Obama On Wright: "I Might Not Know Him As Well As I Thought"
At a press conference today, Barack Obama took some of his most aggressive steps yet to distance himself from his controversial pastor, claiming that the pastor who appeared at yesterday's Q-and-A with reporters "was not the person that I met 20 years ago" and that he doesn't "know him as well as I thought."
Here's the key quote, which Obama delivered moments ago:
The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church.They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs. And if Reverend Wright thinks that that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I might not know him as well as I thought, either.
The comments -- combined with the fact that he's devoting today's presser to Wright damage control -- underscore the degree to which the Obama campaign recognizes that Wright's sudden reappearance in the campaign has the potential to do him serious harm at a moment when a confluence of events are buffeting his candidacy.
More in a bit.
Late Update: Here's video of Obama's opening statement:
Late Late Update: Here's the Q & A:

Was very worried about this press conference. However, I'm breathing a sigh of relief. This is obviously both painful and necessary for Obama. Will it put Wright in hi rear-view mirror? I don't know. But this is essential to the viability of his candidacy. We'll see where it goes from here.
April 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
this puts nothing to rest. IF obama gets the nomination, the republicans will continue to shove this in his face until election day, where he'll lose big-time and go home with his tail between his legs. obama's solution to everything is to make a speech. not good enough for me.
only senator clinton can take on the republicans and win in november. you don't send out the rookie to get things done. you send out the mvp.
April 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
wow.
that's funny.
April 29, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
In that letter, the senator [obama] wrote ‘I constantly remember Rev. Wright as the shepherd who guided me to my commitment to Christ one Sunday morning at Trinity. I often consider, as I work in the Senate how he lives his life-a life of service to Trinity, Chicago and the nation; his activism on behalf of causes that few would champion and his dogged commitment to the first principles of love for God and fellow man. And in my personal walk, I seek daily to imitate his faith.’” - From BMW THE ULTIMATE BLOGGING MACHINE
yup. rejected wright indeed! and this man wants to be president? nope.
April 29, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has addressed the issue of racism in America the divisive,offensive remarks of Rev. Wright, and Obama's relationship too him.
Clinton supporter Sir Elton John recently said, with Bill and Hillary at his side: "I never cease to be amazed at the misogynistic attitude of some people in this country. And I say to hell with them." Hillary has herself often alluded to her struggles as a woman against evil men.
Is it time now for Hillary to show some courage, too, to make a major speech about misogyny in America, to address spefically the accusations of Bill Clinton's serial offenses against women, and her decision to maintain their relationship and to accept and even enable his behavior?
April 29, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
why should she? half the commenters on this blog "denounce" the revered wright along with obama with no problem, and then turn around and call senator the most vile, horrible things they can imagine. what was that one classy one recently? "george bush with tits?" lovely.
go look in the mirror first, and figure out what's wrong with YOU.
in the meantime, we don't want to hear any more damn speeches. we want solutions.
hillary '08.
April 30, 2008 2:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
"george bush with tits?"
That was me. I'm pretty proud of that one. I think it describes her pretty accurately.
April 30, 2008 7:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, good for you. keep at it. when do you graduate from middle school?
April 30, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ha ha ha. "MVP" - who's getting schooled by by the rookie.
April 29, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
nah. actually, he's more the bat boy.
April 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, the rookie who out-organized and out-fundraised the "35 years of experience" "MVP" at every turn in this election.
The rookie (or bat boy) who has $40M in the bank instead of being in the read, unable to pay her vendors or her staff's health insurance bills.
The rookie (or bat boy) who realized that the way to win was slow and steady, state by state, voter by voter, instead of relying on big-money donors and a miraculous over-by-Super-Tuesday primary season.
The rookie who's spent his time organizing instead of assuming he's Inevitable.
Yeah. That rookie.
April 30, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
don't blow a fuse, there.
so why hasn't the bat boy gotten the 2,025 delegates, yet, if he's so good.
oh, that's right - the american people aren't so sure about him, are they?
nice try, boy.
April 30, 2008 2:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
A few lies from the Clinton camp in Ohio about NAFTA, aided and abetted by the right-wing Canadian PM and his minions, certainly helped.
But you haven't addressed the issues, have you?
How come the Inevitable One didn't have this all sewn up by Super Tuesday, as she expected?
How come The Prepared One ran her campaign deep into debt?
Last October, nobody thought Obama had a chance. Hillary was already the Presumptive Nominee. How come this Inevitable, Prepared, Ready On Day One candidate blew it so badly?
Not that I expect you'll answer with any degree of substance, "boy."
April 30, 2008 2:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
haha! it's always hillary's fault, ain't it? grow up and realize that obama is not going to win. move on. take up gardening!
April 30, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
you are a joke. what did someone here call him? "the teflon candidate?" lol. he's gonna fall worse than kerry if he get the nomination.
drop out barry.
April 30, 2008 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you just say "Obama needs to put a cap in the Rev's ass"?
Not sure what else you expected unless it was a physical bus you wanted Wright tossed under.
April 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, you know, there might be snipers out there...
April 29, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
that title quote from Obama gave me a good chuckle.
I can't wait to when I'm finished with all my classes this week, and next week for Obama in the primary.
April 29, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
vote for Obama in the primary.
April 29, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am worried about where Wright takes this from here.
April 29, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point, doesn't any sort of attack from Wright (or Sharpton, which occurred earlier) actually help distance Obama from them?
April 29, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. If Wright hits Obama back, it helps Obama. At least with the "chattering classes".
Frankly, I don't see what the big deal with Wright is anyway, all that matters is that Obama looks "tough" or whatever. No way is the average voter going to be worried about this crap in November.
This is like Kerry's "Botched Joke" right before the '06 elections. It was on the media 24/7, and what happened? The republicans were eviscerated at the polls.
The issues are two important for people to worry about this stuff, it might serve as entertainment for the 24/7 news audience (which isn't even that large) but it's not going to be a major issue going forward.
April 29, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
delmoi, I don't think anything helps with the chattering classes. Should Wright continue his press campaign and make Obama's hot seat even hotter, nobody's going to say anything in Obama's favor. They're going to frame it as an indicator of poor judgment on Obma's part (this was the guy he looked up to?), and segue back onto questions of how he sat in the pew 20 years. This is a no win situation. But Sharpton, well, that's another issue. Could go in many directions. Won't know till the spin starts spinning.
April 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think the Wright thing + Sharpton thing is a good opportunity to refocus on "future," "moving forward," "getting past divisiveness" ideas. As far as I can tell at this point, Sharpton basically attacked Obama for calling for nonviolence where Sharpton was trying to ramp up tensions. Obama's on the winning side of that contrast, too.
April 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too. I don't want him to turn this into a pissing match.
April 29, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jynx.
April 29, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! Owe me a coke.
April 29, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me too. I pray this doesn't turn into a pissing contest.
April 29, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you worried Hillary can be further than Obama?
snarking.
April 29, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh here comes the Republican (and Clinton) smear campaigns.
What kind of judgment does Barack Obama possess if he is unable to decipher thoughtful ministers from American hating activists.
April 29, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
i don't think what has happened to obama is fair or wright... (just a little gallows humor), but it is going to be harder this time to put it to bed than it was last time.
April 29, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think it'll be harder, actually. Last time he was walking a fine line of defending the man but rejecting the comments. He's beyond that now. He's rejecting the man now. There is no tight rope to walk.
April 29, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
so you think it will just go away now... rev. wright will be less of an issue than last time?
April 29, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I don't think it will just go away. But I think not feeling the need to parse his rejections (the words not the man) will make it easier for Obama. It's more black and white now.
April 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I drink shitloads of kool-aid, so take this for what it's worth, but I think it will be...dare I say it? A turning point.
April 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reverend Wright is now on his own. Obama gave him a break and Wright turned around and screwed him for it. Obama gave him precisely what he was asking for today, which is to say, he cut him loose.
You might not like Obama, but at least he's honest. When he's presented with a problem like this, he doesn't attempt to defend himself. He just defends the principles that convince him to run for office in the first place. Meanwhile, Hillary's running around Indiana, promising voters cheap gas that she knows she can't deliver. Hillary has nothing but contempt for peoples' intelligence.
April 29, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
i like obama just fine...
April 29, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely is going to be harder.
Wright's going to get a boatload of questions about Obama now. And given that he appears to seek the spotlight, who knows where this will lead?
April 29, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see how you can get a stronger repudiation of a man. Had to be done.
April 29, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really don't see the hoopla about Rev. Wright.
The media is good at create monsters out of nothing.
April 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
FWIW, I agree with you kensdad. I just don't like where this is going. Hopefully, my pessimism is ill-founded.
April 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to say it, but remember Dean's scream? Couldn't have had an issue more stupid than that but....
April 29, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, as Mencken warned us, you can't underestimate our collective intelligence.
April 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Won't fly Barry-O. Too late, you had your chance and missed it. Meltdown.
April 29, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just titled my best selling book after one of his sermons, I didn't really know him that well
And maybe you don't know Iran that well; And maybe you don't know when to cut federal gasoline taxes that well; And maybe you don't know .....
April 29, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
if you knew iran, you'd wanna bomb, sorry, obliterate them like mcWar and hillary want to, after the thousands of americans they killed. well, not killed, but said bad things about -- same difference. bombs away!
April 29, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh, and cutting eighteen cents off a gallon of gas for three months. talk about a comprehensive solution!
April 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you think cutting federal gasoline taxes is the answer to anything, I've gat a pretty good idea what you don't know...
April 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cutting gas taxes is stupid. Calling for a winfdfall tax on the very companies whose product you want to lessen the price of...is stupid. They will raise the prices to pay the taxes Clinton is acting like she's cutting, the only difference will be the oil companies will get our money instead of the hundreds of thousands of workers who would otherwise be repairing our infrastructure. Short-sided and stupid.
I should be having this conversation with Republicans who don't know any better, not Democrats.
April 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
elon, they were already saying that. Today, Wright (and Sharpton: "grandstand in front of white people") have made it easy for Obama to repudiate being 'too black'. I think they may have done him a favor...
April 29, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
April 29, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been thinking along these lines myself. If Al Sharpton wanted to help BO right now, I can't think of much better than denouncing him.
But what really interests me: Which pundit will find the most egregious contortion of the "under the bus" metaphor....?
My money's on Howard Fineman, unless Margaret Carlson is on Tweety.
April 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy shit! You leave the computer for an hour and look what you miss!
April 29, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Wright is a purist in the sense that he has a view of the world about what is important, what people are suppose to do, etc. He's rejects people who dont fit that view and is not willing to compromise. Its naive and ultimately harmful. Its like people voting for Nader instead of Gore in 2000. Gore wasnt perfect but was a world with Bush as president preferrable to one with Gore? I dont think so.
Wright is willing to destroy Obama because Obama's world view is antithetical to his. Obama defines his candidacy on the basis that he wants to bring people together and move forward. He is all about forgetting the past. Wright is exactly the opposite. Wright believes that the past defines the present. He believes you cannot simply forget the past and any attempt to do so reinforces the inequities created by the past and leads to the same mistakes being repeated.
Wright is trying to destroy Obama becuase he thinks Obama's candidacy will allow Americans to forget about the past and move forward. Its idiotic, since Obama is the very vehicle through which we will move forward.
April 29, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is not about forgetting the past. Quite the contrary, he is about acknowledging the past and moving beyond it.
April 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll remind so many Obama supporters that they repeatedly said how refreshing it was to hear the honesty of Wright and that he is a good and great man.
And now we have: "I Might Not Know Him As Well As I Thought".
Bad judgment you say?
Twenty years of bad judgment you say?
Clinton is the best coice for the general and the presidency.
April 29, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Twenty years of bad judgment you say?
On the one hand Jeremiah Wright. On the other, voting to give George Bush an unchecked military adventure in Iraq.
Gee, that is a stumper. All about judgement, you say?
April 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
And them voting identical to Hillary, once he got into the Senate. Opportunist..
April 29, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
teh best coice indeed.
Nice job conflating Obama with his most strident supporters. Should I do the same with Clinton?
April 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
too late... hillary has been conflated with not only all of her current and former supporters, but with all of bill's... the media beat you to it!
April 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not really. The list of Clinton attocities the media hasn't touched is legion.
Nobody has ever gone after the pardons and links the pardons had with Hillary's family and 2000 senate run, for instance.
She says all her baggage has been gone through. Nothing could be further from the truth.
April 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
(yawn)
the media and the republicans have attacked the clintons for the last 16 yrs... no one doubts that. whatever was going to stick has already stuck...
April 29, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hardly.
The Clintons never had to answer to the BIPARTISAN outrage over the pardons.
Never.
The list of things that the Clintons haven't answered for is huge, why do you think the GOP so wants her to win the nomination?
And how did Bill make 109 million? How much of that came from states that sponsor and support terrorism? How much from serial human rights abbusers?
April 29, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
just like releasing hillary's WH schedule was going to sink her? wow, she was in the WH when bill was fooling around with monica (what a bombshell)...
and releasing her tax returns was going to sink her except that she then won PA...
people just aren't excited as the media about more clinton investigations.
April 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
The media isn't covering it because she has ALREADY LOST.
Don't think the GOP noise machine would let that stand. They can push the news narrative at will.
I'm just so glad she won't be the next President.
April 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, man. See, that's the problem with the Clinton case--it's based on the faulty assertion that no one is interested in the old shit any longer. That's called wishful thinking. Every Republican on the planet is interested in it. That's why she would lose to ANY Republican candidate. It could have been Huckabee, Romney, Giuliani--it doesn't matter. Republicans vote against things, not for things. That's what Obama was talking about when he made his "bitter" comment. The game plan is always the same: get voters angry about an issue and they'll show up at the polls. This year, the big wedge issue would have been the candidate herself.
April 30, 2008 7:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude - Have you been on another planet or something? "The list of Clinton attocities the media hasn't touched is legion." Are you really that innocent?
April 29, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you auf_zoo. Wish somebody would point that out more often.
April 29, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll go on record as saying that I personally am fine with what I've heard of Reverand Wright, and this decision by Senator Obama makes me uncomfortable and angry.
I'd also like the record to show that despite my stated opinion, this entire issue is s despicable RED HERRING that, despite its cultural importance, has almost no relevance to the issues I consider of dire importance to the immediate future of this country.
Let the record also show that I can imagine few things more threatening to the future of the USA than Senator Clinton's team in charge of our arsenal, our treasury, and our global interests.
I wish our press would GROW THE FUCK UP.
April 29, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Disagree with you. Check out Moyers' interview with Wright where Wright says he answers things as a pastor while Obama answers things as a politician. I found this completely offensive and I will proceed to tell you exactly why.
Wright apparently believes that he (Wright) is infallible and is truly hearing only God's voice and not the echo of his own ego. There was very little humility in these statements.
I am not surprised that Obama found these statements offensive. It is now time to say bye-bye to Reverend Wright.
April 29, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I should have been more clear.
My reservations are more about Senator Obama's decision to call a separate press conference than his distancing from the man.
I don't care what he decides to do with his personal relationship with this man. I don't know either.
But, no matter what he chose, my personal opinion is that Senator Obama was better off addressing this non-issue in a straightforward, firm, and unyielding manner within his regular campaign activities when questions arose.
Something like..."I've stated my position before, I'll briefly restate it here. I consider your continued focus on this issue inane and immature. Now, will you children please get the guts to ask me some real questions?"
The press conference was a mistake. Most voters won't see it, most press outlets will irresponsibly excerpt it, and then they'll excerpt Wright from this afternoon. This will only perpetuate the distillation of this primary to this issue alone.
April 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only am I uncomfortable with this, but also am extremely disappointed. Political expedience is not a positive character trait. I expected better of Obama.
That said, I don't see this backtracking as reason enough to fall in with Clinton and her "baggage."
April 29, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
100% agreed. No more obliteratti.
April 29, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Were you comfortable with Wright's statement that "no white racist" could prevent Obama from getting elected? Or his dismissive, rude attitude toward the woman whose job it was to read the questions? Or his defense of Louis Farrakhan, a man who, despite Wright's claims, IS in fact a rabid anti-Semite. Remember this little gem?:
"Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains. He did not put me in slavery. And he didn’t make me this color."
What's the implication here? Clearly the implication is that the person who "put him in chains" IS his enemy. Could that person be anyone with white skin?
Obama's problem with Wright is that Wright wants to keep racial divisions alive--a notion that is completely antithetical to what Obama is about.
April 30, 2008 7:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton didn't know her husband as well as she thought when he was sleeping around with a White House intern. Let's not play the guilt by association game because Clinton loses by a landslide.
April 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
He knows very well that cutting gas taxes is idiotic pandering that will help oil companies and not consumers, too bad you're too stupid to know that.
I'm disappointed that he's toeing the Rethug line on Wright, but not surprised. The man IS a politician, after all.
April 29, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Limbaugh had something to say about the NPC comments:
April 29, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never, ever thought I'd agree with Rush.
April 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me either. Sigh.
April 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is a first for me as well.
April 29, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has great taste in wine.
I can't afford Château Petrus, '63, but I'm sure it's quite good.
April 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm opening a ski rental shop in hell!
April 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just wait until Wright's rebuttal. Obama is finished folks. This second wave of Wright doomed him.
April 29, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, really? You don't think it's going to cause even more distance between the two of them?
April 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope. I think Wright will have 20 years of info on Obama to sink him with.
April 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
but obama has more pledged delegates... hillary needs to drop out.
you haven't been listening, Jonze!
;-)
April 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here we go again. If your candidate wants the nomination, she better win the pledged delegate vote, the SDs who decide this thing will require nothing less. She gets my vote in the Fall if she does it. I've seen nothing to tell me she can do it.
April 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, like what? Wright's not his fucking accountant. What dirt? "Once I was discussing Abraham in a sermon and I could tell he was nodding off!"
April 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is the snippet from this press conference that you picked for the headline of the post really the most demonstrative of what he said? the vast majority of the speech doesn't deal with maybes and mights, but in clear, emphatic denunciations. sort of misleading, your headline makes it seem like he's still sorting through how he feels about wright.
April 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Two good Andrew Sullivan posts on this:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/04/now-sharpton-at.html
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/04/rush-on-wright.html
April 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree with Andrew Sullivan here (wow, I might keel over dead LOL!) Obama does seem to represent a break from the older African American community, and his ability to go beyond color to bridge gaps (rather than forcing whites to sit up and take notice) may seem to be somewhat traitorous to those who fought so hard for civil rights and bore witness to the horrors that this country has inflicted on African Americans. It will be interesting to see how Obama navigates this - it's really, really tricky and he's walking a fine line between acknowledging and validating the concerns and history of the African American community without taking on the fierce and combative postures of people like Jeremiah Wright and Al Sharpton.
Having said all that, it is very, very sad indeed that the media and the right wing (and, to be completely honest, the Clinton campaign) have made Obama's pastor's sermons (well, the tiny sound bytes that the public was fed) such a contentious issue (without giving equal time to McCain's rather curious relationships with Hagee, Rod Parsley, et al). It is sad that Obama has to distance himself from a man for whom he has tremendous respect and admiration because a segment on the American public can't handle the truth about what this country did to millions of its citizens.
One silver lining, though - this brouhaha should completely and thoroughly put to rest the ridiculous smear campaign about Obama being a big, bad Muslim, shouldn't it? God, sometimes the people in this country just astound (and sadden) me.
April 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
it's really a stretch to blame this on the clinton campaign... but somehow i'm not surprised to hear you say that.
April 29, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you saying the Clinton camp had no part in pushing the Wright story? Because that's demonstrably false. They admitted to pushing it to SDs.
April 29, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
no, i said it's a stretch to blame obama's rev. wright problems on the clinton campaign...
April 29, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please - let's not kid ourselves. Don't tell me she didn't pile on after the Wright controversy hit. And, now, she's saying "oh, I regret that the RNC is using this issue"? Who the f*ck is she kidding? She gave them PERMISSION to do it. Honestly, please, please take the blinders off and take an honest look at what's going on.
April 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes yes yes yes yes.
That is exactly what happened. One more stone on top of their monument.
April 29, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You don't choose your family, you do choose your pastor, and Jeremiah Wright would not have been my pastor"/scolding, sanctimonious, self-righteous tone/
Is she seriously trying to pretend she didn't push this issue?
April 29, 2008 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I suppose it is just a wild coincidence that a huge, outspoken Hillary supporter put the National Press Club meeting for Rev Wright together? Hmmm?
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/columnists/louis/index.html
April 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's pandering again, hoping to win back some African-American support in North Carolina. Mrs. Potatohead has simply swapped out a few body parts for effect. Don't be fooled. She's the same dishonest, calculating opportunist she's always been.
April 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
YES YES YES YES YES!!!!
IT'S ALL CLINTON'S FAULT!!!!!
Your chump-ass Dear Leader is being sold out by his long-time pastor and you're all trying to rationalize it as a good thing.
To paraphrase one of your cult members: THIS IS WONDERFUL NEWS!!!! FOR OBAMA!!!!!
Children.
April 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that sure convinced me.
Thanks.
April 29, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you've hit on something here, Carol. His campaign really is a break from the old guard, and some of that old guard includes the Wright and Sharpton views of race relations.
I feel very sorry for Obama right now because, on a purely personal level, I think this has to be very painful.
April 29, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh boo hoo for him!
April 30, 2008 2:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with Sullivan. And to watch Obama being tossed back and forth by all those who have pinned their agendas on him is truly amazing. He's like Olive Oyl in those old Popeye cartoons: MoveOn.org tugging on one arm and Sharpton and Wright pulling on the other, while Hillary and the Republicans bop him on the head and knee him in the groin. And all the while, Obama just forges ahead, knowing precisely where he's headed.
April 29, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the Olive Oil imagery may be a bit unfortunate, but I take your basic point.
April 29, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oyl.
April 29, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oyl to you too. :)
April 30, 2008 7:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Per Tweety (MSNBC) Rev. Wright is having a "press conference" this afternoon. What fun!
April 29, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah man.
The train wreck continues.
Drop out Obama.
April 29, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You wish. You dead-enders crack me up.
April 29, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You Republicans-in-wabbit-clothing Obamabots crack us all up.
April 29, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, he completed school.
Unlike some in here. . .
April 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Enjoy your last bit of laughter, Hillary trolls. Barak just stopped the bleeding in Indiana and North Carolina. Everyone is talking about a Sister Souljah moment. But you don't have to racialize everything. This was a Prince Hal/Falstaff moment. Until yesterday, it wasn't clear what Rev. Wright's true nature was. Once he decided to capitalize on his Obama-inspired notriety with a speaking tour, it was time for the gloves to come off. Most Americans, who are pretty normal and decent folks (which is why they thoroughly distrust Hillary) will get this. It was the perfect move, perfectly timed, and perfectly executed.
April 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect allusion. Prince Hal and Falstaff. Brilliant.
April 29, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I concur
(-.-)(_ _)(-.-) and I bow respectfully in your general direction
April 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally cool.
Both Tena's art and the Shakespearean allusion.
April 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he handled it beautifully. And frankly any conflict between Obama and Wright is a benefit to Obama. Allows him to distance himsefl without seeming disloyal to his church. It's genius for Barack Obama.
April 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It's genius for Barack Obama."
Sure...Barry-O just happened to miss the REV's sermons for 20 years. Genius ... BS!
April 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal, do yourself a favor, open your mind, and listen to a few of Rev. Wright's sermons in their entirety. Then, if you still believe he's a scary bad black man, fine. Until then, shut up.
April 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carol, don't waste your energy. You're too good a poster to let someone like that upset you.
April 29, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
It may be a two-fer: a GOP operative who attacks Obama in a Clintonista persona, thereby (so the theory goes) harming both.
"All that glisters is not gold; / Often have you heard that told. / Many a man his life hath sold / But my outside to behold. / Gilded tombs do worms enfold."
April 29, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're asking a clintonista to think; good luck with that.
April 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Rollin Stone, Feb 2007"
Just your typical Sunday sermon from your average everyday preacher...
April 29, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama picked up two more supers today. Hillary picked up one.
Obama denounces Wright today and dominates the news coverage.
Where's Hillary? Oh, right, prepping for her big date with Bill-O.
It's a beautiful day in the Obama-hood!
April 29, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Committed Super Delegates can change their minds as well as regular delegates. Only time will tell but per Barry-O: "I have been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ since 1992 and have known Jeremiah Wright for almost 22 years."
Obama must have slept through the sermons. Obama shows both a lack of character and judgment.
April 29, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nonsense. Authorizing Bush to go to war is a serious lack of judgment.
That said, this nontroversy addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hee Hee Hee!
I love it that you're the sanest one here and you have that gravatar.
April 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
o fuck
I was talking to Opus and my damn comment landed under one to which it did not pertain.
April 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a sense that many Obama supporters just want to run out the clock and claim victory. They cannot admit their mistake and refuse to pull their support purely out of misplaced pride. They just don't want to admit they were wrong. An understandable sentiment but this is serious business.
If you want a Dem in the White House, now is the time to realize that Clinton is the right choice.
April 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Mistake"? Wow. That wasn't pompous in the least.
April 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The turkey-creature seems obsessed only with it's perception of Thanksgiving.
That aside, Sen Clinton is not qualified for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with Obama or Rev Wright, and having everything to do with her Senate votes, her lies, and her continued blind-eye to a philandering pig. Add the erasure of Iran by nukes, and she is disqualified from the Senate, much less the presidency.
Pax,
M.
April 29, 2008 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
A clintonista talking about misplaced pride? LOL!
The Goopers would love to run against Hillary. She is by far the least electable candidate that ran this year for the Democratic nomination. Just having the name "Clinton" on the ticket will drive up GOP turnout faster and futher than anything else could ever hope to do.
April 29, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here chicky chicky chicky! I have something for you...
April 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You gonna pan-fry Obama or oven-roast him?
Maybe Shake n' Bake!
Take another toke. You're baked.
April 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you'll always be a douche, bird-brain!
April 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
"They (Obama supporters) cannot admit their mistake and refuse to pull their support purely out of misplaced pride. They just don't want to admit they were wrong. An understandable sentiment but this is serious business."
That's funny. Since Obama is the one in the drivers seat for the nomination, it looks to me that the hillary supporters are the ones with the mis-placed pride and inability to admit being wrong. But you go ahead and keep deluding yourself.
April 29, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Enjoy your last bit of laughter, Hillary trolls. Barak just stopped the bleeding in Indiana and North Carolina. Everyone is talking about a Sister Souljah moment. But you don't have to racialize everything. This was a Prince Hal/Falstaff moment. Until yesterday, it wasn't clear what Rev. Wright's true nature was. Once he decided to capitalize on his Obama-inspired notriety with a speaking tour, it was time for the gloves to come off. Most Americans, who are pretty normal and decent folks (which is why they thoroughly distrust Hillary) will get this. It was the perfect move, perfectly timed, and perfectly executed.
April 29, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
So then that whole Audacity of Hope thing is no longer operative?? Pretty much guts Saint Obama's whole feel-good campaign ... lots of flowery oratory courtesy of Reverend Wright's inspiration but no specifics.
April 29, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only to geeky campaign watchers like you and me could that argument even make any sense. To the average voter, this will look like exactly what any reasonable person would do, and they won't find it necessary to seamlessly link every detail back to the campaign strategists' narrative. No, in the real world, he can have the audacity of hope and a reasonable reaction to being called a liar. I know it must be hard to be a Hillary fan these days, but try not to let it cloud your judgement.
April 29, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
A man whose whole campaign, Audacity of Hope, is named after a Rev. Wright sermon is too geeky and far removed for his supporters to not become disillusioned? The sum of his supporters are african americans and college educated liberals. And these constituencies are not going to have a problem that Saint Obama has now repudiated the man who gave the name to his best selling book that supposedly outlines everything Barrack stands for?!?
It what alternative universe do you people live in?
April 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've heard the expression about reading a book by it's cover but this is an extreme! So the title of the book is the title to a sermon so that obviously means that the books contents must sound just like a Wright sermon.... right?
Except it doesn't! The book is thoughtful and insightful and constantly works to convey a message that the only chance we have to get over the gridlock is to work together. Not just the politicians working together but all of use (or at least most of us).
Obama has gone to great lengths to give us insight into his ideas, thoughts, and personal history and if you think that he shares a brain with Rev. Right; then you are just plain silly.
April 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Possibly you don't watch the news. In America, people from "SanFran" are considered to be from another planet. So, please don't ask me what alternative universe I live in. I'm not voting for Obama because he called his book the "Audacity of Hope." Are you just voting for Hillary because she wrote "It takes a Village" but SHE DOESN'T ACTUALLY LIVE IN A VILLAGE! It'd be great if Hillary supporters could can the manufactured outrage, but then, if you suypport Hillary then you're probablty incapable of the real thing, so it's understandable.
April 29, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this nontroversy addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks to Hillary's kitchen sink strategy, we don't have to worry about issues because it takes entire debates just to get through the "character" issues she's raised. Unfortunately, Obama now has to fight through the mud to get back to the issues. If he fails, we have nothing but an autumn of Monica, Kathlees, and Bill's new girls to wade through.
April 29, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is exactly what he needed to do. Well said, Senator.
But with old-school guys like Wright and Sharpton going after Obama hard, it'll be tough. These guys have a strong investment in us Black folks continuing to be victims and distancing ourselves from traditional power structures, so they're not going to give up easily.
We've all had experiences with men and women who we believed we were close with, but who later proved that they were not in fact the person we thought he or she was. (I've heard that a certain number of them are often referred to commonly as "ex-girlfriends".) I think this should encourage us voters to move on. The MSM, the right, the Clintons and certainly these "misery merchants" will seek to profit from this and will not let it die. But we can flush them down in the voting booth.
If you're not for Obama for other reasons, fine - disagreement is a fundamental thread of America. But don't let some nutty preacher who's only out for himself sway you one way or another.
April 29, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has backed himself into a corner on this thing. He is showing his lack of experience. He feels compelled to even more completely condemn Wright (who said nothing wrong) because of the ongoing distortion of what it is Wright's whole theology is about.
It's embarassing to see Obama feel the need to furhter repudiate this guy and humiliate himself by so doing since it only lends credence to the Hillary/Republican guilt by association stuff. No amount of condemnation will ever suffice. It is a dead end for Obama to take this road.
This situation shows the folly of playing the "smart" centrist game. He can't move left because he fears that will alienate the allegedly conservative independent and moderate voters so he can only go further right. And, of course, the further right he goes the more he suffers because Hillary and the Republicans own that territory. I guess Hillary will have eaten him up by June.
All this only convinces me that more than ever, we need a different candidate to represent the Democratic Party because neither of the two left standing are strong candidates in the fall. If Hillary gets her wish and destroys Obama for having the audacity of trying to win when it is her turn, the party should look elsewhere because she has disgraced and damaged herself so badly in the process of destroying him that she is simply unacceptable at this point. Sad situation all around if you ask me.
April 29, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
oleeb, I understand where you're coming from.
I have a slightly different take.
The first reflex of any politician when controversy arises is to lie, distance themselves from whomever is the cause, completely disassociate themselves and if necessary, bribe, blackmail, or worse, get some thug to "take care of the problem."
Obama took the controversy directly into the public square for all to see. He denounced his pastor's comments and gave a historic speech on race, something no politician would touch with a ten foot pole. He did something else no one expected, especially from a politician. Obama stood by his friend.
Hardly the politically expedient thing to do. Obama was heralded by many. Including me.
It knocked the wind out of the Rev. Wright issue. Sure, it would still come up, the clips would be played over and over but that was going to happen no matter what Obama said. But the whole thing became just an echo of what it was when Sean Hannity first started playing the Rev. Wright compilation reel.
And here we are. Rev. Wright speaks out and blatantly betrays Obama, and essentially started to sabotage his campaign.
Repeating the same controversial "anti-American" sentiments he did in those original clips.
That was it. Obama calls a press conference. Completely repudiates his pastor's beliefs. Calls him divisive destructive,
and ridiculous.
So now, there's the crazy pastor on one side, and Obama on the other.
Meanwhile, the whole thing is being vetted to death on national television now and while it plays out, it certainly won't be as debilitating in November.
Obama can't shut this guy up. If he threw him under the bus in the first place, he'd face the same problem.
His pastor's nuts. Would never elect him president.
April 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well maybe you're right but I think it a bit different than that.
Obama's showing how green he is and his camapign staff is showing how green they are by allowing this issue to fester and grow over the weeks. It's a first class display of amateurs who aren't ready for the big time flubbing it and playing it wrong in my opinion.
I don't agree that Obama's speech was historic at all--never did, except insofar as it will mark the beginning of the decline of his candidacy as he played right into the hands of the Clinton camp and the Republicans. It was refreshing to see a politician directly address race, but historic is going too far as I see it. Everything he does now to "distance" himself only ties him closer to Reverend Wright who, in fact, never said anything that a) was wrong or b) had anything to do with Senator Obama or his ability to be a good President for all the people.
I also believe that his continuing flubbing of this issue only increases the value of it for the Republicans in the fall. I should say it sickens me to see Obama pulled apart like this and to see the situation worsening for him. It's tragic in my opinion but clearly something wasn't right within his campaign since no one took this threat seriously and they haven't really even now, fought back. He's acting like many a former Democratic nominee who gets his bell rung by the Republicans and never quite recovers until right before the end and then it's too late. Kerry? Dukakis? Carter in 1980? Gore? All of them got hammered, didn't fight back hard enough or soon enough and lost a nailbiter. This should not have happened, but we Democrats are unparalleled in our ability to lose a sure thing aren't we?
That some of Hillary's more obnoxious supporters are crowing over this is equally sickening. It is also the height of delusion for them to believe this helps to put her in a position to be the nominee. She's the last person we need heading up our national ticket. She lost my vote months ago because she made it clear she has no intention of ending the war. The lives of our young people and of the people of Iraq mean too much for me to ever cast a vote for her. I could change my mind on that, but I doubt that I will.
April 29, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is in reply to oleeb ("she lost my vote months ago because she made it clear she has no intention of ending the war"): Go to Hillaryclinton.org under issues. You will find she has, to paraphrase, clear plans to start bringing home troops within 60 days of becoming president (if I remember right 2 brigades a month are what the generals who support her are advising) and to provide benefits for all service personnel involved.
April 29, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bah!
She clearly stated and has NEVER, not once, ever contradicted her position that she cannot and will not guarantee we will be out of Iraq by 2013. All that other blather is just hot air. She was for the war, she is still making bellicose and idiotic statements about obliterating Iran. Her position on withdrawal of the troops is nothing but posturing. She doesn't care about whether or not the killing continues, she doesn't care about whether or not our nation is bankrupted by this idiotic, illegal, and immoral war. She will clearly say and do whatever she thinks might get her elected as her behavior vs Obama has proven beyond any question.
April 29, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama Divorces Wright
That was a very impressive, clear and constructive re-framing of his core message of his candidacy; and a moment given to him by Wright. No one will ever be able to say that Obama threw his father-figure and pastor under the bus. We all know that the reverse happened. We also know that this clear repudiation of Wright's toxic views on AIDS, 9/11 and permanent immiseration of people of color could not have happened unless Wright had made it necessary. Skeptics may wonder whether Wright actually did Obama a favor. I doubt it. But a favor it unintentionally is.
Maybe God does bring good out of bad. Maybe these racial and cultural divides can help us understand how better to move beyond them. Cynics may scoff - and certainly will. They will parse every nuance and try to paint Obama as another cynical, positioning pol. I don't believe it. He has more sincerity and integrity than the vast majority of politicians, more honesty, and more resilience in a very tough spot.
And today, we found that he can fight back, and take a stand, without calculation and in what is clearly a great amount of personal difficulty and political pain. It's what anyone should want in a president.
April 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anybody have video? CNN Live doesn't work for me and I missed it!
April 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was another ugly meltdown.
Not worth watching.
Wright responding will be great.
April 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's on that other blog
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/29/obamas-reverend-wright-pr_n_99215.html
April 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
New SurveyUSA poll, Obama 49%, Clinton 44%.
The last SurveyUSA poll from April 22nd had a 9 point margin.
Enough with the train wreck.
Vote for a winner.
Senator Hillary Clinton.
Lets win this time people.
April 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is funny, you cite a poll in which Obama is winning and ask us to vote for a winner!? Okay, you convinced me, I'll vote for Obama!
April 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
He cited a poll that clearly shows The Dear Leader's lead is slipping. Keep whistlilng, 'bot. It's dark in that graveyard, and maybe the ghosties and ghoulies will be scared off by you.
April 29, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So if the benchmark is shrinking your opponents lead in the polls then Obama won Pennsylvania, right?
April 29, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not yet. Once she passes him in NC, then we'll discuss that part.
Now stop trying to twist other people's statements.
April 29, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Twist?
Moi?
Oh, I think you can't handle that what I pointed out is correct. As I said earlier though, you go on deluding yourself. They have some really good meds for that nowadays.
April 29, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotalife: The Turd in the Punchbowl.
I'm gonna miss you when Obama delivers his acceptance speech at the convention.
April 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Obama. He did the right thing. He's not toeing the Republican line. Wright never spoke for Obama. The Right used the Pastor's harsh words to speak for Obama and Obama repudiated that today. This was damage control.
Unfortunately, he's going to have to fight this all the way - the rightwing have nothing but "fear" to play in the race to the WH and they will use this again and again.
April 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do agree Wright had become the center of destructive attention by choice, Moyer on PBS was more than sufficient. If he did not recognize the extent of what would follow the news conference, regardless of what he stated, this is equally problematic.
April 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like politics as usual to me.
April 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barry-O:
“I can no more disown [Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
April 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your point?
April 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
BO's story changed from the Philly speech. Barry-O should have dumped the REV when he had the opportunity; too convenient now.
Obama press conference today is too little, too late. I can't wait to hear the REV tell his Barry stories, like how he was in the Church during his sermons.
April 29, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
That quote was before Wright started spewing the BS he has for the past few days. Before, I didn't see any reason for him to do away with Wright but after everything we've seen from him lately I'd be very disappointed if he didn't respond as he has today.
Admit, if Obama hadn't denounced Wright today, you'd be whining that he's too weak because he won't disown him.
April 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
"BO's story changed from the Philly speech. "
No it didn't.
And once again, this nontreversy addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton has a plan for a national recession holiday.
April 29, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's possibly interesting is how Wright has positioned himself as opposing Senator Obama.
They denounce each other (seemingly). The rhetoric becomes Wright is fighting for an old way, while the Senator is embracing a new way. They are no longer on the same team.
Is this a way of preparing for the general election? A way to swing more white voters towards the Senator? A way to completely distance Obama from Wright? I don't know. Risky, if that is the intention.
One thing is certain, this primary season is souring me towards the Democratic Party. I believe they've been foolish allowing Senator Clinton to crap all over this election. Contrary to Josh's hypothesis that I'm starting to doubt Obama, I'm doubting the democratic party all together.
April 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. I agree.
April 29, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wright's presser is going to end Obama. Wait and see, he's going to go nuclear on him and tell tales...
April 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think so, but we'll see. I'm sure you'll be ecstatic if it does happen. I've never seen so many people so enamored of drama. What about the issues? What about Cheney saying today that Congress has no jurisdiction over the VP? What about the Supreme Court upholding a disgraceful "poll tax" law in Indiana whereby a form of ID needs to be shown to vote? What about Bush's admission (which the media has all but ignored) that he authorized his highest level cabinet members to decide how and who to torture? What about Scalia saying yesterday that torture does not constitute "cruel and unusual punishment" because - get this - torture is not "punishment" in the legal sense of the word because the tortured individual has not been convicted of a crime? What about the fact that April is turning out to be a lethal month for U.S. soldiers in Iraq? These, and countless other, issues have all but been abandoned by the media (and by most blogs) and have been replaced by this utter inconsequential, banal bullshit. Drama over substance - perceived non-issues over real, horrifyingly tragic issues. I can't wait for this primary season to be over so we can start focusing on the real issues that are going on in this country.
April 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said, and I share your amazement at the utter vapid nature of so many regarding the deadly serious nature of the issues we face being so enthralled by this meaningless drama which, with any modicum of perspective by the media, will finally move past this nontresversy now that Obama has denounced (yet again) Rev. Wright's rhetoric.
April 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Obama. He handled that well.
And all the idiots on here who have been defending Wright should take a lesson from Obama. A lot of what Wright had to say was "ridiculous" and "offensive."
April 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Spot on.
The self-fulfilling prophecy of victimhood. Sharpton and Jackson know it well and now their is Wright.
Obama winning the presidency would blow their con game to pieces.
April 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has a way with words and I like what Obama said, but I can't help thinking that he's always a day late and a dollar short. He should have separated himself from Wright two years ago when he decided to run for president. He should have known that something like this would happen eventually. There's nothing much that he can do about it now. Saying harsh things about his former black pastor is more likely to lose him black support than it is to win him white votes at this point.
April 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, none of this should have happened. It has no bearing on anything, it's personal -
It started with a dishonest sound byte.
I fucking hate every single media outlet in this country.
And every single American who encourages this kind of shit - Jonze.
Way to base a goddamn presidential race on something totally irrelevant.
I had such hopes that America would grow up.
April 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're close to Mexico. Bye.
April 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Always with the clever rejoinder, huh Marginal? Funny how I never seem to read a post by you that has anything of substance in it - no reasoned arguments, no intelligent comments - just insults about Obama and non-funny one-liners. You have not given me one reason to want to vote for your candidate - not one. Seems to be an epidemic among Hillary supporters here (before I get skewered, not ALL Hillary supporters, but a sizable percentage).
April 29, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm typing my opinion. I will never vote for Obama at the top of the ticket. Obama is not qualified to be POTUS, period.
Considering what I've been called here and the ObamaPost, all of this so called hope, change and unity from Obama supporters is just BS!
Bottom line, we don't agree.
April 29, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain thanks you for your support.
If you support what Clinton claims to advocate for and Obama gets the Democratic nomination, you don't really give a rip about what she advocates for and for you it is simply a cult of personality.
April 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
And typing "You're close to Mexico - goodbye" is an opinion how? If you want to engage in honest dialog, no problem - of course we're not all going to agree with each other. That's the beauty of this kind of forum. But your comment stops all conversation dead in its tracks. Where can you go from there? It's idiotic and non-productive. It's not an opinion - it's just stupidity.
Now, that's just MY opinion - take it for what it's worth.
April 29, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
carol, don't sweat it. obviously someone with a hammer and sickle in their avatar is mired hopelessly in the past, still fighting the cold war, vietnam, culture wars of the 80s and 90s. it will be a great relief to move on, as it were.
April 29, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
But you'd support him as a VP?
How can you support a person who is not ready to be POTUS for VP?!?
Eh, nevermind.
April 29, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's actually critical.
Would it matter in voting for Tom Cruise that he is a Scientologist.
This strange 20 year relationship and now disavowel speaks directly to the main theme of Obama. Character and good judgment.
He supported Wright, praised his mentorship, adopted his as family. He has portrayed Wright as heroic. And now for expediency he tries to discard him as being a deceiver.
A deceiver. Sound familiar.
April 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of people get divorced in this country, you Clinton guys sure you want to go down this road?
April 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep - I posted the same thing upthread, Tena. This is such bullshit, a non-issue over a 30-second sound byte. This country has gone so far down the rabbit hole I'm not sure we can get ourselves out. Do Americans even know how to think about and care about real issues anymore? We are an entire country of attention-deficit-disordered drama queens who want nothing more than to watch Big Brother and American Idol.
April 29, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is fair for Obama is fair for Wright. There is clearly a risk for Obama to dis-associate himself from Wright and what Wright represents. otherwise, he would have repudiated him long time ago. He did not want to offend some people who are out there defending Wright. I do not recall Wright said anything new yesterday. He just showed his displeasure with Obama. I guess Obama thinks there is nothing to lose by turning against Wright at this point. On the other hand, Wright was pissed off before. Now let's wait and see how much more pissed off Wrigth can get!
I always want to ask Rev. Wright a question: did Obama ever ask him to tune down and expressed his disagreement with him before in private?
April 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure there's something new--from Moyers' interview on Friday night. It was Wright saying that he answers things as a pastor and Obama answers things as a politician.
I can only surmise that Obama found these statements as offensive as I did.
April 29, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is still the same smear by association it ever was. Wright is not running for President, and neither is Clinton's crooked brother. Nor McCain's Catholic hating bigoted Pastor.
But Clintonians/Republican Trolls should really ask themselves if they want all future elections to hinge on candidates "vetting" everyone they know and shunning them before running for office?
I have a neighbor who I like very much. He and his wife watch our dogs when we leave town. We often share glasses of wine on nice evenings. They are right wingers who think Muslims are having babies to build up an army against us. Am I somehow supposed to be responsible for that? That's stupid, of course. I willingly associate with them, argue about politics, but still consider them my friends and neighbors. That's just humanity.
The fact that so many "Democrats" (and I use that term loosely around here) suggest that Wright is something I should base my vote on, instead of the many serious problems we're facing as our country is being run into the fucking ground, tells me that you are the real America haters. Loving America means putting aside this trite garbage while there's work to be done. You ignore the real problems at our nation's peril.
April 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guilty by association? Are you kidding? You are the company you keep. Rev. Wright was Obama's spiritual advisor for 20 years. He is a sponsor of his spirial life. The same thing happens to Rezko. He was a sponsor of his political life for his whole political life. We say with friends like this, who needs enemies? If you don't have the good judgement to keep good companies before, why should anyone believe you can keep good companies in the future?
I sincerely hope Obama will damage his standing in the black community by so forcely publicly dissing Wright. It is extremely unhealthy to see someone supported by 92% of the people from his own race. Imagine if Hillary were supported by 92% of female or white? People will vomit out loud!!!
April 29, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yea, Obama has a magic wand to wave so he can solve all these in a snap of fingure. oh, no, he's being attacked for having no concrete plan for anything. Everybody wants hope and change. But who can deliver?
April 29, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again... this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's more of a call to just simply start discussing these issues. It's a start. I would dare say, jumping to conclusions about someone else's opinions is not what he meant.
April 29, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love it how you circled back to your real pet peeve, "blackness". Racist trolls can't keep it bottled up for long, the slime always seeps through the cracks, and starts to smell.
April 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is such crap. If you want to criticize people for the "company they keep" then you should be doing it across the board.
And yes, he was his pastor. Not his own personal Jesus, or God. People don't go to church to worship their pastors, their preachers, their priests.
April 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are the company you keep:
Mark Penn
Terry McAulife
James Carville
Gennifer Flowers
Monica Lewinski
the Government of Colombia
April 29, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I heard from Reverend Wright during the Bill Moyers interview and the NAACP speech was sheer brilliance. What I heard during the Press Club event, while still brilliant, was overlaid with anger and self-centered bitterness. As Obama correctly stated today, the irony was that, in defending himself from the caricature, Wright had in fact only created a caricature of himself.
What I heard from Obama today was reason and compassion. Wright is from an older generation. He grew up knowing the bitterness of racism, and the memory of slavery and lynchings and segregation still touch him. Obama grew up (mostly) in a newer, better world. And that's the world he lives in.
Barack Obama is the real deal, and he proved it again today.
April 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will win NC and it will be close in IN.
But even if he did lose both, he'd still be well ahead of Hillary Liar Clinton.
April 29, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both Obama and Rev. Wright are brilliant and valuable leaders.
Rev. Wright is defending his ministry and his church from the haters who want to destroy Wright personally and also harm the extensive Christian works of the UCC church simply because the haters are following a vile strategy to destroy Obama politically.
Obama is defending his political candidacy from the raw and unreasoning emotions sparked by the attacks and defenses of the battle that has engaged so much attention.
Both Wright and Obama have much work to do to turn this manufactured crisis into an opportunity for a fuller awareness of what and how divisiveness is fostered, and what needs to be done to handle such divisiveness. Because they are both brilliant and courageous leaders, I think they are the very ones to have a chance to shepherd America toward some healing and healthy breaking up of old entrenched patterns.
April 29, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
"God damn America!"
"White people caused aids to destroy people of color!"
"KKK America!"
Oh, those terrible haters.
April 29, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what effect will this have on black turnout and who they vote for?
April 29, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
And one more thing -
If Hillary gets the nomination and by some strange electronic miracle, wins - don't whine when she's impeached by the Republicans.
If you don't think they'll want to keep their record, think again.
Should be fun - I'll sit on the portal, blaze one up and enjoy the final destruction of the world's longest existing democratic republic.
I just have to go find that guy with the blueberry yum yum...
April 29, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
*Will Play for Buzz!*
April 29, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama was indoctrinated into a church for twenty years and like a deprogrammed cult member he now wants to claim he didn't really know the leader.
The problem goes beyond Wright becasue now there is a question not only of Obama's judgment but, finally, who he actually is.
Is Wright still his mentor as he has so often claimed?
How important in his thinking, his persona, his ability to make secular judgments, is his religious indoctrination by a man he did not really know?
Unlike Kennedy's relationship with the Pope, Obama has freely portrayed Wright as his mentor and family. Someone who shaped is thinking for 20 years.
And now we have: "I Might Not Know Him As Well As I Thought"
April 29, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
did you listen to his remarks?
he was not his mentor
he was there for the ministry, as he said in the past, not worshiping the minister
tens of thousands of people respected the man as a pastor. a lot of them are offended about him trying to be a politician.
there is no contradiction.
April 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's sick and sad that our media culture has made this story into what it is (and btw, the National Press Club event was set up by a Clinton supporter).
MarginalPlayer, you're just about enough to make me drop my previous promise to vote for HRC if she's the Democratic candidate. Enough with the vile hatemongering. You're as bad if not worse than what you purport to condemn. Your candidate has encouraged the hatemongering and division, the very thing that Obama is trying to help end in this country; I'm no longer sure I can stomach voting for her, based on YOU and YOUR COMMENTS HERE. If HRC becomes the nominee (before then, even), do your cause a favor and shut up.
April 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
All the little Obamabots, whistling past the graveyard.
April 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're repeating yourself, 'bot.
April 29, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you have no response to his questions, 'bot.
How do your "whistling past the graveyard" etc swillposts advance the discussion one iota?
Right. That's what I thought.
Troll.
April 30, 2008 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's so painful watching such a decent, honorable and caring gentleman treated in such a hateful manner by the Clintons, Sen. McCain and now the Rev. Wright. I don't doubt Obama, Josh. I am in awe of his ability to endure such sordid behavior with such grace and generosity.
April 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry I and most African Americans still will not vote for Hillary Clinton.
Read the article and see what happens when African Americans stay home.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/kirsanow200410280838.asp
April 29, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you mind terribly if I join you?
I can't really claim to be African American - I actually am 1/8 African it turns out - but can I be a "concerned ally" and join you, please?
April 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
In other words, if you don't get your way you'd rather have four more years of Bush.
In other words, if you don't get your way then God Damn America.
Sorta proves the point, doesn't it?
April 29, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
To me, this represents Obama refusing to partake of the politics of victimization. That isn't just part of the black church that Wright represents but also part of the feminist movement and part of the democratic party as a whole. And it is part of the legacy of the sixties as well and Obama wants to put it behind us. As a boomer I say more power to him. I think there are more folks who agree with him about this than the media is willing to show or admit.
April 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
is Andrea Mitchell a closet Hillary supporter?
April 29, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrea Mitchell is totally a Clinton supporter. She's also married to Alan Greenspan who Clinton suggests for fixing the mortgage mess.
April 29, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Totally. Hanging around with Wright for 20 years shows far worse judgment than green-lighting the Iraq war, voting for the bankruptcy bill, promising to obliterate Iran, etc. etc.
April 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, because going to church is far worse that authorizing a war.
You are delusional.
April 29, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's joking...I hope.
April 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow - I don't even know what to say to that. I really don't. Sitting in church listening to Rev. Wright for 20 years about the issues that have faced African Americans since they were dragged to this country in chains is FAR WORSE than the death of over 4,000 American citizens (this is not even counting the contractors) and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis? Are you out of your mind?
I guarantee you that if you read every single one of Rev. Wright's sermons over the past 20 years you would find perhaps 15 minutes of objectionable material in them. Anyone can cherry-pick through someone's speeches and find 2 or 3 30-second sound bytes that can be used for nefarious purposes. It's cowardly and dishonest, but that's the way people want to operate in this country right now. It's really sad.
April 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
How on earth can you guarantee that? Have you yourself seen all his speeches over the last 20 years? All we know of them is the small sample which the congregation was selling, and even just those few samples contained lots of his little goodies. So the logic of statistics dictates that if you looked at ALL of his sermons, you'd find all the MORE little goodies.
Too bad, I know you have a crush on the Reverend, but looks like Obama punk'd him.
April 29, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps it is time for Obama supporters to repeat his line, except this time it would be about Obama himself:
"I Might Not Know Him As Well As I Thought"
Clinton is the right choice if you want a Dem in the White House.
April 29, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this addressees a faltering economy, getting us out of a war that should never have been authorized, a collapsing housing market, $4 a gallon gas, lack of insurance coverage for over 40 million Americans, and mounting foreign debt how exactly?
April 29, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, great line! This is exactly what Obama supporters should be doing. Unfortunately, they are too emotionally invested to do that any more. To those people, it does not matter whehter Obama will lose all remaining contests by 45-55 margin. They "cling" to the math of pledged delegate and their willingness to disenfranchise voters who went out voting in record numbers in MI and FL.
When he was defending Wright, they found good things to say about Wright. Now that he is distancing from Wright, they will start trashing Wright as well. What a bunch of cultists!
There is an old say: you can fool some people all the time, you may fool all people some time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
The Wright chickens have come home to roost! LOL!!!
April 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It sickens me that the Hillbots have adopted the same ad homina and tactics that the right wing had used to such selfish effect for over a decade.
If you truly support Hillary, you should want for all the issues brought to the fore, not these sideshow distractions.
If Hillary gets the nomination, and we spend the summer being regaled with stories and photographic evidence of Hillary's shady business connections, and Bill's peccadilloes, I suspect you folks will not have any friends left in the Democratic party.
"LOL"
April 29, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, Aimey May.
We instead get to vote for someone who hired a notorious union-buster and Big Tobacco/Big Oil shill to run her fucking campaign.
We instead get to vote for someone who TWICE gave Bush a green light for war, once with Iraq, then again with Iran. As a Wise President once said, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on... shame on... uh... won't get fooled again."
We instead get to vote for a corporate lawyer and Wal-Mart board member.
We instead get to vote for someone who was vehemently for NAFTA before she was against it (and lied about being for it before she was against it).
We instead get to vote for someone whose negatives climb ever higher into the stratosphere every time she goes on the attack against her DEMOCRATIC opponent -- but she doesn't care, because all she cares about is lifting her opponent's negative so high that he won't be electable, and she harbors the foolish hope of running as an "I told you so" candidate in 2012.
We instead get to vote for someone who touts her "experience" which includes 8 years as First Lady in a White House that: (1) pushed for NAFTA and WTO (that worked out real well), (2) enabled telecom deregulation (media consolidation is Good For The Country! -- well, good for the corporations that think they are the country, anyway), (3) repealed the Glass-Steagall Act (can you say "subprime mortgage crisis"?), (3) deregulated the commodities markets (can you say "speculative crude oil bubble"?) (4) presided over the LAST bubble (i.e. the dot-com boom-bust), and on and on.
Or... we get to vote for McCain.
I can hardly wait to make that choice.
April 30, 2008 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Troll Spotting 101
If you're new or just not sure how to spot a troll, here is a quick lesson.
1. A troll's post is usually short
2. A troll's post is devoid of intelligent arguments
3. A troll's post is not in tune with reality
4. A troll's post usually ends with an endorsement of their candidate, sort of out of left field. A good example is "Clinton is the right choice if you want a Dem in the White House."
April 29, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frankly, it's disappointing.
Wright's comments, especially the interview with Moyers, sheds light on what he's actually saying. That Obama essentially caved to the twisted perception promulgated by his opponents saddens me.
Is our country so far gone that biblical teachings (as you sow, so shall you reap) get turned into some vile thing that candidates have to repudiate?
Our country can be better than this. I was hoping Obama would point that out. Instead, rather than owning up to consequences of past actions of our government, the people seem to want to stay in denial and insist there is no blood on our hands.
Maybe Pontius Pilate wouldn't mind sharing that bowl of water with us so we can wash our hands, too.
April 29, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
All evidence to the contrary. The Hillbots and the Media have been all over Obama to say exactly what he said today because, apparently, no one understood a single word of his speech on race. And now that he's said it, here come the charges that he's thrown Wright under the bus.
After this turn of events, I have little optimism that our fellow countrymen have the intellectual capacity to be able to filter the trivial from the profound.
April 29, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
He basically called Obama a liar yesterday. he had no choice bu