sky is falling, the sky is falling."

I fail to see why the concerns of a few fat cats is of any interest to me.

It's time to realign a whole bunch of things in this country, dudes. Deal. Quit being asses and put your shoulders to the wheel with the rest of us, or STFU. You may be rich, but that doesn't mean you're more important. That's what the republicans' job is.