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RNC Lawyers Warn Nets Against Airing Anti-McCain Ad

The Republican National Committee has developed a new method for rebutting attack ads against John McCain: Send threatening letters to any cable networks that might run them.

RNC chief counsel Sean Cairncross has notified NBC, CNN and MSNBC that he believes the new Democratic ad attacking John McCain's "maybe a hundred" years in Iraq line is illegal on two counts: 1) It is misleading, in that Cairncross says it distorts McCain's words, and 2) It constitutes collaboration between the Clinton and Obama camps and the DNC in fashioning a message against McCain.

During a conference call today with reporters, DNC chairman Howard Dean denied any collaboration with the Obama or Clinton camps in making the ad, and had this to say when asked whether he actually expected any real legal action on the RNC's part, beyond threatening letters: "Let them do it."


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I saw the DNC ad against McBush on TV tonight.

Devastatingly good.

Fire at will, Mr. Dean!

How about a trade -

Dems take down the add in exchange for McCains medical records and Cindys tax returns.

And then the Dems can simply put out a new add on the new flip flop news that McCain was against staying in Iraq before he was for it.

Toss in that the RNC ensures the North Carolina ad goes away and it's a deal!

Wow, the repubs must be really worried about this. They didn't say much about the economy ad that has been running for a couple of weeks now.
But this one-- they are really making a big stink about. I don't see how threatening the networks is really going to help.

Hillary has been threatening the networks since January and just look at the fine results now. Things have reached the stage where Rove is now playing according to the Hillary game-book.

Wow. This sort of makes it...newsworthy! I assume the networks will run it on a loop now, complete with roundtables and graphics in bold fonts saying "McCain's 100 Year Problem"?

Yeah, sure they will.

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Hey RNC, YOU are the Einsteins who nominated Mr. "Straight Talk." So let the rest of us enjoy the man's straight talk on Iraq.

Rev. Wright isn't doing Obama any favors. He preaches anger and hatred of decades-old injustices, yet no appreciation for the progress that has been made. Certainly, we can do better, but it doesn't help to incite so much anger in generations of black youth who never experienced slavery or the harsh discrimination of Wright's youth. Today, they have opportunities that Wright could not have imagined then. Obama has no chance against McCain and should drop out for the good of the Party, unless he can get William Ayers to blow Wright up in a suicide mission when Rezco is visiting, after apologizing for voting for Dick Cheney's Oil Bill, that would make him viable again.

I agree with your first statement. Wright is a nutter and Obama needs to kick him to the curb but the rest of your comments are just as looney as some of the Wright garbage.

Do you realllly think Hillary has no skeletons - hell they are full blown corpses and they aren't even in the closet.

They haven't surfaced because a) Obama has some class and isn't going to bring down a fellow Dem and hand the GOP a campaign strategy if by some miracle she should win (YOUR candidate should take note) and b) The GOP consider her irrelevant right now - why? Because OBAMA IS WINNING.

Yeah, the GOP is blowing smoke about who they would rather run against but it is a bunch of crap. If they were really interested in running against Obama because he is easier, you WOULD be seeing a lot this stuff come out. But. You. Aren't.

Neither of you know what your talking about.

Do some research.

THEN

Go ask your parents.

nuff said.

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Amen.

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Republicans are whiners.

Wait a minute...let me get this straight...Are you saying that the ...ahem...RepublicNational Committee whining that the...ahem...DemocratNational Committee has commissioned an ad based on what warmogering McCain actually said, but the RNC feel prejudiced against? Bunch of whiners all! Good work Howard!

WHAT'S THE BEEF? DID THE RNC FILE A PATENT ON THESE TYPES OF ADS? JUST TELL ME, CAN I GET COPIES OF THE RNC LETTERS TO FRAME?

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What's the McCain campaign going to do about it, sic the FEC on the Internets? In the meantime hopefully the Streisand Effect takes hold.

the RNC is a bunch o' WACKADOODLES!!!

How dare the DNC study a reality created by a Republican without accepting the Republican Empire's right to create newer realities. Just because John McCain said these words doesn't mean he SAID them.

