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Obama Camp: Ickes Story Shows Hillary Campaign Taking "Low Road"

The Obama camp has now taken a direct shot at the Hillary campaign over our story yesterday reporting that Jeremiah Wright is a topic in discussions between senior Hillary adviser Harold Ickes and the uncommitted super-dels the Clinton camp is wooing.

Asked about our piece on a campaign conference call moments ago, an Obama surrogate, Congressman George Miller, said it was "very unfortunate" and suggested it wouldn't work.

"If they want to work the low road they're welcome to it," Miller said. "But I don't think that will turn people in their favor."

Relatedly, stay tuned for a TPMtv episode all about the Ickes story. We'll have one up at TPM in a couple hours.

Late Update: Here's the audio of Miller on the phone call:


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How about asking the Clinton campaign about her tax returns?

By DEVLIN BARRETT

Associated Press Writer

12:20 PM CDT, April 2, 2008

WALLINGFORD, Pa.

Democrat Barack Obama said Wednesday he talks regularly with former vice president Al Gore and would consider putting him in a Cabinet-level position or higher.

A woman at a town hall asked the Illinois senator if elected president would he consider tapping the former vice president for his Cabinet, or an even higher level office, to address global warming.

"I would," Obama said. "Not only will I, but I will make a commitment that Al Gore will be at the table and play a central part in us figuring out how we solve this problem. He's somebody I talk to on a regular basis. I'm already consulting with him in terms of these issues, but climate change is real. It is something we have to deal with now, not 10 years from now, not 20 years from now."

The only position higher than a Cabinet post is vice president. While Obama seemed to dangle that possibility in his answer Wednesday, he has repeatedly said it is far too early to discuss potential vice presidents because the nomination has not been won.

It is also not clear that Gore, who had the job for eight years under Bill Clinton, would even want to be a vice president again.

Since leaving the White House, Gore has gone on to become one of the world's leading voices for combating the greenhouse gases blamed for global warming. His work earned him a shared Nobel Prize.

Now very popular among Democrats, Gore is perhaps the single most coveted endorsement up for grabs in the long-running competition between Obama and rival Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The relationship between Gore and the Clintons became strained after Gore limited Bill Clinton's campaigning on his behalf in the 2000 presidential race which elected George W. Bush.

Obama said he would use Gore to help forge a cap-and-trade system for carbon emissions designed to lower pollution.

The Illinois senator cautioned that such a system could mean an increase in electricity bills from power companies that rely on coal-burning, and that some of the money generated from a cap-and-trade system may be used in the beginning to help lower income or fixed income customers with those bills.

He also called on individuals to do their part to lower energy consumption.

"All of us are going to have to change our habits. We are a wasteful culture," he said.

Using compact fluorescent light bulbs, energy efficient appliances, and unplugging power chargers when they're not in use are relatively simple solutions, he said.

"Those kinds of simple steps, if everybody takes them, can drastically reduce our energy consumption."

Obama / Gore.

Now THAT's a Dream Ticket!

The ticket will be either Clinton Murtha or Clinton Clark.
It will not feature the limp wristed one.
I mean seriously a 37?

Clinton / Murtha?!?

Holy crap, glad you're not in charge.


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1. who cares if our president can bowl or play tidlywinks?

2. The media is getting this one wrong as well. He did not bowl a 37. He did in bowl a whole game so there is no score.

Isn't 37% Hillary's approval rating?

"Words matter" as we've heard ad nauseum and what the Rev. Wright said will matter to a lot of voters, believe it or not, not all things are relevant to skin color. Rev.s Hagee, Robinson, Falwell et. al are just as guilty.

And if they are running for POTUS, then they matter more. Or if their views are endorsed, espoused or propounded by a particular politician.

I'm sure you, like Ickes, knows that Obama doesn't espouse, endorse or otherwise support Wright's views (as narrowly defined by YouTube) and will work hard in the fall to push back against any attempts to suggest otherwise.

Wasn't the conference call about Clinton's lies on NAFTA? Are you going to add more about that, Greg?

Fluffer,

Greg is only required to post Clinton campaign conference calls, so we should be thankful he posted this one at all.


I want to know what the full conference call was about, and posting the audio doesn't work for me since I'm deaf.

Just found a summary of the conference call on NAFTA:

On media conference call Obama communication director Robert Gibbs accuses Clinton of continuing to distort her record on NAFTA, citing Clinton’s Tuesday claim to AFL-CIO audience in Philadelphia that she “raised a big yellow caution flag” on the issue.

“Her opposition to NAFTA is just as much of a stretch as her story about landing in Bosnia under sniper fire.”

Rep. George Miller, who dealt with program in Congress when it was being passed, says her schedules show a number of instances where she advocated for it.

“If she was such a strong opponent of it why didn’t she ever speak to us principle members of Congress who were going to vote on the matter?”

http://thepage.time.com

Posted April 2, 2008 10:39 AM
The Swamp

by Mike Dorning

PHILADELPHIA — Barack Obama mocked rival Hillary Clinton this morning for comparing herself to the movie character Rocky Balboa as he offered Pennsylvania labor leaders a speech laden with red-meat economic populism.

Rocky

Clinton has made the theme song from the 1976 movie "Rocky," which was set in Philadelphia, a part of the soundtrack of her Pennsylvania primary campaign. When she appeared before the same Pennsylvania AFL-CIO state convention a day earlier, she invoked the fictional working-class boxing hero to explain her determination to continue her campaign, declaring that, like Rocky, “I never quit.”

“There’s been some talk about Rocky Balboa over the last couple days. And you know we all love Rocky,” Obama told the labor leaders.

“But we got to remember Rocky was a movie,” Obama continued. “And so is the idea that someone can fight for working people and at the same time, embrace the broken system Washington, where corporate lobbyists use their clout to shape laws to their liking.”

Obama pounded away at corporate excesses and Republican economic policies.

“We’re ready to play offense for organized labor,” Obama said. “It’s time we had a President who didn’t choke saying the word “union.” A President who knows it’s the Department of Labor and not the Department of Management.

“Over the last seven years,” he said, “we’ve had an administration that serves the interests of the wealthy and the well-connected, no matter what the cost to working families, and to our economy.”

As he has elsewhere during his bus tour through Pennsylvania, Obama attacked $19 million in bonuses given to the two top executives of Countrywide Financial, a subprime mortgage lender that issues many loans now in foreclosure. The executives negotiated a sale of the company with losses to investors but the new owner, Banc of America Corp., recently revealed bonuses to the same executives.

“The system is broken – and over the weekend, we got a reminder of just how badly it’s broken,” Obama said, describing the bonuses. “That is an outrage. That’s not the America we believe in. It’s time to take on the special interests and level the playing field so that our economy works for working Americans.”

Obama pitched an economic agenda that includes middle-class tax cuts, a plan for universal access to health care, and stricter labor, environmental and safety provisions in trade agreements.

And he linked presumptive Republican nominee to the economic policies of the Bush Administration.

“John McCain said a few weeks ago that ‘the issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should’ – and that’s clear since all he’s offering is more of the same Bush policies that have put the American Dream out of reach for so many Americans,” Obama said.

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So...there's no hard questions here. You just play the instigator between the two camps, running back and forth on the playground, "Oooh, he just said this about you!."

Great. I thought that was lame in 4th grade. Nice to see "journalist" adhere to that 9 year old mentality. Next time, you get on one of these conference calls how about asking an important question or passing the reins to someone who will?

The conference call with Rep. George Miller was about Clinton's lies on NAFTA, and I don't hear any reporting of that from Greg here. I'd really like to get the full conference call summary.

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Amen. This is not news. I'm so fucking sick of this back-and-forth, "he-said, she-said" stuff. Grow up, America.

I would like someone to explain to me this entire issue of “Disenfranchising” voters. According to the Clinton camp, the people of Florida and Michigan will be “disenfranchised” their delegates are not seated and their voices are not heard. Okay, I understand that part of the argument, that we in America believe that people have a right to vote and the results of that vote should be binding and absolute.
What I don’t understand is the second part of the discussion, and that is regarding the role of the superdelegates. If you agree with the above stated argument, then how can you argue that the superdelegates should OVERTURN and IGNORE those same voices and wills of the voters of the entire nation? Taking both sides of this argument seems like hypocrisy to me. If the will of the votes is supreme, then you cannot then argue the point that the superdelegates should overturn that same will of the voters.

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Are you expecting a rational argument regarding disenfranchisement?

Dream on, dude.

Clinton will fight to make sure no one is disenfranchised. Heroically, and endlessly. Unless, of course, those disenfranchised voters voted for Obama. Then she will fight just as heroically to ensure that they remain disenfranchised.

See? It's really quite straightforward: Clinton rules.

I agree with you, but it seems the Clinton's argument is BECAUSE the FL and MI votes won't count, then the Superdelegates need to elect her, even though Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI.

Regardless, the question is not whether this is rational, fair, or anything else. The question is: are the Superdelegates biting?

And the answer seems to be "NO."

Thus, Bill loses his cool, and more Supers endorse Obama.

The problem though SCMadden is that the argument is directed at the electorate. It is directed at the electorate so that they will consider the selection of the nominee by the SD's as ILLEGITIMATE!

Hillary is hammering away at the legitmacy of the entire nomination process such that her supporters will not accept any nominee, other than her, as legitimate.

That is the true game she is playing.

That is why the superdelegates need to come out enmasse NOW, and not wait until the convention.

Even still her AND BIll are challenging the entire process.

It is UGLY.

They are intentionally and deliberately destroying the party and will make it impossibe for the party to field a winning candidate unless it is Hillary.

Nothing else will be accepted. The Clintons and their supporters will sue and fight the party.

Which is why they are floating that Obama/Clinton ticket again..along with attempting to get the candidates to agree to accept the VP slot whomever isn't the nominee.

The FIX is IN.!!!

It is Hillary or BUST.

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The supers should not stop this. That would just drive Clinton voters into an unnecessary fit. Show a little patience. Obama is winning. He sill continue to pull even further ahead. She should not be forced out before June 10 unless it is by finances or by voters.

Can someone tell me whether there is any formula by which some approximation of actual numbers of votes cast can be tabulated based on caucus results? I think this becomes important too because of the way the Clintons are misrepresenting the caucus process -- as if somehow "real voters" don't figure in at all.

bikerjim, Have you ever watched your bike wheels spin ? You get the picture ?

Better for the Party's chances in November that all the dirt comes out now, rather than after the nomination. I think everyone knows, or at least fears that the Wright issue hurts Obama, especially with Republicans. If people are mad at Hillary for using it to try to win the nomination, think of how they will feel when the GOP swift boat teams start their attack the day after an Obama nomination. I'm sure they've already put together their first video.

Oh, and by the way, speaking of what the GOP will say, here is Carl Rove:

"There are Democrats, particularly blue-collar Democrats, who defect to McCain because they see McCain as a patriotic figure and they see Obama as an elitist who's looking down his nose at 'em. Which he is. That comment where he said, you know, "After 9/11, I didn't wear a flag lapel pin because true patriotism consists of speaking out on the issues, not wearing a flag lapel pin"? Well, to a lot of ordinary people, putting that flag lapel pin on is true patriotism. It's a statement of their patriotic love of the country. And for him to sit there and dismiss it as he did—

"Obama is coolly detached and very arrogant. I think he's very smart and knows he's smart, but as a result doesn't do his homework."

Well, who am I to question the great genius Karl Rove, whose very words seems to elicit fear in otherwise rational Democrats.

But, there are two ways to look at this:

Rove is right, and he's looking to help to Democrats nominate the stronger candidate. (I'll let you decide how likely this is).

Rove is wrong, and is actually scared of Obama because he seems immune to Right-wing attacks.

The idea that Obama doesn't do his homework is hilarious. He's run the best campaign since Reagan, and is about to defeat the CLINTONS, the most successful politicians of the last 20 years!

So, to think Obama can't beat McCain, who hasn't had to answer a hard question yet, well....

I'll take my chances with Obama, with all due respect to Mr. Rove!

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So, when TurdBlossom says "to a lot of ordinary people, putting that flag lapel pin on is true patriotism", that's not looking down your nose at the "ordinary people"? What a load of crap. I'm elated that Obama refuses to wear a cheap-ass lapel pin that's probably made in China anyway. And I hardly think it's "looking down your nose" at "ordinary people" to talk to them as if they're reasoning adults. It might not work, but I'm glad somebody is finally at least trying.

Yes. So tired of the tyranny of the misinformed voters. Let's please give someone who doesn't pander to ignorance a chance.

The fact that the Clintons are taking the low road only proves that Obama is a liar and he is unelectable and you people are all crazy and in November Hillary will wear her tiara of power and then YOU will be the trolls!

Sincerely,
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Any update on taxes?

They were promised. Please ask them!

As opposed to McCain, who is arrogant, very dumb and doesn't do his homework or even know that any has been assigned?

Obviously it is the media and the Obama campaign has taken the road thru Hell in sliming Hillary.
It is so funny to hear the Whiny, Whining, Obama supporters complain every time someone points out the hypocrisy. Oh Boo Hoo. Poor little limp wristed 37 pin bowling chicken Obama.

The trolls here think it is okay if Obama does it because they hate their President and his wife.

Disgusting.

gotalife and dembillc! Love the work you guys are doing to promote the positive message of your candidate. I'm sure Hillary is proud of all the new voters you've convinced to support her!

Hillary '08 - With friends like these two, who needs crabs?

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A) You're an idiot
B) Whining is Hillary's main mode of communication
C) Hillary has been sliming herself. It is not Obama's or the media's fault that Hillary can't tell the truth, that is Hillary's fault.

So, to paraphrase:

"Those stupid media people and Obama people saying all those terrible, evil things about Hillary.

By the way, Obama's supporters are whiny complainers, while Obama himself is a limp wristed chicken"

There's some good logic for you.

Alway taking the high road and elevating the tone of the discussion. Thanks.

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Thank you, dembilic, for your thoughtful post. The way you analyzed the issues, raised the level of debate, stayed issue-focused, and generally contributed incisive political points is truly inspiring. I look forward to many more on the same high level as this one. Have you considered a career as a political analyst?

Don't get your panties in a bunch Obama supporters. Just because Obama proved bowling that he is a wimp does not mean that he isn't a pansy as well.

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Oh, dembilic, amidst all your incisive, issues-oriented points, I missed the specifics on precisely how the Obama camp has "slimed" Senator Clinton. I'm sure you're on top of this, and have lots of unimpeachable specifics at the ready, so please do catch the rest of us up on this issue, or point out the specifics in your post that I might have missed. My eternal thanks.

One of John Kerry's greatest strengths going into the 2004 election was the fact that he was a decorated Viet Nam war hero running against an unpopular President who served only in the "champaign unit" of the National Guard where he had a questionable record of attendance. So suddenly we had the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth", and Kerry's military record advantage was neutralized.

One of Barack Obama's greatest strengths and appeals is that he was perceived as someone who can transcend America's racial divide, offering America a chance to put its dismal history of racism behind and move on. Then comes Obama's playing of the race card in South Carolina when Hillary was accused of belittling MLK when she said it took LBJ to push through civil rights legislation. Then came Michelle's "proud of America for the first time" remarks. Then came the words of Obama's pastor, "important mentor," and Obama campaign's religious adviser Jeremiah Wright. Then we learn about "Liberation Theology" which is a cornerstone of Wright's church where Obama sat for 20+ years. Then Obama says during his years in Wright's congregation he never heard some of Wright's most inflammatory racist rhetoric, though it is well known and has long been available on CD right there at the church. Then Obama compares his grandmother's words to Wright's diatribes, and refuses to disavow Wright. Then when accused of selling out his devoted grandmother, he slips and calls her "a typical white person".

No need to wonder what the swift boat ads are going to look like this time. Clearly Obama will not make Kerry's mistake of failing to respond immediately. But unlike Kerry, Obama himself has provided his critics with all the ammunition they need. He'll surely be giving more speeches on race. And just as surely, he'll be on the defensive. And if he or his supporters resort to calling his attackers racists, it will only highlight that fact that Obama is not the candidate who can transcend America's racial divide and help America move on.

I see why you're so worried, because absolutely nothing has changed in this country since 2004. Bush's popularity scores are exactly the same, the economy is still humming right along and people are still peeing in their pants every time DHS says "Bin Laden!!!! Code Orange!!!!!"


Wow! No wonder we got our asses handed to us in the 2006 midterms.

Yep, we'd better ignore the primaries, play it safe and nominate Hillary. With her base popularity levels being so high, the Republicans having absolutely nothing whatsoever negative to say about her, and Bill having been absolutely perfectly faithful since that little slip-up with Monica, she will surely deliver unto us the victory that we can never have with Obama.

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We can always count on you to sum it up. Thanks Steve.

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He seems to have found the right balance of response to the Clinton's on this issue and will handle the GOP with aplomb as well.

Since Obama is such a paper tiger, so easy for the opposition to tear apart and eat right up, how come two of the most astute politicians in the world can't manage to defeat him in the primary season?

If Obama is honestly that bad and the Clintons can't take him down, then honestly Hillary doesn't deserve to win regardless.

Honestly.

Sen. Barack Obama "raised more than $30 million in the month of March, a campaign official told Time on Tuesday. Though the official would not provide an exact number, he did say, 'The number starts with a three and we are still counting. It's in the 30s.'"

"One Clinton campaign adviser hinted that the New York senator's total for the month will come close to $20 million. That estimate could not be independently confirmed." However, there are "continued reports that the Clinton campaign is struggling with a persistent debt that at times has reached nearly $9 million."

On the issue of race the GOP has Obama over a barrel. Not only will they neutralize any perceived advantage he has as a "uniter", they will use the issue to portray him as a divider. It will be almost impossible for Obama's supporters to avoid calling his opponents racists, which will just prove their point that he is a divider, not a uniter. If Obama himself tries to somehow remain above it all, his own words from his books and on the campaign trail will be used to show that he is not above it all. The GOP can totally derail his campaign.

You are the one who keeps playing the race baiting card on this forum. Who needs Republican smear merchants when they already have you beating the race drum for them. Who do you think you are fooling.

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Well, I guess we Dems will have to get out a work a little harder to overcome the GOP, won't we? It's early days, much too early for doom and gloom.

Don't get discouraged Otto F, we have the numbers and we have the superior ground game. We'll beat the evil Repugs in November.

Look at Hillary herself. She has only about a 10% chance of winning this nomination but does she roll over and die? Nope. And when the Clinton and Obama supporters come together behind the nominee, we will win the GE.

newsflash: Doesn't matter what Republicans say. Republicans don't vote for dems; Dems do. There are more of us, so if we vote, we win.

Don't forget (because the MSM surely will forget!) to ask the Clinton campaign how much of that money is from maxed-out contributors and can only be used in the general. A lot of their past money was already of that kind, hence their deep financial problems dispete reporting seemingly gaudy fundraising numbers.

You have it all figured out! We should give up now, and admit that only Hillary can save us.

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I refuse to argue "electablility."

That is how we lost in '04. It's bullshit. No one knows for sure what the electorate will do but based on what's happened so far, Clinton appears to be more "unelectable" than Obama. But it's April 2.

November is a lifetime away and all it takes to bust through the Repug slime machine this time is all of us on the same page working to make sure they don't do it again.


If America is going to vote this November based on racial fears, and not on the Economy and the War in Iraq...then we are a bunch of morons, and I'm moving to Barbados.

Regarding Josh's post on the front-page....

I think it baffles many pundits that the Rev. Wright thing hasn't scared Red-state democrats into supporting Hillary Clinton, but Josh is really missing the larger point--that those of us not in New York or D.C. are painfully aware of the contempt most of the country feels towards Sen. Clinton. It may shock them, since the hatred isn't deserved, but it's the reality on the ground those of us out in the big red-yonder have witnessed for years.

This is why we never supported Clinton, in fact looked for the candidate that could take her down in the primary. We're much more worried about the seething antipathy towards Hillary than we are some minor flap about Sen. Obama's former pastor.


Brilliant. Your hatred of the Clinton makes his kook spiritual adviser okay. Amazing.

Wow, nevermind you are hating the President of your party and the First lady of your party.

No sense of decency, respect or loyalty.

It is all about you, you are the me generation and you are pathetic.

Did your parents teach you any manners son?

I see a trend here with the me generation. Spoiled brats with no manners or respect.

Wow, nevermind you are hating the President of your party and the First lady of your party.

Step aside, Howard Dean, gotalife has declared Bill Clinton "President" of the Democratic Party!

You know, gotalife, if I weren't such a nice person, I might think you were, well, sort of a retard.

God, that is sooo weird. "President of your party" was the name of my first band in junior high.

Gotalife needs to get a brain.

So, is that like President of the Party for Life or is there some expiration date on it? And if Hillary wins and then actually steps down when her term or terms are over, does she then become President for Life of the Party and if so, what does Bill become? President for Life of the Party Emeritus? Or merely Life of the Party?

All these new titles of nobility. It's all very confusing keeping up since we stopped being a Republic.

Get off my lawn!
I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you MEDDLING KIDS!

You, sir, or madam, are an idiot.

I never said I hated anyone. I said that Hillary's unpopularity throughout the red-states has given Democrats in these areas pause about nominating her, yet you twisted my words and then called me a brat.

You may have "gotalife", but it's not a very astute one apparently.

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If America is going to vote this November based on racial fears, and not on the Economy and the War in Iraq...then we are a bunch of morons, and I'm moving to Barbados.

I'll just move full time to Taos - it's not like living in the US at all.

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This is why we never supported Clinton, in fact looked for the candidate that could take her down in the primary. We're much more worried about the seething antipathy towards Hillary than we are some minor flap about Sen. Obama's former pastor.

Inasmuch as any number of Republicans I know - I live in Dallas, I know Republicans - have told me that they really believe the next president is going to be a Democrat and they have worried it would be Hillary Clinton, cause they don't trust her, I believe that too.


Josh Marshall asks this question on the front page:

"So why is it the Democrats from the reddest states and many from purple states seem to go for Obama over Hillary Clinton? If nothing else it seems to me that these people are voting with their feet on Ickes argument and they're not convinced."


The answer is so obvious that I can't beleive Josh missed it. The politicians in red states know for a fact that Hillary at the top of the ticket will galvanize the GOP voters to the polls and that bodes ill for all the Democrats down ticket.

Red state Democrats have far better chances of offsetting GOP votes with Obama at the top of the ticket as someone who will get the DEM's out to vote.

Ickes argument is persusasive to areas like PA, IN and OH where there is much more blue collar racism. In other words, the states with large populations of Reagan Democrats are the ones who will listen to Ickes. Reagan Democrates bought the southern strategy and voted against their own economic interests in the Appalachian region just so they could keep blacks off welfare, derail busing and oppose affirmative action.

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Red state Democrats have far better chances of offsetting GOP votes with Obama at the top of the ticket as someone who will get the DEM's out to vote.

O god, thank you so much for that.

This is one thing I keep trying to get across.

Texas is in play and I know no one believes that, but it is. If they put Hillary on the ballot - we will have a hard time electing the Democrats we need to elect, I predict, even though I don't believe in this idea of electability. I'm talking about turnout.

Brownsox at Daily Kos agrees with you Tena.

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/2/121845/9796/274/488897

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I think MS is in play with him as our candidate as well and they call me names to.

If the country feels "contempt" for Mrs. Clinton, as deadalus, it has a funny way of showing it. I always contempt was reserved for folks like Joe McCarthy. I usually don't ascribe it to people who are the choice of roughly half their political party to be president.

No, if there is contempt, it belongs with the media types who thought they could run her out of the race by declaring for Obama. They are shocked she wouldn't take their suggestions -- just as guys like Limbaugh and Hannity were that their political picks weren't honored.

Look, the hardcores support their candidate no matter what happens. There is nothing Obama could say or do that will discourage Josh, Keith Olbermann and the other media surrogates from supporting his cause and doing whatever is considered necessary to make Clinton look bad.

Frankly, I admire her for standing up to them and sticking to her guns.

She hasn't needed much help lately to make herself look bad.

SuperDelegate Count Since 2/5 (NBC) Obama 53 Tuzla Terrorist -5 (net)

The Clintons' Camp talks the talk while Obama walks away with the Superdelegates

I love this. Obama lies through his teeth 6 times about Wright, runs over his own grandmother comparing her to wright in his "I am not a crook" speech, has a 20 year association with a reverend who supports Hamas ( which is like supporting suicide bombing) calls the US the USof KKK, said we got what we deserved on 911,has his children baptized by him, doesnt have the courage or character or even the decency to be offended by these remarks, talks about :"voices must be heard" in every speech but tries to keep his hand over the mouths of 3 million people in Florida and Michigan and then they have the gall to talk about clinton taking the low road.

I read a comment somewhere that Obama is the most underhanded politician the commentator ever saw. When you factor everything in including his pathetically transparent good cop/bad cop routine with Richardson and Leahy calling for Clinton to quit and then Mr. Nobility stepping in and saying she should stay ( as if he has anything to say about it) he is certainly the most underhanded politician since Richard Nixon.

Can anyone tell me why TPM displays the two most discredited polls in the business in Gallup and Rassmussen? I think theyve both proved they have a margin of error of about 15.

One more Obama fan for sneaking him in the back door. Since every metric that can be used in political science shows Obama has no chance for the nomination and no chance to get elected and that when you count floria and Michigan she is going to win both the popular vote and delegate lead, we are all looking forward to Obama walking the walk which is to say, walking away. For those who can still count, Clinton has the super delegate lead.

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