Report: Troops In Iraq Like Obama
So who are the troops stationed in Iraq supporting in the presidential election back home? ABC News interviewed a bunch of them and found that some of them appear to like Barack Obama.
This is hardly a scientific survey, obviously, but more of the troops who spoke to ABC had nice things to say about Obama than about either Hillary or McCain. For some reason they seem to like the fact that Obama is promising to bring them home. As PFC Jeremy Slate put it, "That would be nice -- I'd like to be home, yeah."
Hillary, too, is promising to end the war, and one of the soldiers interviewed voiced support for her.
But as Will Bunch smartly notes, not a single troop interviewed even mentioned that dude who happens to be running as the GOP nominee -- i.e., John McCain.
Go figure.















I'm shocked, shocked to hear that the troops don't want to stay in Iraq for 100 years with John McCain!
April 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have backup for this, so it is anecdotal for everyone else, but months ago I started reading and hearing the same thing - that a majority of the rank and file were supporting Obama.
I wish I could remember where I heard that but I don't now, so this comment is great for me personally. It reinforces what I already had heard. It doesn't work for everyone, I know, and I wish I could fix that.
This was exactly what I wanted to hear, so that I knew I hadn't just dreamed the other up. There might have been some little back page story in the Dallas paper - there are a lot of Texans in Iraq.
But I'm not sure that was it, darn it.
I do not recall to this day seeing the results from Iraq in '04. I hope their votes actually make it into the count this time. After all, they are only over there getting their asses shot off.
April 8, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This probably doesn't help you much, but I am positive I heard a similar report a few months ago. It said the majority of registered troops are still Republican, but Obama was the overall favorite. I think it was an AP wire story, but I'm not certain.
April 8, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that Senator Obama won a large majority of votes from the overseas military. I remember a story about it around the same time the overall ex-pat votes were being published. It's possible all those votes were combined into one total for all Americans abroad, but I do remember something specific about the military votes, and they were overwhelmingly for Senator Obama.
April 8, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama leads in contributions from active-duty troops and Iraq war veterans. By far.
April 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw that ABC News report as well. Actually, three of the soldiers interviewed expressed support for Obama, and two of them for Hillary, and one for McCain. And the way they chose soldiers from the crowd to stick a mike in front of looked extremely random. To draw any conclusion that the troops prefer Obama from that news story is not possible.
And I believe one of the Hillary supporters also mentioned coming home.
April 8, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the best news out of this is that, even if un-scientific, it seems most of the troops they spoke to were supportive of getting out of Iraq, which means hopefully they'll support whoever gets the dem nod for the November election. Remember, McCain is the *real* enemy here! :)
April 8, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 8, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
My uncle was a pretty hard core conservative before he fought in Iraq.
He's an Obama supporter now.
April 8, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
months ago, obama was getting the second highest campaign contributions of all the candidates, with paul way out in front.
April 8, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't surprise this vet.
Vet's like to hear plans for military servicemen getting healthcare. They like hearing about making sure vets have enough equipment to survive in a war zone. They like pay increases too.
They also like the idea of seeing their children grow up, instead of being stuck 3,000-8,000 miles away every other year. They like the idea of a guy being in charge who would not go into Iran needlessly.
Also, remember that the service is a pretty diverse organization. I believe that most of the service, primarily in enlisted ranks, has a 55-25-20 split along racial lines (white-black-hispanic) or roundabout those figures. Officers, not so much.
Of course, the NCO corps is extremely diverse, with a large number of those Soldiers coming from minority groups in this country, some much so that I think the enlisted ranks are minority/majority. I don't have the link immediately available for the figures from DOD, but I recall (anecdotally and otherwise) that was certainly the case in my unit.
Only the Officer Corps remains predominantly white-majority.
April 8, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, but, McCain says the army is the most equal-opportunity employer EVER!
April 8, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, in a way it is. In the combat arms units like the one I served in, the racial split was at least as diverse as what AngryVet describes, if not more so. And intergration happened when the military was ordered to desegregate in 1951 out of the necessity to find more troops for the Korean War.
Now obviously there are some negative racial implications to the fact that minorities make up a larger proportion of combat units than they do of the population at large, but the net positive in my eyes, is that in such units what matters most is whether the person in the foxhole with you can do their job, not so much the color of their skin. And this holds true when it comes time for promotions too. None of this is to say that there aren't racial tensions in the military, there are, but there's also the opportunity to move beyond them and that does happen.
April 8, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm positive of that and I don't know the percentages, but I know there is a huge number of Hispanics serving. You can't drive through rural New Mexico without seeing a service flag on just about every other house, and the pueblo Indians have joined in large numbers, compared to the overall number of pueblo Indians.
(I know Native American is correct, but I've found with the Indians whom I know, that Indian is not offensive.)
April 8, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. Just not 100% certain on it. It's close to 50% white, 50% non-white...
April 8, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw the piece last night and found it surprising as well. First, because with these anecdotal pieces, the media usually bends over backwards to make it even between candidates. There were definitely more pro-Obama people, and they even left the impression that there were others who didn't make it to camera.
Partially I'm wondering if it's a function of the generation like everyone else in the country -- young people are drawn to Obama and his message, and the vast majority of those in our military are under 35. (Though I did love seeing that older woman grin and say "Obama" when asked who she was supporting.)
April 8, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems, especially with ABC, that the networks do these stories with the intent of finding "conservative" opinions. They go into a small town diner, or military barracks, or better yet, into a VFW hall to find out what "real people" are saying. (No, I'm not saying these aren't real people, just saying that's the impression these stories give. Of course we know they aren't all the "real people.")
I bet they were expecting a lot of McCain support for this story. Might have searched for a while before giving up.
April 8, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
But the radical right spew they are all gop.
"Obama Holds First Committee Meeting Before Petraeus Hearing":
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/08/obama-holds-first-committ_n_95593.html
But he is a forign policy expert. No need for hearings.
Yeah, give him a free pass on this outrage too.
April 8, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I move this be redacted for germaneness (except for the first sentence).
April 8, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am rolling on the floor laughing here - if you are outraged by a committee hearing, you must spend your entire life in a state of outrage.
LOLOLOLOL!!!! Yes yes - Congressional committee hearings! My god, when will Americans wake up and realize the danger they are!!!!!!
April 8, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
April 8, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
It may seem counterintuitive, but it's not actually terribly surprising.
It's the officer corps that has, over the past few decades, grown increasingly politically conservative. I'm sure that if you surveyed currently serving officers, you'd find support for McCain predominant.
But think for a moment about our nation's military. The average age of an active-duty service member is about 25 - in the reserve, it's closer to 33. All the services are predominantly male. Service members are disproportionately members of minority groups, and the average household incomes both of the homes in which they grow up and of those in which they presently live are below the national medians.
Given all of those demographic factors, what's most surprising about the military is that the enlisted ranks aren't overwhelmingly Democratic. The best study of this stuff is Feaver and Kohn's "Soldiers and Civilians." Studies compiled in the book use data (mostly from the 1990s) to show that the senior brass splits about 62-10%, Republican/Democratic. Those entering the military who expected to be officers showed a less dramatic skewing, typically self-identifying as Republicans or Conservatives 5-15% more frequently than a similar cohort of civilians, or than their peers entering the enlisted ranks. Those numbers went up as they spent more time in the military. And the enlisted population broadly mirrored the split within society as a whole.
So let's think about that for a moment. We've got a population that's largely composed of young men. It's heavily minority. And it (anecdotally) supports Obama? Who'd have thunk it?
April 8, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks everyone who tried to remind me of where I'd heard that - I bet I read it in more than one place. The Dallas News will pick things up off the wire and publish them somewhere deep inside like page A11, halfway down and over toward the seam...
But if it comes to that - the Dallas News was reporting the very real concern the military has for the record number of military suicides since the war started very early on. Small, buried wire stories, and then it got more publicity.
But this still doesn't get the publicity it should. Those people are casualties just as surely as those killed in action.
April 8, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is right and the worst branch for being rabidly conservative is the Air Force. That was calculated - I know it was - that's why Dobson and rest moved into Colorado Springs.
It produced some hair-raising results - generals in Iraq with the fire of Christian redemption in their eyes. Oy oy oy!!!!!
April 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Our recent Democratic county convention included several active-duty military men and women (from Fort Hood) who were enthusiastic Obama delegates. These included people who had served multiple tours in Iraq.
April 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink