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Polls: Obama Beating Hillary In Indiana And North Carolina
Three new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg polls show close primary races in Pennsylvania and Indiana, with Barack Obama posting a strong lead in North Carolina -- bad news for Hillary Clinton, as she at least needs good-sized wins in Pennsylvania and Indiana.
Pennsylvania
Clinton 46%, Obama 41%Indiana
Obama 40%, Clinton 35%North Carolina
Obama 47%, Clinton 34%
One caveat: Other recent polls have given Clinton the lead in Indiana, and this one might be criticized due to the higher undecided number.
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Am I first?
Obama's in the lead in Indiana! :-O!
April 15, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely not the time to take out any champagne. But I'll take it.
April 15, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's that you say, Petraeus? Move the champagne to the back of the refrigerator?
By the way, what numbnuts keeps unopened champagne in a refrigerator?
April 15, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
When will pollsters learn that this much undecided is decidedly meaningless?
April 15, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think the high undecided tells us something kinda interesting by itself. If you compare this poll to other polls, Obama's standing is virtually unmoved, it's just that for some reason for this one poll a huge block of people moved from "Clinton" to "Undecided". I wonder if we can take this to mean that there is a sizable block of Clinton supporters in Indiana who are waffling, or who are only "soft" supporters.
That 16 percent who can apparently either fall into undecided or the Clinton camp depending on how hard the pollster pushes would surely vote for Clinton if the election were held today, but they might be potentially future Obama voters if Obama can figure out how to peel them off by the time the election hits...
April 15, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the whole elitist thing:
Over the past 7 years the Clintons earned $109,000,000. That's $42,661 per day for those of you like me that Hillary is telling should be insulted.
Frankly - I'm bitter that someone who earns as much in a day as I do in a year is running down a fellow Democrat who has spent the bulk of his working career doing community development in one of the poorest and toughest neighborhoods in Chicago.
Seriously, that pisses me off.
April 15, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
But she chugs beers and shoots guns, don't you realize? It makes her just like the hard working Americans she so embodies in her value set.
That money's just a pittance.
April 15, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
O she's killing him. Just like I said this morning - she starts running a Rove campaign, pisses off just about every Democrat who is paying attention, and this is what she has to show for it.
Good job, Hillary! Yeah, you'd make a crackerjack president. I can tell.
Carl Bernstein is right about you.
April 15, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The agreement thing below is in reference to the Indiana numbers....
As for this tripe: I absolutely love it when you 'bots start accusing Clinton of being Rovian. It's so very Rovian of you.
April 15, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's just like Rove to accuse other people of being like Rove? Let's sit down and think that through slowly...
April 15, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
A veteran at a Town Hall Meeting in PA today expressed anger about Clinton's recent attacks and asked Obama if he thought Clinton's charges of elitism were "coming dangerously close to calling you uppity."
The man who asked this was white. If he's angry, one can only imagine what African-Americans are feeling about Clinton's charges. Watch for his numbers among AA to go up in the next week.
April 15, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just out of curiosity, what was his reply?
April 15, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Saw it on the NBC news. Obama said he didn't think it had anything to do with race. Then added, "It's just politics."
April 15, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then he saved Rock Ridge and the town loved him, the end.
April 15, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotta agree. 75% of the Indiana Dems have made a choice. Today.
April 15, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
HILLMENTUM!!!!
Keep chugging on that Crown Royal, Shrillary...
April 15, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Shrillary." That's about as creative as that Obama Bin Laden thing the other day. And about as funny as "Pull my finger."
April 15, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
hey hey hey hey hey, now. Pull my finger is a classic!
April 15, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know who drinks Crown Royal shots? Old men in turtlenecks smelling vaguely of menthol. And glad-handing panderers.
April 15, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, "'bots" is so original.
Tell us what it's like on Mt. Olympus?
We mere 'bots need to hear the great wisdom you can impart.
April 15, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
My jaw just dropped.
wowwww.
Obama is going to beat the living daylights out of McCain.
April 15, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Care to explain that?
Sounds to me that the Dear Leader's campaign is going to be all race, all the time. If anybody accuses him of anything, the chump and his lemmings will find some way to twist it into something racial.
Elitist = Uppity?
Race card = Loser
Chumps.
April 15, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sore loser.
April 15, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get the avatar, EastWest. It's a graphic representation of the fact that while Hillary was once inevitable, she is inevitable no mao.
April 15, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
How's that boiler room job working out for you? 5 bucks a post?
April 15, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
$5 a post?
Those stooges get paid more like $0.50 post and all the rotgut coffee you can drink.
Their model is basically the same as the telemarketers for magazines and travel packages across the hallway in rundown office buildings. Keep in mind that's also how pollsters and market researchers operate.
April 15, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you know that Hillary's canvassers in Youngstown were PAID to do it? Those of us who drove 3 states (or more) to do it for free for Obama just laffed and laffed and laffed.
Then, yeah, she beat us by ten points.
But then we did the delegate math and laffed and laffed and laffed.
April 15, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh gotalife's new sock puppet!
You can always tell with his proclivity for small sentences as paragraphs at the end of his posts.
April 15, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
lol. Ding ding ding. Good call.
April 15, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Er, um, dude? The poster wrote "The man who asked this was white." It wasn't Obama or his campaign.
In other words -- get a grip. Unlike Hillary, Obama doesn't plant questions in the audience.
April 15, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, no, no. Getagrip is gotalife's other nomme de plume.
April 15, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
LMAO. You're killing me tonight.
April 15, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama answered no.
The full story is hard to find, so no foul for not taking a look before jumping to conclusions. It was put out by some obscure source . . . a blogger I guess . . . called Associated Press. Here's a link (if it even still works!):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080415/ap_on_el_pr/obama
April 15, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any dem could just about beat the living daylights out of McCain.
April 15, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure.
Hillary will unite a very apathetic Republican base, and could make for a tight race.
April 15, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is just further evidence that the Democratic electorate wants the primary campaign over as soon as possible. While the extended campaign has certainly made Obama a better candidate and been great for expanding the ranks of the party, enough is enough already. I have yet to read one objective observer who believes that HRC will be able to catch up in the number of pledged delegates OR will be unable to convince 70% of the remaining supers to break her way. For the good of the party and her own career, HRC should gracefully suspend her campaign after Indiana and North Carolina. In the unlikely event that the Obama campaign implodes before late August, she can always swoop in as the proverbial โwhite nightโ at that time and unite the party then.
April 15, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
To catch up in pledged delegates, she'd need 404 of the remaining 568--or 65% of all available delegates. And she'd need better than 65% in Pennsylvania, because that will be her best state of the remaining set.
April 15, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I don't trust polls at all, but I certainly prefer good ones to bad ones. Perhaps I'll even turn on a political show tonight, which will be the first since Thursday. (I just don't have the stomach for pundits attacking Obama for absolutely nothing and declaring doom with voters.)
April 15, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bittergate appears to be backfiring big-time. Sen. Clinton's Hail Mary seems to have hit a ref with the football.
Even deluded dems who long ago lost the ability to know the source of their own memories couldn't keep this going with a straight face. It is utterly facinating that the reaction from Sen Clinton and Sen McCain is identical. Identical! On not just on this!
Because what Obama keeps doing is telling the truth in the form of bitter pills for some. Those who love the truth know the bitterness was put the military credit card beginning in 2000.
Now it comes due.
Pax,
M.
April 15, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if it's backfiring so much as just failing to land the desired punch. People thought about it for a few days, they listened to what the candidates had to say, and they decided that Hillary was making a big deal about nothing. So hey--free circus, and no harm done.
April 15, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your avatar is sexy.
April 15, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the "elitist" cloud is starting to show a serious silver lining for Obama. This is turning out to be a fantastic opportunity for him to highlight his middle-America, humble upbringing. I would wager that there are a whole lot of folks (that don't follow the news like the readers of this blog do), not just in Pennsylvania and Indiana, but in Kentucky and West Virginia too that assumed based on his education that Obama came from means. The ears of the common man/woman have been perked up by this "controversy" - as anyone who feels that they have been the object of ridicule would be - but what they are hearing is a lot of stuff about a guy who grew up poor and worked his way through school on his brains and sweat. As others have said, I think this may end up being a MAJOR miscalculation for Clinton.
April 15, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
These polls a BULLSHIT! There is NO WAY Hillary can lose now. Her Hillmentum is an UNSTOPPABLE FORCE. She has climbed the mountain. She is all shiny and golden and shit like that. Obama is a liar, his middle name is Hussein, his nickname is Barry, he is a Muslim, he's too inexperienced, and he won't salute the flag or wear a lapel pin. So he can't win.
April 15, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You left out some stuff. REZKO REZKO REZKO REKZO REZKO!
WRIGHT WRIGHT WRIGHT WRIGHT WRIGHT WRIGHT WRIGHT!
Obama's pastor said that Thomas Jefferson did something, somewhere, sometime that was bad, bad bad!!@#
OBAMA WON'T WEAR A FLAG PIN, that Muslim plant.
HIS FATHER WROTE SOMETHING ABOUT SOCIALISM.
Hillary is the best politician that's ever walked the face of the earth, so Obama should just drop out now.
April 15, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
And he's uppity. Don't forget.
April 15, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
...and his middle name is HUSSEIN!
April 15, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Hillary is the best politician that's ever walked the face of the earth, so Obama should just drop out now."-CT Voter
I see.I respect the fact that you fervently support Sen Clinton and you accuse Obama of being the lesser candidate and are calling on him to drop out. Word of wisdom, you do not drop out when you are ahead.Usually its the losing side that concedes defeat.So Sen Barack Obama, stand down now...oh wait a minute...
April 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
People of Small Town America. This is your Queen, Hillary of Tuzla, speaking. I command you to be outraged. Thou shalt not think for yourselves. Now do as I command. Be outraged, now!
Heavy is the head that wears the Royal Crown. Bring me another Crown Royal.
Burb.....hic.......fart.....hic......scuze me.....
I am Queen Hillary and I approve of this message.
April 15, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
Thank you, Liam.
April 15, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Settle down, people. You're all addicted to polls. Seriously. I know. I'm a poll addict myself, and I can spot another one a mile away.
I like how EastWest, MarginalPlayer, Gotalife, fogu, and other trolls whose names I'm repressing are taking turns carrying out their trollery.
April 15, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know - it's so cute. It's like when I was in Junior High and my girl friends and I would all get together on the phone after school and decide what we were going to wear the next day. Or whose ass we were going to kick.
April 15, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is Troll Critic 3000 when you need him? His pic alone is worth the wait!
April 15, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the best tradition of Molly Ivins and Anne Richards, I bet.
Sucks that they're not here.
April 15, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
The real function of polls, I think, is that perception can become reality. The longer someone has a lead, even slight, the more likely it is that that lead will grow.
April 15, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
EastWest, Obama can not control the fact that an elderly white man feels that Clinton is being predjudiced against him. If you watch the clip (http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=4658330) you will see that almost the first thing to come out of Obama's mouth after the man finished speaking was, "I don't think there are racial overtones to what is happening right now" and then proceeds to push for an end to the politics of division. So you can make all the accusations and predictions you want, but I challenge you to find one quote from Obama where he is accuses his opponents of using race against him or plays the racial victim.
April 15, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=7413805&ch=4226716&src=news
Check this link out, surprisingly on ABC news, Obama calls these times "political silly season"... He is so right!
He addresses the whole "elite" argument.
None of this dumb stuff is sticking to him and I know why, Americans are worried, things are not good. I wish it wasn't so, but it is. People need change. If anyone is out of touch, it is Washington elites like Clinton, McCain etc. Go Obama!
Let's keep making calls to PA, Indiana etc. We cannot rest on polls like these, people have to go vote!
April 15, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. It's a good vid.
April 15, 2008 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
See, my reaction is completely to this elderly white man's view of what Clinton is doing.
I had never considered that for a moment - I considered it the classic conservative smear against liberals - intellectual elites.
Uppity never occurred to me. That's what made my jaw drop.
April 15, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
And about as creative as Obamabots...eh, EastWest?
April 15, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't overdo it - I just have this idea that people in Pa and In know that there is a primary and probably are beyond ready for the whole thing to go away.
April 15, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It really does - sucks bad. It also sucks that Hunter Thompson isn't here.
I miss the doctor something fierce, too.
April 15, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank the gods and goddesses that we still have Rude Pundit.
April 15, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do not really believe these polls, but I still think that we are going to win IN and keep it close in PA, so I guess that my skepticism about Bloomberg's operation is rather beside the point. I still arrive at the same point that they do.
April 15, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama keeps it close in PA he will most likely win IN since the media will start telling how Hillary cant win and more super delegates will come out for Obama. If Hillary wins by double digits then i dont know who will win IN but either way NC is going for Obama and Obama will win the nomination.
April 15, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
April 15, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
What took you so long?
You need to be a little more on the ball, idiotic.
April 15, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
At last, our hero waves in!
~
April 15, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's difficult for me, and for all of us, to try to be patient as we wait for idiotic's profound take on each new post, but I have excellent news! (for Hillary!). There's actually an excellent news for Hillary website!
http://excellentnewsforhillary.blogspot.com/
April 15, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link. No one else's use of the word "iniquitous" would make me laugh so hard.
April 15, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
this poll is useless.
Hillary's ahead in double digits in Indiana.
Obama will probably screw up something else soon enough.
April 15, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
RaeK black sheep,
have you any troll?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Obama's a Muslim
April 15, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
good one lars.
April 15, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha!
April 15, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lars, I doff my weird white hat to you.
April 15, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
And thus was his faith in man restored....
April 15, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rae, what would it take to make you finally say "This is not good for Hillary. I don't think she's going to win, so we need to start working to make sure McCain doesn't"?
April 15, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as I'm poll weary, I'm very interested in the one out of ND. Obama up over McCain... in NORTH FRIGGIN DAKOTA? I know it's early, but hot damn. I hope to see more map scrambling signs like this in months to come.
April 15, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quinnipiac had it +6 for Clinton last week and today....So that's consistent.
April 15, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
idiotic,
You are so correct . . . This is GREAT news for Hillary Clinton!
Inflicting the politics of division and hate upon flesh and blood Americans while planning the greatest corporate reach around of all time.
April 15, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on.
No one has done more for the people of Indiana and North Carolina than Barack Obama.
April 15, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have blown off all polls, however, there is a definite "feel' now that things are just going to keep slipping downward for HRC. For the first time I see the handwriting on the wall, no great comeback. She might have to join McCain's campaign since she is a master at making a nothing turn to something for a few days. Maybe she can work texting from the duck blind :)
April 15, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR you know who...
April 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hold on, A bloomberg poll? Something tells me if we had a poll run by a booster of the Clinton campaign we'd probably be looking pretty good too. Who would believe that crap.
April 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who knows, of course, how reliable these are, but if any real indication, the relevance of the Indiana number alone is HUGE.
Hillary will win PA. And Obama looks poised to comfortably win NC on May 6. But if Obama can sweep May 6 by taking NC AND Indiana, chances are good that Hillary will face the heaviest pressure yet to drop out.
Fingers crossed.
April 15, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Talking Polls Memo: all polls, all the time; most meaning very little. This lull between primaries is dreadful. I never thought I'd say this after the 500 we have seen already this election season, but I'm excited about the debate tomorrow.
Meanwhile, we have Hillary the Gun-Toting, Christian Defender of the working class.
Could Hillary the Pro-Lifer be far behind? Is there anything she won't say or do?
April 15, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gipper says:
Could Hillary the Pro-Lifer be far behind? Is there anything she won't say or do?
Truly, I don't think she will do BJ's.
April 15, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that the LA Times recently laid off their revered pollster under the new Zell regime. Zell loathes both Clinton and Obama and has made it clear none of his Tribune Co. newspapers is to endorse either of them. The poll numbers and methodology are very suspect. I'm willing to bet that Survey USA as Eric well knows will be far more accurate. Their track record this year has been remarkable.
April 16, 2008 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink