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Plouffe Rules Out Use Of Whitewater Or Cattle Futures Against Hillary
I noted below that it was unlikely that the Obama campaign would use Whitewater, cattle futures or any other 1990s anti-Clinton flim-flammery against Hillary in the days and weeks ahead.
Well, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe was just asked whether the campaign would be raising such stuff.
"We're not gonna do that," Plouffe said. "We have not talked about those issues in the campaign, and won't."
Guess that's the end of that.
Late Update: Here's the audio of the call:
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Well gee I'm surprised, since they haven't run that kind of campaign yet.
April 23, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
"We're not gonna do that," Plouffe said. "We have not talked about those issues in the campaign, and won't."
Looks like another Obama camp lie.
Here's from an Obama campaign memo:
link
The politics of personal destruction continues...
April 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but today is April 23. That memo is dated March 5.
April 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's your point? He says they have not mentioned these issues. They have.
April 23, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton's tax returns = Whitewater and cattle futures?
April 23, 2008 11:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe NG is referring to the last bit:
Yeah, I'd count that as "going there". Still, I'd say it's the exception rather than the rule.
April 23, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you Ben. Sometimes I post things and truly think no one even reads them. Like, they are physically incapable of reading any information that might show Obama in an even somewhat negative light. Thanks for keeping it real.
April 23, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why use outdated 1990's stuff when Hillary provides fresh meat everyday. Latest being "OBLITERATEgate". (I could'nt resist)
April 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Love it! I would suggest shortening it to "Obliter-Gate".
April 23, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny that the Clinton campaign will say he attacks her, and I even heard last night that they believe the Obama camp used the "kitchen sink" strategy.
lol... How much catch up and "me-too" can the Clinton camp continue to play?
April 23, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
But now it's out there. So the question is whether the media will be fair and balanced and ask these questions of Hillary.
April 23, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude...
April 23, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, according to Stephanopoulos, there are no major policy differences between the candidates and so this is the kind of thing he thinks the media should be asking. At least when it comes to Obama.
Let's see if they hold Hillary to the same standard now that she's claiming that she's got all the momentum.
April 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, the best thing the Obama camp can do is to keep talking about how they aren't going to use it. They can be Clintonesque without actually going there.
April 23, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely the right decision. Forsaking the underlying rationale and M.O. of his campaign would be nothing more than a bow to Shillary's scorched earth approach. Yet another reason to donate to him again this morning. Another $50 for our nominee!
April 23, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank goodness! I just posted on my fears about this. Hopefully, the media raising the question will be enough to remind voters of all the dirt the Republicans have to sling against her should she make it to the gen.
Thanks for the update--hopefully Obama's campaign stays true to its word.
April 23, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The gop already did that and they were cleared odf all the gop charges but I am sure the "new kind of politics" will be Rovian.
Out spent 3 to 1, his own media including the blogs, and he takes another thumpin in PA.
What a fighter Clinton is.
The choice is simple. If the supers want to win this time and not lose three in a row, they should vote Clinton. Period.
April 23, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do you care to explain the pardons and all the money the Clinton's recieved from the pardoned, because the GOP will be asking if (god forbid) she wins the nomination.
Hillary is unfit to be President. She's just too dirty. Obama may be too much of a gentelman to point out hillary mud coating, but the GOP will.
April 23, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
What happened to your bloviating 30 percent?
April 23, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good question, wasn't gottalife saying Hillary would win by 30%? I guess he sucks at predictions, and at picking nominees.
None of us take gottalife seriously anyway, he is a troll.
April 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
You said 30 points, then changed it to 20. It's less than 10 (which was a decent showing for Obama). Aren't you supposed to go away now?
April 23, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was typo, I meant 10.
"Conservative 'Willie Horton' group running
anti-Obama ads in North Carolina
A group of conservative activists led by Floyd Brown, author of the famous Willie Horton ad used so effectively against Michael Dukakis in 1988, have begun a campaign to tar Obama as weak on crime and terrorism, a strategy that aims to upend Obama's relatively strong reputation among Republican voters".
April 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
And you're happy about this? Some Dem you are.
April 23, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did I say I was happy?
Can you read my emotions on this blog?
I hope he counters with all the money you sent him.
April 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, I can't read your emotions, but consider your track history, it was a fair assumption. That said, he's already responded:
April 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol of course gotaLIE isnt happy.
he is a masochist,and gets his emotional high by thinking people hate him. thats why he posts the way he does.
yes gotaLIE i CAN read you
April 23, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was not a typo, you liar. You restated your prediction numerous times.
Are you supporting Hillary because she, like you, is a compulsive liar? Birds of a feather...
April 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really?
THATS GOOD NEWS!!!! FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!
April 23, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
**Oh shoot! If they're using these kind of tactics do you think they might get all nasty and dig up all the dead friends, cats, and dirt on the Clintons? Hope not. It would be such a Tuzsla. She might get obliterated. Might even bring all those silly woman problems out. Damn. Hope it doesn't happen. Ahhh Hsu! Sorry. sniffy
April 23, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The outspent argument is nonsense. He has more money because he has more supporters willing to give him their money.
Stop parroting your candidate’s laughable spin.
April 23, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
The spin is laughable but I only post facts not spin.
April 23, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Facts? Like your 10points Hillary win in PA?
Except it was actually 8.6,so count with me now...30...20...10...8.6 (There)
April 23, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see . . . from 30 to 8-and-change. Doesn't that make Hillary some kind of "momentum candidate"? The MSM would have us think so. As Chris Matthews said so tellingly last night (I paraphrase), "Another great night for cable news! This thing keeps going!"
April 23, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
False accusations, scurrilous insinuations, and the politics of personal destruction were good for Hillary?
April 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
You meant Obama?
No, he went off message to prove he is not a different kind of politician.
Actually, you can whine but this fight is tame compared to other elections.
April 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, now that she's blown through her remaining cash that she generated by stiffing her creditors holding on (dare I say, clinging?) to a state she already had in the bag, I'm looking forward to seeing how your "fighter" does in a state where its even and in one where she's twenty points behind.
But hey, I'm sure the flood of money from "new" supporters she's getting after her great victory will more than make up the cash on hand difference between her and Obama. Once she fights off the horde of vendors with over-90 receivables who'll be banging on the doors of her headquarters, that is.
April 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Er, another "typo" there. You meant 2 to 1 (or 2.2 to 1 if you want to be nigglingly accurate).
April 23, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they wanted to act like that there are dozens of issues that are much more juicy.
The pardons have never been explained. Hillary's family members getting paid for the pardons? Never explained. Hillary's first run for the senate and contributions from pardoned people? Never explained.
The 109 Million made by bill in the last 8 years, much of which came from foreign sources (read terrorist sponsors), never explained.
Good lord, if Obama wanted to play that way whitewater and cattle futures are comparitively small potatoes.
But you see, regardless of what Matthew Weaver, Dembolic and gotalife say, Obama is a MUCH better person than Hillary, he won't go there.
April 23, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
"We're not gonna do that," Plouffe said.
There are very strong rumors that Hillary is going to appoint Bill as permanent representative for peace on the international space station. A brilliant move like this will obviously sway many of the super-delegates to her side.
Plouffe may have to renege in very short order.
April 23, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does that mean he'll live on the Space station? lol That should help her in her promise to keep bill out of trouble lol
April 23, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, good on 'im, but I hope they don't think McCain and his little friends would follow the same rule.
"Vetted" and "old news"... Codswallop.
April 23, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
They're also unlikely to distribute doctored photos of her kneecapping Nancy Kerrigan. I'm not sure why either revelation is newsworthy, though.
April 23, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, it was Chelsea who prompted the kneecapping -- back in her ice skating days -- Tanya Harding was framed by the Clintons. Jeff Gilooly and Shane Whatever the Hell His Name Is were paid by the Clintons to do the job, but Chelsea couldn't close the deal and break into the top three. Something about having to score a certain number of points by actually skating. So Harding had to take the rap. They would have cleared her, but she refused to sleep with the former Pres... and thought the "cigar thing" was ... well, a waste of a damn fine Cuban.
April 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton didn't even get a double digit win in Pa. She started out 30 points ahead of Obama, and managed to make her negatives go way up while still managing to eke out a single digit win.
Big fracking deal.
Nothing is changed.
April 23, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing is changed? Oh, that's not true. Hillary is now broke, that's what has changed.
9 pt win, ~15 delegates and a bankrupt campaign. Sweet victory, indeed.
April 23, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some commenter (I think Chuck Todd on first read) was saying Obama used a "Reagan" strategy. During the cold war the US just outspent the USSR and managed to bankrupt them, and that is similar to what Obama did in PA.
He lost anyway, but did he win by losing?
April 23, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that was a great analogy.
April 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I had been trying to think of an analogy for it. What I really like about that particular comparison is that it equates Reagan to Obama, thus giving Sean Hannity night terrors.
April 23, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, you are right. :)
April 23, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's technically called a Pyrrhic victory.
April 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
i agree with that!! I think Obama did a good job last night. He closed the gap considerably. Now it's on to NC and IN and don't forget Guam. Go O!
April 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a fighter that Hillary is! Her tremendous fighting campaign succeeded in halving her margin of victory compared to the pre-campaign polls, and in losing significant ground compared to Ohio in all her core demographics. "Twas a famous victory, indeed!
April 23, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
"It was much better than 'Cats.' I would see it again and again and again."
April 23, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
That sounds like a nice segue for TrollCritic 3000 . . .
April 23, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rex Reed agrees.
April 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Win the remaining contests by 71%. Beat him in NC. Cut into his base. Why is Hillary losing African Americans by such a startling number? She clearly has a problem there, and if she wants the super delegates to believe she can win in November, she's going to have to start winning more than 10% of the African American vote.
Again -- stop whining, stop asking Dean to change the rules so you can win, just beat him by the terms you agreed to at the beginning of the contest. Close the deal.
April 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Some counted me out and said to drop out," an exuberant Clinton told cheering supporters who packed a hotel ballroom in downtown Philadelphia. "But the American people don't quit. And they deserve a president who doesn't quit either."
Thank you Senator and keep fighting for us.
April 23, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
85.2% of all remaining delegates is what she needs to overtake his lead - not gonna happen!
Oh, and Obama picked up another super this morning. So much for "momentum". ;)
April 23, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I too am pleased Senator Quixote will continue to tilt at her windmills.
April 23, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, keep fighting your fellow democrats. beat them. flay them. Burn them to the ground. Yeah.
April 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, dude? She's not fighting for YOU.
April 23, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, what I would like to know is when you're going to post this:
Oklahama Gov. Brad Henry, who said earlier he would not endorse a Democratic presidential candidate until this summer's national convention, announced this morning he is supporting Barack Obama.
Why did this ridiculous non-issue need 2 posts (you already indicated in the initial post that Plouffe said they weren't going to use these issues), and we've had to learn about this Obama superdelegate from a reader post? Is this not newsworthy?
April 23, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen, Carol. This site needs to not traffic so much in spin and distractions...
April 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
And I'm still waiting - oh, well, The Field did a nice post on the endorsement. Guess I'll have to be content with that...
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1107
April 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The NC GOP are running a sleaze-o ad against Obama.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/NCGOPs_antiObama_ad.html
Gee, could it be that they want Clinton as the GE nominee, so they can more easily crush her?
Would be interesting to hear the Clinton supporters' analysis of why Clinton is not receiving these kinds of ads...
April 23, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
So we have another first in the Obama campaign. First candidate to have two opponents.
This has just got to burn for Hillary supporters. Obama's been through Wright-gate, bitter-gate, Ayers-gate, Farrakhan-gate, he's got ABC News gunning for him, McCain gunning for him, Fox News gunning for him, the GOP gunning for him, and he's still ahead in every metric that counts.
Clinton, in the meantime, is almost completely broke, and couldn't even break a 10% victory margin in a state that was practically designed for her. Her campaign is a mess, and she's alienated the base of the Democratic party. Which means she can probably kiss her political future goodbye.
Tough times for the Clintons.
And how long will it be before Bill Clinton is back in the news?
April 23, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
**Well Bill can always have a little "heart" episode, and try to garner some of the pity vote.
April 23, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The North Carolina GOP is a joke. Everyone knows that, even local conservatives.
The Dems expanded their statehouse majority with the House speaker under indictment (for pretty serious corruption, of which he was guilty) and on the front page of the paper every morning. This despite his refusal to step down, or even to abstain from running for re-election. Presidential year, too. Perfect storm for the state GOP and they lost seats. They have NO IDEA what they're doing.
April 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also, this news from Plouffe is a shame, because I was hoping to see David Axelrod shoot a watermelon at some point in Indiana.
April 23, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Obama campaign stays classy.
And, has made good gains in some key demographic groups, while Clinton has lost ground in those same demographic groups. So much for fighting, Hil.
And Bill, Finger Waver in Chief, isn't going to drop from the campaign news.
April 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not according the article I read last night about her campaign - it's a mess. First of all, Bill has moved himself and his people in, lock stock and barrel. No one can control him - he gets mad if anyone dares try. Every single top advisor in her campaign staff loathes and despises every single other top advisor in her staff.
There is a low level war going on, no one knows who is in charge. No one can keep them on message cause no one knows what it is for sure any more. And they are broke.
Sounds like a real fun time.
April 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
And she owes Mark Penn $4.3 million!
April 23, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
AT this point, anyone who gives her money needs to ask themselves if they really want to pay off Mark Penn.
April 23, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, ready to lead on day one.
April 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ready to start a nuclear war on day 1...
April 24, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's not being talked about is that this disaster of a campaign is what we can logically expect her administration to look like - right?
We should turn over the country to the Hillary that can't plan, can't execute, can't tell the truth, and can't manage money? Or is it the one that has promised to nuke the Middle East?
I would suggest that evidence of mental instability should be a deal-breaker for a presidential candidate. I believe that leaves Obama by default.
(I like your icon. Named my cat Lulu in her honor.)
April 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another donation of 25 today, and i will give another 25 next week...
He got another endorsement today for the governor of Oklahoma and the got the endorsement of 26 lawnmakers in NC yessterday, and another endorsement of a SD from Ohio on Monday...
The delusional Clinton is now telling the world she has won more votes...and that she should get the nomination...She has really no decency, and does not care about the rules of the party...
This is so sad...
Let's hope the SDs will end this ASAP...
April 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
i new and believed that hillary would win Pennsylvania......... Go Hillary.
I am so looking forward to the guam caucus, indiana & north carolina contestes that are coming up.....
I wonder what the national polls will show in the next few days and what the polls in guam, indiana and north carolina will show........I feel a tight race:)
If you include michigan & florida..... hillary would know be winning in the over all popular vote.... If you don't include either one... she is losing by only 400,000 votes.... GO HILLARY!!!
If Obama can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen..... I hope they keep using that line:)
Zogby and Suffolk polls showed hillary winning pennsylvania by 10 points.... I hope they keep polling for the other states:)
Drudge Report had Hillary's Pennsylvania Data Leaked all over the internet the other day, showing that she would likely win pennsylvania between 9 to 12 points.... and she won by 10:)...wtg hillary:)
Obama only won 7 counties and out of the 7, 6 of them he hardly won... ... Philadephia is the only county that kept the race tight because he won over 65% of the vote there.....
April 23, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to knit-pick, but she won by 9. And got ~12 delegates. Obama will easily make up those 12 in NC in 2 weeks.
April 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought caucuses were supposed to be bad and undemocratic. Activists running a muck and all that.
April 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
But it's over Hillary.
There is no way HRC will be the nominee.
She lost the nomination after Super Tuesday, which was the day Terry McAuliffe and David Ickes predicted that the race "would be over."
Instead, Super Tuesday was the beginning of the end for Hillary, because HRC had no campaign for the rest of the primaries and caucuses in February.
Take a deep breath, and repeat after me:
It's over.
Fini.
The End.
Aloha.
April 23, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to tell you, but your popular vote count is wrong. And Hillary is going to get her ass handed to her in NC. But thanks for playing!
April 23, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Al Giordano from The Field had a very good post this morning about the yardstick that supers can (and most likely will) use in determining support. It's a very good read and very good news for Obama.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1105
The money quote:
I believe we'll start to see the supers rolling out over the next few days once they realize the inevitability of this nomination.
April 23, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for this link.
I just can't believe the supers won't see the down-ticket value of having Obama be the nominee. Just look at the Bill Foster victory in Hastert's old district, of all places. How symbolic is that?
April 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Considering the amount of money that Starr spent investigating Whitewater without finding anything, I'd think everyone would be willing to give it a rest.
But I don't think Hillary's success in cattle futures has ever completely explained.
Those disappearing and reappearing Rose billing records were awfully convenient for Hillary too.
April 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude.
Did you know that two special prosecutors who were assigned to investigate Bill have never been taken off the payroll? They just switched to Hillary about 5 years ago.
True. The Dallas News actually picked up on this a couple of years ago.
April 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, I did not know that. Do you have a cite?
Maybe that's what Hillary means by saying that she's vetted.
April 23, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this but...
Why can't HILLARY close the deal?
Always its "why can't Obama?" Seems to me like its the other way around-or could be interpreted that way. She *was* the presumtive nominee, she *had* all the money, she *had* the huge poll numbers, etc.
Just sayin'...
April 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
btw, you guys see the obama contributor counter is going up fast now.
April 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
The spin is like a tornado today on Obama's media.
Bottom line, she crushed him like in the last debate. Lets have more so he will melt down again.
April 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Melt down? If you expect him to start crying you are a fool, that is Hillary's trick.
April 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Meltdown? As a Knicks fan, I know what a meltdown looks like. It's being up in the 3rd quarter by 20 and then losing by 10. It's not being up by 20 and then winning by 18.
April 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course it is. The nature of the race at this point is that primaries are only important to the extent that they can be presented to superdelegates as a reason to support one candidate or another. That's why there's so much casuistry about how a 10% margin of victory is a super-huge blowout if you were outspent, or was, in fact, really a loss because the demographics were so favorable to you.
I know it may pain the more idealistic voters to hear this, but spin is a basic political task that every politician has to engage in. If Obama's people manage to sell the line that Clinton's win in PA wasn't actually a win at all, well, good for them and shame on HRC's campaign.
April 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol, I believe now that what will happen is that we'll see what you said we'll see - SDs pledging to Obama.
But like he said on Jon Stewart - he's resigned to the fact that she will not drop out until the rest of the primary states have voted (those eligible to vote - note: trolls, before you start with MI and FL.)
But I suppose that could change if she can't keep pushing the juggernaut just on her own steam - there's no money to buy fuel for it, and that may be the inevitable ending of this sooner rather than later.
But right now I predict it will be after either just before or just after Puerto Rico. It will be slap if she cuts them out at the last minute, but it isn't like they aren't used to being stepchildren. LOL!
April 23, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! ;)
I think (and hope) that it will be before then. The supers have to see that this is an exercise in futility and is hurting the party. No matter how much strong-arming by the Clintons is going on.
April 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yah, that's my big hope, too, Carol.
April 23, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
sorry, hyperRevue.... But NO News Channels or News Papers show that she won by single digits nor do they show that she only got 12 delegates... you might want to check into that...
Obama Supporters, its funny how you come on here and say....oh she ain't going to win pennsylvania or if she does its going to be single digits and then when she turns around and does....you play stupid.....
anyways, GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!
April 23, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, too much spin today.
April 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
The AP doesn't count? Interesting...
April 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and please find me an Obama supporter who didn't think she'd win PA. It's the perfect state for her and he was able to cut 20+ deficit to 9 pts. We hoped he'd keep it close (whether he did or not is open to debate) but no one reasonably thought he'd win.
April 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
CNN doesn't count either? This is why we can't take Clinton supporters seriously - they are really bad with the fact thing...
Here's a fact - she needs 85.2% of remaining delegates to overtake Obama's lead. You think that's gonna happen?
April 23, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
No 08, we can do math. It's a glorious thing! I wish more journalists would try it. Josh did and it made him cranky the first time, but it gets easier with practice.
April 23, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, if you care to do the math, CNN shows right now that she won by less than 10%. As of this moment, CNN shows that Clinton won 1,258,278 votes or 54.69% of the total votes cast. Obama won 1,042,573 or 45.31% of total cast. 54.69-45.31=9.38. I hope that I do not need to labor long to convince you that 9.38 is less than 10. In other words, she did not crack the 10% threshold.
April 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good blog on DKos about the absurd "popular vote" argument - worth a read!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/23/01152/2705/129/501246
Clinton needs 85.2% of remaining delegates to win - not gonna happen!
April 23, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
This win by HRC will go the way of NH, Super Tues and OhXas. The media and the rest of the talking heads all cluck on about Hillary's win (she does deserve a day or two to enjoy her win) but then the dust settles and people realize that HRC's odds of winning are actually going down with each successive contest. A week from now, there will be more talk of Obama vs. McCain and the GE.
More predictions - if Clinton goes extremely negative, the supers will come out in greater numbers for Obama.
The Nat'l polls will show a little bump for Clinton over the next week but by next weekend that will all but dissappear and Obama will be back up to 10pts.
April 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"We're not gonna do that," Plouffe said. "We have not talked about those issues in the campaign, and won't."
Looks like another Obama camp lie.
Here's from an Obama campaign memo:
link
The politics of personal destruction continues...
April 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, would stop linking to something that's from March 5? It's April 23, in case you didn't notice.
April 23, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, we have not talked about those issues is clearly not true. They have.
April 23, 2008 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, I'll bite. How is their lack of transparency on current, post 2000, income "the same issues" as talking about Whitewater and Hillary's amazing streak of luck in the cattle futures market?
April 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh come on! Don't play naive. Those memos about the tax returns asked what's in them? He didn't mention the cattle futures innocently. He was implying that we need to see what's in the returns because who knows what might be out there.
April 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
At first I thought you were being naive, but then I realized you probably just didn't read the whole quote. I'll put only the part that applies:
April 23, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm excited that Obama will have a chance to strike the death blow in NC, and hope like mad that he has a post-election rally in Raleigh so I can be there!
The likely NC margin will be 15-25 points. No, I'm not worried about the "expectations game" here.
April 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why should the Obama campaign suddenly go positive now? They've been increasingly engaging in negative politics. Why pretend to be above it now?
April 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a tool.
Black is white.
Up is down.
Hillary has run a positive campaign.
Otto: In search of a clue.
My take: He won't find one.
April 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew 7:5
April 23, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
My thoughts exactly...
April 23, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
To nitpick -- it's "nit" = lice eggs, not "knit."
If you pick at knitting, it falls apart; if you pick out nits, you get to engage in the most eye-straining, detailed task imaginable.
April 23, 2008 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn. You got me.
April 23, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I actually think this is a good strategy... Float the idea that you might look at the Clinton's past, then get the media to ask you the question. Say "Everyone knows about Clinton's past", and that it's not necessary to go there.
Media outlets then follow with "Obama's campaign won't dredge up Clinton's past", and then the media outlets themselves will proceed to do so, by saying all the things that the Obama campaign won't bring up, just to remind us what Clinton's past is...
I've already seen articles about this that talk about "Whitewater, Travelgate, Lewinsky" etc. So - the past gets talked about - but the campaign isn't the one doing it.
Sneaky and smart...
April 23, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Forsooth, the injurious Newes Paper hath deceived me once more! By the application of the arts of arithmetic (taughte me by an Infidel Moor) to chiffres obtained from Ye Official Penn-Sylvanie Webe Site, mine slate displays a single digite quantity of whole:
(Lorde, we beseech that this Webe Site accepteth our PRE tag.)
anyways, a double digit number of exclamation points === VICTORY FOR HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!
April 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like 9 points, to me. But the number 9 doesn't exist in Hillaryland.
April 23, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong!
9.2% is double digits. I can count 2 digits, can't you?
April 23, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!!!!
April 23, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fine by me. That means that when Obama wins IN by 5.2%, we can claim a stirring, double-digit win.
April 23, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
What'll be more impressive is Obama's triple digit win in NC.
April 23, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's no contest in North Carolina. The media has already written it off. Which raises a question, has their been a contest where Clinton was TRAILING by double . . . er triple digits and closed the gap to double digits? To my mind that answer is no, but I've not done the research.
Anyone know? Greg? Eric?
April 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bet 69 does though :) Sorry this subject is pretty silly. As if every time he utters "rejecting politics as usual" that people don't know what he is referring to. His surrogates have been pretty ruthless throughout this thing. The CM that he has been Mr. Sunshine throughout is hogwash.
April 23, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes I wish there could be a temporary parallel universe in which - for just a month or two - Clinton gets the Democratic nomination and is simply SHREDDED by the Republicans with all the scandal, mud, inuendo, etc. that is sitting in her closet.
In her self-protective bubble, I'm sure she thinks she's super-tough and doesn't even begin to imagine what she could be hit with if she were up against anyone except Obama. He's doing the right thing, and the best for the party and it's chances in Nov. ................. but a nasty little part of me would really like to see her get it full in the face. When I think back to how she exploded and raved when John Edwards said a few harsh words during a debate ..... it wouldn't be pretty. Except for a couple of moments like that, she's received the kid-glove treatment from her opponents throughout this whole process .. and doesn't have the sense to even appreciate that fact.
April 23, 2008 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was suggested somewhere that Obama should devote one week to totally negative attacks on Clinton, pardons, Monicagate, sniperfire, now tying us into a suicide pact with Israel.
While it won't happen, that would be interesting to see.
Just to make sure the candidate is "electable", of course, for the good of the party.
April 23, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't we get one "Clinton in Debt" story to comment on?
April 23, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain says no to NC ad; he wants a clean campaign.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080423/pl_nm/usa_politics_mccain_ad_dc
April 23, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I marvel at myself for saying this, but... yay McCain!
April 23, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a jury says about the Clintons' alleged scandal involvement is nothing compared to what the Rove playbook says.
We should remember, though, the Karl Rove playbook lost to the Democrats playbook in 2006. It also lost to the democrats playbook in 2000. Even the most blatantly negative Rovian knee-capping commercial wasn't enough--they lost the popular vote and had to steal the election.
Karl Rove gets a lot of credit, but as of today, he's been the architect of the Republican minority.
April 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
TWO opponents? Plus McCain and the entire corporate establishment, plus virtually all the talking heads on TV news -
I'd say he's outnumbered by a few well-armed battalions and a couple of carriers, and he just keeps brushing off incoming barrages and raising money. I haven't had so much fun watching TV in years.
April 23, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whitewater, et al, are objective facts that call into question Hillary's character. That's entirely different from making an issue of who wears a flag pin or who is more patriotic.
So far, the media has treated Whitewater, Travel Gate and File Gate, with kid gloves. Doesn't seem fair, really.
April 23, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Were not going to talk about cattle futures and Whitewater"
That's talking about it. See the memo they wrote about talking about it.
http://thepage.time.com/obama-memo-on-clinton-tax-returns/
April 23, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"David Plouffe WAS JUST ASKED asked whether the campaign would be raising such stuff. ...."
So are they are supposed to refuse to answer the question so as not to appear to be "talking about" those subjects?? Of course, if they coyly refused to answer a question, then they would be accused of drawing attention to the issues by being coy.....
It is a very legitimate question to be asked --- how would you suggest they respond?
April 23, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why the hell not?
Isn't it important that we thoroughly vet Senator Clinton and prepare her for the nasty attacks she's sure to suffer at the hands of the GOP? It's in her best interest that we raise all the issues she'll surely face in the general election, isn't it? It's what's best for the Party, after all.
April 23, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
you poor naive people who don't understand the #1 rule about posting on the internet.
DO NOT. FEED. THE TROLLS.
Gotalife is not a Clinton supporter. he is not here to promote or defend his candidate. not even a bad one, though often the line between true troll and fanatic Clinton supporter is a thin one. he just wants to get a rise of out responders. he is the former; a classic internet troll.
trying to have conversations with a troll just makes the comments sections look bad for any neutral parties looking on. if you leave him alone and stop trying to engage him he will go away. please do that.
April 23, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on folks. People who were paying attention noticed that the Obama camp raised the so-called scandals of the 90s, including Whitewater, many times in many direct and indirect ways going all the way back to the contest in Iowa.
I was not particualarly put off by it at first, but when they started quoting from Jeff Gerth's NEW book about Hillary Clinton, I was irritated.
April 24, 2008 7:44 AM | Reply | Permalink