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Poll: Obama Pulling Away From Clinton Nationally

On the heels of today's Gallup tracking poll finding the race tightening to within three points comes this new Newsweek poll finding that Obama is pulling away and now leads Hillary nationally by 19 points among registered Dems.

Here are the numbers, compared with the last Newsweek poll finding a statistical dead heat in March:

Obama 54% (45%)

Hillary 35% (44%)

One key finding with regard to the debate: The poll was taken on April 16th and 17th -- which is to say, on one day before the debate, and on one day after. And the Newsweek pollster says that there was no real shift in support from one day to the next.

Separately, nearly half (46%) of Dems say super-dels should use their own judgment in picking which candidate to support, while 38% want them to back the popular vote winner, and only 12% want them to pick the winner of the pledged del count.

As I've said here before, if Obama were to emerge as the clear winner of both the pledged del count and popular vote, these numbers might shift -- perhaps dramatically -- in his direction.


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Newsweek?

Good one.

I agree, gotalife, but you agree the DD map was bogus too, right?

Let the Voters decide, not polls.

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This Newsweek poll is an outlier. I doubt his lead has jumped so much. But at least it has the overall trend right.

Obama's lead is pulling away gradually from Hillary and has been consistently through a number of fights. Each time Hillary damages Obama, but does more damage to herself in the process. She's hurting them both, not helping anyone.

At some point it will reach a tipping point when people say "enough" to the self destructive politics. Then Obama will leap ahead of Hillary by at least 20 points.

On the other hand, InTrade has Hillary dropping to $13.6 for the nomination, with Obama climbing to $83.8.

Even Gore is at $3.5 for the nomination, which makes sense because the same sort of Obama meltdown and brokered convention that would be Hillary's last real chance could just as easily see the delegates turning to Gore to try to unite the party.

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Sure. I think Obama's under valued by Intrade, due to some hardcore Hillary supporters. If you want to make a little quick money that's almost a sure thing, and don't have a moral problem with gambling, it's not a bad idea.

My point was just that I'd be surprised if Obama already has a 19 point lead, as it seems a little sudden. But yeah, it's coming. At some point it'll hit a major tipping point, just as all opinions do, and then Obama will be ahead by at least 20 points.

Maybe that's already happening. But I'm comfortable to wait until I see a few polls saying it. I don't think I'll have long to wait.

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btw, Gore's chances are well to the right of the decimal point. Gore's chances are essentially zero.

There's no way the convention will pull Gore's name out of a hat in a 3rd round, if it even got to that, which it never will. Even if they did, which they won't, he wouldn't accept because he'd be sure to lose under such a bizarre nomination circumstance. No way.

At this point Hillary's chances are perhaps 5% at most, because it will take several very unlikely events to all consecutively break her way, when all the momentum is against her and increasing, her negatives are mushrooming, and she's already pulled out the kitchen sink against Obama. What's left? If she goes any more negative her credibility it'll only backfire.

Obama is the Democratic nominee.


Caveat: Syn: One key finding.


A day without an Obama good news caveat, is like a day with Hillary's Sargent at Arms taking the day off.

So the polls today clearly tell us that Obama is dramatically gaining and losing ground against Clinton, conclusively demonstrating that this Wednesday's debate helped, hurt, and had no effect on Obama. Awesome.

Ditto Bittergate.

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One might even suspect that the pollsters are just pulling random numbers out of their asses.

Does the latest AP/Yahoo poll released today show Clinton ahead of Obama 49/39? Did I misread this when reading the actual poll results? All of the stories are dwelling on Obama being more electable than Clinton and McCain pulling even with both.

It might be an outlier, but it's awfully nice to see.

Greg:

Will you ask both campaigns, Obama and Clinton's, about their FEC reports?

This is the trouble with Gallup: they ask the same people over and over again, day after day. I'd get tired of giving the same answer all the time, too. Or I'd get into a troll mood and give them one answer for a week and another answer the next week.

Newsweek, on the other hand, picked a fresh batch of registered Dems. These people haven't been asleep for the past month. Nor are they delusional. Nor are they trolls. They're right with it. On the bleading edge.

So, there you have it. I don't know why they're even going to bother next week in PA.

"As I've said here before, if Obama were to emerge as the clear winner of both the pledged del count and popular vote, these numbers might shift -- perhaps dramatically -- in his direction."

What is widely known is that Obama will be the winner in both pledged delegate count and popular vote, barring some horrible catastrophe. Are you making an argument for Hillary with your caveat of "clear winner".

You seem to forget to leave your bias at the door.

Okay, that makes no sense at all, dude.

What doesn't make sense? That Greg's bias is usually evident, or that Hillary can't make up the difference?

Without MI and FL, Obama is now over 800,000 popular votes ahead of Clinton. Do you actually think she can make up that difference in PA, KY, WV, and PR? Obama will match some of that with wins in NC and OR. IN is a big toss up, and it could slide either way at this point.

As for delegate count, Obama will still be ahead by the end of voting in June, even if Clinton wins every contest by over 65%. And that won't happen.

Therefore, Obama will be the winner on both metrics. I'm assuming Greg already knows this, so the "clear winner" comment goes to his bias. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

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Think you're reading WAY too much into this, man.

I don't see any bias at all in this post; he's simply reporting the Conventional Wisdom -- which I think, in this case, is correct.

IN is a big toss up, and it could slide either way at this point.

At the risk of being guilty of gross overconfidence, I am confidently predicting an Obama win in IN. Both the demographics and the polling trends there favor our guy.

Man, I hope you're right. Are you still working for BHO in Indy?

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I'll go with Moose - I'll take it because I think this is closer to reality than anything I've seen yet

though I don't trust polls worth a damn -

It started with these simple words and it'll end with them:

we want change.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

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Are we there yet?

Is there money in this polling business? If there is, it could be a career changer for me. It's like being a weatherman, you get it wrong and no big whoop. These polls are all over the place and it proves the polling is completely ridiculous. But, I bet it pays the bills, yo.

you get it wrong and no big whoop

I have one word for you. Zogby.

This poll fails a reasonableness test, just like the one the other day showing Clinton with a suddenly overwhelming lead in Indiana. All these polls do is fuel the rush of the 24/7 news cycle. Too often polls are used as an excuse to sweep unpleasant topics under the carpet and cut off discussion.

I think this will be to the detriment to the party and to whichever candidate gets the nomination because so many of these topics are not exhausted and they will likely come back to haunt the party in the fall. Better to address matters now, even if painful, than be stuck with an untenable position in the general election.

For example, Obama has an increasing list of negative electability issues that are being ignored now because there is no immediate change in polling and they are thus being dismissed as unimportant. This is false comfort for the party as issues of inexperience, hate, racism, lies, misstatements, and omissions will not be given such as easy pass by the Republicans and the public at large when they focus on the general election.

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This poll fails a reasonableness test, just like the one the other day showing Clinton with a suddenly overwhelming lead in Indiana. All these polls do is fuel the rush of the 24/7 news cycle.

This is one of those few occasions, dear Mr Weaver, when I agree with you. The swings in these tracking polls make them hard to believe.

Apparently reasonable = Clinton lead.

And BTW, George Stephanopoulos disagrees. He think he's totally focused on Obama's "negative electability issues."

You are right Matthew, but Obama is way ahead of Clinton on every one of the issues you mentioned.

As for experience with out 527's we will compare Obama to JFK who was 43! And had more or less the same experience as Obama-and did not graduate Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School in addition to President of the Law Review.

I continue to believe that what will make the difference in this general election is whether our side handles the Swift Boaters-and I am feeling good about OUR ability to do that even if the party is too lame to do it!

If Hillary's supporters can get over their disappointment if Obama wins and start giving Obama a fresh look there is much to get excited about. Sure he is no Dennis Kucinich, but neither was Bobby Kennedy.

There are so many things about an Obama Presidency that could be so wonderful. And compared to McCain Obama IS a Saint!

Matthew, do you EVER sleep, take the day off.

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Even as the graph lines zig and zag, Obama stays in the lead over Clinton.

We must remember that Hillary started out as the "inevitable" predicted winner in EVERY state and her numbers have ALWAYS declined everywhere after she began her campaign in that state - New Hampshire, California and Ohio included. Can anyone name one successful politician who has an inverse relationship between their campaign effectiveness and their electoral support? The fact is that she has a large and solid "negative" base and her campaigning efforts seem to effectively awaken and motivate her detractors.

With this burden I cannot see how any clear thinking, self-interested super-delegate would choose to vote for Clinton. It's just not in their own electoral interests.

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And, that is with Bill Clinton furiously campaigning even more than Hillary. Today's calendar shows Bill doing six events and Hillary two events [one in PA, one in NC] for a total of eight events compared to the Obamas' four events [Barack's three events and Michelle's one event].

Ongoing nomination fight hurting Clinton more than Obama
By CHARLES BABINGTON and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a dramatic reversal, an Associated Press-Yahoo! News poll found that a clear majority of Democratic voters now say Sen. Barack Obama has a better chance of defeating Republican Sen. John McCain in November than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

While Obama and Clinton are both sustaining dents and dings from their lengthy presidential fight, the former first lady is clearly suffering more. Democratic voters no longer see her as the party's strongest contender for the White House.

Voters of all types have gotten a better sense of Obama, who was an obscure Illinois legislator just four years ago. As more people moved from the "I don't know him" category in the AP-Yahoo! News poll, more rated Obama as inexperienced, unethical and dishonest. And 15 percent erroneously think he's a Muslim, thanks in part to disinformation widely spread on the Internet.

But Obama's positive ratings have climbed as well, while Clinton — widely known since the early 1990s — has been less able to change people's views of her. And when those views have shifted, it has hurt her more than helped.

The New York senator's ratings for being honest, likable, ethical and refreshing have fallen since January, and Obama scores higher than she does in all those categories.


http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-gains;_ylt=Apre5TxWBiL7kLgheb97dCVI2ocA

Yahooooo!

When I look at the polls now, I feel I'm looking at Scarecrow in the "Wizard of Oz," pointing opposite ways to the Emerald City.

Tomorrow Obama will be making a whistlestop tour of PA from Philly to Harrisburg. It's very conservative, Amish country. I've had experiences in the past calling women Republican voters who, when asked for whom they'll be voting for, answered, "I'll have to ask my husband." The Republicans have a 2-1 edge in voter registration here. If Jesus ran as a Democrat here, he'd lose.

So it will be interesting to see the turnout at the anything goes whistlestop tomorrow evening at the Amtrak station in Lancaster. To me, that will mean more than all the Scarecrow polls and nattering nabobs of negativism on cable tv...

The Poll that really caught my eye was the SUSA turn around in Indiana. A 21 point swing?

I know that seems crazy, but really the Clinton +16 poll was just a wierd quirk. She was ahead by 9 in the first SUSA poll, which really means that he has simply covered a 14 pt gap in three weeks, not the 21 pt gap in five days that you see if you look only at the SUSA poll from 4-13. In other words, I think that 4-13 result was just nonsense in the first place. Even SUSA has a bad poll now and again (witness MO on Feb 4). In any event, the long and short of it is that all of the most recent polls in IN show Obama ahead, which is exactly where I predicted that he would be all along.

Here's a good one! For Hillary!

The new poll puts Obama ahead among women as well as men, and voters aged 60 and older as well as younger voters. One of the more devastating results for Clinton was that a majority of all registered voters now see her as dishonest and untrustworthy. According to the poll, just four in 10 (41 percent) registered voters view the New York senator as honest and trustworthy, while 51 percent think the opposite. This compares with solid majorities of voters who see Obama and McCain as honest and trustworthy (both polled 61 percent).

There that word again! DISHONEST

More she talks the higher the number goes....Would she get more support by dropping out?

The poll about popular vote versus pledged delegates shows that most participants don't understand the process. Four states simply do not have popular votes to report (WA, IA, NV and ME). Furthermore, much as Clinton likes to claim that those who didn't vote in caucus states would have voted for her, the absurdity of counting Utah as three times the weight of Maine is breathtaking.

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More she talks the higher the number goes....Would she get more support by dropping out?

And the more voters get to hear Obama talk, the more they like him.


Go home, Hillary-Joe - it's over and this is getting unseemly.

Hillary will not stop until there has been a full revote in Florida and Mich or until she is given the votes from the existing contests and Obama is given the votes from the two contests as well.

After that(ha ha), if she is still behind in the popular and/or delegate counts, she will contrive other reasons to stay in.

Top Clinton supporters in my state, mostly leading female public officials and ex officials (and mostly very good people), had a somewhat tense meeting with Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry and Deval Patrick on Tuesday or Wed., essentially demanding that they pressure Obama and Dean for a resolution to Mich. and Fla.

Its too bad the debate was so f*cked and Obama was not in good form, as it looks like he was coming closer to winning in Penn. Then this would end.

Convention delegate votes are what the nomination rules count. The popular vote count is not in the nomination rules, so therefore it is just a Clinton Camp Strawman, and an attempted deflection from the actual party rules on how a nominee is selected.

All the primaries and caucuses are run to distribute delegates to the candidates.. Those delegates then cast their votes for their candidates at the national convention. There is no nationwide popular vote count in the rules. There was no monitoring mechanism set up to accurately count the nation wide popular votes. We can not now jump in The Way Back Machine, to change the rules and accurately establish the national vote tally, just because Hillary lost under the rules that she participated under.


KISS. Stick to the rules. It is the delegates, stupid!

eh, I really hate national polls. He'll go down again after losing PA. Then up a bit after winning NC and (hopefully) IN.


DEATHWATCH

As I've said here before, if Obama were to emerge as the clear winner of both the pledged del count and popular vote, these numbers might shift -- perhaps dramatically -- in his direction.

And it doesn't look like it's going to take much..many superdelegates that is!!

Time:

WASHINGTON - Time is running out on Hillary Rodham Clinton, the long-ago front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination who now trails Barack Obama in delegates, states won and popular votes.

Compounding Clinton's woes, Obama appears on track to finish the primary campaign fewer than 100 delegates shy of the 2,025 needed to win

excellent point!

More from the Time piece:

"There aren't many figures in American politics who could sustain 11 straight losses and hang into a race and raise $35 million," Obama said at The Associated Press annual meeting recently. "So in that sense she's unique, and the fact that former President Clinton is there, too, and the structure that he has of loyalty all across the country and the brand name that they have makes it very tough."
If he was bitter about it, he didn't show it.
Still, there are limits to how long party leaders will wait, given polls that show McCain has pulled even in the race for the White House.
New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, a Clinton supporter, said Friday she needs a big win in Pennsylvania, and a loss would be a "door closer."
Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank, also a Clinton supporter, said recently that the candidate who trails in delegates after June 3 should quit the race. "Probably before that, once it becomes clear that one or the other is clearly — there's no realistic chance," he told the AP in an interview.

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Obama needs to "emerge" as the winner of the pledged delegate count and popular vote? He currently leads both, by a significant margin. The consensus of all available polling at this point shows him widening, not narrowing, with both leads. You know that too. Why was it implied (using the word "emerge") that he has not reached a lead yet in both categories?

Nineteen points? As an Obama fan, I'd love to believe it. But then what to make of the near-simultaneous Gallup tracking poll that has Clinton just three points behind nationally?
First thing to realize: polls are really useful only in identifying long-term trends. An instant reaction to a bad debate performance says nothing about how a person will vote in November.
And November's Obama-McCain matchup is the one popularity contest that will count for anything.
That's the only long term anyone should be concerned about. Let's be clear: no temporary blip in support for Clinton is going to win her the Democratic nomination.
Second thing to realize is that even the best polls have unavoidable margins of error. For a sample of 1,200 Democrats, it's about 3 per cent. For a sample of 600 (like Newsweek's), it's roughly plus-or-minus four.
And crucially, even that level of accuracy occurs only 19 times in 20. On average, every twentieth poll will be wrong by more than that.
Before this campaign season is over, hundreds of polls will be published. Most will likely show one candidate winning or losing by a percentage that's within the margin of error.
Look for long-term trends in the results if you wish, but don't harbor any illusions that a particular poll that bolsters your candidate will be the one that is spot-on accurate. I predict, with 95-per-cent certainty, that it won't be.

Are these Gallup polls of any use? They don't seem to show any significant changes and any changes that they do show could be attributed to variability.

From your mouth to God's ear, Greg. I know you have been quite conservative in your predictions in the past, so your confidence makes me feel really hopeful.

Thank you!

In reply to Greg DeLassus - sorry!

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Here's something pretty fun to look at: poll aggregates from 11/12/07. Our man Obama has been workin'.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_MRs_Nt465oE/RzxwJ1G-wOI/AAAAAAAACkg/ER-f756dc4Q/s1600-h/TopDems.png

What's this moveon.org-gate Dan Abrams just mentioned? Hillary caught on tape saying something? I missed what she said.

Ah, DailyKos has it. I guess Hillary trashed MoveOn to a bunch of her fund-raisers - saying they opposed invading Afghanistan (false) and intimidated Hillary supporters at caucuses.

That was a bad move. Rachel Maddow thought it was "a bold move to say the least".

Remember why Moveon.org was formed in response of the impeachment of Bill Clinton!

Exactly. And the whole, "MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with" stuff is literally from Rove.

Attacking democratic activists (especially with Republican talking points) doesn't seem like the wisest political move for, ya know, a Democrat.


She can kiss their support goodbye if she somehow manages to get the nomination.

Zogby gave NH to Obama by 13 points! These polls make me dizzy.

Obama takes PA by 1% and gains a majority of the pledged delegates. That's my prediction.

At this point, I'm counting on a single-digit Clinton win but not expecting it. Either way, I'm back home now, trying to turn out the vote in the Philly suburbs! XD Maybe we'll be that 1% you're referring to.

Newsweek is about as accurate as Zogby. The only thing accurate about them is that they are both consistently wrong.

And they are consistently pro-obama.

We can argue about what these discrepant polls mean, but you can't argue about the fact that 35,000 people showed up at the Obama rally in Philly.

Kindest way to put it? Hillary got mugged by Obama on the streets of the City of Brotherly Love.

Newsweek does not report the news - I cancelled my subscription when the rest of the world got the Afghanistan war on the cover (and our botching of it) and the US edition got Annie Leibovitz on our cover - If they don't think we can take the real news, then why call yourself Newsweek?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsweek

Latest Gallup poll - Clinton 46% , Obama 45%.
Momentum has shifted. First time since March 20th Clinton is leading. That itself makes it quite a shift.

Take a look at today's Daly Gallup Poll. Nationally Obama had an 11 point lead just four days ago. Now, after wilting under tough questioning in the debate, and days of complaining about how negative the debate was, Obama has dropped 12 points to trail Clinton. What was all that we were hearing about the debate having no effect on Obama? Could it be that people are concluding that the tough questioning he handled so poorly is only a taste of what the GOP will throw at him?

April 19, 2008
Gallup Daily: Clinton 46%, Obama 45%
General election races remain tight

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking shows that Hillary Clinton now receives 46% of the support of Democrats nationally, compared to 45% for Barack Obama, marking the first time Obama has not led in Gallup's daily tracking since March 18-20.

These results are based on interviewing conducted April 16-18, including two days of interviewing after the contentious Wednesday night debate in Philadelphia and the media focus that followed. Support for Hillary Clinton has been significantly higher in both of these post-debate nights of interviewing than in recent weeks. The two Democratic candidates are now engaged in intensive campaigning leading up to Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary and are under a continual and hot media spotlight, increasing the chances for change in the views of Democrats in the days ahead.

Wow that's a big lead .. you know how they say 10 times out of 20.

anyway, I wonder what the gallup poll is saying?

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