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Report: Mark Penn Met With Colombian Ambassador To Talk Trade
In what could become Hillary Clinton's own version of the NAFTA-Gate controversy that caused Barack Obama so much trouble a month ago, top Clinton strategist Mark Penn reportedly met on Monday with the Colombian ambassador to discuss a bilateral free-trade deal — something his candidate has publicly opposed.
In a case study on the dangers of wearing too many hats, Penn's attendance was in his capacity as the head of his lobbying firm Burson-Marsteller Worldwide. Expect the Obama camp to hit Clinton for this on at least two angles: Hypocrisy on trade, and having as her top strategist a lobbyist for a foreign government.
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A surprise to no one: Mark Penn is an idiot.
April 4, 2008 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody is suprised. The candidate who claims to be 'ready on day one' is cought unawares again.
April 4, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton Campaigner in Cahoots with Colombian Corruptian!!!
April 4, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is like Tom Brady’s mom being the line judge in the Super Bowl.
Also, this must be considered excellent news!! for hillary!! considering it comes on the same day she is to release her tax returns. So not only is her campaign strategist lobbying on behalf of foreign governments, we are to discover that the Clintons are filthy rich and possibly the proud owners of offshore accounts.
Yet still, in the face of an endless stream of information proving otherwise, she casts herself as a re-imagined coal miner’s daughter and fighter for the working class. But considering that a number of her supporters still believe Obama to be a Muslim, I guess it's no surprise they'd eat the whole worm on this one, too.
April 4, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's also worth noticing that Colombian President Uribe has attacked Senator Obama in Bogota's paper, El Tiempo, “I deplore that Senator Obama, aspiring to be president of the US, ignores Colombia’s efforts.” The efforts Uribe was referring to was the public relations campaign to improve Colombia’s deserved reputation as the hemisphere’s worst abuser of human rights, particularly as they apply to workers and unions.
Senator Obama cites the labor violations and human rights abuses as a part of his opposition to the trade deal with Colombia.
Even though Senator Clinton shares Obama's opposition to the trade deal with Colombia, it's interesting that Uribe didn't attack her for her opposition. It shows that Uribe thinks that Clinton wouldn't oppose any trade deals with Colombia in the White House, while Obama would likely oppose trade deals without environmental and labor protections in the White House.
Link to Uribe's denunciation of Obama's stance can be found here:
http://www.eltiempo.com/economia/02deabrilde2008/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-4067845.html
Also, Bill Clinton has a friendship with President Uribe to the extent that he was invited as the honoree of the "Colombia Is Passion" award. Bill Clinton returned the favor by hosting Uribe as a “featured attendee” at the Clinton Global Initiative annual meeting in New York last September.
More information can be found at Al Giordiano's report here:
http://narconews.com/Issue52/article3055.html
April 4, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well hot damn, flufferwink, what you just did there was amazing. You compiled interesting and releveant information, then presented it clearly and reasonably. Almost like a real journalist.
Is it just me or is the quality on the front page of TPM just leaps and bounds better than the Election Central section? Now, I hate to be a naysayer, but frankly, it is kind of ridiculous when reader comments (like flufferwink's here) are simply more informative and better written than the posts from the hired guns.
Anyway, enough of my rant. Thanks again, flufferwink!
April 4, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're welcome. I sincerely hope TPM takes a deeper look at this.
April 4, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Readers' feedback is an essential part of the way TPM operates. That was the basis of the Polk award. No need to rant.
April 4, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second on both counts. Nice job flufferwink.
April 4, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
In Colombia as in Kazakhstan, Frank Giustra always air taxies Bill Clinton and gets that special access to leaders.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040308R.shtml
April 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and all in the name of charity.
April 4, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent comment! You should post this on your reader blog so more people can see it. Hoorah!!!
April 4, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uribe would favor the candidate who refuses to talk to the president of neighboring Venezuela.
April 4, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amazing.
This campaign not only suffers from tone-deafness, its own message-maker isn't even listening to himself.
Whose rhetoric is just words? Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.
April 4, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lets watch to see how much of the mainstream media discusses this BIG story. Somehow I'm betting it will get very little coverage.
A least not as much as the Nafta story got.
April 4, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect! Absolutely perfect!
Just wait until workers in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana learn that Hillary's chief political advisor is strategizing about how to make it easier for corporations to move jobs out of the U.S. and into a country that doesn't just bust unions -- they murder union organizers in cold blood.
The fact that Hillary couldn't see this coming from miles away -- when even many of her staff could -- speaks volumes about an ethical and moral blind spot that voters should beware of.
Keep in mind that, speaking of moral and ethical blind spots, even George W. Bush recognized it would be a conflict of interest for Karl Rove to keep his consulting business while working on Bush's 2000 campaign. He made Rove sell his interest in the company. Why Hillary wouldn't have made the same demand of Penn -- in fact, why should would hire him at all given his obvious incompetence -- is beyond me. Maybe Penn has something on the Clintons.
April 4, 2008 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Typo (wish I could edit my comments): Should read: "why SHE would hire him at all..."
April 4, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why Hillary wouldn't have made the same demand of Penn...
Because, Moose49, and I know this is hard to take, either Dubya was smarter or more ethical than Hillary. Or both.
How sad is that?
April 4, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I just think she thought it wouldn't matter, and everyone would simply bow down and give her the nomination.
I hate to say it, bit I honestly think she looked at the Bush model, envied it, and did her best to adopt it in her White House run. I'm making an honest effort to tempter my opinion of Clinton, and not demonize her or her supporters, but that one to me seems pretty self-evident.
April 4, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is some unfortunate timing, Mr. Penn.
April 4, 2008 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just in case anyone was wondering - this is how a Clinton White House would be run.
April 4, 2008 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Conflicts of interest.
This is a theme song that also plays in terms of the clintons as a couple. That's what bothers me about the clinton candidacy, all the conflicts of interest at play. And surrounding yourself with people like that. (That's the problem with a McCain presidency as well...)
Glad this is coming to the fore. Hope it gets a big play. And that the wider issue of "conflicts of interest" is looked at - a former president, campaigning to get a spouse into the office he held, so he can get the "access" for his clients, etc.
April 4, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
April 4, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Roll around in shit, stink to high heaven.
April 4, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Act like a Dumb Sh*t and they will treat you as an equal.
April 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a belly laugh out loud story. I have to drink some water to prepare for the laughter that will ensue as I read Hillary's supporters try to explain why this is all good.
April 4, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a belly laugh out loud story. I have to drink some water to prepare for the laughter that will ensue as I read Hillary's supporters try to explain why this is all good.
April 4, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a belly laugh out loud story. I have to drink some water to prepare for the laughter that will ensue as I read Hillary's supporters try to explain why this is all good.
April 4, 2008 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is it.
The final nail.
Mark Penn has been a disaster from beginning to end, literally.
From his 10-state, top down strategy to his incessant and insidious press releases having no basis is reality, to this.
This is it.
The final nail.
April 4, 2008 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Disaster is almost an understatement. Even Clinton supporters hate this guy; I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to defend this guy, everytime you mention something he has done, you can just feel the groan of displeasure and disbelief from her supporters. He has to to be the worst mistake the Clinton campaign has made....and that's saying a lot.
April 4, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Colombia’s deserved reputation as the hemisphere’s worst abuser of human rights, particularly as they apply to workers and unions."
In fact, 40 trade unionists were murdered in Colombia in 2007 alone -- more than any other country in the world. In addition, trade unionists received 201 death threats last year. And Hillary Clinton's top political strategist thinks we should be cutting trade deals with a country like this?
April 4, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
For someone who values loyalty so highly, it's ironic (perhaps telling) that Hillary can not see Penn's loyalty for what it really is.
He is not loyal to her, but loyal to money.
Lesson to Hillary: you get what you pay for.
April 4, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because I'm not sure Penn is that stupid, I'll float this theory, purely conjectural and just for kicks:
He sees the campaign going down. He's owed a lot of money and is probably starting to realize he's never going to see it. His association with the Clinton campaign isn't looking like the going concern it once did. Reports, at least, of very hard feelings among the major players in the campaign. Maybe this is him slamming the door on his way out . . .
April 4, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
bdh, that's an excellent and plausible theory. Except I think Penn actually is that stupid. Remember, he's a purported pollster who repeatedly argued that 2008 is NOT a change election.
April 4, 2008 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was thinking the same thing. Otherwise it would just be an incredibly stupid thing for him to do. He may simply see more of a future in lobbying for Columbia than working on the Clinton campaign.
It will be very interesting to see how Hillary handles this. Any competent manager would have him out the door without blinking.
Is this the end of Penn for the Hillary campaign?
April 4, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lets hope not, they'd be doing a helluva lot better without his anchor tied to their ship!
April 4, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Totally concur: that's its real import. Is this not a big signal to HRC funders: Penn sees HRC's race as sufficiently doomed that it makes sense to him now, net/net, to risk this near-term opprobrium in order to assure future Burson Marsteller business? This should resonate loud and clear with HRC funders: Penn is actively moving to Plan B. They should keep their wallets closed...
April 4, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or he is trying to get more money from Columbia on the basis of the fact that he still has the ear of a potential POTUS, a la Jack Abramoff. After all, once she loses the nomination and goes back to being "just a senator", he loses some of his competitive advantage over other lobbying firms.
April 4, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not so sure. With the B-M Worldwide connection to the McCain campaign, their bets are pretty well hedged on the '08 cycle.
Like all other matters, they're hoping the low-information voter base will never hear anything of this, or if they do, they won't be able to make the connections required to see why it's a bit of damning info.
April 4, 2008 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is this what we can expect from Senator Clinton's judgment and experience? Will this cause Sen. McCain to reconsider having lobbyists as his top advisors? If Sen. Obama doesn't win the Presidency, what we get will really be the fault of all of us.
April 4, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting theory bdh.
Let's compile that with the rest of what we know:
Other Hillary supporters saying she must win the Popular vote (and therefore PA by large margin)
Hillary campaign running recycled 3 am ad against... McCain.
Could this be the end? I can only hope.
April 4, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, so it's okay for a white candidate to double talk but when Obama's advisor does, he gets pounded by the press and loses primaries. How hypocritical.
April 4, 2008 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think it's racial. At all, actually. I think it's a matter of expectations. Everyone expects Hillary to lie.
April 4, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, I don't see the race angle having anything to do with this story.
April 4, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think it's racial.
It's not racism but Hillarism.
April 4, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also, there's a Wall Street Journal that gives a deeper look into the connection between Bill Clinton and Colombian President Uribe:
http://colhrnet.igc.org/newitems/June07/Uribe_in_DC_0604.html
April 4, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
"President Uribe is jetting back to Washington to lobby for the votes of conservative Democrats and members of the Hispanic and black caucuses Thursday."
Is it kosher for the another country's president to poke his nose and campaign in the US elections ?
April 4, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
No.
April 4, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am curious how Team Clinton will respond to this story, if at all.
Her best option is to fire Penn publicly and denounce CAFTA. But, this is troublesome because it will not only highlight the story more, but also be billed as a campaign shake-up story, too.
The next option is to just denounce CAFTA publicly, but then she still would have to explain why Penn is working for her and the story hangs around for a while. Journalists may also start to look into what other things Penn and his firm are lobbying for, too.
The last option is to ignore it and hope it goes away. This is what I would suspect her campaign to do. It'll be interesting if journalists will come to do more vetting of Penn and his firm.
April 4, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cool :-)
April 4, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Flufferwink, man, you are on top of this! You need to write a diary to post on the sidebar or post something at DailyKos or something.
April 4, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course Hillary is not responsible for everything Penn does. However, she did hire the guy.
The main consequence for Democrats is that, if Hillary succeeds in getting the nomination, Democrats can forget about attacking McCain for handing his campaign over to lobbyists. McCain and Hillary will be tied on that issue and the question of lobbyist influence as a drag on democracy will leave the campaign.
April 4, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know. Don't count on the MSM to run with this. I couldn't find it at all on CNN. Had to really search for it on MSNBC and Time. Unless we keep pushing it, I bet it gets buried.
April 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Case in point. Even TPM has replaced this story with an Obama advisor Iraq story. Even though, in my opinion, the Penn problem is much, much worse.
April 4, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I do not see how this is suddenly a controversy or scndal. "Columbiagate!" is the cry.
I disagree. I am a litigator with a large, nationally-known law firm which happens to have a significant lobbying practice (I, however, am not in that practice area--I am a litigator and regulatory compliance expert).
Penn's firm is a lobbbying and PR firm that acts on behalf of a number of clients, one of whom--the biggest of whom, I would imagine--is Senator Clinton's campaign.
However, Penn's firm has numerous other clients. And it is not surprising that those other clients may have--likely have--different interests.
I know mine do. I have been in a meeting with a state Attorney General's office arguing until I was purple in the face that Course of Action A made the wisest choice for my client and for the AG. I have then turned around and stood before the Federal Trade Commission and argued until I was purple in the face that the FTC was stupidly thinking of pursuing Course of Action A when no one but an idiot would think that Course of Action A was a good idea, and that Couse of Action B was the preferred route of resolution.
Attorneys do this all the time. It is our job to represent each client's interest. Even if that means that one client's interest conflicts with another. We are bound by the interests of each client, and each client is, for the most part, an island of interest unto itself.
Penn is not Clinton's domestic policy advisor, in which case such a meeting would justifiably raise eyebrows and pose legitimate questions regarding Clinton's actual views. But Penn is a hired gun, a PR guy, of sorts, whose job is to sell for this particular client at this particular time her candidacy and the candidate herself to the public.
That his firm--large as it is, with many partners--should do the same thing for a different client with different interests does not concern me. He is a hired gun.
Also unsurprising is that Penn himself attended the meeting. I would imagine that if the Ambassador to Columbia was a client, the managing partner of my firm would attend any meeting with a client of such importance.
This paragraph sums it up:
I find no scandal here.
April 4, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps no scandal, but this could be embarrassing to Clinton nevertheless. The fact that they had to go public in defense of his being there is proof enough that they are sensitive to the issue. In other words, I don't see how this can help Clinton and it could hurt.
It has to do with perception and perception can either hurt or help a candidate. The perception here is that Clinton has a chief advisor who wants to play it both ways on an issue his client seems to care about.
Clinton may not be able to to cut him loose a couple of weeks before a critical primary, and keeping him on feeds the perception that she speaks with forked-tongue.
April 4, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't agree that this is not an issue. The big difference here is the Clinton campaign is no ordinary client. If Penn is successful in this job, he will have been partially responsible for electing the President of the United States. Such facts, I'm sure, are not lost on other clients of Burson-Marsteller.
If Clinton somehow pulls out a victory in this election, do you think Penn will suddenly disappear? Hell no. He will have direct access to the most powerful person in the world. You have to then ask whose interests he will be representing when he calls Hillary up on the phone.
It is about influence, and it raises IMO a serious question about Clinton's willingness to allow the influence of lobbyists to override the interests of the general public.
April 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Despite the fact that Penn has said he doesn't lobby people in person?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/19/AR2007021900972.html
He's a liar, and Hillary is a bad manager for keeping someone who actively sabotages her cause (if she really believes in it at all).
I don't trust Hillary, and this is just another reason why.
April 4, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is another post on this story.
Here is what Hillary said in Ohio:
Here is what she said:
“If you come to Ohio and you go give speeches that are very critical of NAFTA… and then we find out that your chief economic adviser has gone to a foreign government and basically done the old wink-wink – ‘Don’t pay any attention, this is just political rhetoric’ — I think that raises serious questions…
“I would ask you to look at this story and substitute my name for Sen. Obama’s name and see what you would do with this story… Just ask yourself [what you would do] if some of my advisers had been having private meetings with foreign governments.“
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=998
In Obama's case it was an unpaid advisor, in Hillary's it is the guy who make more money than anyone else in her campaign and from all reports runs it.
April 4, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS is beautiful ... in her own words ... poor Hillary is turning herself in circles so fast she has no idea which way the wind is blowing.
April 4, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
This story will get attention in the media but it will be a slow windup. It lacks natural YouTube zing but someone will create something. It needs more journalist probing for facts. It needs to find its way to workers who might be affected, which will take time. Talk radio will be where it will eventually land.
April 4, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
"A surprise to no one: Mark Penn is an idiot.
Posted by Grover M"
One has to wonder what kind of leader hires an idiot? How many idiots will populate this leaders administration? How many idiots will said leader appoint to head prominent government agencies? How many idiots will the idiots appointed to head prominent government agencies hire to work for them. And it goes on down the line until we have what we currently have, idiots everywhere you look.
I think I am going to support the person who DOESN'T hire idiots and see how that works out.
April 4, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another point -- if the labor leaders who have endorsed Hillary, like Tom Buffenbarger, Gerald McEntee and Ed McElroy, aren't on the phone to Hillary telling her, "either you fire Penn or we withdraw our endorsements," then perhaps they are the ones who will have truly earned James Carville's favorite insult: "Judas."
Admittedly, AFSCME and AFT aren't directly affected by trade deals -- though the Machinists surely are -- but solidarity ought to mean something.
April 4, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not all the MSM is ignoring this Penn story. At least ABC has Jake Tapper on it.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/hillarys-chief.html
April 4, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight, you are concerned about the deaths of 40 trade unionist in 2007? How many other Colombians were killed or kidnapped by the FARC in the past 50 years? How many lives have been shattered due to the on-going violence in Colombia? Uribe was re-elected by the Colombian people by an overwhelming margin due to his policies in the reduction of violence for ALL Colombians.
April 4, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
My take: the story will disappear.
Obama so far hasn't attacked Hillary even when the oppurtunity presented itself, and the last thing the MSM wants is to see the race end at PA.
DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE CAN SEND ALERT EMAILS, ETC TO MAY BE TALK SHOW HOSTS OR NEWSPAPERS ASKING FOR COVERAGE?
April 4, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Political karma is a bitch.
Bad day for this to break in the media, especially with the 80k jobloss report
Technically it doesn't matter because he was representing his own firm but I don't think the west PA unemployed steel workers will see it this way.
Paulette Revere or Benedict Arnold?
April 4, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps I'm missing something but is the whole contretemps re Obama and NAFTA proven? Some commenters and Eric seem to take it as a given that Obama's adviser actually did talk out of the other side of his mouth to the Canadians. I thought, given follow-up reports, that was a real matter of contention (and that, in fact, it might have been an dviser to Clinto who did that).
April 4, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for bringing this up.
Yeah, I love how Clinton got away with her NAFTA double-speak, but Obama gets blamed for something that may have not even happened, and looks like Canadian electioneering.
I wish there was a neutral news outlet that would research things like this and bring it out to the open. Hmmm, anyone know where such a site exits?
April 4, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, where is the connection? do we have a reading comprehension or just a Hillary bashing session?
The article talked about her opposition and Penn's lobbying FIRM representing the Colombians on an issue. He isn't lobbying her directly according to what is written. So in the name of clarity how is she connected, how does she fit into the firm's representation? It is afterall a business.It ONLY appears to be an oblique ref to her, so nothing there folks, move on.
TPM is wishing to see too much when there is NOTHING NADA there. You only have to be fair to see it.
April 4, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The operative phrase is "appearence of impropriety." Caesar's wife has to appear to be without sin. Having Penn in both Uribe's and Clinton's corners at the same time looks and smells fishy even if there's no quid pro quo, wink-wink-nudge-nudge, hanky panky going on. Can Hillary really say beyond a shadow of a doubt that there's no influence peddling going on here? (well, yeah, she can say it -- but do we believe it?)
April 4, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh?
Are you honestly saying this doesn't even LOOK bad?
And you'd have no problem if Obama's chief strategist did this?
Here's a hint: anytime there's a headline about Mark Penn, it's bad news for Hillary. He should have been fired, and everytime he does something stupid like this, it just reminds people of Hillary's lack of leadership.
April 4, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN finally picks up the story:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Gaining momentum!
April 4, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
heh; heh-hee!
April 4, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, snap!
CNN ends their story on Penn's incompetence with this:
Clinton has sharply criticized America's free trade agreements as she campaigns for the Democratic presidential nomination, and was particularly critical of rival Barack Obama in February when it was reported that one of his chief foreign policy advisors had suggested to a Canadian official that the Illinois senator was not as anti-free trade as he was claiming to be on the trail.
"I don't think people should come to Ohio and tell the people of Ohio one thing and then have your campaign tell a foreign government something else behind closed doors," Clinton said then. "That's the kind of difference between talk and action and that I've been pointing out in this campaign."
"I would ask you to look at that story, substitute my name for Senator Obama," she also said. "If some of my advisers had been having private meetings with foreign governments and basically saying ignore what I'm saying because it's only political rhetoric … I think it raises serious questions."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
April 4, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mark Penn is a mere professional. A gig's a gig. Doesn't matter who's hiring him. What an amazingly impartial fellow he is.
I wish I had the talent to write song parody to the tune of Tom Lehrer's "Werner Von Braun".
"A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience"
"Don't say that he's hypocritical
Say rather that he's apolitical"
Ha!!!
April 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can she afford to fire him? Can she afford not to?
April 4, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Can she afford to fire him? Can she afford not to?"
Posted by postxian
Here in Minnesota, maybe its federal, there's a law that within 24 hrs of firing someone you must pay them if they request it. Considering her finances and the amount she owes him, maybe she REALLY can't afford to fire him.
April 4, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forget Penn. What does it say about Hillary that she has turned to someone so mercenary to manage her campaign?
April 4, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please forgive me - I know it is off topic to the theme of the thread, but is the WSJ not considered MSM? Did not WSJ originally break the story?
April 4, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, why is this story about Penn not gaining any traction in the newspapers?
April 5, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink