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Obama On The Air In Kentucky

Barack Obama has this new ad running in Kentucky, a stock ad he's long used to promote his work on ethics reform and his independence from special interests in Washington:

Kentucky may very well be Obama's worst state in the country, both in terms of how he polls against Hillary Clinton in the primary and against John McCain for the general election. So for him to be running an ad here shows the degree to which his campaign is leaving no stone unturned in using their big cash advantage over Hillary Clinton.


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Obama really is running a 50-state campaign. Will he win Kentucky, either against Clinton or McCain? No, of course not. But the 50-state strategy isn't about short term gains (thankfully Obama will win the general without KY this time), it's about building a progressive movement throughout the country for future decades. It about building the party, up and down the ticket. It's about reminding Americans about the true liberal values that our country was founded upon. Obama understands that and has the vision, character, and resources to make it happen.

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It's the reason things are going so well except for the senator from New York who has lost her mind.

But the 50 state strategy is a winning strategy.

He might be credible, if he had a record of independence from special interests in Chicago.

Not sure what special interest you are referring to, but if this is the standard you are articulating, that means you don't believe McCain or Clinton are credible.

I'm referring to Rezko et al.
I'm referring to kickbacks from Michelle Obama's employer in the form of a several hundred thousand dollar pay raise in return for the grant Obama got for the hospital.

Get over it and get on to real issues, economy, war, etc. And lose your avatar if you are going to be an ass about the man.

corruption is a real issue.

I think someones pointed this out, but I love how your avatar clearly shows that he's using two fingers... That is all.

Can't you see? In the split second that frame was shot, Obama's middle finger was extended more than his other fingers. In that split second, Obama was not only flipping off Clinton, he was FLIPPING OFF AMERICA!!!

Does anybody in the damn world remember the '90s anymore?

You know, the decade where the GOP battened on to a whole bunch of dodgy-looking deals that the Clintons were involved in, blew tens of millions of the taxpayer's dollars investigating them, and came up with precisely dick?

There was nothing there back then, and frankly, this stuff Obama's vaguely tied to is less fishy looking than the Whitewater nonsense, and Obama's done a better job clearing the air. That isn't a backhanded slam on the Clintons, either; he probably just paid attention to how things went for them and learned for their mistakes.

VIDEO KILLED THE RADIO STAR

Sorry but due to an absence of sycophantic loafers in the state of KY we are unable to stage a Nuremburg styly rally at this time. Besides radio is cool because no one can hear the boo's.

Sincerely
David Axelrod

VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE
NOT YOUR GUILTY CONSCIENCE

Huh?

Pig out.

I have been communicating with my friends and distant relatives in Northern KY (Cincinnati & Indiana border) - they are all twisted up about Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance - seems the wing-nuts are re-circulating all the hateful emails. I sent them the snopes.com link...and have been encouraging them to verify everything they read.

this is a big hill to climb...no pun intended.

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Perhaps you might want to tell them that it wasn't the Pledge of Allegiance. It was the singing of the national anthem.

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Obama's campaign strategy is a repudiation of the Clinton/DLC "Big State" nonsense, and proof of Howard Dean's 50-state strategy. This is the underlying philosophical battle that's powering much of this race. The DLC is fighting for its very survival.

The Party elders thought they were being so clever by giving Dean a job to keep him busy so he wouldn't run again. Instead, they lost control of the Party.

Obama and Dean are a couple of insurgents, and they have beaten the machine at a game the machine created.

When you got the American people funding your campaign out the wazoo, it doesn't matter where you run your campaign advertisment at. Paid for by the Obama supporters. We stand united.

All "American people" No special interests?
No corporate fatcats?

Present in my so called mind, not based in reality.

Kentucky may not vote for him but the Obama supporters in KY are going to be so happy that Obama campaigned there. That's what matters - the 50-state strategy. We're all important in the cause of democracy & representation and he's made us feel that way. If Hillary had won after the Feb. Super Tues., she would have sat back and bragged on and on about her big state wins and how only the big states are important.

gah.

Omama is wasting money in KY, he'd better save it for the general election

he can't use primary funds for the general or vice versa...there is no money being wasted here.

what he is doing is helping downticket Dems in Kentucky. he won't win this state, but ads like this bring out more Dems to vote and help other Dems running for downticket office.

building a movement from the ground up, baby.

I'm not sure that's right. As I understand it, general funds are only available for the general election, and primary funds are available for both the primaries and the general. ???

He's not "wasting money." This is how you use a money advantage, and its what he'll do in November. You force the other guys to spend time and money defending their "safe" states which leaves them less to spend competing with you in swing states. In this case, he's spending in Kentucky hoping Hillary's lead drops, which will force her to at least spend time and money there herself. When you've got a 4:1 money advantage, if you spend two dollars that forces her to spend one, its a win.

'salright. We'll keep him funded in the general, too.

Pig out.

perhaps he could go squirrel hunting with some of the locals & dine on the squirrely kill. its considered a delicacy in some parts of kentucky. be careful not to get off the beaten path either, you ever seen any of those friday the 13th movies, they all happened right there.

One way to read his devoting money to Kentucky is positive. He's got so much money to burn, he can afford to invest in Kentucky. It's an investment with no potential downside and with an potential upside in the form of an upset victory in KY. Even if he doesn't get an upset victory, if he can hold Clinton's margin down and prevent her from racking up delegates there, that's all to the good.


But there's also another, less favorable, way of reading this. He thinks he NEEDS to at least slow Clinton down in KY if he can. If she racks up a huge win there, pulls off Indiana. and pulls of a surprise in NC, he sees that he may be toast.

Here's what I think Clinton's endgame strategy is. Win out the remaining primaries, to the extent possible -- counting on Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Puerto Rico as relatively sure things, and making a very determined play for NC and Ore. If she pulls upsets in NC and Ore, then Obama will be toast because of the final part of the strategy (which is really a two part argument.)

The two part argument goes like this: Present a case to the supers that Obama is unelectable damaged goods who cannot possibly win the general. Make them WANT to find a way to dump Obama -- a way that is entirely legit and will not alienate his voters.

Well there will be a way, if all goes right. Seating Florida and Michigan.

Hillary is banking on getting the vote count and delegate count to a point that WITH Florida and MI included she is the winner on both fronts. She wants to the supers to see that the ONLY rationale for keeping FL and MI out is to hand the nomination to Obama -- who will be so damaged that he can't win. Instead of keeping FL and MI out, Hillary's delegation + the party apparatus + the uncommitted supers will vote on the floor to seat FL and MI. Obama will lose and Hillary will win.

Everyone is talking about Billary's multi-pronged strategy, but how often can anyone pull off something like this with so many variables and moving parts? I just don't see it happening.

Pig out.

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Multiple moving pieces all have to be in the right place at the right time, and that takes money. Which Clinton lacks.

That would all be far more plausible if super-delegates didn't have intense down-ticket concerns. Hillary does nothing for those.

Unfortunately for Hillary, she is out of resources to pull off huge upsets in the remaining states. If anything, the best she can do is defend her easy states, since it looks like Obama will be campaigning everywhere. Considering that it is now virtually impossible for her to win by pledged delegate count or even the popular vote (despite that metric having nothing to do with determining the nominee), any Clinton "path to victory" is now fiction. At this point, Obama needs to do two things: start his campaign against McCain and do what he can to take the sting out of Hillary's defeat...that's one reason why his SDs are only endorsing one or two a day instead of all at once. Of course, it would be best if Hillary just conceded now and instructed her supporters to get behind Obama, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. *sigh*

He's got his volunteers working KY like crazy (I'm one of them). He's not ignoring any state. That's why he's winning.

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Blackflag,

Please stay very far away from Kentucky. We get terrible migraines when we have to be hospitable to people as tacky and bigoted as you are.

I believe it was snark. Poking fun at Billary's shot and beer with the locals in Penn. You know? Pandering to stereotypes. I could be wrong, though.

Pig out.

i am fully aware that there is a refined kentucky, blue grass, fine liquors, horse from heaven, all that stuff, but you go into western kentucky and you may still find a still or two..or three...i am from south carolina, so i know a few things about life, james dickey was the university of sc's resident author before he died in a car wreck, have you ever seen the movie deliverance

some of this is tongue in cheek, snark whatever you wish to call it

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My point was not to divide up Kentucky into the good folks and the bad ones, but to stand up for all of those who share this beautiful Commonwealth with me.

You aimed your smart-mouthed comment at people who aren't your own, from a distance, figuring they probably wouldn't find out you said it, figuring your liberal audience would like laughing at people they consider are inferior.

That's not snark.

That's bigotry.

Don't do it.

Obama has indeed run a 50 state campaign, unlike Clinton. And he's had only a handful of states in which he's fallen below 40%, unlike Clinton, who's had many.

And I heard another reason for campaigning hard in Kentucky. Is it true that if someone wins 70% of the vote they get all of Kentucky's delegates? If so, he needs to be sure to get over 30% - which is not a sure bet given the racist block that Clinton has such a hold on.

It's really interesting to see that the most conservative, racist part of the country is the area where Kentucky, Ohio, West Virginia, Pennsylvania come together. I had no idea.

Pablo - no, it's not true that 70% = 100% of delegates in Kentucky. Kentucky's delegate formula is about the same as all the other proportional states.

The ad, recycled from PA, is impersonal and makes Obama seem remote, which is the exact opposite tack he needs to take with KY voters. But I guess they'll get to know him after he runs 9,000 ads in KY like he did in PA. Didn't work in PA, won't work in KY. His campaign is shockingly clueless about these voters.

Obama can't win KY in the GE, but Hillary could. Hope she's the nominee.

I have serious doubts that Kentucky will be a swing state regardless of who the nominee is.

At this point, no Democrat would win KY...don't forget, there is still a deep well of hatred for all things Clinton. The press has done a good job of keeping that under wraps for now, but come the general, she would be swamped by every true and untrue anti-Clinton smear that ever spawned from the rotten GOP hive-mind. No, my friend, Hillary would get destroyed in the general, especially in states like KY.

Fortunately, Obama looks like he's on his way to expanding the progressive base like no one has in decades. He won't win KY, but he might help some Dems win down ticket there.

It's not about cash, it's the 50-state strategy.

This is not rocket science TPM. Look at a map.

When you run TV ads in Kentucky,

they are seen in Southern Indiana.

Get it now?

Obama continues to run a very smart, forward-looking campaign. No, he won't win Kentucky. But, when he advertises in Northern Kentucky, it's on the Cincinnati stations. When he advertises in Louisville, it plays in Southern Indiana... most of the states surrounding Kentucky are in play, and will be important swing states in the general election.
Add to that the fact that, by devoting his attention and money to the race in Kentucky, he is helping to revitalize the local Democratic party infrastructure, which has been neglected and ignored by the national party for 2 decades.
Obama won't win Kentucky this time, but watch out in 2012!

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The strategy means he can win some red states and some purple states.

But only if it's Barack.


Clinton has alienated several large voting blocks - she's fucked and so are we if she manages to steal the nomination.

She will not be able to beat McCain because the turnout will SUCK.

Just looked up the totals. Obama has won less than 40% of the vote in only four contests: IA, NH, AR, and OK. Clinton has won less than 40% in 22 contests, including 10 primaries. Amazingly, more people voted in total in Illinois than in New York, which says something about the relative excitement for the home state candidates - given there are more people in New York. Obama walloped Clinton by 2-1 amongst the people who know him best. In New York, Clinton won handily, but Obama easily topped 40%.

Good to see he is advertising in Kentucky. Furthermore, it can't hurt that many of the media markets are shared with Southern Indiana. I still think the polls in Kentucky are wrong. No, he can't win, but I think the polls will come down once people get to know him here.

Kentucky cares about basketball, bourbon and horses. He should play a pickup game against former UK basketball players and then head to the Derby and have a bourbon. (And none of that Canadian crap! A shot of Jim Beam or Woodford Reserve will do fine.)

From factcheck:

We've noted before that Obama's policy of not taking money from lobbyists is a bit of hair-splitting. It's true that he doesn't accept contributions from individuals who are registered to lobby the federal government. But he does take money from their spouses and from other individuals at firms where lobbyists work. And some of his bigger fundraisers were registered lobbyists until they signed on with the Obama campaign.
We find the statement misleading:

* Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.

* Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.

How does this jive with this?

"Misrepresenting your position and carefully parsing your words when you don't think you'll get caught are the hallmarks of the kind of politics that Barack Obama is running to change."

Not taking money from lobbyists is hair-splitting, huh? Now he's not supposed to take money from anyone who works for any company,... or from their spouses? Who does that leave - the unemployed, the homeless, the retired? (Or if you've retired from working for a company, maybe that's no good, either?)

Get a grip!

Not just anyone who works for any company. We're talking oil executives serving as bundlers here.

Texas oil executive Robert L. Cavnar of Milagro Exploration and his wife, Gracie, have helped the Illinois Democrat raise at least another $50,000 by helping host a fundraiser earlier in the campaign.

Other oil industry donors have included Sinclair Oil President Ross Matthews of Texas and John B. Hess, chairman of Hess Corp., a New York-based oil producer and retailer with operations worldwide. Hess, who has given to other presidential candidates, including Sen. John McCain, gave $2,300 to Obama last year, as did his wife, Susan. Hess gave $14,000 to Obama's Senate run in 2003.

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So your beef is that individuals that work for a company raise money for him? Any evidence that any of those individuals are directing others at the firm to donate to him? Any evidence that they are donating with an expectation of future services?

And I'm not going to mention that um, $50M is an incredible small sum of money compared to what he's raised from small donors. Same with the $213M.

This is just sloppy arguing on your part. And I've seen it done to Senator Clinton as well (and it was sloppy arguing then too). The FEC collects a small amount of information, which then people proceed to try to draw large conclusions. Unfortunately without additional information you can't. At least not if you are intellectually honest.

My beef is that he suggests money coming from lobbyists of PACs corrupts a politician and makes them incapable of bringing change to Washington, but apparently it's ok for top oil executives to bundle for your campaign.

That, to me, is the sloppy argument.

And if he were so willing to stand up to lobbyists, he wouldn't have voted for the 2005 Cheney Energy Bill.

So I guess because I work at a university and I donate to his campaign, I will corrupt him and he'll send more funding to universities? Please. Even you don't believe that bs. You're just repeating the Clinton camp talking points.

So what? I work for the Federal Government and I give him $$ - so do my co-workers - that doesn't mean he is Federally financed?!?! What horse hooey!!

Remember what country you live in...AMERICA? We are still free, aren't we? If your spouse works for the Oil companies that doesn't mean you can't support Obama...and how do you know that Oil company person isn't a clerk or they work in the warehouse? Or maybe they just have as much money as they need and now they are thinking about the world they are going to leave for their kids and grandkids...

Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.

a) Obama never said he didn't take money from individuals who worked for energy companies. He said, correctly, that he doesn't take money from federal lobbyists or PACs. Big difference.

b) Perhaps the donators referenced above are those who realize that things need to change in regards to America's energy policies and believe that Obama is the person who can make that happen.

The point is that Obama is not beholden to any federal special interest groups.

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Well how does this jive with the situation: she's nominated, we lose.

just that simple. She and Bill have made it impossible for her to win.

People will not turn out and vote for her now. Large numbers of people.

If she does this - we are all screwed because McCAin is the next president. People won't bother to vote for her because she blew it.

Tena, I didn't know you doubled as a soothsayer on the weekends. Nor did I know that you speak for "the people".

Why do you bother to get on here and defend Obama all the time if you already know the future?

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Read the thread.

Your answer is there.

African Americans have told you for days that Clinton will not get their votes.

Now if you think she can get enough quasi-Republican white votes to win have at it.

smart ass.

Go ahead - run her. Lose to McCain - I don't care. I'll just ignore the whole thing and enjoy the rest of my life.

I mean it - she will not win because loads of people will stay home on election day.

Care to place a bet? I'll bet you $1000 that if she is nominated we lose to McCain.

Look whiner, the gop united with McCain and you are right.

If you whiners will not unite with Clinton she will lose and it will be your fault.

So stop your whining and we should think about the country not one candidate. This election is bigger than Obama or Clinton.

Get real and stop whining.

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Put your money where your big fat mouth is - I'll bet you $1000 that if Clinton is nominated, we lost to McCain.

Put up or shut up.

This election is bigger than Obama or Clinton.

I think that may be the first time I agree with you gotalife. So does that also mean that you will be supporting Obama should he get the nomination? I can't recall if you've answered this before.

The two or three African Americans who have come on this site and said Clinton will not get their votes do not represent the whole of the African American population. Just like the other Obama supporters on this site do not reflect the larger population.

If one were to judge by this site alone, Obama would have clinched the nomination through pledged delegates already and 95% of his supporters would tell exit pollsters that they would never vote for Clinton.

In reality, more Clinton supporters are less likely to vote for Obama than vice versa. Sorry, but it's true.

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Ok , go ahead and count on that and see what happens.
How many African Americans live in your city or town?

I know what I know because I know what I saw and I know that we won't see anything like 4000 people turning out in one precinct in predominantly African American Oak Cliff, because that has only happened once in the entire 55 years I've lived here.

Once. They turned out to vote for Obama all over this city and they will not do the same for Clinton because I know I won't and I know what turnout is in Dallas Co for every regular election for years. It is low and it will be low if she is the nominee.

Go ahead - try it. I don't care anymore. If she is hell bent on losing = go ahead and lose to McCain. Fuck it.

Tena is right, we all know it. Some just chose to bury their head in the sand.

See what I mean?

No.

Some just chose to bury their head in the sand.

Ha! This said by someone who uses a Holly Golightly avatar.

And lived happily ever after.

Well, baby, you're already in that cage—you built it yourself.

Gasket blown. And no one should diss Audrey Hepburn.

no one should diss Audrey Hepburn

You're the one dissing her, independentmeans. Audrey Hepburn wasn't a bigot like you. She wasn't afraid of visiting places where poor or uneducated people lived. In fact, she sought it out.

I am not afraid, I am disgusted with the right wing gay hating bigots like yourself.

I am disgusted with the right wing gay hating bigots like yourself

lol! And how do you know I'm not gay, Holly? You've more than proven you're the ignorant one, independentmeans, not your fellow Democrats in OH, PA, KY, IN or anywhere else. Why don't you go help those who don't have independent means for a change. Do you good to get out of the house. You're getting awfully bitchy.

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My my - aren't you sounding bitter?

Define bitter.

Ha! Perfection.

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And it's not bounded in the west by Tulip, Texas, or in the east by Somali-land. ...

To be fair, you should have put it in quotes.

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He is lying about not taking their money but you already know.

Folks are starting too ask how he can win the general ater tossing white, blue collar, workers overboard. Michigan, Florida and the other big States too.

The tide has turned.

No gotalife, "folks" are asking when will you quit blogging you demented posts.......

About the tide, are you drowning?

OMG, I will NEVER visit these states, they scare the hell out of me. Ohio, PA, Kentucky, TN, Alabama, Georgia, is it the water or what? Inbreeding over several generations? Never stepping foot out of your place of residence?

Like a whole separate area of third world nations, based on voting.

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Careful.

One of the reasons it is like this down here is that we have been abandoned to the tender mercies of the Republicans, the carpet baggers, the conmen looking to make money off of poor people, for about 200 years in some of those states.

Don't go off on what people don't understand - which is what Obama was trying to say when he got smeared for the bitterness comment.

Tena: You look at the exit polls in these states, and I am not talking TX, they are under-educated (all they have to do is read) people who generally vote against their best interests time and again. It can be excused once, but to vote so stupidly, and I cam speaking economics here, election after election, says something about this region. Not all people, but quite a few. I also suspect based on the comments coming from this area that racism is alive and well. I cannot excuse several states that will not become informed and yet whine over the "decline" of their jobs being lost. They base their votes on a moral issue, such as abortion, that GW never fixed and will never be fixed to their liking. They base their votes on anti-gay measures, and they buy into Rev. Wright propaganda without questioning both sides. A large populace there still thinks being gay is a "choice", and frankly, if you are going to vote based on guns and war, you get what you deserve.

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I know, independent means.

Look, this is a hard damn country and it gets harder all the time to stand for what's right, swear to god.

But I'm real sensitive to this, particularly after Katrina. The South gets hated across the board, and it gets exploited, sneered at, and up until Howard Dean came along - it got ignored for a long long time.

That just adds to the problems here. And what people forget, when the racists and the crackers down here get all the attention, is that they aren't the only ones who get hurt. This part of the country isn't all that white, actually. So it's a bit of a touchy situation, to say the least.

Katrina is EXACTLY it. Where is the outrage? How can anyone that lives in that area vote for a Republican after what was done to them?! But they will, especially if they have the Barbara Bush attitude, lucky you are in a stadium in TX now.

It is a disgrace.

That's an awfully bigoted way to view a large chunk of your fellow Democrats. Thankfully, Obama isn't nearly as close-minded.

Campaigning in all states in vitally important - for all the reasons stated up thread and because of the proven record Obama has of always increasing his percentages the more the electorate gets to know him. The opposite has often been true for Hillary.

Everyone matters in this race, every vote, and it does no one any good to write off large chunks of the country.

I is a very bigoted view, I admit it. Look at the voting, and the mind-set, and tell me why one would not get that impression? How does one not vote for a candidate based on a flag pin? Really ignorant. Of course I am not speaking for all people. Hell, Mike Malloy lives in Georgia and is brilliant. But overall, very non-progressive.

Correction, it is a very bigoted view.

Well, I happen to live in one of the big cities in one of your scorned states. Like most urban areas, it is solidly Democratic. My city went solidly for Obama, 59% to 37%.

But we also have a lot of rural area in my state, and as is true of every other state in the nation, these areas tend to be more conservative. Nonetheless, there is no single "mindset" to these states or these areas. And to assume racial prejudice exists only in the south is extremely naive.

The republican party have been masters at wielding social issues to garner votes, and Hillary seems to have learned that lesson well. Unfortunately, the habit of categorizing huge groups of people as "lesser than" plays right into their hands.

Please don't.

fairbrooks: I am not saying racism is only alive and well in the south, it is alive and well on my street. I am saying that an impoverished area such as the states I mentioned vote over and over ( I am speaking majority vote) against themselves. It does not make one want to "visit" the area, i.e. PA. At least not without a lapel pin.

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Well I don't mean to jump on you - it's a very common view. I'm just as guilty as anyone of saying the same thing cause it's true.

I just got very sensitive about it when Katrina hit. And because I took years' worth of insults about the south from a lot of liberals who have never so much as set foot here.

Tena: That is why we don't set foot there. It is very narrow minded, I agree. I guess what I am trying to say is, why go there? I read/watch the comments of the voters, and see the breakdown on how/why they voted, and it just says a lot about the area. New Orleans is gorgeous. History is amazing. Katrina is a national disgrace that to this day makes me sick to even fathom happening. So where is the outrage, why is it not showing in the voting booth? Acceptance maybe? And that is no excuse. I agree with you. I am being totally unfair to lump states. I am also being truthful about how these states became termed fly over states. If you have never stepped foot there, again, there is not a lot of incentive to do so if one has a biased view from reading that these areas are right wing havens, again, based on voting record over several years. Strom Thurmond, case in point.

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That is where it gets really thorny and complicated and stupid.

We do vote against our best interests down here and that is due to a lot of stupidity - I admit it. It's also largely because we are saddled with more nutjob jakeleg preachers down here than you can shake a stick at.

I'd love to round them all up and send them somewhere else.

It's just the makings of an ongoing idiotic nightmare because the cities in the south are just as progressive as they are in the northeast.

Point well taken. And I didn't realize the Preachers were such an influence.

PS: Have you noticed all the Preachers blogging? :)

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Not exactly, though I have a good friend in Houston who has a blog called Adventus that I highly recommend. Robert is a theologian and activist and has a fabulous understanding of philosophy and theology and runs a very intelligent blog.

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You're being incredibly fair. I would have told ms. head up her ass to go *f* herself.

What a pathetic bigot.

The sad thing is "ready to blow" (whomever) that you never really know who you are talking to on these posts. You have no clue where I have lived, what my social economic status is, what I do for a living, where I have traveled, etc., good thing to remember. I would love it if you are gay and have no problem being open about it.

Good riddance, independentmeans!

You are the biggest dumb ass ever to blog. Even your avatar is dumb ass. Your IQ obviously is a two digit number, YOU jerkoff.

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If you must resort to common vulgarisms, you should at least learn how to spell them correctly.

dumb-ass Audio Help /ˈdʌmˌæs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[duhm-as] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun Slang: Vulgar. a thoroughly stupid person; blockhead. Also, dumbass.

[Origin: 1970–75; Americanism]

:D

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I do not think there is an excuse for your brand of bigoted ignorance.

Tell me, are people like: William Wells Brown (first published African American Novelist), William H. Peck, Henry Timrod, Sidney Lanier, Thomas Nelson Page, Charles W. Chesnutt, ,Samuel Langhorne Clemens (Mark Twain for you ignorant pinheads), William Faulkner, Caroline Gordon, Tennessee Williams, Katherine Anne Porter, Allen Tate, Thomas Wolfe, Robert Penn Warren, H.L. Mencken, Margaret Mitchell, Elvira Garner, ,Zora Neale Hurston, Sterling Allen Brown, Dori Sanders, Eudora Welty, Flannery O'Connor, Carson McCullers. Reynolds Price, James Dickey, Walker Percy, Harper Lee, John Kennedy Toole, James Lee Burke, Truman Capote, Barry Hannah, Pat Conroy, Fannie Flagg, Randall Kenan, Ernest Gaines, John Grisham, Mary Hood, Lee Smith, Tom Robbins, Tom Wolfe, Wendell Berry, Cormac McCarthy, Anne Rice, Edward P. Jones, Barbara Kingsolver, Willie Morris, Anne Tyler, Larry Brown and Kaye Gibbons; examples of this supposed "ignorance" you decry? People you wouldn't want to run across?

They are all products of the "South" you so snobbishly dismiss.

Your loss.

I am not a Southener, but I am open-minded enough to appreciate their values and their contribution to what is America. I personally would not be "ascared" of driving into an Alabama town with my Connecticut license plates. The only people that should be are low life bigots that consider themselves better than anyone else.

Those people ought to be afraid of venturing just about anywhere, including 5th Avenue in New York City.

If the Democrats lose in November it will be thanks to jerks like you that look down your long noses at those you consider to be your "inferiors."

Thanks a lot. Take your ignorant bigotry and stuff it along with your diamond studded cig holder. People like you make the shade of Audrey Hepburn vomit.

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A colleague in another department at the college I work at wanted to offer a new course on "The South". He's a historian. The proposed catalog description has the following in it: The south is an intellectual and cultural wasteland.

I had to argue with him through the course of three separate meetings to get him to take it out. He just didn't understand why there was a problem with it.

People in the Northeast are incredibly dismissive, and ignorant, about the Deep South. Talk about bigots.

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cultural wasteland really really gets me -
Faulkner? Welty? the list is endless. And where would this country's music be without the South? American music originated down here.

It really gets me when the northeast gets like that and I've really had some nasty fights with northeastern liberals.

I also get tired of the Give Texas back to Mexico crowd.

I want to say - fine. It would be way cheaper for me if I lived in Mexico. Not to mention easier to score and less likely to go to jail for it.

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One more thing - those liberals are really dissing African American culture, because that is the culture down here. White might not want to admit that, but most realize it because it's a fact.

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The thing that always just kills me when people in the Northeast make such stupid statements about, for instance, Mississippi, where I lived for seven years, is that 95% of the time they've never even been there

Hello? We're supposed to be teaching our students how to think critically, yet we don't even examine our own biases and assumptions?

Excellent point, CT. My father was born in Mississippi (- actually went to school with Elvis for a short time!).

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Let's hear it for Tupelo!

Tena: The idea is to educate and inform, which I think you try to do. Also, I am not from the Northeast. I have lived east coast, west coast, midwest, etc. I refuse to participate in the politics of meanness and name calling, especially when I tried very hard to explain what I was saying, and understand. AND, I did not say everyone in the south, lots of sensitivity here. People say extremely rude things about CA ALL THE TIME, and I do not blow a gasket. You, of course, are excluded from the second part of this paragraph. Take care.

I refuse to participate in the politics of meanness and name calling

Oops! I guess you forgot you called me a right wing gay hating bigot upthread. So, bye!

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Obviously not all Northeasters. I don't think it's right to lump all Northeasterners together anymore than it is to lump Southeners together.

Obviously, there are bigots everywhere, and there are good people everywhere.

The things that make regions unique tend to be the positive contributions. The negative ones tend to be common to ALL areas.

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I do not mean to say that all northeasterners or northeastern liberals are like that at all.

I happened to run into and hang with a very supercilious, self-congratulatory, bunch of yankees for awhile.

I admit I speak from bad experience and don't mean to paint everyone that way by any means.

I love the northeast. I love every one of my friends in New York and the east dearly. They often have a point - but most haven't been very far from Manhattan.

Maybe to California, on vacation. LOL!!!

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I think we've all run into them. I commend you for your patience. I really have had it with elitism, in all it's ugly forms, especially from so-called "progressives." In fact, that insults my sense of outrage even more, as they're supposed to know better.

It's lost the American people more than just elections.

Your viciousness and rudeness, even in light of my explaining myself, and trying to discuss and understand, not name call, has prompted me to write this note to Josh, this has been progressing over the weeks with people like yourself and your vile language, gotalife, another_reader, etc. All the best to you, despite the way you chose to express yourself. Tena, to her credit, discusses and educates. Kudos to her.


Josh:

I enjoyed posting on your site. I love the sharing of ideas and opinions. Obviously we do not all agree, and tempers flare, etc., but all in all it was fun and I learned a lot. Unfortunately, today it was said I should have been told to go f**k myself. That is it, I am off the site, removed from my bookmarks. Life is too short for this type of stress. I stated an observation and explained in detail where I was coming from, and to have this type of feedback just turns off visitors. You cannot control this, nor do I want you to, however, politics has become the a dark black hole of meanness and rudeness.

The above was written for workerbee.

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I'm sorry you are leaving. I've enjoyed reading your comments.

Thank you very much. You too.

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Wow. Listen you pathetic wimp. When you say "vicious," rude and extremely offensive and nasty things like this:

OMG, I will NEVER visit these states, they scare the hell out of me. Ohio, PA, Kentucky, TN, Alabama, Georgia, is it the water or what? Inbreeding over several generations? Never stepping foot out of your place of residence?

Like a whole separate area of third world nations, based on voting.


Don't whine when you get it back in full measure.

How is accusing a region of the country of "inbreeding" sufficiently different that saying you ought to "f" yourself?

Pot meet kettle. As far as whining to Josh about it, I wouldn't bother him with such pettiness. How childish. Next time you decide to decry a whole region of the country as ignorant and inbred, you might pause at your own rather obviously vile words.

You might also try getting out more and reading a few of the authors I cited.

Your words just proved my point. You did not read my follow up posts nor try to discuss as Tena did. I think Josh should know when he loses readers due to foul language. There is a huge difference between ignorant ideology, which you could accuse me of, and your telling me to f myself.

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What, precisely, is there to "discuss?"

You were rude, offensive, and ignorant. I called you on it.

Unlike other people here, I make no apologies for hate speech when I see rather blatent examples of it. Maybe they're better people than me, kudos to them.

What I see here is a pathetic attempt by you to change the subject.

It ain't working.

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Furthermore, I never told you to f yourself. I commented to Tena (who, herself used the tewrm "fuck" twice in this thread) that if someone said what you did about my friends and neighbors I would have. said so Rightly so.

As it is, the only thing rude about my reply to you was to call you a jerk.

After this temper tantrum of yours and running off to "Dad," I must say I haven't changed my mind about that.

I feel quite certain that you'll show up in some other form, perhaps with another avatar you don't have a hope of living up to, and continue to sow division and hatred with your narrow world view.

I'll be expecting you.

Tena,
Agreed. And ditto on the years of insults. I've always said the easiest thing in the world is to be an east or west coast liberal. You want to really test your mettle, be a liberal in the south!

Independentmeans: the reasons for people in this region voting against their economic well being are so varied and complex and old that they cannot be summarized in a single paragraph. Scores of books have been written on the subject. And while I agree with Tena that pseudo Christian preachers are a problem, people like them are opportunists, and flourish in areas of depressed means. They are often a symptom, not the cause.

I hope one day you are able to overcome your aversion to those unlike yourself and broaden your horizons. We will welcome you anytime.

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That they are a symptom is true, but that whole thing takes on a life of its own.

It's better than it was here in Dallas - we were overrun with the bastards for awhile and we are very lucky to have one of the best and most dedicated de-bunkers of those conmen in the world here = Ole Anderson. He devotes his life to revealing the con in those conmen and we don't have a half dozen any more.

Of course, Dallas is sophisticated place these days, compared to how it was when I was a kid and it was still a very provincial, small, totally white-run, but a secret council of businessmen.

That isn't the case any more - thank the gods.

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The reason I come down on this is because even more than racism, what has been running the far right sensibility down here for years are the churches - the religious right is anti-progressive and they have had a very concerted campaign to take over down here for years. If you didn't notice - they started with the school boards. And now our dropout rate is the highest in the nation and even when they graduate, half of our students think Jesus rode dinosaurs to Sunday School.

That is a very very major problem down here.

Well, Tena, with that experience, you'll enjoy this:

My daughter is a second grade public school teacher here. She teaches in a large Title 1 school with about twenty nationalities. It's nearing the end of the year, and the kids are getting antsy and misbehaving more than usual, including lots of tattling.

The other day she decided to address the issue with the whole class, telling them "you know what I do when somebody says something mean to me? I just"...and here she brushed off her shoulders just like Obama. She told me after that she would look out on the playground and see little kids standing down their taunters with a brush of their shoulders. Beautiful.

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Nice story.

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I love it. It's a great story. There is one house in my neighborhood with a Hillary sign and I'm just childish enough to have driven past multiple times now blasting "Dirt Off My Shoulder" with all the windows down.

Hilarious, Tena!

This whole "conversation" has reminded me of an interview done with Stephen Colbert a while ago on 60 Minutes. When questioned by the interviewer as to why he, a man raised in the south, did not have a southern accent, he replied

At a very young age, I decided I was not gonna have a southern accent. Because people, when I was a kid watching TV, if you wanted to use a shorthand that someone was stupid, you gave the character a southern accent. And that's not true. Southern people are not stupid.

I think it's not a bad idea for all of us to remember that one of the central messages we find so significant with Obama is that of One America.

There are plenty of progressive Democrats in states like Kentucky. The problem lies in the flawed strategy of the past 20 years, of abandoning states that would be more difficult to win, and focusing on the swing states.
Until Howard Dean and his 50-state strategy came along, Kentucky hadn't seen any money or attention from the national party since I don't know when.
We elected a Dem Governor last year, and a progressive congressman (Yarmuth) the year before. This year, we're going to give Mitch McConnell a run for his money!
Don't count us out again!

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What part of "one nation, indivisible" don't you understand?

People who disagree with you, and even people who live in states where a lot of people disagree with you, are still part of our shared country.

Your fear of them is unworthy of an American.

No post about this front page article in today's WaPo? Some quotes:

"If you have any, any kind of loyalty to the Democratic Party, perhaps you need to rethink your strategy and bow out gracefully in order to save this party from a disastrous end in November," Rep. William Lacy Clay (Mo.), an African American Obama supporter, said in an appeal to Clinton.
"I think she is destroying the Democratic Party," said New York lawyer Daniel Berger, who had backed Clinton with the maximum allowable donation of $2,300. "That there's no way for her to win this election except by destroying [Obama], I just don't like it. So in my own little way, I'm trying to send her a message."

The message came in the form of a $2,300 contribution to Obama.

The Obama converts include William Louis-Dreyfus. The billionaire New York financier said he had been impressed by Clinton's performance in the Senate and distressed by eight years of the Bush administration when he donated the maximum to her campaign last August. Then, he said, he began watching more closely.

....

He also expressed, as did other big givers who crossed to Obama, exasperation about the tone of the Clinton campaign and frustration with the candidate herself.

"At the end of the day, all she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her," Louis-Dreyfus said.

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"At the end of the day, all she had to do was open her mouth for me not to believe her," Louis-Dreyfus said.

That's exactly what she did - she opened her own mouth and hung herself herself very thoroughly.

I've never been so disgusted.

ABC/Washington Post Nation Poll:

Sixty percent of voters, nationally, believe that Hillary does not tell the truth, and they find her to very untrustworthy.

If you know that a person is a habitual liar, and that you would not trust them under any circumstances,are you going to vote for that person. Of course not, except Gotalife, the Idiot that has gone missing from a Village in Clintonia.

G.O.P. Now Sees Obama as Liability for Ticket:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/us/politics/26ticket.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

Yeah wanker, I am the idiot that wants to lose three in a row.

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The GOP says Obama is a liability.

I assume they are talking about a liability for the Democrats.

I so appreciate the fascists telling me about my liabilities.

god you're pathetic - you actually agree with the GOP?

Boy are you dumb. What makes you think they are being honest about this?

goddamn

Dude, there's nothing in that article that implies Clinton is the stronger candidate. Have you looked at her unfavorability ratings? 60% of the country (rightly) thinks she's a habitual liar.

People whose opinions we consider when picking a Democratic nominee:

  • The leader of Hamas
  • Republican spin-meisters

People whose opinions we should ignore when picking a Democratic nominee:

  • Democracts who don't live in OH, PA or FL.

Wow. Using <ul> tags in posts here makes them look like ass.

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In case you missed it - here's Bill Moyer's interview with Rev. Wright:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html

It was a very good discussion!

Enjoy!

You know, Clinton is running all sorts of negative ads on Obama, trying to capitalize on his weaknesses. I would love to see an ad listing all of Clinton's lies. She's already perceived as untrustworthy - good way to drive up HER negatives. After all, the Republicans will surely do it - and she SHOULD be tested - it would be doing her a favor.

chicagotribune.com
Clinton's endearing fictions

Steve Chapman

April 27, 2008


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0427chapmanapr27,0,4325793,print.column


Team Obama has had a 50 state approach from day one and have found the money to propel it. Funds raised for the primary cannot be used in the general election, and it seems Obama will have an excess( No I do not beleive he will pay off Clinton's debts even if she asks & yes she would).
It seem that party building with the excess would be a good way to use these excess; I suspect he would regardless of race turned out.

So Kentucky, hello!

I think it is wonderful he is in EVERY state introducing himself and not giving up. I am also happy my donations go to ads like the one in Kentucky. Hope he does a decent showing.

Again, I'm not sure that's right. I understood that primary money could be used for both the primaries and the general election. I'll check the "internets," though.

So, Obama is playing the race card again because Wright is back just like he did after wrightgate.

Funny, Clinton attended all AA events but Obama could not be bothered.

Then he claims he is using a new kind of politics but this is Rove politics just like w used against mcwar in the last cycle.

Obama is destroying the party with this bs and you are buying it again.

Pathetic.

Too funny......made my day. You are just so silly it is humorous. That is what you are going for, isn't it?

You can't counter because I post the truth and you know it elite troll.

Elite trolls? That is rather a compliment coming from a troll who devours and spews toxic bile as a result of a steady diet of Hillary's lying rubbish. If I lived on a steady diet of that I'd be dyspeptic too.

Try some wine with a good "YES WE CAN" YouTube clip. It migh improve your mood and allow you to spew something more uplifting.

So... those who don't agree with you are idiots? Sounds elitist to me.

I didn't say idiots, I said they'd be dyspeptic. Life is too short for that, if one can avoid it.

The wine and YouTube prescription was meant to be a positive remedy to a dyspeptic state. Certainly not elitist.

Sorry-- I was referring to the inappropriately named "gotalife," not you.

Vyv

Not know the fundamental difference between the definitions of the words "truth" and "opinion" is a classic Republican Dittohead characteristic. Congratulations. ;-)

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Has to be.

Half the time I think it's a parody program. No one is really that stupid.

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One of my very favorite writers online is Hunter, who sometimes has diaries at Kos. He used to be a regular commenter and troll hunter at several locations and he is brilliant and so funny. He's got a great piece up at Kos about Peggy Noonan, which explains why I think she is such a giant joke and why I don't want her kind words about my candidate.

http://dailykos.com/

It's OT, but worth it:

"America is in line at the airport. America has its shoes off, is carrying a rubberized bin, is going through a magnetometer. America is worried there is fungus on the floor after a million stockinged feet have walked on it. But America knows not to ask. America is guilty until proved innocent, and no one wants to draw undue attention. [...]" [noonan]

Now America needs to go to the bathroom. Sweet Jesus, why did America drink an entire Starbucks latte on the way here? What was America thinking? America crosses its legs, hoping to hell the line speeds up. Crap, thinks America, did I leave the toaster plugged in? For some reason, America has always harbored the secret fear that somehow, of all the electrical appliances in the entire house, the toaster is the one that will spontaneously erupt into flames while America is away for a few days. So America always unplugs the toaster before leaving on a long trip, even while leaving all the other appliances and electronics that are, truth be known, probably much more likely to burst into flames for no apparent reason. What can America say? America learned it from its mother.

HTX

Here is another beaut from Hunter on Bill.

Hillary Clinton won't be the nominee, but a small part of me wishes she would have won and then become President to see her and Bill fight for the microphone to answer those questions shouted out to "President Clinton." .

Loved it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/26/10509/1984/600/503842

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I did too and I should have quoted that too.

I do just love the guy - I've been reading him for over 5 years and he's truly brilliant.

This is why I love the blogs so much and the comments boards - the people are incredible - by and large. So damn smart so witty.

And of course, then there is the other end of the spectrum: gotalife, etc.

but as Fiddy says: gotta take the good with the bad I guess.

I agree blogs are fun & informative but with trolls playing the spoilers.

I don't read any post by these trolls anymore (and alas, also the replies to them).

Ariana Huffington(talking about Hillary): ...Beeell Cleeenton has slept with more black women than Obama

Bill Maher: at least her(Hillary) husband wasn't gay!

Ouch.

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Of all the nasty things that prick, Maher, has said over the years - and he is no advocate of feminism by a long long way - he's a jerk, actually, personally a jerk - that was the lowest I've seen him hit.

He didn't do anything but make himself look like the arrogant prick he is.

Bill should be half as smart as he thinks he is - then he might have something.


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Acyually, I felt a little sick when he said he thought those kids in Florida ganging up and beating up that girl and filming it was "funny."

That was totally disgusting.

:(

I don't know what's happened to Bill.

Take a number, you are one of the multitude!

F you.

Breathtaking. A philanderer married to a liar. What an inspiration to American youth.

I have often wondered why all of the women who are part of Hillary's "you go girl" coalition would overlook the fact that she stayed married to a philanderer. I guess it is because he isn't gay.

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I have given up wondering about what it is that makes Hillary followers so blinded by the huge neon sign on her forehead that says: First Woman President, that they've thrown all reason to the winds and become maenads - if you know what that is.

They are just maenads, running absolutely wild threw the party tearing people to pieces with their bare hands.

I give up - I officially don't care. Nominate the bitch - lose the election to McCain.

Go ahead. I'm joining whatever 3d party African Americans put together when they walk out on the Democratic Party. I'm going with them.

The Clintons and their insane followers are welcome to ruin the Democratic Party irrevocably. I am tired of fighting it.

Yes. Know maenads...have read the Bacchae

Since I am spared the day to day of living in America I'm of the same mind.

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I'm sorry - if that sounded condescending, I didn't mean for it to.

Please accept my apology.

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You got that wrong dumbass.

She said Bill Mahr had slept with more black women than Obama has.

And he has - he's bragged about it often enough.

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You got that wrong dumbass.

She said Bill Mahr had slept with more black women than Obama has.

And he has - he's bragged about it often enough.

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threw should have been "through" and that's what I have been saying about comments boards and homophones - for some reason the internet interferes with that part of my brain that knows the difference between different words that sound the same.

Obama supporters will like this article from The New Yorker. It says the opposition to Obama is purely racist in nature. It has a totally unsympathetic view of less educated lower income whites. It does not allow the possibility that they might have concerns about Obama's attitudes about race, and what his association with Jeremiah Wright might mean. It doesn't allow that they might vote for a different black candidate. It merely states the simplistic notion that they, particularly older voters, won't vote for a black man under any circumstances because they are racists.

It is another example of how Obama's candidacy is bringing America together.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2008/04/the-race-in-eas.html

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Javol, Sturmtrooper Otto. thanks for the report from the ANT for the day.

Jumping to conclusions is find, but jumping off a cliff? Do you really expect much company?

Enjoy yourself!

You aren't very good at this whole "reading" thing, are you?

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So for him to be running an ad here shows the degree to which his campaign is leaving no stone unturned in using their big cash advantage over Hillary Clinton.

Holy shit, Eric. You really think we're morons, don't you? Please allow me to reframe your statement, sans the huge, stinking pile of Hillary-centric crap:

So for him to be running an ad here shows the degree to which his campaign is leaving no stone unturned in their quest to win the nomination.

Better? You betcha.

to win the nomination/

to win the Presidency /

/Fixed.

"After Craig Crawford dared to confront pompous ass Keith Olbermann about being pro-Obama, he disappeared from MSNBC as a regular pundit. Rachel Sklar used to appear on that cable network, but it's doubtful she'll ever be back following her comments about Olbermann."

KO uses the same w tactics he rages about.

Hypocrite.

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Sorry. Craig Crawford is an idiot. Why do you put quotes around your comments? If someone else made that comment, why not cite the person? Or link to them?

The HMS Clintonic has hit an Iceberg. All the first class passengers are jumping into the Obama lifeboats.

From the Washington Post:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/25/AR2008042503707.html


More than 70 top Clinton donors wrote their first checks to Obama in March, campaign records show. Clinton's lead among superdelegates, a collection of almost 800 party leaders and elected officials, has slipped from 106 in December to 23 now, according to an Associated Press tally.

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Yowza!


Thanks for lifting my spirits.

That stupid Eleanor Clift article bummed me out so badly that this morning all I could think was: ok - nominate the bitch. Lose the election. I'm tired of the whole damn thing - don't care.

But I do care, when you come along and give me a reality check.

Thanks.

Tena: Left you a note and compliment up above on the post. All the best.

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Saw it.

Back atcha!

Craig Crawford is the least funny man in America. He personifies the rule that 90% of success is showing up.

Well, it is very obvious that KO had Clyburn on to play the race card because Wright was the headline.

This tactic is disgusting and you know it is true.

Obama took the high road and called it bs.

"Present" is worried about corruption regarding Obama! What a joke! The Clintons take the cake on corruption!

Hillary and Bill facing fraud charges, and media not covering it. Hearing is this month.

Case Number: BC304174
PETER F PAUL VS WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON
Hillary facing fraud charges
Filing Date: 10/14/2003
Case Type: Fraud (no contract) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings
04/25/2008 at 08:31 am in department 47 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Those who do not drink the kool aid see it .

Both times Wright headlines the news, the race card comes out.

His media like KO leads with Clyburn not Wright like the other media.

Put down the kool aid.

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You are the stupidest troll on the internet =

You got the comment Arianna made wrong, dumbass.

She was't talking about Bill Clinton, you doofus. She was talking about Bill Mahr - who has bragged often enough about how many black women he's banged.

You are truly amazingly dumb.

"Deliverance" took place in Georgia, not Kentucky.

Tounge in cheek or snark or whatever you want to call it, implying that the people of Ky are inbred Ned Beatty (Ky native, btw) rapists is not exactly the way to win their votes.

Come on.

No one has done more for the people of Kentucky than Barack Obama.

Not being American, Can anyone explain to me why the American media make such a huge deal out of things like "Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance" or a flag pin on a jacket, or Mischelle Obama giving the slightest indication America has things not to be proud about???
Is patriotism some sort of enshrined religion?
It just seems insane to me!

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It's probably too late to reply, but it is insane, given that, for instance, Clinton doesn't wear a flag pin.

And by the way, Obama didn't put his hand over his heart during the playing of the national anthem. To say it was during the pledge of allegiance is to parrot a rightwing talking point.

Which brings me back to the media. The media's coverage has declined to such an extent that it is almost a parody of itself. They clamor about Obama not wearing a flag pin, while they themselves do not wear flag pins. They clamor about "elitism", while earning high salaries and living in very homogenous and restricted cultures.

But they know what gets attention, and in the wake of 9/11, any hint of a lack of patriotism will get attention. Does it make any sense whatsoever? No. And our country will continue to pay the price of allowing this bullshit to continue.

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If Obama wants to win over the Kentucky people, basketball is the opiate of Kentuckians. Put on the old UK Wildcat cap and play a little basketball with some kids down in Eastern Kentucky. That will do more than all the commercials.

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