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Poll: Obama Edges Into National Lead; Voters Concerned About Wright, Hillary On NAFTA
The new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that Obama has edged back into a national lead over Hillary.
Here are the numbers among Dem primary voters, compared to late and early March:
Obama 46% (45%) (43%)Hillary 43% (45%) (47%)
Some other numbers in the poll gauge the impact of recent major stories on both candidates among registered voters:
* 36 percent have major concerns that Clinton seems to change her position on some issues (like driver's licenses for illegal immigrants and the North American Free Trade Agreement, which her husband signed but which she now opposes)* 34 percent say they're bothered by Obama's "bitter" remarks
* 32 percent have a major problem with the Illinois senator's past associations with Wright and the 1960s radical William Ayers
* 27 percent have serious concerns that Bill Clinton would have too much influence on U.S. policy decisions if his wife is elected
Full poll here.
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Also, in that same poll, voters are 43% more concerned about McCain's ties to Bush. So I guess Bush is scarier than Wright.
April 30, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
So how scary is Clinton?
April 30, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boo!
Now back under your bed troll.
April 30, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
OLBERMAN CHOKES ON OBAMAS POLL!
Obama's negatives soaring as his poll goes limp.
(insert RNC guffaw here)
April 30, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 9, 2008 -- the Paul v Clinton web site is launched to expose the public to the landmark civil fraud suit pending in California against Hillary and Bill Clinton and their associates.
The first lawsuit to haul a President and a Senator into Court for defrauding the Senator's largest donor as part of a conspiracy to illegally win and keep a US Senate seat will begin discovery in May, 2008 as it proceeds to trial as confirmed by the California Supreme Court.
The discovery will expose an ongoing cover-up of the campaign finance crimes and the obstructions of justice directed by Hillary Clinton with the help of Bill Clinton and former DNC Chair Ed Rendell. The cover-up rivals Watergate in its corruption of each branch of government and the media.
April 30, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an obama supporter and I believe this to be a lie.
April 30, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's real. I suggest you google it get the story.
April 30, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try here:
http://www.peterfpaul.com/2008/02/19/how-the-clinton-fraud-suit-can-upset-the-democratic-party/
April 30, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good job everyone! Wright and Avery are apparently stuck in people's heads.
For no good reason.
But at least there is time between now and November to fix it.
April 30, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
For no good reason?
That is rich troll.
April 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pot calling Fishbowl black.
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grow up kid.
April 30, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daddy!
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
you're all trolls but me
April 30, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm. I'm just gonna nibble your halo a bit.
Salty!
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the award for TPM Avatar of the Month goes to... [drum roll] ... Goatlife!
April 30, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
April 30, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of us loathe you as much as we do Clinton/McCain/Bush/Cheney.
April 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fortunately, a few more people are concerned about truthiness on NAFTA and other issues.
April 30, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Margin of error is 3.1.
Basically tied.
April 30, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
And your scenario for a Hillary win assumes she's 20 points ahead.
April 30, 2008 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
More proof that we're a country of idiots. For as much as we complain, we get the government we deserve. We don't want a brilliant ex-President to have policy influence? We're overly concerned about gaffes, like the 'bitter' comment? Sheesh!
Crap people deserve a crap government.
April 30, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I stopped blaming Bush and company for this country's problems. 80% of this country approved of the decision to go to war. 60 million Americans re-elected George Bush (clearly get fooled once wasn't enough). Can we really blame Republicans for taking advantage of the credulity of the American people?
April 30, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Obama is doing it too.
You are correct, you get what you vote for.
April 30, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
But we didn't vote for you. Yet here you are!
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
you're hilarious. Mehehehe
May 1, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
They pray and bash whitey in private now.
I wonder if Clinton was thinking this while answering O'Reilly's questions. What do you think, Goatlife? -- is she as racist as you?
April 30, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad to see you're coming around to the fact that Obama is winning and has gained an almost insurmountable lead.
April 30, 2008 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I don't.
We don't need co-presidents, it's unconstitutional for him to get a de facto 3d term, and most importantly - political dynasties are anathema to democracy and much more of this shit and this democracy is over.
I've had with these "aristocrats" who have grown entitlement like warts.
April 30, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO I don't want Bill.
I'm not agreeing with you about stupid Americans because that's a crock of shit.
It's tiresome to hear a bunch of college grads on a comments board constantly getting condescending about "stupid Americans" based on nothing more than a grand sense of their own superiority.
Americans make mistakes, and there are plenty of stupid people in every goddamn corner of this globe. But the people who consistently belittle "Americans" are belittling democracy and it is directly counter to Liberal political philosophy. We believe we can govern ourselves. Now how is that going to work if we are all too stupid to meet your standard?
April 30, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Its not about you and what you want troll.
Me, me, me, the me generation.
It is about what is best for 300 million Americans and billions in the world.
Not taking a chance and rolling the dice with a rookie.
April 30, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Troll?
Pot calling fishbowl black.
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Be careful.
He's a "Concern" Troll!
May 1, 2008 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am?
Or him?
Is that me?
Meheheheh.
May 1, 2008 1:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is getalife trying a new tack in a desperate attempt to remain relevant. Like his/her losing candidate.
May 1, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Funny you should mention the "me" generation, since you're supporting (allegedly) a "me" generation candidate.
You know, a woman who as an idealistic youth protested an immoral unwinnable war, and who as a serious and experienced adult voted in favor of starting another one like it on the basis of political expediency.
Alanis Morrisette ain't got jack shit on you in the irony department.
April 30, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
A couple of fun comments to reconcile. Political dynasties are anathema to democracy, yet are put into power by the people. Yes, Americans are not alone in making mistakes or having stupid people. But this idea that Americans have even the foggiest idea of what they want out of democracy is ridiculous. Aside from underwriting a generational war in Iraq, the American people haven't ..... in what, 40 years?.... attempted to exercise their political muscle to accomplish anything of lasting value. Have we seen government achieve anything on the scale of FDR's 'New Deal' or LBJ's 'Great Society'. For 30-40 years we've been tricked into fighting ourselves over completely bogus issues, like the ones people in the poll said they cared about.
April 30, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
O really?
Do tell me more. I guess George Bush would have gotten into office without George Bush. And sure, Hillary would be where she is without Bill.
Keep telling yourself that.
April 30, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Umm..... People still had to cast ballots for Hillary and Curious George, right? Clearly a vast number of Americans don't have the same reflexive suspicion of political dynasties that you do.
If anything, this reinforces the idea that we can't be bothered to actually learn about the issues, instead pulling the lever for a familiar political 'brand'. We vote (and go to war) with that same conviction that we order a happy meal from McDonalds. Political brands survive because of sheer laziness on the part of the voters.
April 30, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
No name recognition at all I suppose.
Nice evasion but come on.
April 30, 2008 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you trying to make all my points for me and then knock me for disagreeing with you? Isn't voting on name recognition an indictment against the voter?
April 30, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Before we hit a few more tangents, let me see if I get this right...
You argue that political dynasties are bad (I'm with you) for democracy. Then you say the American voter is capable of making good choices. Yet, miraculously, the American voter isn't responsible for furthering political dynasties. In defense of the American voter, you chalk up the success of political dynasties to name recognition? Sounds like you have the same low opinion of the voters that I do.
April 30, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well let's get more complicated and let me throw it back at you -
If Americans are too stupid to make good voting choices, then they are - or we are - too stupid to sustain a democracy.
That's what you are saying.
The point about dynasties is a good one and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the voting acumen of Americans except insofar as name recognition is concerned and how does that make someone stupid? My god.
People are busy. Most people are a hell of a lot busier than either you or I am or they'd be here, too.
Republicans always rule from the position of the strong father: you are too dumb and naive to know what you are doing, don't worry about it - I'll handle it, don't pay any attention to any of it ever.
Is that what you are suggesting is necessary? Because I don't get how you can sustain a democracy of idiots - please explain and get off my ass.
April 30, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is EXACTLY what I am saying. We've entered uncharted territory given our rather strong record in the past. Not only do we have a government that sanctions torture, but a populace (majority, anyway) that approves it. Not only do we have a government that spies on its citizens without cause, but a populace willing to trade in its right to privacy for an illusion of security. Democracy?
I say stupid, you say 'busy'. Either way, poor choices are being made by the voting public. I'll use you're interpretation. We're too damn busy as a country to give a rats ass about our democracy. Happy?
I'm with you. But the responsibility of governing this country isn't a one way street. Yes, politicians should govern in a way that is responsive to their community. But at the same time, the community needs to exercise its responsibility and hold wayward politicians accountable. We have too many people who don't want to think, just be told what needs to be done. Stupidity, laziness, over-worked - whatever the cause, people take no responsibility for their voting behavior.
April 30, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It's tiresome to hear a bunch of college grads on a comments board constantly getting condescending about "stupid Americans" based on nothing more than a grand sense of their own superiority."
It was either P.T. Barnum or H.L. Menken (maybe quoting P.T Barnum) that said "Nobody ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of teh American People". The idea has been around a long time and has made a lot of people rich. And elected a lot of people to office.
April 30, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
See the comment right above you
If you want government by way of P.T. Barnum, asshole, vote Republican - that's their whole thing.
D'oh!
April 30, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Clinton leads Obama by just one percentage point, 47% to 46%, in a Gallup poll released Tuesday. It's the fifth straight poll in which the two Democratic White House hopefuls are within one point of each other.
Gallup concludes, however, that it's negative for Obama despite the closeness of the numbers.
"From a broad perspective, this situation marks a loss for Obama, who has generally been in the lead over Clinton for the last month,"
April 30, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The new poll from CBS/NYT has Obama up 46% to 38%.
You were saying?
April 30, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not credible.
April 30, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama continues to extend his lead in all leading indicators, he should drop out immediately!!!
Oh, sorry goaty, that's your line.
April 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm. Penguin!
Salty!
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course you're not credible. But why restate the obvious?
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hahahahaha! Man, youre just a parody of yourself now!
April 30, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Almost as credible as calling a 30 point Clinton win in PA. Oh wait, I meant 20 point win...
Actually that was a typo. I meant 10 points. Really, I swear.
May 1, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Goat-alife, what makes you so smart and the rest of us so stupid?
April 30, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read the NIE.
Just before I ate it.
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
getalife: grow a brain, OK? Clinton could very well win all the remaining contests. It wouldn't matter. Obama is running for president, while she's running for the nomination. McCain is ignoring her. The RNC is ignoring her. The Republicans and the Clintons and all of their surrogates are pouring enormous sums of money into driving up Obama's negatives in an attempt to halt his inevitable nomination. There is NO WAY for the Clintons to stop him. The only way Obama loses the nomination is if he decides he doesn't want it. Otherwise, get out the butter because Hillary is toast.
May 1, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama’s empty claims to being a candidate of progressive change and to embodying a “movement” that exists only as a brand will dissolve into disillusionment in a failed campaign against his horribly opportunistic approach to the issues bearing on inequality—in which he tosses behaviorist rhetoric to the right and little more than calls to celebrate his success to blacks—stands to pollute debate about racial injustice whether he wins or loses the Presidency; he certainly can’t beat McCain in November.
April 30, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's an empty suit and should drop out immediately!!!
Oh, sorry dumbilical, that's your line.
April 30, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder - do you see dembicilic wearing a snappy brown shirt and shorts, or do you see dem more the swaztika on the back of the shaved skull type?
April 30, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Neck Tattoos.
Salty!
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see derbilical in a pretty, floral sun dress and a blonde beehive wig. when he goes outside to pick up the paper, all of the neighbor kids point and laugh.
April 30, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was a very long sentence with very little content.
April 30, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually it was a nice length with a message that rocked.
April 30, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are we both talking about dembillc's post?
April 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
No- this madness must stop!
I was talking about the comment just above yours cause I thought you were .
Mea culpa - these reply comments are getting comical.
April 30, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
No worries.
April 30, 2008 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary can't be trusted with nuclear weapons.
April 30, 2008 7:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boo!
April 30, 2008 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't cry....
Hmmm. Tears!
Salty!
Meheheheh.
April 30, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
These polls should erase any doubt in superdelegates' minds about Obama's toughness and electability. What other politician could have weathered the onslaught he's been getting from the Clintons, McCain and the media lately? He's been getting hit from every side, and yet, he's not seriously slipping. He's strong, and his support is solid. This is our guy. Obama will be the next president.
April 30, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well no shit.
LOLOLOL!!!!
She killed her own argument. She kept claiming "I'm electable! Squawk! I'm electable! Squawk! The Republicans will eat him alive! Squawk!"
So what did she do? She tried to out Republican the Republicans and he's still standing.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 30, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
God, Obama is teflon!!!
He is being attacked by 100 different sources and his own pastor, but guess what? He leads both McShame and Billary in all the polls!
GOBAMA IS GOD!
BAM: Billary's head exploding!
April 30, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
NEW POLL:
Obama supporters likely to repeat Obama talking points to pollsters!
Hillary supporters likely to repeat Hillary talking points to pollsters!
SHOCKING!
April 30, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is some good news, but is it enough to get Rev JW out of the news? i dont think soo.
April 30, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, Clinton is owning Bill O'Reilly.
What a fighter.
April 30, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does she share ?
April 30, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
your racism?
April 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
O'Reilly?
He's not so tough.
Meheheheh.
May 1, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
April 30, 2008
Poll of polls: Obama losing ground
Posted: 06:05 PM ET
Obama now leads Clinton by 1 point nationally.
(CNN) — The Democratic presidential race is tightening nationally, according to a new CNN average of several recent polls.
Obama's lead is now down to 1 point over Clinton nationwide, 45 percent to 44 percent, in CNN's "poll of polls." That margin is down 3 points from another CNN poll of polls conducted two days ago. In that analysis, Obama led Clinton 47 percent to 43 percent. The margin is also considerably lower than an April 18 poll of polls that showed Obama with an 11 point lead.
The poll of polls consists of three newly released national polls from Fox News/Opinion Dynamics, Gallup, and Newsweek. There is no margin of error on the poll of polls.
Both the Fox News poll and the Gallup poll were conducted partially after Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, made a fresh round of controversial comments earlier this week.
The Fox News poll also appears to show Obama no longer has an edge over Clinton among independent voters. In head-to-head match ups, presumptive Republican nominee John McCain wins independents by a 4 point margin over Clinton (42-38 percent) and by a 10 points over Obama (47 percent to 37 percent).
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
April 30, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
If only polls equaled votes your dream would come true! Win the pledged delegate race, it's the only way for Clinton to win.
April 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had to share this. Fox News ratings is continuing to decline. CNN beat them last quarter in ratings, MSNBC had the biggest increase.
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=855
http://insidecablenews.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/press-releases-42908/
April 30, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love it.
April 30, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thirty-five percent of Clinton voters say they would vote for McCain in the fall if Obama is the Democratic nominee. Twenty-three percent of Obama supporters say they would crossover if Clinton heads the ticket.
Posted by Otto F
April 30, 2008 7:45 PM
Well there goes Hillary's argument about how she can beat McCain. One third of her support in the Primaries is coming from McCain supporters who are trying to weaken Obama. Hillary would lose most of those voters to McCain in a general election. McCain would beat Hillary in a landslide, and the Clintons would destroy the Democrats in Congress again.
It Takes A Clinton To Raze Our Party.
They did it once, and they want to do it again.
April 30, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The comments here are a freak show. I came back after a few hours and can't even follow the bickering anymore.
I think all of our heads are exploding.
We're all being played to some extent. Let's at least admit that. Our emotions are being played by every single media outlet there is...including this one.
Polls, Polls, polls. Scandal, lies, scandal. Up, down, up, down...for what purpose? Bickering. That seems to be all it comes down to. Stimulate bickering and anger amongst our own party.
Blah. Enough. There must be a good movie on.
April 30, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
O good, I was hoping you'd leave after walking in and taking a dump in the middle of the conversation.
I'm here for whatever the fuck because I like it and I like most of the people, and if you don't like it, I hope you find a good movie.
April 30, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Your reply makes me feel really awful.
I guess I shouldn't have come in and criticized the conversation, especially with a phrase like "freak show," but some nights I get really tired of all the bickering and the endless polls and the worry and I feel like battling Clinton supporters is getting me nowhere. I'd rather battle the media or John McCain. I didn't mean my comment personally, but I guess it was taken that way and I am sorry.
Carry on. I will go.
April 30, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry - it's just you come in, throw insults and then that's it.
It's kinda hard not to respond in kind.
April 30, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Americas are lazy because most people can't see how what goes on in Washington affects them.
They don't undersntand how proverty and crime is tied together. They can't comprehend how the Iraq war and high oil prices are tied together. They can't comprehend how a declining dollare affects commodity prices.
Most people are single issue voters and the Republican party has been able to pander to these issues. The fact that we can label someone elitest or liberal and that is a good enough reason not to vote for him or her. No matter their policy.
Look at John Mcain's health policy. Most experts agree that John McCain's health policy will stop companies from offering health care within a few years.
April 30, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can always tell when someone is just talking out their ass because it's always: "Most people are..." Yeah. Just cause you say so.
So is your idea to become the Republicans, too? You seem to say that's the only way to rule this bunch of morons in America - so tell me what you are trying to say?
April 30, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pay no attention to that radical troll EmmaP.
Tena is the most divisive troll on this blog.
We support freedom of speech here.
Opine all you want.
April 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Teena, hardly divisive, not a troll.
Gotalife, not smart, doesn't have a life.
April 30, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a rediculous statement. You have no credability, gotalife. Zero.
April 30, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed, gotalife lives here and opines all day and all night.
Every day. Every night.
And it's generally about that informative.
April 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You ran off another poster troll.
Proud of yourself?
April 30, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's also laughingstock at the HuffPo.
April 30, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
In case you missed it - Hillary's interview on Fox tonight(part 1 and part 2)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2ISWUXT9V6g
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L9X_nnEJmHM
April 30, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was the best interview this cycle.
Tough questions and she owned him.
Looking forward to part II on foreign policy.
April 30, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's your MILF, isn't she? You're into old ladies in pantsuits. Eew.
May 1, 2008 2:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good one! MILF indeed - ewwwwwwww!!!! ;)
May 1, 2008 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Woo Hoo - Dallas Stars playin some hockey!!
April 30, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tena is not a troll, but I do think she was a bit hard on Cheddar.
You definitely cut the cheese.
Personally, I sometimes lament the brain power of our electorate as well.
April 30, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are about 35% of every population that are not up to average intelligence.
A lot of people are busy, but people surprise me with the things they say that I never expected them to say and then I realize I'm being
Really Really snotty.
Dude, I have more than one degree and I know for a fact that doesn't make me smarter than a whole load of people and I just tend to give Americans the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this constantly repeated assertion from liberals that Americans are stupid because they don't vote the way we want them to.
I'm sorry - it strikes me as terribly arrogant.
April 30, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is the inability to look beyond one's nose, arrogance is icing on the knows......
April 30, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess you can count me in the group of people who thought Barack Obama's bitter comments were actually spot on.
I have multiple degrees as well, and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially when it comes to voting choice.
The evidence to the contrary I see every day, however, from people with more than one degree, and those planning to collect a second degree, usually just leaves me scratching my head.
April 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
You trolls have a bs in bs.
Give it a rest.
You are not that bright, you support a rookie and drank his kool aid.
April 30, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
So why are you Triangulating your Strangulation?
April 30, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I'm in love.
April 30, 2008 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't really read the comments, do ya?
Like I said - Loads and loads of people are smarter than I am. In fact, I get stupider every single year I'm alive.
April 30, 2008 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
May 1, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm, Bananas!
Tasty, but they give me gaaaaaaas.
Meheheheh.
May 1, 2008 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
And once again, I leave for the night and gotalife (o the irony of that nym) is still here.
Good night, you poor thing.
April 30, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's got a life. It consists of spewing bile and hate wherever he goes. In the name of politics.
A sad existence.
Meheheheh.
May 1, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is EXACTLY what I am saying. We've entered uncharted territory given our rather strong record in the past. Not only do we have a government that sanctions torture, but a populace (majority, anyway) that approves it. Not only do we have a government that spies on its citizens without cause, but a populace willing to trade in its right to privacy for an illusion of security. Democracy?
I say stupid, you say 'busy'. Either way poor choices are being made by the voting public. I'll use you're interpretation. We're too damn busy as a country to give a rats ass about our democracy. Happy?
I'm with you. But the responsibility of governing this country isn't a one way street. Yes, politicians should govern in a way that is responsive to their community. But at the same time, the community needs to exercise its responsibility and hold wayward politicians accountable. We have too many people who don't want to think, just be told what needs to be done. Stupidity, laziness, over-worked - whatever the cause, people take no responsibility for their voting behavior.
April 30, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I realize that, Cheddar, but what exactly is it that you want?
We started out in the right direction - we tried to educated our people so that they could make good choices. But you know, your idea of good choices is not necessarily the same as your next door neighbor's idea of what is a good electoral choice, dude.
Not everyone in this country is liberal, progressive or otherwise agrees with those positions. When they vote for the candidate you think is stupid, then you think the voters are stupid.
Surprise - they feel the same way about you.
Now, I do feel people who voted for Bush the first time were stupid about their vote. The second time - insane.
But that doesn't bleed over into every single other part of someone's life. I'm more than willing to tell anyone who comes at me as a "Republican" that I think they are nuts and stupid. But that isn't the same thing as telling that to any AMerican who comes at me from somewhere other than a good liberal starting point.
People have different experiences and different priorities. I don't like being judgmental to that degree - to me those comments are ugly.
So I"m sorry if I was hard on you about this, but I really have had a problem with this attitude for years and years.
May 1, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
A new Insider Advantage North Carolina poll of likely Democratic primary voters is out tonight. Hillary Clinton has pulled into the lead over Oilbama.
Hillary Clinton: 44%
Obama: 42%
Undecided: 14%
Wahoo!!!
She sweeps the next two and Oilbama can go work for his relative Dick Cheney.
People are wondering why Oilbama voted for Dick Cheneys Big Oil Energy bill. I know I am every time I pull up to the pump. And now Oilbama does not want to tax Exxon Mobil to give us a break this summer. It is obvious Oilbama is in the tank for Big Oil.
May 1, 2008 12:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Its great that we have committed Democrats fully invested in believing the absolute worst about a DEMOCRATIC opponent. I thought we were only in the habit of believing that Republicans were Satan worshipers.
Be happy for Hillary, but is it necessary to denigrate Obama? You put up Cheney's energy bill, I'll raise you one AUMF. It'll never end. How much of this is shameless spinning in the hopes that vitriol directed an opponent will seep into the consciousness of others?
I was engaged in discussion upthread about how we're a country with a plurality of morons. Your rhetoric only feeds my belief that others have as little faith in their fellow voter as I do.
May 1, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that polls is crap - nothing to see there..
May 1, 2008 7:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
What has happened to this site?
May 1, 2008 1:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a troll insurgency. Dead enders. Safe to ignore.
May 1, 2008 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Although fun to tease...
May 1, 2008 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is an article about what Obama did and didn't know about the teachings of Jeremiah Wright.
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/04/the_anatomy_of_wrights_disinvi.html
May 1, 2008 1:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
From the NY Daily News:
Tuesday, when a reporter questioned Obama about his judgment, the senator said the "person I saw [Monday] was not the person that I had come to know over 20 years."
Obama maintained he had never heard these types of statements as a parishioner.
"Based on his remarks Tuesday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought either," Obama said.
But some longtime Wright supporters said Wright's in-your-face appearance at the National Press Club was no different from what parishioners regularly experienced in church.
"What you saw is what we saw every single week," said Brenda McGadney-Douglass, an associate professor at the University of Toledo who attended Wright's Monday appearance and was baptized by him. "This is exactly the way things go in our church."
May 1, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, I am off to Riga. Lovely city, European, cosmopolitan, and delightfully free of dumbass Americans, who can't afford to vacation in Latvia.
I will merely note, it's also delightfully free of AAs. I find something admirable and interesting in just about every culture and people, and I find friends and admirers just about everywhere except the the US. Americans are pretty fucking dumb, and smug and smarmy to boot. But oh brother, AAs are a special breed apart, generally speaking. A people with no redeeming features at all, aside from producing some quite brilliant music.
May 1, 2008 3:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
eh, Wright exemplifies several key AA attributes:
1. dignitude: an excessive concern with one's own dignity and an aggressive approach to defending it
2. confusion of use of big words with intelligence, throwing out long winded verbiage, hoping people will think you're smart
3. paranoia mixed with utter complete fucking ignorance, leading to crazy apeshit theories about how the world works
4. a tendency towards wild gesticulation, flapping of arms, grunting and shrieking
Obama was raised differently, to be sure, but it concerns me that he decided to adopt AA culture as his own. Why would someone do something that dumb? It's like trading a Volvo, something reliable and worthy, for a Soviet-era Lada.
May 1, 2008 4:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
"eh, Wright exemplifies several key AA attributes:"
..when a post starts of with that little gem, you just know that the author masturbates to Mein Kampf and endorses cross burnings..
"dignitude: an excessive concern with one's own dignity and an aggressive approach to defending it"
This seems to be a quality of all proud people, regardless the color.
"confusion of use of big words with intelligence, throwing out long winded verbiage, hoping people will think you're smart"
This is just your way of saying that you couldn't keep up with right, its ok, the public school system can be a bitch.. That being said, even though I disagree with Wright, I'd bet a liver that a guy with 3 degrees and who can speak 5 languages is smarter than you. Actually, judging by your incoherent ramblings, that bar is lower than midget limbo contests.
"paranoia mixed with utter complete fucking ignorance, leading to crazy apeshit theories about how the world works"
..this coming from someone who obviously doesn't know how the world works. Because of things like the Tuskegee experiment, and political actions like COINTERPRO - black folks have a reason to be paranoid. You are a douchebag..
May 1, 2008 6:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. This first line alone immediately renders the rest of your post to the excrement pile.
Thank you for identifying yourself as a troll early in your post. You may return to the bunker now. Auf wiedershen!
May 1, 2008 8:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow - just wow.
I suspect you are the infamous TPM Milo/Mila Buggeroff using a different nym. The similarities are striking. If so, then please disappear again. Your vile spew has no place here.
May 1, 2008 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it is about time that one of these two or both consider an idea that neither have given much input to:
Expanding the manufacturing base in the United States - that doesn't mean giving large companies more tax cuts it means giving more opportunity to those wanting to hire U.S. citizens to produce products in this country - how about a mass transportation system (trains)?
May 1, 2008 4:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Conviently left out the margin of error which makes you pathetic! For Barack the hack Obama and his wife Mama Obama to now know how Pastor Wright really is is so laughable as to be pathetic! A key to what the Obama's really think and how they actually KNEW how Pastor Wright really was is to remembe Mama Obama's comment on how as an adult FINALLY NOW she can be proud of America. I bet when Barack the hack Hussein Obama loses she goes back to hating America. Wanna bet?
May 1, 2008 4:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
"For Barack the hack Obama and his wife Mama Obama to now know how Pastor Wright really is is so laughable as to be pathetic!"
Whats even more laughable is how many members of Obama's same church, who have been there longer than Obama - also claim that the version of Jeremiah Wright that we see on television is foreign to them as well. MSNBC's anchor, Tamran Hall, who went to that same church says the same thing - your main argument just purposely droped the soap in a maximum security institution.
"I bet when Barack the hack Hussein Obama loses she goes back to hating America."
**Douchebag Alert!!**
May 1, 2008 6:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wright speaks five languages? I highly doubt it, unless your counting variations of Ebonics.
I in fact speak five languages, albeit not as well as I'd like.
And he has three degrees? If I recall, two are divinity degrees, by definition useless and worthless.
Eh, I am proud to be a tenth-grade drop-out, I've taught myself more than an Ivy institution ever could : )
May 1, 2008 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton to Bill O'Reilly :
"Rich people, God bless us"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64fDLplBfQ
May 1, 2008 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
The cases were repeatedly thrown out in 2007. The "case" hangs by the thread that some even higher court won't throw it out again.
Paul himself was involved in Stan Lee Media, and had to run off to Brazil so he wouldn't get arrested for illegal stock manipulation.
I'm not sure Paul is the most honest broker.
And I support Obama.
May 1, 2008 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
so, this poll had hillary leading nationally before he pa victory and jeremiah wright fiasco, and now post both these events, has obama leading nationally?
strike anyone else as strange and counter-intuitive?
think i'll keep focusing on polls that had obama ahead in late march but have shown hillary closing the gap and or slightly overtaking him in the wake of the pa victory and jeremiah wright episode.
strikes me as a more logical and plausible narrative.
May 1, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Josh, Greg, Eric:
Ban this motherfucking Aryan Nation spammer racist troll, please.
Please - enough.
May 1, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone find it odd that Obama has tens of millions of dollars from grassroots fundraising and Clinton is practically bankrupt, yet supposedly they are so close? How does that translate...except the obvious Republican crossover votes to skew in favor of a weaker candidate?
And again, Clinton was expected to win PA. The fact that it was by less than the double digits expected should speak volumes. All of this hoopla has nothing to do with anything but a MSM grab for attention.
And Obama won Texas...so much for the big state argument....
May 1, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone who has been with someone for TWENTY YEARS!!! and doesn't know them? Dull. And you want this person running the country?!?!?!
WACK!
May 1, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you mean Jim & Tammy Faye or Jimmy Swaggart?
May 1, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now now now don't be silly. Personal sexual lives are different don't you think? What a man says from the pulpit is who he is and from the way he talks Jeremiah Wright wasn't shy about making his views known. Now either Barack and his wife Mama Obama were asleep during services, (wack), they didn't go (which makes them liars) or at one time they agreed with Wright! Which again makes them liars. So which is it? Or are you capable of making a honest judgement? TWENTY YEARS!! Come on. YOU can be honest. Don't be republican light and like republicans worship Bush and you worship Barack.
May 1, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, Now now now don't be silly. Personal sexual lives are different don't you think? What a man says from the pulpit is who he is and from the way he talks Jeremiah Wright wasn't shy about making his views known. Now either Barack and his wife Mama Obama were asleep during services, (wack), they didn't go (which makes them liars) or at one time they agreed with Wright! Which again makes them liars. So which is it? Or are you capable of making a honest judgement? TWENTY YEARS!! Come on. YOU can be honest. Don't be republican light and like republicans worship Bush and you worship Barack.
May 1, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
He (your boy messiah Obama)said Wright, who officiated his wedding and baptized his children, seemed "not the person I met 20 years ago."
What a stupid misleading thing to say! Of course he's not the person messiah Obama met 20 years ago!! Who is!! No, your messiah is obfuscating the truth of his REAL views.
May 1, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink