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Poll: Hillary's Favorability Rating Lower Than Obama's Or McCain's -- In New York
That's what a new Siena College poll out today finds.
It suggests that the harsh campaign Hillary is running against Obama could be blowing back on her in her home state. Hillary has a favorability rating of less than 50% in New York -- 48%, to be exact. It's the lowest ever in Siena polling.
Meanwhile, Obama has a fave rating of 54%.
Even John McCain has a higher fave rating than Hillary in New York -- he checks in at 54%, too.
Nonetheless, Hillary is beating McCain 46%-42% in the state, while Obama is beating him 45%-40%.
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April 22, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's another big ass surprise.
Ho hum. If you lie, get ugly, start talking about bombing Iran, make all kinds of unverifiable statements like Obama is playing the race card, and you get caught lying over and over - well, duh.
April 22, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll tell you what else is ugly--I just saw Howard Wolfson on MSNBC and the whining he is doing about being outspent in Pennsylvania is unbelievable! He far outwhines anything Obama allegedly did after the last debate, and not only that, acts as though Obama somehow stole the money rather than having lots of enthusiastic supporters who send another check every time Hillary launches a new smear. Complaining about Obama's full coffers is like complaining about folks being excited by the election.
April 22, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
So much for Hillary's "electability" argument. She can't even run better than Obama in NY?
This New Yorker plans to vote for Mike Gravel if Obama is not on the ballot.
April 22, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
She already blew that theory - she threw all the appliances at him and he's still standing.
She undid her own goddamn argument - that's how nuts she's gotten.
April 22, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Write in Obama. Please. The message it sends is light years better.
April 22, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's my Plan B.
April 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The reasoning here being, I presume, that New York is a largely Democratic state. So any Republican that uses overly aggressive tactics against a Democratic opponent will have their favorable numbers driven down.
April 22, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Billy, it is a largely Democratic state mostly because of New York City ... there are many parts of upstate New York (and Long Island, for that matter) that are pretty conservative and will vote for McCain in a heartbeat. Even though we have 2 Democratic Senators, we had a Republican governor (Pataki) until Spitzer was elected, and we have a Republican state Senate ... it's really a strange state in that way.
I have a good friend in New Paltz (where I live, which is a pretty progressive community) who, if Hillary doesn't win the nomination, is voting for McCain because of the terrorist fear factor. And she's a Democrat - she's just bought totally into McCain's "moderate" fantasy and believes he is strong on defense. And there's no talking to her. I can see why McCain's polling fairly well in this state - I think we New Yorkers will have our work cut out for us this fall.
April 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's Democratic in all the larger cities, not just downstate (and you, in New Paltz, count as "downstate" to this Rochester raised former New Yorker)---so it might be tough, but I still see NY as Democratic. And Pataki was a more moderate Republican than mcCain.
Although, given the ridiculous media coverage of McCain, people may never appreciate how conservative he actually is.
April 22, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
New York City's past two mayors (Giuliani and Bloomberg) have been Republican too, though both are liberal on social issues. I think if the Democrats manage to actually pin McCain down as conservative on a wide range of issues, he won't be a challenge in New York. I don't see him aggressively campaigning here either when there's other states more ripe for the taking.
April 22, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you're right, but if the polls keep showing McCain close he may spend some of his resources here. I know a lot of people who really buy into the whole "McCain is a moderate" fantasy and like the fact that he's "strong on terrorism" just by virtue of the fact that he has combat experience. They're not doing any research at all, and it will be up to us to get the message out that he's anything but moderate on social issues and will be worse than Bush on Iraq.
April 22, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is just bewildering (and incredibly frustrating) to me. What do people think Clinton (or for that matter McCain) is going to about terrorists that Obama can't or won't?
The McCain-is-really-a-moderate thing is going to be a problem, and would have been for Clinton as well. Especially with her idiot husband pimping it. She had no freakin' idea what a GE campaign was going to be like.
April 22, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe by terrorist fear factor, Carol means her friend is one of these nuts who thinks Barack is actually a terrorist plant. Carol?
April 22, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, no, I wouldn't say that she thinks he's a terrorist plant, but the Muslim thing is definitely a part of it (even though I've tried to convince her time and time again that it is patently false). I also agree with the other posters about the larger NY State cities being fairly Democratic and I didn't mean to imply that the entire state outside of NYC was Republican. But there are large swaths of upstate NY that are about as red as they come. CT Voter, as a born-and-bred NYC person, we considered Westchester to be upstate (hell, we considered Yonkers to be upstate) until I actually moved north and discovered how freakin' big this state was LOL! :)
April 22, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't I know it. I went to college at BInghamton, and laughed my butt off when the downstaters called Scarsdale "upstate".
April 22, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Party way too much credit. New Paltz is represented in congress by a Democrat. Long Island is trending heavily Democratic having thrown a pretty corrupt GOP machine out of office. If the Democrats take the State Senate, redistricting will pretty much mean the end of the Republican party in the state. I mean just look at the clowns they put up in every statewide race in '06. Alan Hevesi had admitted to misusing a state employee to chauffer his wife and he still won in a cakewalk.
I don't disagree that there are a few bigots who won't vote for Obama, but he or Clinton will win the state in a walk.
April 22, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, he is blody and tired, but he is still standing. I think he has come of the shock of being stole on(that means punched) by one of his own from behind
April 22, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bloody!
April 22, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
In my teeny, unscientific sample from friends NJ, I'm getting reports of buyer's remorse on Hillary.
April 22, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if anyone's doing a survey like this in Illinois. Her negative campaigning did damage to her in her own state - imagine what it did to her in Obama's state. The electability argument is weakening.
April 22, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I can tell you that this New Yorker will NOT vote for her in the generals (I'll write in Obama - just to clarify, I will NEVER vote for McCain or any other Republican). Nor will I vote for her again when she runs for Senator in 2012. She has lost me forever with her underhanded, Republican-like tactics and her shoddy campaign. And she hasn't done a hell of a lot for upstate New York, either - I think even Matt Weaver (who claims to be from upstate) will attest to that!
April 22, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's exactly the way I feel about it now. However, the good news is that we won't have to.
She's done. She's done for one overwhelming and insurmountable reason - She's Broke. Her donors are maxxed out.
April 22, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting point here: Clinton's got about $20 million socked away for the GE while Obama has about $8 million. 1) Can he close the gap? (I think so); 2) what happens to her $$$ if she's not the nominee?
April 22, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
What Carol? Are you suggesting that "Hellary" will actually run for senate again in 2012. I thought she wuld be behind bars by then, tried and convicted of nuking a nation thousands of miles away...oh wait, she wont even get to be president.DOH!
April 22, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's some buyers remorse here in Connecticut, based on my teeny unscientific sample as well.
Go figure.
No one could have anticipated that going negative would pile on more negativity on a candidate who had an extremely high negativity to begin with. No one.
April 22, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
To paraphrase Amy Poehler on SNL, the special interests aren't going to give into our demands just because we ask them to. What we need is someone so demanding, so annoying, so bossy and shrill, someone with a personality so unpleasant that the special interests will say "Enough! Life is too short to deal with this awful woman!"
April 22, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only problem is that that person has to be elected first.
April 22, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thats one heck of a persuasive argument you've got there.
April 22, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight. You're giving advice you took from SNL?
By the way, good luck with the steam-roller strategy. Let me know how that works when you meet another steam roller.
April 22, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is still drawing a pension of $58,358 that was not listed as income on his return. He just released that info via his spokesman. Watch below regarding his personal wealth, this needs to be seen by everyone. MSM should be talking about this!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7PfSEtiXPw
April 22, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah when you start using Osama Bin Laden in your ads you have stooped to gross Republican tactics. She is a SHAME to the party.
April 22, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
But, but that's not fair. Hillary has the necessary experience in fighting the mean old Republican Attack Machine, but this hope thing is hitting below the belt.
People don't realize that Hillary intentionally lost Universal Health Care, drove up her negatives and set the climate for the fall of the Democratic majority in Congress in the 90s. It was an excellent strategic move in preparation for her run on the presidency and bears no relation to her current situation.
April 22, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has become the Republican Attack Machine draped in blue.
April 22, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
She's done. She's done for one overwhelming and insurmountable reason - She's Broke. Her donors are maxxed out.
C'mon Tena, you don't really believe that. Neither does anyone here. If you did, you would wooing her supporters, which is hardly the case here.
April 22, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't waste 2 seconds trying to woo a bunch of trolls, or anyone else online since no one really knows who the fuck they are talking to.
No - y'all are on your own there.
And she is broke - you can pretend otherwise, but it's a fact. Everyone knows that - UC Davis is threatening to sue her.
I love your gravatar - it's the sexiest picture of Obama yet.
April 22, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
A bunch of trolls. That's Mark Simmons for you!
April 22, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tena, why is UC Davis threatening to sue her? I missed that one.
April 22, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton campaign owes the university for an event that was held there before Super Tuesday.
Feb. 5, just in case you've forgotten.
April 22, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. I knew about the guy in Portsmouth, NH, who had to go after the money they didn't pay for his space for local HQ. He finally collected, then turned around and donated it to Obama. Sweet!
April 22, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Word up, Tena! No use wasting breath on such folks! ;)
April 22, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wolfson was asked about this very thing by Brian Williams on MSNBC today and he lied outright: "We are paying our vendors and we have a lot of money coming in." he assured Williams. I don't know why Williams didn't call him out on it!
April 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't mean woo me silly. I'm talking roughly half the party you need to woo. Or is it you think Obama can take McCain with half the party? Among the dumbest propositions I've ever heard, that would rank right up there.
April 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, you are going to fall over if you keep trying to trip me up by tripping yourself up.
How do you know what I am doing when I'm not online?
How do you know I'm not out there "wooing"? Besides, Obama already won Texas.
April 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Half the party" assumes all Hillary voters are petulant narcissists who think they're hurt feelings are more important than the party or the country (maybe that's why they liked Hillary in the first place).
April 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
They do take it personally - the only Clinton supporter I've seen argue policy for policy is dijamo.
The rest just troll for her.
The reason I won't vote for her is personal in that all votes ultimately are - but it's my personal belief she'd be one fucking lousy president. That's why I won't vote for her.
God, look at her campaign - it's in shambles. She cannot even run a campaign successfully. Anyone who thinks she could run a country is insane.
April 22, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
It goes both ways, because Hillary would have to woo our half, aka, The Good Guys. And Barack attracts more independents and republicans. And one area where Hills tops Barack is in her ability to energize the Repug base.
April 22, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually Hillary has stated numerous times she would support Obama, and do whatever it took to get him elected. Far cry from Obama, who as far as I know [I could have missed it] has never said any such thing. In fact, MO has said she would have to "think about it". Who is the petulant narcissist?
April 22, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
what are you talking about?
It took 1/2 an hour of grilling for her to admit that "yes, yes, yes" she thinks Obama could beat McCain!
Obama has often complimented Hillary, and has always said she would be a great President.
April 22, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you - yes he has. And never reluctantly, but with grace.
If trolls would just work a little harder on telling the truth, more people might - might fall their bullshit. For awhile anyway.
April 22, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, MO was asked if she would support HRC, and she said yes. Then the reporter asked if she would work for the campaign, and she said she'd have to think about it. You know, she'd have to think about how much time she would have as the mother of two small children to campaign for a different candidate. People have priorities in life. Not really that shocking.
She doesn't have to be "wooed" into not doing something destructive for the country out of spite, as so many Clinton supporters like to announce, without embarrassment, that they are willing to do.
April 22, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Utter nonsense - he has praised her many times, said she is a worthy opponent and would make a fine President, said she was qualified to be CIC - as SCMadden just said, it took months and months (and 1/2 hour at the last debate) for her to say that Obama could beat McCain (note, she did NOT say that he would make a good President). Please stop this nonsense.
April 22, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama hasn't hesitated, no long pregnant pauses, or qualified his supportive comments of Clinton with, "as far as I know." He has definitively stated multiple times his support for Clinton.
April 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
By half hour I think you meant less than 3 seconds.
April 22, 2008 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are so delusional - you act like we haven't all seen the vid.
less than 3 seconds? It was like pulling teeth. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
April 22, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, the trolls say they will not vote a Dem.
Why are they on a Dem blog? To troll I guess.
Obama playing the race card on President Clinton is exactly what w did to mcwar.
The trolls should post at RW blogs because their hero is running like a RWinger.
April 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton should fire back by claiming Obama fathered a black baby.
April 22, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Two.
April 22, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even worse. A repeat offender.
April 22, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
WTF are you guys talking about? She was asked if he was electable and she replied immediately "Yes Yes Yes".
April 22, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck using fact and reason with these trolls.
They have overdosed on Obama's kool aid and spew they will not vote for her if she is the nominee.
These trolls are gop.
April 22, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look you pathetic creature - It is impossible for Obama supporters to troll a board where they are the majority opinion holders.
You troll this board. You and weaver and milo and the other nuts.
There are some legitimate Clinton supporters here - like dijamo. I don't agree with her, but she's legit, and you aren't.
Or else you are so damn dumb you can't come across as anything other than a troll. Whatever.
April 22, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO
yeah yeah yeah.
Gibson asked, there was silence for about 3 seconds and she had to pull that Yes out like she was pulling her own intestines out. It was quite something to see, actually.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 22, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shrillary:
The more you know her,
the more you come to loathe her.
April 22, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a lifelong NYer recently exiled to Purgatory (aka New Jersey) I would offer the suggestion that her vicious campaign against Obama, her Bush-supporting positions on Iraq & Iran and her loony-tunes nuke threats may have potentially damaged her chances at re-election to the Senate.
There was already a large anti-Hillary faction in the state; if she permanently loses further support she could be in trouble. Frankly, if I were still living in my beloved home state I don't think I'd vote for her again for senator, as I did in 2000.
April 22, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think her Farrakhan race-baiting is going to make the African-Americans in NYC eager to vote for her.
April 22, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
If she doesn't get reelected, think Bill will stay in his Harlem digs?
April 22, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suggest we all relax a little. We have a good 2-3 months to go with this. Let's each say something nice about the other candidate. I'll start:
Against my better judgment, I would hold my nose super hard and reluctantly vote for Obama.
See! Not that hard. Ok you're next Tena.
April 22, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I will not hold my nose super hard and vote for her - she's my Senator and she's done nothing for New York, she's run an abysmal Presidential primary campaign, and she's resorted to Rovian tactics. No sir - I will write in a candidate before I vote for her.
April 22, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was nice?
Can you say something nasty, just for comparison's sake?
April 22, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
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April 22, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink