Hillary Hits Obama: "Pennsylvanians Don't Need A President Who Looks Down On Them"
Hillary has just taken a hard shot at Obama over some comments he was reported to have made about small town America, saying of Obama that "Pennsylvanians don't need a President who looks down on them."
According to The Huffington Post, Obama, at an event with some of his wealthier California backers, said the following about life in hardscrabble small town America.
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.""And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Hillary, in comments to reporters just moments ago in Philadelphia, seized on Obama's use of the word "bitter," and said (transcript sent over by her campaign):
"I saw in the media it's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that's not my experience."As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children.
"Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them, they need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, your families."
A spokesperson for McCain has also taken a shot at Obama over the comment, saying it "shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking."
The Obama camp is being mum on this thus far. We'll see whether the Friday night news black-hole smothers this story.
Late Update: Obama responds, and doesn't mention a certain someone.

Keep talking Obama and let the voters get to know you better.
Meanwhile, Clinton leads again on crime.
April 11, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary hates American...well, the majority of it/the states she lost. This won't get Bill's Bosnia fib or the Paul Begala rant against Penn today on the Situation Room on CNN. Where's the video?
April 11, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Hillary hates American..." (sic)
Space-snot, you really are drunk on Republican talking points aren't you? Take some advice, Princess: Finish high school, go to college, get a job, and learn to think on your own.
Hates America. Good God. You people really are pathetic.
April 11, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Mr. Troll, you're still stalking me. Shame on you.
Hang on, what does the Hillary Death Watch on Slate say today:
http://www.slate.com/id/2188742/
April 11, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
It says you are a moron for believing and espousing this garbage. Turn off MSNBC and do some thinking for yourself. Just try thinking on your own, darn it, you just might like it.
April 11, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow Coolio, you're sure angry. Now I know that if I type and inadvertent letter "n" or another typo that it will drive you and his trollness to web rage. Calm down and go smoke another of what ever it is you're on and finish Mein Kampf.
April 12, 2008 3:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well Amber, you really are stupid aren't you? The name is not Coolio by the way. I guess reading is not one of your strengths, neither is spelling, I hope the third option is something you are good at.
April 12, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
get back under your bridge, leia.
April 12, 2008 3:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Get back at the end of my pencil, you weirdo stalker.
April 12, 2008 7:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
wow, really got me there, troll.
April 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see you gave her one of my *FREE PASSES*. Good job -- I'm glad to see you're using them.
That leaves with you two, btw. And seeing how this is a non-issue, you sort of wasted that one.
[shrug]
April 11, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
What crime has Clinton committed this time?
April 11, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
When's Clinton going to stop running for Clown In Chief?
April 11, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
as soon as obama quits hawking hope for his own personal gain.
glad to see this will be the last we'll see of obama after he loses the nom. as michelle said, "this is the only time we're doing this."
begone spot!
April 12, 2008 3:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
And the truth will set you free
Which is why you rarely get it from Greg Sargent
Telling Clinton/Bush what they need to hear...
Indeed they do
April 11, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
what nonsense. Obama and his supporters are dancing around this problem. The truth is that this is his response to a question about why Democrats in PA are not voting for him and what to expect when canvassing democrats in PA. In addition to painting democrats in this light he also suggested they were racist by saying they were "suspicious of him as a 46 year old black man".
Once again he plays the race card and is self serving.
April 13, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is another example of why Obama and especially his supporters want the campaign over quickly because the more we hear and read, the more we see that he is the wrong candidate. Contrary to Farrakhan and Oprah's pronouncments that he is "The One", he is instead an inexperienced politician, with a corrupt background, built up on lies, and stoked with racism and hate.
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 11, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong Again MW. I'm an Obama supporter and I
a) have no problem with this, and
b) don't want the race to end soon.
I'm not even sure how HRC gets away with implying Obama is looking down on anyone. What I see is him telling the truth about the bitterness people feel toward politicians who talk the talk but don't walk the walk. People lose their jobs, and someone like Clinton promises a Czar on poverty or another job training program, and then nothing happens. If anything, Obama is signaling that he identifies with the small town bitterness, he understands it, gets it, and isn't going to play the same political games that every other politician plays.
Wanting the race to end early? Only to the degree that it is harming Democrat's chances against McCain. Here's the deal: Clinton should come down even harder on Obama. Do what the Republicans would do, and get it over with. Either Obama can handle it, or he can't. If he can't, then let's find out now. If he can, then he's obviously ready for the big game. Plus, I prefer that all the B.S. get vetted earlier rather than later. Wright - been there, done that! Next! Muslim smears - bring it on! Let's get it all out of the way, so that there's nothing leftover for an 'October surprise'. Any real Obama supporter who knows his/her candidate well, has no fear about a protracted primary or anything else. He's a great candidate: worldly, intelligent and articulate, insightful, and a great leader. 2-4 more months against Clinton is easy street compared to the next 8 years running the country with Republicans trying to trip you up at every turn. Bring it on HRC, bring it on!!!
April 11, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
great job, barry! always screwing yourself over before a primary! let me inform you now - ain't no speech gonna fix this oopsie.
April 12, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Arse Troll. You want experience.
Take a look at how Bill Clinton, a two term president, told such a pack of lies about Hillary Rambo Clinton's Tuzla Fairy Tale, that it even put the Queen of Liars to shame, and she had to call him and tell him to shut his lying mouth.
Hillary boasts about how having clung to that habitual liar has made her ready on day one. Ready on day one alright; to be as much of a shameless liar as Bimbo Bill!!!!!
April 11, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You should read the entire quote Matthew. Context means a great deal you know.
April 11, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
yawn. so tired of speeches.
April 12, 2008 3:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
You must have a child's attention span then. That's a sad commentary that you don't want to take something longer than a 30 second snippet and process it.
April 13, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You got it MW. But it seems that whatever Obama says just fly over our heads, just like his sweet talk and promises of whatever. They sound nice, then they must be OK. Thereby, he gets a pass every time.
The campaign oughta be longer to give people pause and time to hear what this guy has really been telling us.
It's also like, what business does he have to tell us to have a dialogue in his race speech in Philly when he just sat there for 20years and didn't do anything about Wright.
April 11, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Weaver is back from under his bridge scaring goats. As much as you like to test your Fox News talking points here, I'd like to remind you that the race is over and Hillary lost. And you're helping her lose her dignity too.
April 12, 2008 3:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
nah, troll. let's rub your hair for some good luck!
April 12, 2008 3:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd rather rub you the wrong way:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/obama-slams-critics-on-middle-class-comments/
April 12, 2008 3:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
let me get this straight, Obama responding to a question about why he is having a hard time getting the "white blue collar worker"behind his campaign and instead of going for an easy less thought provoking statement say perhaps "race"' he tries to explain the years of frustration people in these small town feel. for that he is called an elitist by HRC. Yet the other day at her very own fundraiser Elton John determined that the anti-Hillary sentiment in this race boils down to hating women. So HRC can call americans anti women but Obama Cannot point out a very true sentiment of alot of small towns in this country.
April 12, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he should have called them Bubbas.
April 11, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama, no one wants to hear your condescending, elitist bull. glad you are going to go down in flames in PA.
April 12, 2008 3:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
So Gen Tuzla and McCentury don't think we're bitter???
Why, according to the NyT 81% of us are mad as hell and not going to take ClintonBushville horseshit about Gods, Guns, Gays, Muslims, an 80 year old ex-pastor any more
Not this time
April 12, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer: Sen Specter sees an Obama win in PENNsylvania
April 11, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good, let's hope.
April 11, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't recommend that Clinton try to minimize people's disillusionment with the way things work nowadays in Washington.
I hope she keeps pushing this, it'll blow up in their faces so fast, they won't know what hit them.
She wasn't able to see the hunger for change in this country, and was caught by surprise by Obama's rise.
Where does she think that hunger came from?
April 11, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, give me a freakin' break. I don't need some politician to see my world with rose-colored glasses just to suit her campaign.
My life isn't half as bad as most in my state, but I live from paycheck to paycheck and I am BITTER about it sometimes! I cling to stuff I shouldn't. Barack Obama is ridiculously smart and insightful...and honest, and a lot of folks simply can't face it.
I'd like the government to GET A CLUE. Not just pat me on the back and tell me I am a good little soldier.
NOT THIS TIME!!!!!!
April 11, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
RIGHT ON!
YES WE CAN!
April 11, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Hillary, who was raised in the elite suburbs of Chicago, is calling Obama elitist for basically stating the premise of What's the Matter with Kansas? when Obama actually spent much of his childhood growing up in hardscrabble Kansas?
This is clearly a Rovian tactic of hitting your opponent on his strength and your weakness. Like AWOL Bush and Draft Dodger Cheney going after Kerry's military experience.
Please Pennsylvania, put an end to Rovian politics and send Hillary home.
April 11, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly! This is so idiotic it is baffling to me anyone can defend it. He's making a point about how people can lose hope, and indeed that it just how it happens. Obama dares to suggest that people might be hurting and have complex reactions and Clinton faults him because he fails to appreciate that they all live in little boxes and all look just the same? She wants to be the Democratic nominee?
April 11, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oooo shiny new kitchen sink
April 11, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remind me... what was it Senator Clinton said about Mississippi while campaigning in Iowa?
Let's face the facts, much of what troubles many of these small communities did slip through the Clinton administration as well as the various republican administrations. Living in rural America I would prefer a president that can see policies of the recent past have not been all that beneficial to the economies of these communities. It is like small state voters don't count etc. There seems to be nothing in Senator Obama's statement that indicates he is "looking down on them." It seemed to me he expressed concern that those claiming to support these low-income communities (often at the expense of 100 million dollar incomes) often do nothing for these communities.
Having said that Senator Obama could have chosen a better word than bitter – Although Webster’s definition of bitter is not so far from the mark:
2: marked by intensity or severity: a: accompanied by severe pain or suffering b: being relentlessly determined : vehement c: exhibiting intense animosity d (1): harshly reproachful (2): marked by cynicism and rancor e: intensely unpleasant especially in coldness or rawness
April 11, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure the PA voters are going straight to their dictionaries to look up "bitter."
April 13, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
this story has generated such amazing, misguided reactions from hundreds over at politico. i'm sure the same will happen here. bring on the comments of elitism, the comments of racism, the comments of arrogance. obama's words had nothing of that in them. he was explaining, in too broad of strokes to be sure, his feelings as to why people who have been failed by the system would find solace in the things that are dear, i.e independence (guns) and relgion; or frustration/outrage with the propped up reasons behind such social/economic failures, i.e. immigrant or overseas labor.
all you narrowminded bastards loving this moment for its pounce-potential...i embrace my executive right to pre-emptive strike and say, relax...and apply some intellectual honesty for a change.
April 11, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
pkoso, I just scanned 40-or-so posts and maybe 5 of them were anti-Obama. A lot were anti-Ben Smith for posting Obama's remarks at all and/or highlighting what's supposed to be offensive, meaning they didn't find what he said offensive at all. By far the majority of posters found Obama's comments acute.
If I'm not mistaken, this may be the straw that break's Clinton's back in Penn. Mind you, I'm not comparing Clinton to a camel. Camel's get bitter when they face hard times.
April 11, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, you just don't get it. People who SAY STUFF LIKE THIS only can do so because they look DOWN on others.
Your mind does not even think of stuff like this unless you look down on them.
April 11, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
left, how would you know?
April 11, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
This just in. Pennsylvania votes enthusiastic over the current state of the economy. One voter was heard to proclaim "Heck of a job Bushy. Thanks a lot".
Seizing on the apparent voter sentiment, McClain joyfully proclaimed "A ha. Told ya so. Four more years not looking so bad now. Whose da man".
Hillary Clinton was a bit more subdued stating "I'll have to consult the micro trend analysis first before I make further comments.
Obama's only reply to questions on the subject was "What da f@#%. Are these people crazy?"
April 11, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what Obama said was untrue, or demeaning to the people pf Pennsylvania how?
But dutifully stenographed Greg, as always, with enough practice you might become a fax machine.
April 11, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
There goes the joe six pack and sportsman vote.
Even worse, he said this at a fundraiser put on by billionaires.
http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row/
Ouch.
April 11, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean the Bubba vote?
April 11, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, the entire state of Pennsylvania.
April 13, 2008 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well isn't that an interesting soundbite from Obama. Laying low and hoping no one heard those remarks is a political loser for him. But if he ups the ante and turns it into an opportunity for debate, we might finally have a discussion on our hands. For years Republicans have used nonsense issues (guns and religion) to buttress their pro-aristocracy agenda. Giving the topic some daylight would be an excellent way to confront the stupid identity-based reasons on which people cast their votes.
If Obama's gonna light the fire cracker, he'd better be ready for the explosion. Seize the opportunity Barack.
April 11, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
After hearing the entire audio, it's clear that Obama was not insulting rural communities in the midwest. The truth is that there is bitterness throughout those areas, and a lot of it is due to the policies of the Bush-Clinton-Bush years.
The bases are loaded, and Obama can hit this one out of the park. McCain and Hillary set it up perfectly. The pitch is soft.
April 11, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Consider this that Grand Slam you were talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/
April 11, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Hillary, who was raised in the elite suburbs of Chicago, is calling Obama elitist for basically stating the premise of What's the Matter with Kansas? when Obama actually spent much of his childhood growing up in hardscrabble Kansas?
This is clearly a Rovian tactic of hitting your opponent on his strength and your weakness. Like AWOL Bush and Draft Dodger Cheney going after Kerry's military experience.
Please Pennsylvania, put an end to Rovian politics and send Hillary home.
April 11, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Suggested Obama response: "Senator Clinton and her husband should respect the American voters by telling the truth. The two of them come up with a new story about Bosnia every day. Why just yesterday, President Clinton said that Senator Clinton was pilloried for a remark she made at 11 p.m when she was tired. However, the remarks were prepared remarks, they were made at 11 a.m., and they were the third time similar words were used. If the Clinton's wish to show respect for American people, they should try telling the truth."
clinton's comments are such B.S. Do you mean to tell me that some people aren't bitter, that alienated people don't scapegoat? Obama has spoken in front of several audiences telling them not to scapegoat immigrants for job losses. He's worked with people who have been displaced by job losses and no doubt he's seen some bitterness on their part and has appealed to their better angels. These are people that those worth over $100 million rarely see.
I get so depressed at the thought of a Clinton presidency. I sure hope Obama gets them off the scene.
April 11, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had lunch today with a half dozen other women at work. One in her fifties like me, one about 40 and 4 in their twenties. We happen to all support Obama. The young ones are very downhearted. They are convinced that McCain is going to win now because of Hillary's tactics. One just kept repeating over and over how worthless the Democrats are and how stupid to defeat themselves.
Count me bitter at the willingness of the Clintons to destroy the future of the Democratic Party with their tactics. We have the first chance in decades to really pull new voters into the party and we're losing it.
April 11, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
It shows condescension, that he totally understands their problem? Really?
LOLOLOLOL!!!
Anyone ask any of the people he was ostensibly talking about if they feel condescended to?
It might be instructive.
April 11, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I asked my family who has lived in Western PA for their whole lives...the eldest being 90 years old....and they say OBAMA NAILED IT PERFECTLY.
April 11, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't have to ask them. Look at the video from the Clinton response where she's saying that no, no, people in Pennsylvania aren't bitter over the crap that's been piled on them. They're strong and happy!
You have at least four people right behind her, in the background shot at her rally shaking their heads no at her.
April 12, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love it. We all know what Obama said to be true. C'mon, you Hillary people know it too. Yet Democratic pols have regurgitated patronizing pablum so as to not offend voters who are motivated solely by bullshit issues, like, guns and religion. If Obama's going to make comments like this, I hope he has the cajones to start a real discussion. Bring. It. On.
April 11, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I expect that if Obama's campaign decides he needs to speak to this he will and it will be his usual sensitive and honest answer.
I really don't think we need to worry about McCain winning in November as long as we all just look at it this way: losing is not an option.
Don't mope - make it happen.
April 11, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, he can kiss Penn goodbye.
The media is running this between the non stop coverage on President Clinton. It showed who will be in charge. Yes Mam.
I am reading the media bias is backfiring finally. The American people are sick of it like I am.
This will get the ball rolling on more Obama stories.
April 11, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is the Democratic Party kissing Hillary goodbye today ?
See her death watch for the answer oh, lifefulicious one:
http://www.slate.com/id/2188742/
April 11, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, are any actual Pennsylvanians unhappy with the remarks?
So far, the only people I see crying about Obama's "elitism" with these comments are the elites.
April 11, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a native of central PA (currently living in paradise). I know the comments won't play well, but thats only the case if all people hear are McCain's and Clinton's pronouncements. If Obama doesn't allow those two to hog the rhetorical spotlight, he can make a very convincing argument that the Republican pro-aristocracy agenda has been built on taking advantage of people's (irrational) attachment to nonsense issues like guns and religion.
April 11, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Obama didn't grow up in Kansas. He grew up in Hawaii and, for several years, Indonesia.
It was his mom who spent a fair bit of her time growing up in Kansas, though they really moved around a lot.
Not that this is particularly relevant to the story, but facts is facts :)
April 11, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only Americans Clinton even recognizes are American corporations. At least Obama stops to ask the flesh and blood humaform biped-type Americans for money.
April 11, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
LOL
April 11, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
what's the phrase that's used.
"Mountain out of a mow hill"
ah that's it. That's what this is.
Despirate times, cause for despirate measure.
I think it's time someone other than the media point out a candidate's despiration.
April 11, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mole hill. Mountain out of a mole hill.
April 11, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
We say "mole hill" (as in the mounds of earth produced by moles digging under the earth) in my neck of the woods, for whatever that is worth.
April 11, 2008 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's "mountain out of a mole hill."
Moles dig up your yard and leave small mounds. If you, er, exaggerate something to the nth degree (sniper fire in Tuzla, for example) one can be said to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
"Much ado about nothing," is also apt.
April 11, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to cut and run to the beach again.
Too much pressure.
He just lost Penn.
April 11, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Penn is still there, despite rumors of him being fired. Hill is losing the unions, and PA is almost gone as well.
April 11, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The pressure is your bubble bursting:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/10/142553/211/935/493329
April 11, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's nothing short of breathtaking is the Clintonian (Rovian) penchant for parsing one or two words or a short phrase out of context and still being condescending and elitist enough to think that anyone listening doesn't have the intelligence to see through the ruse.
"...small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them".
Then again, one can understand their wimpering response, after all they're part of that problem too.
BTW - gotalife - "Clinton leads again on crime." Absolutely priceless.
April 11, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not priceless.
It will cost $4 billion to pay for 100,000 more officers and tools to fight the murder rise in big cities.
Crime gets worse in a recession and it looks like the economy will get worse too.
So, she is showing remarkable leadership, once again.
April 11, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Crime. Did you say crime? You must be talking about corporate crime like Hillary's Wal-Mart love:
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20080409_the_wal_mart_videos/
April 11, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given that I so rarely agree with you, dear Gotalife, I thought that I would take this moment to say that I really did admire the leadership that Sen Clinton showed today on the subject of crime. I live in a rather less than ideal neighborhood in a major American city (one of those cities that, unlike Chicago or New York, never saw the tremendous drop in crime that came to some in the early 1990s). Crime is a very real issue to me and Sen Clinton's proposal sounded like a good start to my ears. I tip my hat to her for broaching the subject, given that, immigration crimes excepted, street crime has gotten rather little attention so far this season.
April 11, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
This one isn't going away, unfortunately. It's manna from heaven for Clinton. I just hope there is no audio or video. It was a gaffe, plain and simple. He's made shockingly few gaffes in this campaign, but this qualifies. And since it's Obama, and there haven't been many misses, the media is going to skewer him for it.
Unforced error. It happens and is another danger of this never-ending primary.
April 11, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is audio, and it explains it pretty well. This WILL blow up in Clinton and McCain's face it they keep pushing it.
I'm torn about how long he should let them run with it before he comes out and smacks them over the head with a speech though. Tomorrow morning might be too early, they need time to really bite. Maybe Sunday afternoon/evening...
April 11, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
What does it explain?
April 11, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
When telling the goddamn truth is a "gaffe" then this country is fucked.
April 11, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haha, couldn't have put it better. Yeah, people all over the country and feeling the crunch from rising food prices and gas prices and their homes are being foreclosed on, so yeah, they are definitely upbeat, I see the whistling their way all the way down to the Salvation Army.
No shit people are bitter, and no shit the conservatives exploit xenophobia as a scapegoat so they can keep screwing them over while screwing over immigrants at the same time.
Hillary is full of shit, she is completely out of touch with what is going on in this country, and she proves it yet again. And of course she will jump on ANYTHING to get the story line off her and Bill's repeated lies, or his business deals and her conflicts of interest and refusal to get rid of Penn.
April 11, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
YOu said it. Thank you!
April 11, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said, Tena!
April 11, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this was a dumb thing to say. Obama's normally pretty good at avoiding things like this.
Fortunately, he's also good at pivoting off of them.
April 11, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
What was dumb about Obama's statement?
People are angry and bitter? Telling a bunch of insulted Bay area people that out in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio, people are bitter because they have been left behind by the government?
I don't see the gaffe.
April 11, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was that bit about how they "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment."
It is true, I think. But it's very blunt, and very hard. It offends certain sensibilities, including state pride.
I object not to what Obama said but how he said it, and I only object because of the damage it could do.
April 11, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
He is good at pivoting, you're right.
April 11, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, he can pivot brilliantly. But he's also good at standing his ground... like the Pakistan thing, or talking to dictators. He doesn't show weakness and back down. What he said was accurate - though it could've been said better. People ARE bitter; for decades politicians have done their song and dance in small-town America, making false promises and using hot-button issues as a decoy... and in the end the the jobs still go away. Obama is attempting to demonstrate that he's not the same kind of politician, and part of that has to do with telling it like it is.
If this was a gaffe, then it was in style, not substance. This is an opportunity: I believe Obama can easily rephrase and UNDERSCORE his point in a way that resonates powerfully with voters, and at the same time shows the shallowness of McCain and Clinton's attacks. I'm looking forward to seeing how O responds to this over the next day or two.
April 11, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
As if on cue... he's doing EXACTLY as I predicted:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/188566.php
Obama doesn't back down.
Obama stands his ground.
Leadership in action.
April 12, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
"As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children."
Sorry and you can ban me for this, but this sound Bush-esque to me.
The whole idea of "Gosh, I just lost my job and my house is about to be foreclosed on, but at least we have each other" perception is so off the mark.
Kudos to Obama for coming out and saying that people pissed.
April 11, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check out the full quote on thefield.com. It's a powerful statement and needs no defense. Hillary lunged at another shadow.
April 11, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but I just dont see what there is to these comments that is getting people so riled up. It just seems like an observation.
April 11, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you - you are sane, sir. :)
April 11, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do not understand how people can claim with a straight face that it is dumb for a candidate or any politician to tell the truth in a nuanced way.
Has everyone gotten so used to truthiness and Karl Rove that you've all forgotten what it means when someone talks like an adult to you as if you are an adult?
My god.
April 11, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a former resident of a small Western PA town, with all of my family still there, I can safely say that OBAMA IS 100% RIGHT.
If that's all that Hillary and McCain have, they're truly pathetic. (And only increases the bitterness.) They'll see.
April 11, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Clinton sees a state of people without work, and finds them to be like elves--hard-working and happy.
Give me a break. People's jobs are sent overseas and they're bitter, and they should be. Hillary is being pretty condescending to the people she's attempting to defend here.
April 11, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's "desperate" you mofo. Don't you watch Desperate Housewives? ;-P
From his 20-year embrace of Wright's anti-America, to his disgust at those Americans who wear the flag pin and put their hands over their heart at the Pledge of Allegiance, this is more proof that Barry is just your orange juice-sipping, latte-drinking Rezko-hugger. Say "Bye bye Pennsylvania," Barry.
See Barry's big ears? They're made of tin.
April 11, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I used to go by the nickname version of my real name, when I was a kid and had no control over what people called me. When I grew up, I decided I like the proper name better. People like you, who insist on calling someone by another name when they know it's incorrect, are annoying. You think you're being cute, but you're just being a jerk. Well, actually, you know you're being a jerk, and you think that that is cute.
(I bet you would have reveled in calling Muhammad Ali Cassius Clay, back in the day.)
April 11, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank goodness. I knew I liked Obama. But now that I know he sips OJ and drinks lattes, I'm won over. Where's my credit card... I gotta send $25!!! Better make that $30... a juice and latte on me!
April 11, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and thank you Greg, for posting the quote in context.
April 11, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Hillary now running for Panderer in Chief? What a joke!
"What . . . my opponent said that you all have become bitter from years of being ignored and allowed to fall through the cracks? Well no sir, not me . . . I love you all like my family; YOU are MY KIND OF PEOPLE!!
Oh . . . and next time some major piece of legislation dealing with your ability to get a fresh start in life (read: Bankruptcy Bill) comes up for a vote, I'll really try to make the vote then . . . I swear."
I for one am becoming more and more annoyed by what appear to be almost daily promises from the Clinton campaign about all the programs she proposes. She's become like the charicature of the sleazy policitian promising this program or that simply to satisfy the particular crowd she happens to be surrounded by at the time.
And Greg . . . this "story" deserves to be smothered. It is, as usual, another non-story pushed by the Clinton campaign to sway or convince the "low information voter." Enough already.
April 11, 2008 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "bitter" remark can play out either way. Those of us sitting at our keyboards just do not know how the Pennsylvanians will receive this (unless you happen to be one yourself). Clinton is a Pennsylvanian, so maybe she has an insight into it. I can't blame her for playing this card for all she thinks its worth. However, she too is taking a chance of implying that there are no real problems, and therefore no need for bitterness.
My understanding is that bitterness is the feeling that one has not gotten a fair shake, even though one has tried. So it is not too far-fetched to think that many people who have been put out of work feel bitter, esp. if those jobs went overseas. So Obama may in fact not only have spoken the truth, but touched a nerve. Some may not even have realized they were bitter until reminded by Obama.
On the other hand, if Obama thinks he gaffed, all he has to do is explain himself. He just should not say since he is 46 and gets tired after a lot of campaigning, he misspoke. (Bill's explanation for Hillary's Bosnia gaffe is that she is over 60 and tired from campaigning.)
These gaffes by all the candidates are the direct consequence of our idiotic was of picking presidents by forcing them to campaign for nearly two years without letup. Fatigue does set in and the gaffes come. It happens to all of them. Of the three, Obama is the youngest and has the most stamina. Revealingly, he also has had the fewest gaffes.
April 11, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you really buying that she's a Pennsylvanian now?
I wonder how much of a Pennsylvanian she's seen as when she goes to NY to have a $2.5m fundraiser with $2,300 seats and Elton John playing for her.
April 11, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton has family roots in Scranton I believe. Her relatives still live there.
April 11, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no desire to debate about what it means to be "Pennsylvanian," but The Times has this video report:
http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=f081799cf18c3949c0a6acb66fa27b7c7d096879
April 11, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just to clarify:
She's definitely not a Pennsylvanian. She was born and raised in Illinois, went to college in Mass. and law school in Connecticut and then went to Arkansas.
Speaking as a Pennsylvanian who's temporarily in Connecticut, I think people will interpret these remarks through whatever lens they are already viewing the primary. I really think that the majority of people have made up their minds or are at least leaning in one direction or the other, and I doubt that this will change the minds of many.
April 11, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, I haven't heard ANYONE accuse her of being a New Yorker . . .
April 11, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
He speaks the truth. That's coming from a former resident of Western PA whose family lives in one of those forgotten towns and whose residents feel exactly the way he describes.
SORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLES, PEOPLE. THE TRUTH WINS.
April 11, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, why she lost my respect and my vote. She is just lower than life these days.
April 11, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
From her lies about Tuzla, to her 20 years of lies about Bill, to her lies about Mark Penn being gone from her campaign, Hillary can wave bye bye to winning Pennsylvania in a big way.
Even Rendell was calling on her to fire Penn for real. The unions are way pissed and those little towns used have union workers in them, I imagine.
April 11, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Many of us have already been discussing this for a while on TPM at Obama's Hate and Racism Now Targets Pennsylvania.
I for one will not give Obama a pass on this. As noted, Clinton and McCain have already been on him over this. This will last beyond Friday night's news black hole. For myself, I'll highlight it prominantly on my Web sites and add this to his other unapologetic comments, such as 'typical White persons.'
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 11, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
You do realize that, when Obama will be sworn in, you're going to be in the whole with the neocons blasting the Democratic president and trying to fling lies at him, right? Maybe you'll have your own radio show and get to guest on FOX if you do well. Keep your fingers crossed.
April 11, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's because you, for one, are an a##hole.
You would rather McCain win so you could feel vindicated than a progressive candidate you stupid old man. Shouldn't you be out protesting Absolute Vodka right now? I loathe you race-baiting, fear mongering, isolationists and your "independent" indignation.
You sound like a tiny, petty man (see avatar) and I am sorry for your "fellow" Hillary supporters that they have to share the stage with the likes of you.
There, I fed him. Sorry.
April 11, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
You sound bitter.
April 13, 2008 12:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, put it on your web site, Weaver. THAT'LL sure get the word out. I bet your mom will be outraged.
April 11, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
In other news, Matthew Weaver's hate and racism still targets Obama.
April 12, 2008 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're typically nutty, Matthew Weaver.
www.matthewweaverisoncrack.com
April 12, 2008 3:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOVE the standard sangry picture of Obama that is run...yet again from this site, for this piece.
Obama mad!
Obama smash!
yet also Obamambi worried :(
Obamambi might cwy :*(
I guess it's now the Obama Avatar Of Badness.
Good job! I really need to see my stories reduced to an easily related system where I can judge it's content based on the picture I see with it. I give it 4 Hello Kitty's of goodness.
Content? Oh that. I'm sure the Friday night black hole will smother that as well.
April 11, 2008 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Christ, she's really grasping at straws now, isn't she? It's somehow "elitist" to empathize with people and understand why they might feel some bitterness?
You folks who think this is going to actually win votes for her...what the hell are you smoking/snorting? You think PA Joe Sixpack is going to vote Hillary just because Obama stated a few facts about life in his neck of the woods and made some accurate inferences about how he feels about it?
If you're that far off the page, you might as well vote for McCain. I hear he's got a nice war in Iran he'll sell ya...
April 11, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.
Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.
April 11, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last week it was: Obama is a Friend of Dorothy's cause he bowls like a girl.
April 11, 2008 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
The irony of this is that, in pitching this line of hooey, Sen Clinton is looking down on her fellow Americans, far, far more cynically than is her opponent. We all know that what Sen Obama said is true, but she is trying to gin up a bunch of faux-outrage over the remark, urging her audience to respond to his words as if they were children; that is a species of looking down on her audience. Sen Obama is paying his listeners the compliment of assuming that they prefer honesty to posturing and bull$#!*; this is the precise opposite of looking down on his listeners.
April 11, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a bunch of condescending crap from Senator Clinton. Obama speaks truthfully about what hard times can do to people, and Senator Clinton is interested only in desperately trying to seize ANYTHING that might make her sound like something she's not--a politician who gives a genuine damn about anything but her own political prospects. I've lost so much respect for her over the course of the past three months. Passionate Obama supporter that I am, I'll still vote for her in the unlikely event that she finds a way to take the nomination...but phony bluster like this makes it damned hard.
April 11, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
More Obama-bashing media memes
They SCOUR every word, utterance.
In this case, that Mayhill Fowler's rather positive article is SCOURED for some sort of weapon.
Yesterday Fox was going after him because they were arranging people for a photo shoot and wanted more white people in it. Standard stuff. But a "reporter overheard this" and then > Politico > FoxNews > RushLimbaugh .....
Obama must be PERFECT or he is hammered. McCain/Hillary just have to not lie all that much, must limit the racial smears to an acceptable level.
eg. Someone introducing McCain this week called Obama "Tiger woods" and McCain gave him a big hug! Politico, FoxNews, ABC, CNN everyone ignored it.
April 11, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Latest manufactured anti-Obama smear.
Good job Greg.
You and CNN, ABC, Fox and Rush are working hard to keep the GOP in power.
April 11, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg DeLassus - you're so right. That's just how the Bush Republicans have treated us all these years. O, what's that - HIllary is agreeing with McCain again?
Uh huh - I have decided that it's true: McCain-Clinton '08.
I don't want another Republican president thank you and Hillary is acting just like the Republicans.
To hell with that. I want a Democrat.
April 11, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the link the RuralVotes Clinton to Rural Pennsylvanians: You Can be Victims, Too!
and Obama's actual comments (courtesy of "jakester": "OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to ‘white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy.’ That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.
Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.
But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is so we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide healthcare for every American.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.
The comments are also at HuffPo with audio.
April 11, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama sticks his foot in his mouth and the reaction of the fascists here, yes, i mean that assidiously...is that hillary sucks.
so because they are bitter these people turn to religion and guns? i think they have turned to religion and guns during good times and bad
a rookie error, an unforced error by obama that will not resonate well with those church going gun owning hillbillies rubes
obama reeks of arrogance, most of his supporters here ooze arrogance and haughty dismissals of anything not laudatory to the senator from illinois
give it a break, when obama falls on a banana peel you all want to look away when anyone else does it you want to examine it in frame by frame evaluation
obama just blew penn, he did insult people, he lumped religion in with hating of immigrants
but, i guess given his church, its only natural that hate comes to his mind
April 11, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
blackflag. Perfect handle for a comment that full of hate.
April 11, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I realize I may have to vote for Hillary Clinton in the Fall, and so I try to frame some good opinions of her, and sometimes I have been able to. But then she'll pull me back with something like this. It's just so low-down.
April 11, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry, it's mutual.
April 13, 2008 12:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it customary for wingnuts to troll TPM on Friday evenings?
April 11, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they cover this like the girlie-man bowler "story", I'd love to hear Obama make a succinct statement that it's far more condescending to people to take a comment out of context and then tell everyone what they should think about it, all while assuming that they're too dumb to draw their own conclusions. What's worse is the inference in the Clinton campaign's statement that people in economically ravaged communities have no reason to feel betrayed by a government that has neglected them and that scapegoating or blaming their fellow citizens for their frustrations is the appropriate means for solving their problems.
Because really, that's pretty much what the Clinton campaign said.
April 11, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
True to Republican form, she actually projected onto him what she was doing - she was terribly condescending in every one of her statements. All that happy little unemployed people shit - reminded me of Bar Bush telling the refugees in Houston they'd never had it better.
April 11, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here are a few remarks I culled from politico.com by folks who live in Central PA. I did not find any folks from that area who dissed Obama for saying what he did. However, in the main the remarks were pretty negative against Obama, many quite vicious.
April 11, 2008 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the insult:
These folks have been gun loving and religious all their lives. He interprets this as a response to economic downturns, a crutch.
These people will not look kindly on someone who makes an amateurish attempt at saying what they hold dear depends on their economic status.
What do elitists turn too when things go wrong , Barack? Lattes?
April 11, 2008 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess in Hillary's twisted mind, folks are happy about getting fucked in the azz by trade deals like NAFTA. In fact her crew has another trade deal they're just itching to pass -- Columbia.
Damn right folks are bitter, dumb motherfucka!
April 11, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Suggested Obama response: "Senator Clinton and her husband should respect the American voters by telling the truth. The two of them come up with a new story about Bosnia every day. Why just yesterday, President Clinton said that Senator Clinton was pilloried for a remark she made at 11 p.m when she was tired. However, the remarks were prepared remarks, they were made at 11 a.m., and they were the third time similar words were used. If the Clinton's wish to show respect for American people, they should try telling the truth."
I disagree, he shouldn't broaden the focus or bring Bosnia into it, he should focus it sharper because he's right and has an opportunity to turn the criticism over this on it's head.
April 11, 2008 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
from swimming freestyle:
"Barack Obama is a remarkably eloquent man and turning into a remarkably capable politician. But if the Senator believes it's smart to insult voters from a state critical to your success, he's hit one of the worst false notes yet in his campaign.
Yeah, I know what his campaign said, and that may have been what he meant. But a sophisticated candidate doesn't refer to voters in language that can be construed as derogatory or insulting. Obama asserted Pennsylvania voters are bitter and so simple and lacking in maturity and intelligence that they address their frustration by clinging to primitive and reactionary crutches rather than addressing their problems in constructive ways.
It's divisive. And not the way to attract the voters you need most."
http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com
April 11, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like the Bubba vote? Or the rebel flag vote?
Double standard.
April 11, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was at that event last Sunday in SF. Like others I talked to, I thought he gave a great talk, and was at the very top of his very considerable game. Turns out it made all sorts of news was made -- Obama's point that he doesn't think he needs to bend over backwards to pick a "foreign policy" veep; the "revelation" that he'd visited Pakistan while in college; and now this. Partly this is that Mayhill reporter person from Huffington post was there and characterized his talk in breathless terms; don't know if the recording was with candidate's permission or not. But it was a good, thoughtful talk. And its dissention
Our bullshit 24/7 acontextual snippet-ry punishes candidates for departing from the blandest of bromides.
April 11, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
A good, pertinent comment. What I find frustrating is that for more than 25 years now Republicans have been beating up on Democrats with precisely this kind of faux outrage about everything from guns and religion to gay marriage and illegal immigrants, as the means to avoid dealing substantively with real issues -- like jobs -- that Republicans can't win on with low-income and middle-class electorates. Considerable effort has gone into analyzing and addressing this problem for the Democratic Party as a whole. To see Hillary Clinton resorting to the basest, most disingenuous of Republican tactics is . . . demoralizing, at the very least. And then the Democratic Party expects me to vote for such a person in November if she is the nominee? As Bugs Bunny used to say, how jejune.
April 11, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is a moron...What a low life idiot she has become. YUK!
April 11, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the Dear Leader shoots off his mouth, saying something absolutely amateurish and stupid - and you're calling Clinton names....
Chumps.
April 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since when did it become Taboo to talk about the Guns, God & Gays crowd? Oh. When a black dude is doing it.
April 11, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
When you're trying to get their vote.
April 11, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is it that whenever the Dear Leader does something stupid, and gets called on it, you chumps bring out the race thing? Is your side really that weak?
April 12, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could these words hurt Obama politically - maybe.
Are they true? absolutely.
I was born and raised in Western PA - everything Obama said is on the money and I doubt if PA residents would disagree. They would say it themselves.
They DO say it themselves, whenever I go home. Maybe they'll think Obama's incredibly insightful and distrust Hillary because it's so obvious that she's pandering to them.
After all, just because they're bitter, doesn't mean they're stupid.
April 11, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you haven't seen Obama's response, you should:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/11/212019/438/254/494026
Watch the reaction from the audience in particular. Finally, a candidate who doesn't condescend to Americans.
April 11, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I was born in Western PA also.
I can tell you with certainty that people were very religious (and some loved their guns) long before there were job losses. How dare he say they've turned to religion because times have been tough. Insulting.
I'm sure the voters in PA there will be lining up for him after knowing they have been psychoanalyzed by a Harvard educated latte sipper, especially in front of San Fran billionaires.
April 11, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're a liar. If you spent any time at all in Western PA, you would understand that he's right on.
April 11, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
2 Questions:
1) When you see someone drinking a latte, does it just burn you up? What about when you're in line at Starbucks and the person in front of you order it, do you tremble?
2) You do realize Harvard is a good school and that going to a good school is a good thing, right? In a horrible world in which you had children, would you congratulate them for getting into such a school, or laugh at them and dump your (name your drink here) on their heads?
April 11, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
What would had happen had it been Clinton who said this, would all of you obamabots be writing all this garbage? Hell no, you people would be bashing Clinton, not that you need a reason to but it might just be another reason to bash her. Say hi to your god Chris Matthews and Olberman for me.
April 11, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, we're too busy with all the outright lies and deceptions, such as Bosnia, her assertion that she opposed the war before Obama, Columbiagate...... etc.
April 12, 2008 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's one of the most honest thing I heard from a politician in a long long time, though blunt I must admit.
In fact it speaks a lot less about small towns and lot more about the government
But again, as I just saw on the feature from David Brancaccio on PBS- small town low income Americans (less informed voters) are now used vote against their own self-interest.
Republicans have been using the same one liner horse race B.S. for years now.
Hillary is becoming a serious predatory politician.
April 11, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is not only arrogant but also stupid!
Did he really think the the people of Pennsylvania would let him get away with it?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...enophobia.html
Quote:
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
April 11, 2008 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama made these remarks in Indiana today:
"When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there
is anger and there is bitterness. And what's worse is when people are
expressing their anger then politicians try to say what are you angry
about? This just happened - I want to make a point here today.
"I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody
asked how're you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What's going on
there? We hear that's its hard for some working class people to get
behind you're campaign. I said, "Well look, they're frustrated and for
good reason. Because for the last 25 years they've seen jobs shipped
overseas. They've seen their economies collapse. They have lost their
jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.
"And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we're going to make your community better. We're going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they're bitter. Of course they're frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up- they don't vote on economic issues because they don't expect anybody's going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement-- so, here's what rich. Senator Clinton says 'No, I don't think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack's being condescending.' John McCain says, 'Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he's obviously out of touch with people.'
"Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain--it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he's saying I'm out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I'm out of touch? No, I'm in touch. I know exactly what's going on. I know what's going on in Pennsylvania. I know what's going on in Indiana. I know what's going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They're angry and they're frustrated and they're bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that's why I'm running for President of the United States of America."
April 11, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a hell of a response. Aces. Seriously. Instead of running from it, expand it. It's not just Penn, it's all over. We're all bitter. The country going downhill quick. It's so nice to hear someone get serious.
April 11, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
They vote for people they trust. None of them will trust him now.
It's over. Totally unelectable.
April 11, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dream on.
April 11, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, glad that's settled.
April 11, 2008 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You just can't "un-say" what has been said. No amount of explanation can help him out of this.
As Molly Ivins used to say - Know the first rule of holes----"when in one, stop digging."
April 11, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama defends himself perfectly in the silly season of politics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow
April 11, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's so wrong with what Obama said--it's the goddamn truth! A very wise man wrote a rather famous song 26 years ago which opens with the lines:
"Born down in a dead man's town
First kick I took was when I hit the ground
Been like a dog that's been beat too much
'Til you spend half your life just covering up."
That was 26 years ago and what's changed since then?
Once again, Obama is exactly right about something. Can we as Americans not handle the truth anymore? God help us!
April 11, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jimmylutherking:
You say: "You're a liar. If you spent any time at all in Western PA, you would understand that he's right on."
I spent 21 years in Western PA. I grew up there. I know western PA way better than you do. So don't call me a liar. You just don't like what I say.
There is an element of truth in saying the people there are bitter. There have been job losses. They don't trust government in some ways. Most people are religious there, and love their hunting.
On the other hand, saying that people turn to religion and gun loving as a crutch because times have been hard, is stupid and insulting. They hold these thing dear in good times and bad.
It really shows that Obama has no understanding of them at all.
April 11, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you one of those people? Does his comment offend you, personally, as a person from PA?
Or is this just that whole, the Republicans will use that against him in november thing...
Because you sound pretty upset about it, which leads me to believe he hurt your feelings. In fact, you sound downright bitter.
April 11, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
He clarified what he was talking about. And you can see it in the original quote if you read more than a paragraph.
He's talking about embracing guns and right to religion as the ONLY thing they can expect from the government, and thus, the ONLY thing to base their vote on, because nothing else is ever delivered on.
The people there are smarter than you credit them for being. And Obama will make it clear what he's saying. His honesty is his best asset.
April 11, 2008 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was his point. They go for the things that give them security....family, guns, religion....BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL ITS EVER GOING TO COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
You wanna challenge me on knowing Western PA? Try it. My people have been there forever and still are.
April 12, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
In Arthur Miller's Death of a Salesman, the oldest son Biff says,
"Nobody every told the truth for one minute in this house." The play's tragedy is the Lomans' need to live in illusion to compensate for the failure of their lives brought on through no fault of their own but rather the corporate world's callousness toward them.
Obama dared to tell the truth and he's getting punished for it. Clinton's smarmy comment that she sees the people of PA as "resilient and optimistic" fits well with her enabler personality -- like Linda Loman's enabling of Willy's illusions because that's all he has.
The real resilience of the people of PA IN and W.VA., I hope, will be that they can hear the truth Obama is speaking, can hear that what he says comes out of the deepest empathy for their need for a politician to speak the truth to them in lieu of the slick politician's need to merely pander superficially. You can't solve a problem in people's lives unless you can name it.
April 11, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not smart Senator Obama. Gotta watch out for the BITTER ordinary whitefolks. God Bless Revered Wright while I'm at it and Louie FaraCAN. For the sake of it add Mrs. Obama who is now proud to be American. Of course Senator you forgot your vacation in Pakistan in the 80's in 2 books. Of course you are so honest it must just slipped your mind, I mean three weeks in Pakistan...
Another Obama F-up:
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Obama the Empty Suit.
April 11, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama an empty suit?
Try this on for size instead:
Marginal Player, empty rhetoric.
Yeah, I got it for you at the Men's Warehouse; it's a fit, I guarantee it.
April 12, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Crazy ice cream head guy has returned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
April 12, 2008 3:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thriving on your hate again, eh, Marginal Player? That's all you have to offer. ALL you have to offer. Marginal Player the Hatemonger. You're not even worthy of the candidate you support--as much contempt as I've developed for her in the past 3 months, she still deserves better than you. Don't worry, this isn't even 1/10th the "issue" that Rev. Wright was...how well I remember your predictions of doom for Senator Obama after that "problem" arose. Why don't you go play at Free Republic? They love folks like you over there.
Obama hit back hard tonight in Terre Haute:
Obama Slams Critics on Middle-Class Comments
By Jeff Zeleny
TERRE HAUTE, Ind. – Senator Barack Obama forcefully criticized his rivals here Friday evening for suggesting he was out-of-touch with the American middle-class, after Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and John McCain accused Mr. Obama of belittling voters by calling them “bitter.”
A fresh controversy over electability emerged from comments Mr. Obama had made at a private fundraiser in California on Sunday. Mr. Obama outlined challenges facing his presidential candidacy in the upcoming primaries of Pennsylvania and Indiana, particularly winning over white working-class voters who have fallen through the cracks of the last two presidential administrations.
“So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” Mr. Obama said, according to a transcript that appeared Friday on the Hufington Post Web site.
The remarks touched off a torrent of criticism from Mrs. Clinton, Mr. McCain and a string of Republican activists and party officials, all of whom accused Mr. Obama of elitism and belittling the working class. At a rally here Friday evening, Mr. Obama drawing a standing ovation in a crowded gymnasium as he rebutted those charges and painted both of his rivals as entrenched Washington insiders.
“No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania, I know what’s going on in Indiana, I know what’s going on in Illinois,” Mr. Obama said, his voice rising. “People are fed up, they’re angry, they’re frustrated, they’re bitter and they want to see a change in Washington. That’s why I’m running for president of the United States of America.”
With 10 contests remaining in the Democratic presidential primary, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton are engaged in a vigorous dispute over which candidate could be the party’s strongest nominee against Mr. McCain. The back-and-forth on Friday – with all three candidates involved – underscored the curious dynamic at this late stage in the nominating fight.
In Pennsylvania on Friday afternoon, Mrs. Clinton was first to seize upon the comment Mr. Obama made at the California fundraiser. Both Democrats are embroiled in a vigorous battle for the Pennsylvania primary on April 22.
“It’s being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that’s not my experience,” Mrs. Clinton told an audience at Drexel University. “Pennsylvanians don’t need a president who looks down on them, they need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, your families.”
After making her remarks before a crowd of voters, aides to Mrs. Clinton issued several statements criticizing Mr. Obama, including ones that contained criticism from Republicans. Soon, the McCain campaign also weighed in with criticism of Mr. Obama’s remarks from the California fundraiser.
“It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking,” said Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain. “It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans.”
While the Obama campaign initially dismissed the criticism in a short written statement from its Chicago headquarters, his advisers quickly concluded that Mr. Obama’s remarks from the California fundraiser could be a political liability as he seeks to win over working-class voters. He responded with unusual force at a town meeting at a high school in Terre Haute, seeking to explain his statement that voters are bitter.
“Here’s what’s rich. Senator Clinton said, ‘Well I don’t think people are bitter in Pennsylvania. I think Barack is being condescending,” Mr. Obama said. “John McCain said, ‘How could he say that? How could he say that people are bitter? He obviously is out of touch with people.’ Out of touch? Out of touch? John McCain – it took him three times to finally figure out that the home foreclosure was a problem and to come up with a plan for it and he’s saying I’m out of touch?”
The audience, comprised largely of Democratic voters, rose to its feet and applauded as Mr. Obama delivered his defense. Late Friday evening, the Indiana Republican Party accused Mr. Obama of belittling “Midwestern values,” and called upon Democrats to denounce the remark. The Pennsylvania Republican party issued a similar call.
April 11, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Americans don't need a president who can't open her mouth without running whatever she says through 12 different focus groups. Americans don't need a president who desperately grabs at anything she can in an attempt to keep her campaign alive, and who resorts to the politics of fear and division to do so.
The ONLY reason I'll vote for her if she's the nominee is the Supreme Court. And I guarantee you that she'll be death to the party on the Congressional level. We won't pick up as many seats this fall and we'll lose a ton in '10. She can't even run her campaign--how the hell could she run the country?
I agree with Bill Clinton--I'll vote for the candidate who makes me hope and think, who's honest and inspiring. That candidate is sure not Hillary Clinton. And pathetic attacks like the one she launched today make me feel that more strongly than ever before. Obama's right--SHE and McCain are the ones out of touch.
True that HRC quoted Republicans in her press release about this? Typical, unfortunately.
April 12, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for posting that, ShoelessJoe. I love that Obama is pretty good at answering these kinds of stupid, distracting criticisms fast and with vehemence.
Hell--I've got a solid job with benefits, and I'M sometimes bitter about the state of our country. What kind of Pollyanna view of the American public do Clinton and McCain have?
April 12, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
jweb271....this is not about me.
April 12, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please. Its not an issue that he called the good people of the midwest bitter--of course they are--and have every right to be. Its how he says that they REACT to that bitterness--with narrow mindedness, blind faith, and stunted perceptions of other races. These people are nothing like that, and I cannot believe they will react favorably to the suggestion that they are too dense to perceive the roots of their problems. I like Obama, but this was a spectacular disconnect of brain and mouth. I desperately hope that he does not try to spin it into something "that he really meant". Apologize, Senator. We know you are better than this.
April 12, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, don't apologize Obama. You're right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/
We're mad as hell, and we're voting for you.
April 12, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
And the people he looks down on will NOT vote for him. Ever.
Nice strategy.
April 12, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wheeee! Once again we have another potentially damaging Obama story w/Greg as the author and once again, we have the same unhappy frowny picture of Obama. Obama mad! Obama smash! Yet Obambi also cwy :*( He's mean AND weak. Oh TPM Obama pics, how sangry you must be that you have no other pictures that can be shown for you for stories that might be bad for you. Is this excellent news for Hillary? We'll have to ask.
Today I'll be judging this (same) picture using an Emo system (for sad, angry, one step away from cutting, Obama pic) and so this one is 4 Bright Eyes and a 1/2 Panic! At The Disco (I've heard they were peppy in their last effort).
As for the full statements of Obama's, I agree with what he said originally said, but what's more I really agreed with his shmackdown repudiation of McClinton in Terre Haute, IN. That was made out of awesome.
Who knows how this will end up playing out in the MSM. Obviously they weren't choosing to focus on the true context of his presumed words orginally, who knows if they'll give any airtime to his response to them. I hope they will. If only because the MSM sees a benefit for them, because it will fuel the 'horse race' that is garnering them ratings and therefore, money. I mean, sure one could wish the media would cover it because it might be relevant, but that's crazy talk. Clearly Obama says something negative about McCain in that speech, so that is not in it's favour, because goddess forfend the media ever show valid criticisms of McCain. Well not ones that they take the time to themselves, refute as part of the story, see torture flip-flop, Times article.
McCain be wrong? Le gasp at that kind of blasphemy. Obama must really be the Anti-Christ after all to suggest such things. I knew those emails were right.
April 12, 2008 1:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
After reading through all the comments I feel better, except I do not know what to think about the small handful who wrote nasty, petty remarks about Obama. It seems to me that anything Obama does will never be good enough for you.
Obama has faults, Clinton has faults and McCain has faults. But Clinton's supporters seem unwilling to look at her faults. And frankly I find that too reminiscent of the first few years of Bush in the WH. Once his became evident it was too late, he was already in office. Voters believed Bush -- although I cannot imagine why.
If we blind ourselves from the truth or stay in denial our problems will never be solved. No one is perfect! If we refuse to see a candidate's faults, if we refuse to look at the problems in this country, if we refuse to admit our own faults, then we are stuck in a never-ending loop.
If Hillary does not win -- even though there is not much difference in her's and Obama's policies -- many threaten to vote for McCain. That is regrettable. You will regret a McCain presidency. He is not a moderate. I do not know if you believe that is showing loyalty to Clinton or what, but i personally feel McCain will be just like Bush on steroids!
Hillary & Bill demand loyalty. Bush and Cheney demand loyalty. Blind loyalty is ruining our country. Have you forgotten that loyalty is to our Constitution not to an individual!
Having said that Iam not equating Clinton with Bush. What Iam saying is that look at HRC for who she is and what she is doing -- if you approve, fine support her. But at least know what to expect.
Know that criticism and hatred are completely different.
Criticizing Barack Obama is one thing, demeaning his character is quite another.
April 12, 2008 1:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
"But Clinton's supporters seem unwilling to look at her faults. And frankly I find that too reminiscent of the first few years of Bush in the WH."
You need to get past your own narrow little preconceptions. At the very least, you must be able to see the irony in that statement.
And you need to stop using Republican talking points at every opportunity.
April 12, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me and my working class buddies are pretty sick-and-tired of this crooked John Kerry snob in blackface wanna-be named Obama buying up elections, disenfranchising voters, and looking down his effete mulatto snoot at us.
It's not surprising then that we're also sick of all you limousine liberals clinging to your second amendment-hating atheism and your antipathy towards working people who are against exporting American jobs, as a way of explaining your greedy parasitic frustrations.
April 12, 2008 2:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant satire! This is one of the best pastiches of rabid right-wing moronism I've ever read. You've got the brainless anti-black racist angle down to a tee. rstephen you have a bright future in comedy, my friend!
April 12, 2008 8:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ooops. Meant to reply to first (same) sangry Obama about losing his lead to McCain article.
Can I blame the gamma rays? that combined with black lipstick just threw my posting all off.
Okay, even if I can't, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Just like I hope that Obama rightly (not Wrightly) sticks to his very correct assesment that some people in America are pretty ticked off and yes, bitter by this point. I know I am. 8 years of Reagan, 4 of Poppy, and 8 of Dubya have made me pretty darn bitter.
April 12, 2008 2:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, more than 80% of Americans think America is on the wrong track. The median wage has actually decreased the last five years, and that's not even corrected for inflation. And income disparity is at it's worst level since the Great Depression. Not to mention skyrocketing foreclosures, falling dollar, record energy and food costs, increasing employment
But obviously Obama is way off base calling people "bitter", which obviously means that they're a bunch of Al Qaeda terrrrrrrrrists that sell "the weed" to little kids. It couldn't have anything to do any of that other stuff. He's just an effete snob that regular Americans (and we all know what I mean when I say "regular") that love the bowling.
I mean, how much could he possibly have in common with normal folks given the amount of money he and his spouse have made these last seven years. Am I right?
April 12, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
When HRC said that folks do not want to vote for someone that looks down on them she could not have been more right.
I for one am happy that she has finally been able to see the truth concerning her candidacy.
April 12, 2008 2:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oops! That wasn't a very smart thing for Obama to say. He also brought in gun control and gay rights, both of which issues are more than a little ticklish for him. Not a good move. And then to get angry over it and refuse to apologize to the people he put down. Well, I guess it's time to give another thirty-seven minute speech. Maybe he can bring it down to our level so all of us unenlightened working folks can understand what he was really getting at. Carl Rove was right. Arrogance may be his Achilles heel.
April 12, 2008 2:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
The difference between the Clinton's attack and spin program and a candidate with genuine heart is so easily apparent. Thanks for attacking and see Obama's response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow
April 12, 2008 3:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why is everyone on here focusing on the "bitter" thing? People are upset that he said that they cling to guns, religion, bigotry, and anti-trade sentiments because they lost their jobs. I mean, even a quick glance at any right-wing place makes that pretty clear. Does noone here really see how we could get upset at that part?
April 12, 2008 5:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
One comment above links to a video about Hillary Clinton which shows film clips from her early life. One thing I find curious.
In 1950, those of us who were born in small-town America working class families were lucky to have our early lives documented with a brownie film camera. No one had a movie camera until much later into the 1960s.
When we went to the lake, we considered it wonderful when the whole family, including aunts, uncles, cousins, grandmother, rented a one-room, one bathroom 'cottage' where we kids slept on the screened porch.
So, perhaps it's that perspective that makes HRC's comments about 'looking down' on people seem a little disingenuous.
April 12, 2008 6:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
OBAMA SPEAKS FOR ME!
April 12, 2008 7:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see the video from Indiana and I think Obama hit a triple if not a home run. I think he spoke the truth in California, the only problem was his choice of words and phrasing. But he has clarified his remarks and added some new spice to it.
Here is what I see. In his talk in California, he lay the fault for the failure of the past 25 years directly at the feet of the two Bushes and Clinton, and of course they are fuming...hence the strong response from both camps. This is a boon for Obama because now the working class Democrats can see Clinton as aligned with the Republicans on economic issues, and that is exactly what Clinton does not need to win PA and IN.
Maybe I'm wearing rose colored glasses, but I see Obama gaining some leverage out of this dustup.
April 12, 2008 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
PS to myself. I think Clinton made a mistake by not aligning herself with Obama, without necessarily using the same words. Instead in her eagerness to attack Obama she distanced herself from working class people by downplaying their frustrations.
April 12, 2008 8:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama tells the truth the way he sees it, and by these and other comments he is advancing the political debate in the USA, transforming it from a juvenile, overspun, misreported festival of superficiality into something authentic and relevant. Good for him, and long may it continue. Clinton and McCain meanwhile jump on anything that will advance their candidacies and say anything that will be to their advantage - old school politcs-as-usual. The playing field therefore ain't level; Obama will eat them. Why? Because human beings have passion, intelligence, hearts and souls and when push comes to shove - like in this crunch election year - we recognise and respond to authenticity. It may not happen all at once but it is happening. The game has changed and the old methods - Clinton's and McCain's and the modus operandi of much of the televised and print media - no longer hold sway. Truth is on the move and the long cold frozen night is over.
April 12, 2008 8:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice line to read just as we welcome spring. I may use this line sometime, if its ok with you.
April 12, 2008 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Be my guest Suntzu!
April 12, 2008 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not about you? Aren't you the one going on and on about your Western PA cred? Not about you? You began each paragraph in one post with "Well, I was..."; "I can tell you..."; and "I'm sure the...".
But no, this isn't about you.
April 12, 2008 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
This article says "black hole" which correctly describes what an empty suit Barry Obama is.
April 12, 2008 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure you've researched him in depth, right? Probably visited his web site and spent some time reading up on what he's accomplished and what he stands for. Of course you have. Because otherwise, YOU'D be an empty suit too.
April 12, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
After listening to Obama's response, my husband and I cheered. You are damn right people have a right to be bitter. Hey, Senator Clinton -- take a short hop across the Susquehanna to say to those of us in the Soutehrn Tier who haven't seen you in months. Remember us? The people you have been promising to help for the last six years. Please.
April 12, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
When he goes around and talks, the MSM kisses his whatever, except for FOX which actually reports news and has the rating to show for it unlike the "offical Obama Cable Network: MSNBC," home to Tweety and Olbertwit.
The empty suit Senator Obama, sees dem white folks as bitter religious gun loving. OK, I'm for that. I am a bitter, wealthy, whitefolk from PA. PA Results: Clinton 61% Obama 37%.
Obama and his proud to be an American wife need to return to Pakistan or wherever he vacationed for 3 weeks without mentioning it in his two books and take the crazy uncle Reverend Wright and his buddy Louie Farrakhan with him. Hopefully, he's run for PM there.
April 12, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
When did the word "bitter" become a mark of condecenson?
April 12, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're joking, right? You really think this is about the word "bitter"? This isn't about a single word - it's about an entire discussion. It's about tone of voice, and body language, and context.
Like it or not, the Dear Leader has a lot of negatives to overcome. And leaving a vital part of the electorate (you know, those people without whom you lose elections) thinking he looks down on them is one of them.
April 12, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
No bitterness in this comment, that's for sure!
April 12, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, none at all. Lots of truth, neatly packaged into 2 short paragraphs.
April 12, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK. Let me guess. You're fifteen years old, you love sending aggressive postings via the internet, should be doing your homework but ain't. Some zits. Bad fashion sense. All good and well.
But if in fact, despite all appearances, you're an adult, you need to get out more :-)
April 12, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great Videos for the Obama Kool-Aid drinkers:
http://redstate.com/stories/archived/super_happy_obama_fun_time_videos
April 12, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Aryan Nation Racist Scumbags:
Such as Matthew Weaver, Gotalife, Marginal Player, Jodyphile, and their ilk, rush to help Hillary Rambo Clinton, The Heroine of Tuzla, in her hour of need.
Hillary has become so desperate that she has stopped pandering to the party base, and is now pandering to the basest racist vermin in the nation.
Just when you think Hillary can sink no lower, she proves you wrong once again, by limboing (or should I say Limbaughing) under the belly of a snake.
April 12, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for adding me (you missed me in the other post). Yours is a typical Obamaista response, sort of like one might hear from Hugo Chavez supporters.
Anyone who dares not support the honest Senator Obama is a "aryan nation racist." Obama is so honest, except of course when it comes to Rev Wright sermons he heard, his foreign trips to include Pakistan for 3 weeks as well as his proud to be an American for the first time wife.
It's all the fault of those damn bitter whitefolks and Latinos. 92% of African Americans and 25% of DEM whites can't be wrong.
April 12, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think "liam" was up late last night studying for his middle-school English exams. He's a little cranky right now and not thinking straight. Perfect proof that mommies should monitor what the li'l darlings are doing on-line.
April 12, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
WTF? Dude, you're in the wrong thread.
Are you saying that anybody who calls the Dear Leader on an amateurish gaffe is racist?
Are you saying the Dear Leader is perfect because he's black?
Are you saying the Dear Leader should get a free ride because he's black?
What the hell is wrong with you?
Are you really that stupid?
April 12, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Joan Walsh of Salon is not exactly what you would call an Obamabot, and if anything she leans Clinton. But she has an article up about the "bitter" kerfuffle. Thinks Obama made a mistake in his original remarks but his comeback is "awesome."
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/
April 12, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
See how the Racists scream when they get exposed. What a bunch of gutless cowards those Aryan Nation types really are. All they cling to is the color of their skin. They have such low self esteem, that they elevate their pigmentation level to some thing that make them feel superior.
Deep down inside, they know that is not the case, but if they accepted that truth then they would have to also accept that they are chronic losers, and might have to actually do something about it, instead of scapegoating other races, religions, and ethnicities. They had nothing to do with how they were born, but they keep blustering about it, like they believe that they actually created their selves.
They truly are just a Confederacy of Howling Dunces.
April 12, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's incredible to me that you see Obama gaining leverage on this "dustup".
April 12, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, I may well be wrong. Next week's Pennsylvania polls will tell us whether Obama gained any leverage or not. Until then, there's no point arguing about it.
April 12, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bitter?...I'm sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YlTSYVZxuY
April 12, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
What have the Republicans used in the last two Presidential elections to win the economically depressed rural and small town votes. They have used God, Guns, and Gays, That is how they conned a lot of those voters into voting against their own economic self interests. So while they were duped into being afraid of Gays, and that someone would take away their hunting rifles, all bullshit, the Republican Robber Barons were free to steal them blind, ship their jobs out to near slave labor nations, and bleed the nation and the middle class to death.
Senator Obama speaks the truth. If the voters who have been conned into letting the the Republican Robber Barons, and NAFTA and Columbia Trade enabling Clintons, do not accept the truth of what has put them in their current desperate plight, then so be it, but at least they will not be in a position to complain that had not been told the truth by Senator Obama.
If they can not handle the truth, then Hillary and McCain will tell them all the lies that they can swallow, while they fall further and further into a great economic depression.
God, Guns, and Gays, will not make Their Grapes of Wrath taste sweet.See how the Racists scream when they get exposed. What a bunch of gutless cowards those Aryan Nation types really are. All they cling to is the color of their skin. They have such low self esteem, that they elevate their pigmentation level to some thing that make them feel superior.
Deep down inside, they know that is not the case, but if they accepted that truth then they would have to also accept that they are chronic losers, and might have to actually do something about it, instead of scapegoating other races, religions, and ethnicities. They had nothing to do with how they were born, but they keep blustering about it, like they believe that they actually created their selves.
They truly are just a Confederacy of Howling Dunces.
April 12, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
George Bush's Kool-Aid drinkers say if you're against him you hate America. Period.
The Dear Leader's Kool-Aid drinkers say if you're against him you're a racist. Period.
Simple ideas for simple minds.
April 12, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm... Once again Clinton is relying on Drudge to do her dirty work. A man whose reputation was built on trashing her husband... Just reminds me why I would never vote for her for any office.
What Obama said, even out of its entire context, is right on target. McCain, Clinton, Bush, Liberman, ans Zell are all examples of people who lead through fear and insecurity. They are running off a base, the few states 'that count'; and feed on economic, religious, race, and other forms of fear that feed fascism rather than a clear vision that breaks down bitterness and insecurity - not just in small town America but everywhere in this country.
Obama 2008!
April 12, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is toast. Just ignore her from now on. Focus on exposing McCain for the Bush third term candidate that he truly is.
If you like all of George W.Bush's domestic and foreign policies, then you will absolutely love John McCain. He wants to continue all of Bush's agenda.
How has that worked out for you, Middle Class Americans?
April 12, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
This might be the biggest nonstory in a long time. I was watching Lou Dobbs last night, and he had his assistant sitting in for him and she was treating as though Obama had said something like, "Ah yes, those little people from small towns and thier pathetic little minds...."
They were FULL of "this could bring down his campaign" and "what will happen now?"
I think his biggest mistake was handing something to Hillary that she could twist for her own benefit, but I doubt that voters would see his comments as condescending unless outfits like CNN spin it that way.
I didn't think it was condescending, and I doubt voters will either.
Lou Dobbs is hopeless. I'm willing to bet this is the first thing new he's had on Obama since the Rev. Wright episode.
April 12, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barry Obama = empty suit with a website.
Also:
Barry Obama = empty suit with a website = black hole where your donations went
Don't vote for Barry Obama because you don't like him. Don't vote for Barry Obama because BARRY OBAMA DOESN'T LIKE YOU.
Nah nah nah nah
Barry Obama
Hey hey
GOODBYE!
April 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is toast. Just ignore her from now on. Focus on exposing McCain for the Bush third term candidate that he truly is.
If you like all of George W.Bush's domestic and foreign policies, then you will absolutely love John McCain. He wants to continue all of Bush's agenda.
How has that worked out for you, Middle Class Americans?
April 12, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, it's starting to look like "liam" had his morning nap. He's sounding almost reasonable.
If you guys want to beat McCain you have got to develop a grown-up message. That whole race-baiting thing may work in some circles, but 92% of African Americans is still only maybe 24% of the electorate. The faux victim thing just won't cut it.
You need ideas, not blah-blah-blah. Right now all you've got is an empty suit chanting "Change... Change... Change..." while you sit glassy-eyed in front of your TV screens and computer monitors going, "Ooooooooo...."
Get some ideas, get over yourselves, and get ready for the real ride. If Clinton's calling out the Dear Leader gets your panties in a wad, you're going to pee great big puddles once the Republicans get going on him. Hell, Rove has all of you spouting his hatred. Do you think the Repubs haven't also learned that lesson - and learned it better, since most of them are grown-ups?
April 12, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
well done obama! always screwing yourself over before a primary. i assume this latest spew was as the result of trying to write his own speech or going without a teleprompter? hope and change indeed!
hahaha!!!
April 12, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama = empty suit. sorry, barry, you screwed yourself over big time. hope you like the taste of that size 13 foot.
April 12, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is more than appalling that during a week when it was revealed that the White House was the actual venue for discussions about the details of how to use "enhanced techniques" (Bush's words) to torture terrorism suspects, a fact that implicates the president, the vice president, the Department of Justice, and nearly half of his cabinet in construable war crimes, the most important thing that the media and the pundits can talk about is a few sentences that Sen. Obama uttered in California.
Pretty sad to observe. We have a long way to go to recover our reputation as the beacon of freedom and a refuge from tyrants.
April 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
nah - problem is barack obama is an arrogant prick. thinks the presidency will be handed to him on a silver platter? nope. glad his true colors are coming through, and now he'll lose PA with even larger margins. hope and change indeed!
April 12, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's one thing for Thomas Frank or Richard Hofstadter or Ezra Klein to suggest that 25 years of economic insecurity might drive some "bitter" parts of the Democratic base in PA and the midwest towards guns and religion and against minorities and immigrants, but is entirely another thing for a pol to do it. Do you really think Reagan Dems (or "the Bubba vote" as one poster here just called the base of the Democratic party) will enjoy being stereotyped by Obama as gun-loving racists? Are blog readers that clueless about working-class Dems?
Obama handed it to the RNC on a platter.This will all be very helpful when the Repubs cast Obama as an out-of-touch-with-the-working-stiff, just as they successfully did with Kerry and Dukakis. But I suspect that many posters here don't grok that because they're just too blinded by partisanship.
April 12, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are blog readers that clueless about working-class Dems?
Apparently.
April 12, 2008 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is sympathetic and understanding. Unlike nearly every TV pundit, he was not being patronizing. He was responding to the condescending picture that the media is constantly painting of Pennsylvania, a picture initially created and fueled by Clinton goon James Carville's wisecracks. His point is that he understands why a variety of people are frustrated, distrustful and resentful. They should be! They've been ignored and ripped off and haven't been able to count on outside help (past administrations), so they're very protective of what remains of their own resources and their families and communities. Obama understands this. He's defending them! If Clinton and McCain aren't aware that people are bitter and angry about the sorry state of our Union, then they're is totally out of touch with human spirit.
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
April 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton said:
"I saw in the media it's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that's not my experience.
I live in Pittsburgh, and while people here aren't exactly bitter, they know they know that when the steel industry collapsed, there were winners and losers, and the winners did nothing to help out the losers. Instead, steel workers were told that they had made bad career choices.
In reality, the picture is a lot more complicated -- the steel industry was sacrificed to steel companies that were diversifying and treated steel production as a cash cow, rather than something that needed investment; to unions that viewed steel as a source of unending wealth rather than agreeing to more flexible work rules; and a government that provided little investment help for the industry, while the governments of our competitors provided lots of subsidies.
The result is that some people had to scramble really hard to find new livelihoods. For the most part, the area has recovered from its state in the late 70s, but I don't doubt that some people are still a little bitter about the way that the steel industry was sacrificed.
So, I think Obama's a lot closer to understanding what people here think than Clinton. My prediction is that the harder she hammers on this, the more out of touch she herself looks.
April 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know. Many of you will tell me, as you have, that this election has nothing to do with us foreigners. That it is all about America. The American choice. The American future. And you are (mostly) right. This is your choice. This is about the American future. This is about America. But it does have something to do with us Johnny Foreigners. We do have a stake in this. Why? Because most level-headed people in this world still look to America for direction. We still look up to America. We look for guidance. We look to America for leadership in this crazy little sphere of ours. Question is, can America still provide it? And who offers that hope? http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/12/note-to-america-the-world-is-watching/
April 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
More double-standard crap from Hillary and her pack of weasels. Isn't it amazing how Sen. Clinton can laugh off real lapses of memory and total twisting of the facts, yet she has the gall to call Obama an "elitist" for remarks that correctly define how small town America has been treated by the political machine for the past twenty five years - through Republican and Democratic control of the Oval Office and Congress. Obama hit the nail squarely on the head when he cited how many Americans can become bitter, losing faith in a political system that only comes to them once every election cycle for their votes and then promptly turns their back on these same people - even when they are are in need - to cozy up to powerful vested interests in Washington DC. Sen. Clinton treats small town America as nothing more than chattel, and she only listens to the well-heeled and big-time donors and special interests.
I listened to Obama's remarks about "bitterness" and watched the faces of the people in Indiana who attentively listened to his speech. As he spoke, people were nodding their heads in agreement, long before the delivery of the concluding remarks. Our nation has not had a leader who empathizes with the average American's plight. We know John McCain is incapable of being that kind of leader. Sen. Clinton's demonstrated behavior and flip-flopping and pandering is the best insight she will not be much better than McCain.
I truyly hope Hillary gets her ass kicked in the remaining two months.
April 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe Obama has already won the Democratic nomination because it would take the same kind of miracle that Bush desperately/delusionally "hopes" for in Iraq for Clinton to attract the votes of superdelegates. That being said, I am a Democratic, and if Clinton gets her miracle, I will vote for her as the lesser evil. But personally speaking, it will give me great satisfaction when Obama defeats her. She has become everything I despise about politics and politicians. She doesn't deserve to win. She deserves to lose. She deserves to feel all the angst and self-recrimination that self-defeat warrants. But more importantly, she deserves a great deal of the blame if John McCain becomes president. For that, the Democratic Party should shun and condemn her. She is single-handedly destroying the Democratic Party's chances of winning the presidency. No one could have guessed she would been such a maliciously destructive loser. She should be condemned and shunned by all loyal Democrats for her betrayal of trust.
April 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait a second. I just found out that Obama made these statements about small town USA not only in front of elitist rich people in Pacific Heights...
But it was a fundraiser at a multi-millionaire's mansion with many millionaires present and the media was disallowed. So, he was speaking as though no one else would find out.
The mansion is owned by multi-millionaire "Pakistan native and ardently Muslim Sohaib Abbasi (CEO of Informatica)"....
Here. Look at all the pictures of the string of millionaire and billionaire fundraisers Obama went to in San Fran:
http://savagepolitics.com/
http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row/
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He didn't just say people are bitter because they lost jobs.
He said people in small towns in PA and the mid-west cling to their guns, and their God, and they don't like anyone who is not like them, and they don't like immigrants, and they are against trade.
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He called small town USA a bunch of gun-toting bigots and xenophobes who are isolationist religious zealots and bitter people.
April 12, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait a second. I just found out that Obama made these statements about small town USA not only in front of elitist rich people in Pacific Heights...
But it was a fundraiser at a multi-millionaire's mansion with many millionaires present and the media was disallowed. So, he was speaking as though no one else would find out.
The mansion is owned by multi-millionaire "Pakistan native and ardently Muslim Sohaib Abbasi (CEO of Informatica)"....
Here. Look at all the pictures of the string of millionaire and billionaire fundraisers Obama went to in San Fran:
http://savagepolitics.com/
http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row/
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He didn't just say people are bitter because they lost jobs.
He said people in small towns in PA and the mid-west cling to their guns, and their God, and they don't like anyone who is not like them, and they don't like immigrants, and they are against trade.
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He called small town USA a bunch of gun-toting bigots and xenophobes who are isolationist religious zealots and bitter people.
April 12, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! Way to twist it!
He called out the fact that people get up in a furor over gun rights and religion and anti-immigrant hysteria as proxies for their anger about government not responding to their really important concerns: Jobs, healthcare, and the realities of daily life.
But apparently we're reading two different quotes. And apparently you're happy to cast Obama as elitist. Never mind that Hillary had 20 of the richest people in America attempt to override the democratic process by sending a threat