Now do you see guys why you need to Unite!!! Because disunity is one thing you do not need my Republican Bretheren will destroy you all this fall if you let them.They will use Nafta,Iraq,Rev Wright shall I continue?Don`t throw away the best chance in almost 20yrs to regain the White House.
If you do not stand up to them you will LOSE!!!

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It doesn't matter what context you look at the 10-year comment in...McSame is talking oil & empire...


Saying that McCain supports 100 years of war is clearly false and misleading based on what he actually said. This quote and the truth about it has been in the news for quite some time. Using it now does appear to be in poor taste and unethical. Unless the Democrats are suggesting that patently false ads are now okay to run, they should stop. There is no justification for stooping to lies.

Matthew
http://www.TheIndependentView.com

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I am sorry Matthew, he said he wouldn't mind being in Iraq for 100 years if Americans stopped dying. Why would he want to stay in Iraq for 100 years after the country is peaceful. There is only one reason, he wants to steal Iraqi oil. Make no mistake, the doddering old fool wants the US to create a resource empire--sort of like the old British empire. He wants to steal Iraqi oil. Trust me we would be better advised to use our remaining resources developing alternative energy.

Do you think for a minute that the Iraqis are ever going to accept a permanent US occupation? If you do, you are delusional. If we are in Iraq for 100 years we will lose troops every year, some years more, some years less, but Iraq will never be completely quiet.

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Out of context? This from the same people who shoved the Wright out of context sound bite loop down our throats? Rich, really rich.

As long as we have to listen to GOPers claiming that Obama is "too extreme for (your state)," I couldn't care less if the ad claimed McCain buggered young boys. What are we to do? Go dark and let shit happen? Yeah, that works really well. Ask President Dukakis how that went.

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"Saying that McCain supports 100 years of war is clearly false and misleading based on what he actually said."

Same with saying Obama agrees with Wright.

But while the media doesn't seem interested in McCain's real meaning in ANYTHING he says, they sure seem determined to put Wright's words in Obama's mouth.

If you are so wont to forgive Mccain for the words he personally uttered, why are you so bent on blaming Obama for Wright's words?

Seems a bit hypocritical to give McCain a bye for his own ambiguous statements, then turn around and stomp all over Obama for someone else's words.

Unless you are a Republican and you just see things from that point of view...

Another clear example of the mendacity and worse, stupidity, endemic to the Loony Left "progressives".
The ad clearly and grossly misrepresents what McCain said and meant. IT IS A LIE!
But hey, the DNC put it up so that makes it OK right?
All it actually does is remove any moral standing the Dems had remaining in the ad wars.
What did Wright warn about reaping?
It is just like Obama running his campaign of lies and racial politics while smearing his opponents with his own sins.
Thank God for MadMan Wright.
He is showing America the truth behind Obama's lies and in so doing puts the lie to the airy fairy claims of America's useless Left.
Thank you Wright, but the only people God is going to damn are those ghetto hustlers Hussein and Shaniqua, sending them back to their ghetto fabulous life in their Chicago manse.
And then Hussein and Shaniqua can get Oprah to throw a party to paint their crack house White in consolation.


You are a dumbass. Go hang out on townhall.com, they are more like your type over there.

BS--No "lie" there. Just hear McCain's words and read his lips. The ad is truthful and accurate, and frightening to Republican supporters trying to obscure the real issues. McCain's foreign policy is a fair and square area to be debated and a critical factor in deciding the next President. I know what he means; he and Bush want the US to occupy Iraq indefinitely. Voters should be made aware of McCain's position, and this ad helps. I do not agree with that policy as do 70% of Americans. You are free to agree with him and Bush.

In the mean time, you should return to Town Hall and join the discourse over there. Hugh Hewitt has some great threads going on Pastor Wright, Ayers, Rezko and bitter flag pins. I am sure you will agree these will have a profound effect on your life and deserve serious debate.

Read his lips.

I like that.

Wow. Racist much?

Desperately whining Repugs -- I love it! LOL

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shorter JHTB: "wahhhh!!!! snif! damn, now i got tear stains on my hood!"

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shorter JTHB: "wahhhh!!!! snif! damn, now i got tear stains on my hood!"

What the DNC should be saying to the RNC and McSame: Bring it on, assholes!

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Heh.

I especially love the whining about how the ad is "misleading" and "distorts McCain's words."

Oh yeah, not being "misleading" or "inaccurate" or even "a big fat stinking lie" has been the standard for GOP ads over the years, the line they would not cross. Just ask John Kerry about his self-inflicted wounds in Vietnam.

And others here, please note who above have waded in to cry foul over this horrendous treatment of the GOP nominee in quoting his own words. Why, I do declare, it's our own agents of "Project Chaos" who have been here fluffing Hillary for lo these many weeks.

Tools.

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Wow, it is enlightening to see the trolls who pretended to be for Hillary [like Weaver] suddenly get all huffy in defending and repeating the lies and empty depravity of the GOP.

McCain wants the US to stay in Iraq indefinitely, effectively forever. That much is true.

The logic, such as it is, goes as follows. If troops are getting killed, they need to stay in order to try not to get killed so much. If they're not getting killed, they need to stay to keep the peace. Either way, the troops stay. Indefinitely. Effectively forever.

The ad makes it clear, by using McCain's own words. Run the ad. Indefinnitely. Effectively forever, until the troops come home.

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My lawyer brain wants to explode.

The ad is illegal because it is misleading? Other than claims about drugs that don't pass FDA muster, when is misleading speech illegal?

There was DNC and campaign collusion? Proven by the fact that people from each held meetings about something? That's guesswork. It's like guessing that because McCain had conversations with Rumsfeld, he colluded on Abu Ghraib. It's an argument that would get laughed out of court.

Of course, my Democratic brain loves the smell of RNC desperation in the morning.

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Actually the RNC's objection is that the ads is based on truth and accuracy.

Apparently, they believed that American politics had moved beyond this tactic. They pointed to HRC's campaign for proof of their point of view.

Nice.

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Heh.

I especially love the whining about how the ad is "misleading" and "distorts McCain's words."

Oh yeah, not being "misleading" or "inaccurate" or even "a big fat stinking lie" has been the standard for GOP ads over the years, the line they would not cross. Just ask John Kerry about his self-inflicted wounds in Vietnam.

And others here, please note who above have waded in to cry foul over this horrendous treatment of the GOP nominee in quoting his own words. Why, I do declare, it's our own agents of "Project Chaos" who have been here fluffing Hillary for lo these many weeks.

Tools.

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Oops. The comment system is on crack.

Kinda like the faux Hillary trolls here.

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I suppose we could just ask John McCain what he meant when he said it would be fine with him if American Troops were in Iraq for 100 years?

If he means 100 years of peace and prosperity in Iraq, then he needs to tell us if he believes the current situation is peaceful? And how soon does he believe it will become peaceful, and how does he intend to make it peaceful?

The ad is effective, and for that reason the RNC is pissing itself trying to get it pulled.

McCain represents such an out of touch view of the Middle East, it is scary. If you saw Dean on "Meet The Press" Sunday he hammered the point home pretty good. He asked who among those watching actually beleived that Americans could be in Iraq for 100 years and not be suicide bombed, attacked, etc.? There is no running away from that comment, and it should be McCain's albatross from here on in.

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Ooooooo - funsies!

The Republicans sure know how to whine. :)

and we better get used to it cause we're going to hear nothing but whining for years while they languish in the minority and out of power.

My bet is the RNC lawyer letters are not about this ad. They probably know that making a stink about this one will just get it more coverage on cable news, especially since they don't have a legal or moral leg to stand on.

They're playing the ref, hoping to slow the next ad and the one after that, and generate sympathy coverage for their man, the former press favorite.

I hope the MSM is sufficiently embarassed about their performance over the last decade and doesn't fall for the same crap that's put them in such low regard. They need to keep their lights focused on McSame's pandering, flip-flops, and nutty pronouncements-- like 100 more years.

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i'm willing to give mcCain the benefit of the doubt. i'll bet he wouldn't want to stay in iraq more than 50 years if americans were getting killed every day.

Just how illiterate are these republicans, no where does it say anything about a 100 year war.
I guess fox news has really had its affect, they seem not to know how to understand something without a talking point. Keep up the whining, the louder they shout the more attention they draw to the ad. They are so predictable, acting like 2yr olds who can't have their way. Got to love it!!!
Cry babies, cry!!!!!!!

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But, but, but doncha know that only the GOP is allowed to run negative ads? Karl works for the MSM now at multiple media- Fox News, the WSJ and Newsweek. He can stick barbs in the Dems all he wants and it's considered news.
Are they going to hire a trial lawyer to litigate this? According to GOP dogma, trial lawyers are all Democrats.

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This is too funny! So much for Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos"!
If you can't stand the heat boys.....

Nice to see the Obama "new politics" crowd here celebrating a Democrat ad which intentionally misrepresents McCain's words. It clearly shows what a bunch of lying phonies these people are.

Are you thinking that McCain will not be held accountable for his support of Bush's fialed strategy of the invasion and continued and indefinite occupation of Iraq? Dream on. Some of us consider this a major 2008 election issue (as opposed to flag lapel pins).

Be assured that you will be watching every 2008 Repub candidate who has ever been photographed with Bush appearing their president on similar political ads. It's a matter of accountability.

No, I just thought that all this talk about hope, non-partisanship and new politics amounted to more than running lying campaign ads. My mistake entirely.

So what part of the ad's content would you characterize as a "lie"?

The part where the ad intentionally tells the viewer that McCain wants to remain in Iraq for 100 years of more warfare. As I assume you know, McCain spoke of 100 years of presence after the fighting was mainly over and when our troops would be safe there. Like in S. Korea. And you can see for yourself that the ad simply pulls the words about 100 years out of the sentence in which McCain spoke them, and shows video of violence in Iraq. That is, the ad is saying that McCain wants 100 more years of that kind of violence and fighting.

For illustration, I'll pull the words "the new Democratic ad...is illegal" out of Eric's article at the top. Now, clearly that is not how Eric used those words, and if I ran around claiming that Eric said that the ad is illegal by citing just those words out of context, then I would be intentionally misrepresenting the truth.

Remember how outraged most of us were at the Bush lies and distortions he used to justify his Iraq invasion? Well, this Democratic ad is doing the same kind of thing. As a matter of fact, it probably strays farther from objective truth than anything the Bushies told us about Iraq and WMD.

"Warfare" is your term. The term is not used in the ad. I assume that the violence and fighting depicted in the ad are what you define as "warfare"? Are you certain that such violence and fighting will not persist for as long as we are in Iraq, even after we have "won" the "war"? If you took the full context of McCain's statement, I am still left with the unanswered question as to what he would do if the violence and fighting do not abate. Would he then finally pull out so that no more American troops are killed? Or, do we just keep fighting the war?

The ad obviously is an effective one and achieves it's goal of bringing McCain's Iraq policy front and center. I would suggest that McCain run his own counter ad explaining what he intended by his remarks along with his rationale and, finally, what "winning" in Iraq means in clear and measurable terms.

Ok, I'll make this simple. You say you've read the full context of what McCain said. So tell me where he said that he wants to remain there for 100 years, even if there is violence, bombing, killing, warfare, whatever you want to call it. Call it bad-hair days, it doesn't matter. We all know what violence is and what dead American soldiers are.

So again, tell me where McCain said he wants to keep up the current anti-insurgency for 100 years, replete with all the violence and danger to our troops. If you can't tell me where he said that, then you are admitting that the ad is a lie because that is what the ad is telling us.

I realize you will want to change the subject to the question of how long McCain wants to stay in Iraq if the violence continues. Then I ask you, is putting out a lie of an ad the way to address that issue?

If the GOPers cannot take the heat, they had better stay out of the kitchen.

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At this point, it seems best for us Dems to accept we have 2 candidates for now and to focus all our attention towards McCain and his weaknesses.

Nice to see McCitizen supporting the progressive blogs, yet despite it all your arguments are cut and paste. Even the name, stolen from a large restaurant chain, is ironic based on its serving and fattening up the mindless masses who cling to lies and fantasy.

FYI, the only words I've cut and paste are the actual full quotes from John McCain. I'm not bragging. I'm not a genius. But it doesn't take genius to simply read McCain's full quote, and see that pulling 2 or 3 words out of context and putting them in a completely different context is a lie. Speaking of which, I keep reading the demographics of how Obama supporters are "well-educated", but I'm starting to wonder if "well-trained" wouldn't be more accurate.

I wonder if the RNC lawyers have come to talk with TPM yet? The TPM people are running the ad non-stop and it's great.

At any rate, what McCain said was actually WORSE than his frist saying that we should be at war for 100 years in Iraq, as Think Progess says:

The point is it’s American casualties. We’ve go to get American’s off the frontlines, have the Iraqis as part of the strategy, take over more and more of the responsibilities, and then I don’t think Americans are concerned if we’re there for one hundred years or a thousand years or ten thousand years.

McCain is loose cannon isn't he? Because this bit where we want Iraq to supposedly have freedom but only want Iraqis to get killed trying to sort out our shock and awe created anarchy just screams that we are there ONLY for their oil.

This is why Bush doesn't like Iran having any say in Iraq, because Iranians are tell Iraqis that they don't need to do business with Western oil contractors. This is why Bush/Cheney wants to do an aerial bombing campaign over Iran, in pure Bush adminstration style bulling threats over US business interest.

McCain knows this war is about oil, and that is why he wants an 100 year occupation in Iraq. This is why McCain jumped on the bandwagon, calling France our foe, because France was very upset that the Bush administration voided out France's oil contracts with the war in Iraq and with killing Saddam to achieve the dissolving of any foreign contract competition.

This war is about oil...as McCain says, and then I don’t think Americans are concerned if we’re there for one hundred years or a thousand years or ten thousand years.

Bush and McCain don't care if Iraqis every get a democratic government or not, or if they kill each other or not, ONLY if we stay there a 100 years to guard that oil for US business interest. And Americans ARE concern about that, and thus shows that Republicans are running out of lies to tell Americans, this war is about oil and McCain now believes that fighting wars for oil is okay with MOST Americans.

Iraq has got to tell the US to leave, if they fight and die - why the hell are we there letting them die while we take their oil, sorry I don't think Iraqis signed up for that cost in blood and no money, no resources.

Does anybody hear what McCain is saying - it's awful.

God I hate these rat bastards!

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So, was it in 2006, or will it be in 2008, that we kick those soft Republican teeth down those whiney Republican throats?

(Where is George Allen when they need him?)

I think it's already a done deal, or they would not be so desperate to keep the sordid truth off the little screen.

Can we do a retroactive class action lawsuit for the Harold Ford "call me" ads?

It is that flip mouth that makes McCain utterly unfit to be the President of the United States. He simply does not think before he speaks. Imagine the press core trying to deduce which words coming out of McCain's mouth are to be taken literally, which quotes are fair game? Do we need a special sarcastic to regular English translator through which he'll speak our Allies?

McCain cannot pass the say what you mean, McCain, mean what you say, straight talk express test.

Obama will crush McCain in November.

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If the numbers of new voters he is bringing in every day is any indicator, your prediction may be prescient...

Hillary's pulling some fence-sitters down off the rail to her side, but she is not signing up the hordes of new voters that Obama and his people are attracting. At best she is getting some short-term Republican help due to Rush's ill-fated manipulations.

Obama's street machine brings NEW voters into this process in historic numbers.

And that is something Democrats need to regard more highly than they have.

Because after the primaries are over, there is still mfour months to campaign, and if the past is any indicator of the future, Obama's ground support will swell even larger with new voters, bent on boosting these neocons and their hijacked Republican party from power, tootsweet...

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"All it actually does is remove any moral standing the Dems had remaining in the ad wars."

Well, then, bring em on!

If the election rules are out the window (with no FEC quorum, this is tantamount to it) then lets cut loose with some really nasty stuff, if the R's think we can't think up trash worse that they can, I repeat, BRING EM' ON!

As for future lawsuits, considering they will likely be filed after the 111th is seated, it might be wise for the R's to be very careful what they demand in terms of election integrity, because they may just get it, across the board.

And that would make life very hard for Rove, Mehlman, Gillespie and the rest of the Republican garbage-ad staff. When everyone gets to cheat, it ruins everything for them, because they can only win if only THEY can cheat.

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