Poll: More Than A Third Of Dems Think Hillary Should Drop Out
That's the finding of a new Rasmussen poll released today: It says that 34% of Dems nationwide think she should bail.
That's only up two points since earlier in April, but it's up 12 from March, so the number is clearly growing. Meanwhile, twenty-two percent of Dems think Obama should drop out.
Perhaps not surprisingly, a large majority of Obama supporters -- 65% -- think she should drop out, while only half of Hillary supporters say he should go.
Separately, another Rasmussen poll finds that Republicans are growing more confident about taking on Obama this fall -- only 37% think he'd be the tougher opponent, down sharply from 54% earlier this month. Thirty-five percent of GOPers think she'd be the tougher foe, up from 20%.
It seems likely that these numbers are the result of the constant media discussion of Obama's difficulties with blue-collar voters, as well as her large win in Pennsylvania. The reappearance of Jeremiah Wright in the news -- with no assist from the Hillary campaign -- probably won't help matters in this regard.
Where is gotalife?
O gotalife - you reading this?
April 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
WTF? The first commenter rings the dinner bell for the trolls.
Nice work.
April 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
KEITH OLBERMAN PRONOUNCED DEAD!!
"His head just spun right off!" Screamed Rachel Maddow as news of Wright Gone Wrong caused hysterial diarrhaea on the Countdown set.
HOPE CHANGE does not mean four years of Wright/Farrahkan
April 28, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have enough trouble dealing with these assholes without them getting validation from us in this manner.
April 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you had a chance to hear Wright yet?
April 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have, and it's refreshing. His speech in Detroit was quite moving, the kind of speech one would love to see in Denver, regardless of who gave it. His appeal that difference is not deficient is a message any dem would be proud to place in their platform.
I love the fact that we are having this conversation. We can keep it up all the way to November as far as I am concerned. It's only April. This too shall pass.
The attempt to caricature Wright is failing. Even the MSM's attacks on TV have been muted because they have to dance around the truths in favor of smearing the messanger, and the truths are just too big.
Oh yes, one small detail: Wright is not running for president.
Pax,
M.
April 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Republicans are going to be in for a big surprise when they run against him this fall. It won't be close. There are groups of voters more motivated than they've ever been to vote for Barack Obama.
Can you name the group motivated to vote for John McCain?
April 28, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah the media is going to have a field day trying to prop up McCain to look like a better candidate then he is.
They think being fair means making things appear even, as they are doing ("deadlocked") with Hillary.
The truth is, McCain has all the cards stacked against him in the fall, and given his poor performance so far (age, i think), he should be easy pickings. Of course, don't tell CNN that, but Obama supporters aren't making they're decision based on pundits anyway.
April 28, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aye, and indeed. I saw Wright's speech on Fox w/Geraldo live yesterday, and one gets the sense he realizes that Wright is a dead-end. He could not complain about the speech, though he tried, and his heart was just not in it.
It must pickle Geraldo's onions that McCain barely inspires a trip to the toilet.
Pax,
M.
April 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
So most Obama supporters want Hillary out, what a surprise.
It does sound pretty bad though, and maybe it helps nudge the media narrative closer to the reality that she can't win.
April 28, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
or maybe this new AP-Ipsos poll shifts the media narrative in favor of Hillary:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_poll
April 28, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then again, what does it matter, really? It's a hypothetical that has almost no chance of occurring.
You really think the Obama campaign and the DNC would have linked up for a joint fundraising drive if Obama wasn't the nominee? Have you noticed lately that the Republicans have been directing ALL their fire at Obama, and completely ignoring Hillary? Of course her numbers are up. She's running a sideshow in Disneyland.
April 28, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I'd be more interested in hearing how many Clinton supporters want her to drop out (or how many Obama supporters want him to drop out). With only 34% total and 65% of Obama supporters, I'm guessing that number is pretty close to zero, which wouldn't be newsworthy, and hence why they're not reporting it. (I'm also assuming the same with respect to Obama, of course.)
April 28, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The gop strategy is to tie Obama to Wright like the Dems tying mcwar to bush.
The gop can't tie Wright to Clinton.
The choice is clear.
Obama should and will drop out.
April 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
And what will you do with all the Democrats who will abandon ship if she is the nominee?
How do expect to win when fully 1/3 of Democrats are just as bored with Hillary as I am?
Please shut up and go away.
April 28, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eh, nearly 1/4 think Obama should get out. I'm not sure this validates your constant rantings.
April 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it validates yours? Don't stalk other posters.
She has a right to her opinion, as you have a right to yours. 1/4 isn't 1/3, especially when Obama's in the lead. Deal.
April 28, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
TWO WORDS FOR TENAX ON REV WRIGHT
1. HA 2. HA
Combine them for future reference.
HOPE CHANGE will get Barry out of this mess too.
April 28, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The GOP strategy? Dude, you've been on here doing exactly that for WEEKS. So, are you with the GOP? Are you part of their strategy?
And don't give me that "we're-only-bringing-up-what-the-GOP-would-do-in-the-fall" crap. She's really insulting Americans' intelligence with that line.
April 28, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The GOP strategy? Dude, you've been on here doing exactly that for WEEKS. So, are you with the GOP? Are you part of their strategy?"
I do not see any other reasonable way to interpret his comment.
April 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, but even without resurrecting Whitewater and her remarkable success in the cattle futures market (which they most assuredly will) they'll be able to tie her to Peter Paul, Norman Hsu, the Chicago Seven, Bobby Seale, and the Black Panthers. And they'll be real connections, not phony made up connections (not that that matters to them or the MSM.)
Obama was eight when Ayers' pals were setting off bombs. Hillary was in her twenties and was actually on the streets during the Democratic Convention in 1968. She can pal around with Sciafe and Murdoch until the cow futures come home, it ain't gonna to hold back the flood of manure they've been piling up in the barn for four years in anticipation of this day.
April 28, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
After hearing the last three Wright events, I'd say it's going to be pretty tough to tie Obama to Wright. They'd need to work pretty hard at it to make that charge stick any longer. Wright is clearly his own man, with his own agenda.
He's brilliant, by the way, and I don't think they're going to be able to paint him as some angry, black, anti-American nutcase. After the last three appearances, pretty much everyone in America knows that Wright volunteered for 6 years of military service and that he stood by President Lyndon Johnson while he recovered from heart surgery.
April 28, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
O fuck the Republicans.
They are confident? Good - that's just where I want them - confident.
They are fucking idiots. Really. Who doesn't think so? Who?
for the love of all that's good - what is the matter with people?
April 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Poll Shows Erosion Of Trust In Clinton
PHILADELPHIA, April 16, 2008(Washingtonpost.com) This story was written by Anne E. Kornblut and Jon Cohen.
Lost in the Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign's aggressive attacks on Barack Obama in recent days is a deep and enduring problem that threatens to undercut any inroads Clinton has made in her struggle to overtake him in the Democratic presidential race: She has lost trust among voters, a majority of whom now view her as dishonest.
Her advisers' efforts to deal with the problem -- by having her acknowledge her mistakes and crack self-deprecating jokes -- do not seem to have succeeded. Privately, the aides admit that the recent controversy over her claim to have ducked sniper fire on a trip to Bosnia probably made things worse.
Clinton is viewed as "honest and trustworthy" by just 39 percent of Americans, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, compared with 52 percent in May 2006. Nearly six in 10 said in the new poll that she is not honest and trustworthy. And now, compared with Obama, Clinton has a deep trust deficit among Democrats, trailing him by 23 points as the more honest, an area on which she once led both Obama and John Edwards.
April 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those numbers are terrible. I think even W had numbers higher than that for a few years.
Overblown. McCain is linked to John Hagee. So much ado about nothing.
April 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 28, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Greg gets paid by the word.
April 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
You really need to ask?
April 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmn. That IS an odd choice.
That said...am I the only one who is utterly terrified by Wright's media tour?? I just went to Daily Kos and they are all acting like it's the greatest thing ever.
I thought the Bill Moyers interview was GREAT and I wish he would do more of that. But the speech last night and then today's zoo session...? He seems not even one iota interested in the fact that Barack Obama is running for President. He obviously couldn't care less and I don't think this will help with folks in Indiana.
That said...I suspect that anyone who didn't jump ship at the height of the controversy, when the clips first emerged, isn't going to do so now. Still. I wish Wright wasn't such an attention hog.
April 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know if you're the only one, but I do know its time for Democrats to stop being so goddamned terrified of stuff all the time. Google up FDR's first inaugural and give it a read. Fear is disempowering from a personal standpoint and crippling on a mass scale.
That said, I find the thunderous MSM silence following Wright's appearance with Bill Moyers encouraging. It's like there was nothing they could say about it without admitting that they had cruelly and wrongly caricatured the man so, instead, we got an embarassed silence. It is entirely possible that his press apperance will have the same effect on them and it is eminently possible that the narrative can be swung that way if the troops can get over their case of the yellows every time the guy's name is mentioned.
And that's why I find Greg's pre-framing of the event, "The reappearance of Jeremiah Wright in the news -- with no assist from the Hillary campaign -- probably won't help matters in this regard" to somewhat inappropriate. It was exactly the kind of comment I'd expect from Ben Smith or Jake Tapper or the other minions of the Axis of Imbecility (ABC-Politico-Fox), but I expect better here. No one knows yet how Wright's appearance will go down with the MSM types, but if liberal blogs are already pre-framing it as a potential disaster for Obmama, they enable and pre-validate that MSM narrative ("even some liberal bloggers were panning Rev. Wright's decision to keep opening his big unhinged scary negro mouth in advance of his speech.")
April 28, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Obmama." Not to be confused with My Mama or Yo Mama. Sheesh. I don't even have the excuse of texting this time.
April 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no problem with it. Wright has been caricatured, and has every right to defend himself. The MSM on TV today is having trouble smearing him because his words contain truth, and the more he speaks, the more it piles up, and it becomes difficult to smear with a straight face. Gerlado Rivera had this exact problem on Fox on Sunday after the Wright speech.
Let him speak. I would not mind a bit if he gave the Detroit speech in Denver. His appeal that difference is not deficient is a proud Democratic message worthy of embrace.
Keep in mind: those who "fear" Wright need you to be afraid also, so you will be deaf to the truth.
Pax,
M.
April 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a pattern with Greg. He's an unrepentant troll who happens to have a job working for TPM. And he loves stirring up trouble with bullshit.
April 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the Republicans are confident then they are more delusional than Clinton suppoters about their chances of victory.
When McCain speaks...people snore. He's like a human form of Nyquil.
Obama, whether he's tarred and feathered with Wright and Rezko henceforth, is going to shellack McCain in the general, particularly as the economy continues to go pear-shaped and Iraq descends further into the shitter.
April 28, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poll: More Than A Third Of Dems Think Hillary Should Drop Out
doesn't that mean that two-thirds (which, last time i looked, was more than a majority) DON'T think she should drop out?
Or am i doing the math wrong? My ph.d.'s in philosophy, not math...
April 28, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are doing the math wrong. If more than 1/3 of Democrats think that HRC should drop out, than means that less than 2/3 of Democrats think she should stick around.
April 28, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
That poll means that not even all of Obama's supporters think Hillary should drop out. There's a surprise.
When mentioning that the reemergence of Jeremiah Wright happened without an assist from the Hillary campaign is is good to remember that the original emergence of Wright happened without Hillary as well. The media had long known about Wright, and it was an issue waiting to happen. I'm sure Obama had written his thrity-seven minute speech at least a year ago.
April 28, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bullshit. Total, utter, complete bullshit. it was not "a story waiting to happen." It was a story the MSM had already looked and and written off. It was only Team Hillary's incessant peddling and pushing and lobbying the MSM to get into it for that story since before Super Tuesday. That, and her whining about how mean those big mean men in the MSM were to her is what finally got them back onto it. There was a story about the story on Politico that frankly admitted that.
April 28, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Either Democrat will kicks mcCain's ass in the Fall. We just have to decide which one. Clock is ticking. Clinton better start winning the 65-70 percent of the delegates left to be the one.
April 28, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya'll know I support Obama. I lost respect for the Clintons et al.
BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT. I learned a lesson during the Reagan years. Never ever ever vote for a Republican. And I suggest the same thing to everyone. We have to take back the White House and all other branches of government.
Repugs are good at only one thing..... framing the conversation. Let's work on that, instead of hammering each other.
April 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no intention of voting for a Republican this year. But I'm under no obligation to vote for a Democrat who walks, talks, and acts like a Republican when it's politically convenient for her, either.
April 28, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I doubt you'll need to. The last thing the Democrats want is a divided party going into the election. And they know that once Obama has secured the nomination, one of Hillary's biggest demographics--the women's vote--will jump to Obama in a heartbeat. No woman is going to vote for a guy who calls his wife a c*nt in public and who has sworn to overturn Roe v. Wade.
April 28, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
So that means 2/3rds or 66% of Dems believe she should stay in? I think she would like the results of this poll.
April 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, only 54% thought she should stay in the race.
April 28, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is already linked to Rev. Wright. The GOoPers don't need to do anything more. The damage has been done.
If the good Rev keeps opening his mouth and basically validates that what was heard in the video clips was NOT taken out of context, it will certainly continue to hurt Obama. If he truly cares about Obama he would set his ego aside and realize that it is best to keep his mouth shut for the next 6 months.
April 28, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Right Reverend Wright will connect with the real religious folks from the right(not the snake handlers,Liberty U. folks, or the 700 Club) and Catholics,and McCain be in a pain. It is best to leave Wright alone.
April 28, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Too much truth there, a powederkeg waiting to explode.
April 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
actually, the more I hear of Rev Wright, the more I agree with him. Granted, his opinions might be more than people with more worldly goods than I might wish to hear, but 'he ain't wrong.'
I also heard that the church he is part of is who started the Peace House in Crawford, TX of Cindy Sheehan fame. That is not bad, in my opinion, either!
with Clinton and Obama running neck and neck I don't see how either half can casually condemn the other half's vote and opinion, though.
makes for bad feelings all around.
April 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wright is not only right, he's fearless and really funny besides. I admire the heck out of him. And I loved how he pointed out today that while he served six years in the military, Cheney used his position and his influence to get five deferments.
April 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to say, his speech in Detroit yesterday had me standing up and cheering at my T.V. If anyone has yet to see it, please do. His fearlessness, I agree, is to be admired.
April 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on.
No one has done more for less-than-two-thirds of the Democratic Party than Barack Obama.
April 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean aside from the media?
April 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rasmussen only called Huff(Obama)Post, New Republic, and TPM readers. Hillay is going nowhere and why should she, Barry Obama is melting.
April 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have intellect. Your shame is that you willfully set it aside.
April 28, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah Marnginal Player, Barry Obama is melting under sniper fire. BTW his middle name is Hussein. Say it loudly, Barry Hussein Obama. One more time, Barry Hussein Obama.
What a doofus!
April 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The media drones are already declaring that Wright's re-emergence on the scene are damaging to Obama. MSNBC chooses a clip from the Natl. Press Club appearance about if God wants Obama to be president....
Andrea Mitchell just said that the Clinton campaign didn't bring up the issue of Rev Wright.....
Interesting that she and Greg are on the same page. Did the Clinton camp push this talking point?
April 28, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yah, saw that too. There is a difference in tone this week, though. I don't know if everyone is just tired or what, but the attacks lack the fire they had last week. I think the truth is piling up, and when this happens, we can be rest assured, the MSM will move on.
April 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The numbers of Democrats who think Hillary should drop out is rising, and has been rising since March. 37% is a worrisome figure for her, because how many people who think she should drop out, are going to vote for her and basically throw their vote away?
April 28, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
whoops, 34% that is.
April 28, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why do Clinton supporters hate blacks so much? I just don't get it?
April 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I predict that McCain throws a massive aneurysm over the summer. I'm not wishing it, I just think he's a time bomb waiting to explode. Then what? As for Andrea Mitchell--why doesn't she just marry Hillary? Every time her wind tunnel face comes on the air, I have to run for the remote. She has done more to keep Rev. Wright in the news than anyone.
April 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I give this scenario a 60% chance. Look at the left side of his face. Both cheeks are full, but the left one is swollen. He resists releasing his medical records. Once suspects lymphectomy following a diagnosis of melanoma. Lymph, a sink for toxins, now pools in his face.
When the dems get their nominee and the the focus shifts to McCain, his temper will assure metabolic revolt.
Watch for the Shadow of Huck haunting the Old Soldier.
Pax,
M.
April 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Something is not healthy about that face, and his eyes are always really dilated. I wouldn't wish your prediction on anyone, but I think you're right that once the general election picks up, his blood pressure is going to spike like crazy. And there's a reason Huck hung in there for so long.
April 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
his eyes are dead.
he's a stone, hardened killer.
he flew 23 missions against the infrastructure of North Vietnam; from the anonymity of the cloudsm he showered death and destruction on innocent civilians, indiscriminately.
mebbe in POW camp he got to think about that, and he died inside.
what you see is the zombie/ghost of John Sidney McCain...vile, corrupt, unprincipled, murderous in his rage.
Yup...#44
April 28, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
On CNN they reported the lymphectomy as the reason for the swelling in his face. this radical procedure is performed to stop the potential spread of melanoma through the lymph system. This was really glossed over by the media and the candidate himself lied by selectively speaking about his medical records - saying he had just had skin cancer removed from his face, but did not mention the lymphectomy procedure.
The HRC story is that her negatives are going up and more people in April than March believe she should exit the race. This is despite the media spin that she has a chance.
April 28, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not McCain you should be worried about. It's whoever his VP is gonna be. Probably some neoconservative psychopath just itching to take over the reins from McCain.
April 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't matter. Voting fraud + Clinton clandestine campaign to sink Obama will more than make up for it.
April 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
What an idiot headline. (No offense, idiotic).
In other words, the majority of those polled don't mind if HRC stays in the race.
I'm an Obama supporter, but this is the sort of news spin I left the MSM in order to avoid. Just report the stuff, guys. Spare us the spin.
April 28, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain...has or has had cancer, bad.
his silence on the matter suggests there might be something to hide.
Shall we start a (really nasty, indiscriminately hurtful, very Republican) meme : John McCancer ?
Me, well, i'm a low-life dfh, and i like it...
April 28, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Observing the comments of voters in Pennsylvania, I'm beginning to think they should get Hillary because that's all they deserve. They want to play stupid. They don't want to bother to use their brains. She's all to willing to accomodate them. It's a match made in heaven or ....
April 28, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink