Obama: McCain Would Be Better Than Bush
Barack Obama is finding himself caught in a new gaffe, when he conceded that any of the current candidates -- including John McCain -- would be a better president than George W. Bush.
"You have a real choice in this election. Either Democrat would be better than John McCain. And all three of us would be better than George Bush," Obama told a town hall event in Pennsylvania. "But what you have to ask yourself is, who has the chance to actually, really change things in a fundamental way?"
Hillary Clinton was quick to pounce, in light of this seeming violation of this standard Dem line that McCain is simply running to carry out Bush's third term: "We need a nominee who will take on John McCain, not cheer on John McCain."















Well, again, he's right. A pet rock would be better than Bush.
It doesn't mean McCain won't continue Bush's failed policies though.
April 20, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain would be better than Obama.
At least he wouldn't put Rezko and gangsta rappers
in the whitehouse guest rooms.
April 21, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a gaffe? Are you kidding me? Was John McCain passing the commander-in-chief threshold a gaffe? Quit with the sensationalist reporting.
April 20, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, it's definitely a gaffe of pretty big proportions. Now McCain can say BHO is being disingenuous when he tries to claim that electing McCain would be tantamount to a third Bush term. Because now he's on record for saying McCain is better than Bush.
Get it???
April 21, 2008 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong. Ever heard of "damning with faint praise"?
I'd LOVE to see McCain try to run with the "at least I'm not Bush" meme, with Obama's quote (which puts both Dems above him) in the ad. Good luck with that one, McCain.
April 21, 2008 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
No. McCain won't run on Obama's blunder, but every time "McSame" comes up, he has a mulititude of comebacks along the lines of "My Friends, Obama thinks I'll be a big improvement on Bush. And of course I know that many of you think I have the experience and record to be much better than Obama".
Not that I think this is a particularly big gaffe, but it is a gaffe, amd it does weaken the current Democratic line of attack.
April 21, 2008 7:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is so desperate and power drunk, that if it was sunny outside and Obama said it was, she would say its a cloudy day!
April 20, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've been so lobamatized that if BHO told you the sky was blue, you'd look skyward and say, 'ya' know, I was just thinkin' the same thing. sigh...'
April 21, 2008 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
That idea that every Obama supporter's "lobotomized" or "brainwashed" was tired a few months ago. You guys are still using that?
April 21, 2008 3:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let us not overlook the part where Barack said that "either democrat is better than McCain." Hillary is the person who said that McCain passed the CiC threshold and said she couldn't comment on Barack. I really do hate that woman.
April 20, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would you hate someone for telling the truth? You have to understand that not everyone shares your unfounded faith in someone who has proven very little.
April 21, 2008 2:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't hate someone for telling the truth. I hate people who take a simple truth and start spinning it into something so distorted it can no longer share the same space-time as the truth. I really, truly despise those kinds of people. Saying McCain is better than Bush is a fact. Saying that means Obama is cheering on McCain is a lie.
April 21, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Spinning, space-time, and (implied) denseness. I'm feeling another discussion of Kerr black holes coming on…
April 21, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said. Thanks.
April 21, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
My sentiments exactly.Everytime I see Hillary on teevee I cant help thinking about the words: desperate,out-of-touch,shit-out-of-luck and a certain airport somewhere in Eastern Euope.How can we even think about electing this terrible woman into the presidency!
April 21, 2008 5:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
My sentiments exactly.Everytime I see Hillary on teevee I cant help thinking about the words: desperate,out-of-touch,shit-out-of-luck and a certain airport somewhere in Eastern Euope.How can we even think about electing this terrible woman into the presidency!
April 21, 2008 5:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
My sentiments exactly.Everytime I see Hillary on teevee I cant help thinking about the words: desperate,out-of-touch,shit-out-of-luck and a certain airport somewhere in Eastern Euope.How can we even think about electing this terrible woman into the presidency!
April 21, 2008 5:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
My god, Clinton is ridiculous. At least Obama said Clinton was better than McCain, something Clinton wasn't able to do for Obama. By this logic, Clinton's entire campaign is a gaffe.
April 20, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get your facts straight. HRC has said time and again that BHO would make a better president than McCain, and has said so again as recently as the last debate. Try to maintain at least a semblance of self-dignity instead of putting out blatant lies like this one.
April 21, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Links?
April 21, 2008 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Haha. Nice try but I'm not going to do your research for you. Try looking for a video of the last debate. ABCNEWS.COM MIGHT be a good starting point.
April 21, 2008 2:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please. That debate was the first time she'd ever even acknowledged publicly that he can win the general, and it was like pulling teeth for her to answer in the affirmative.
April 21, 2008 3:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's completely untrue. She's said multiple times that whoever wins the nomination, the party will come together and there'll be a Democrat in the white house.
Off the top of my head, one such example was towards the end of the LA debate.
April 21, 2008 7:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right. However, I think the debate was the first time she publicly admitted that Obama could beat McCain. (I.e., prior to that the implication was that he'd be a better president than McCain if elected, but that he wouldn't be able to beat McCain.)
Obviously, the CiC comment was one of her gaffes, and one that irritated a lot of us Obama supporters, but I think it is possible to make too big of a deal about it.
April 21, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares? I mean who the f--- cares? I'm so sick of the demonization games in this country I could throw up. And Hillary Clinton is the queen of this game, the indisputable champ when it comes to gasbag outrage and fingerpointing. And now she's hotflashing about this non-statement -- real ironic after she lauded McCain to the skies. But no difference in her book, and her robot supporters' book. But for my part, I say, please, someone, get the hook and get her off the stage, please. She's a constant, carping, crying annoyance. The universal mother-in-law from hell.
April 21, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
who thinks mccain is worse than bush?
monkey-boy beating out mccain in 2000 is one of the reasons i am on this sight. as it was the last straw of crap choices on the ballot in november without having some say about those crap choices.
if mccain would have won the primary in 2000, voldemort wouldn't have been on the ticket, and i think the world would be a little less screwed up than it currently is.
April 20, 2008 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillbilly:
Hillbilly-Joe:
The lady is just ugly.
Dog shit ugly.
April 20, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is where some Obama supporters get tripped up, and the reason is that Obama's campaign has been focused to a large degree on character (attacks).
Saying the McCain is a "man with a great history of service to our country”, is not incompatible with callign him McSame, and that he'd continue the same old tired policies of Bush. You can attack policies without attacking the person.
Obama, on the other hand, by saying that McCain would be a better President than Bush, is implying that his *policies* would be better. That's incompatible with McSame. Again, I don't think it's a huge gaffe, but I think it's a definitely an error.
April 21, 2008 8:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh like this freaking matters, after Hillary said over and over and over and over and over and over and over again that McCain would be better than Obama! Damn, I'm so sick and tired of the Clinton's chutzpah, I can't wait for her to quit the race.
And what's this "gaffe" crap? How many headlines did we see in here that said Hillary made a gaffe when she said over and over and over and over and over and over that McCain was better than Obama?
Damn, I am so sick of her!
April 20, 2008 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damning with faint praise is not a gaffe. This was about Bush, not McCain.
April 20, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen. And how so few people are seeing what Obama actually said. Too many overly literal people in the media.
April 21, 2008 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not really "overtly literal" so much as willing to make omissions where they see fit. It's like they don't even recognize the fact he put both Dems, himself and Hillary, above McCain.
April 21, 2008 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary really does talk out of both sides of her face.
"McCain and I are the only two who have crossed the CiC threshold."
Does she really think we're that dumb?
As an aside, Eric, I'm waiting for her FEC filings, which are due in about an hour.
Any bets that they miss the deadline because it's bad news and they won't want to go into Tuesday with that egg smeared on their faces?
April 20, 2008 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does she really think we're that dumb?
Well, she thinks the Media and independents are that dumb.
All she has to do is make one of these sensational attacks stick enough or hurt him enough so that the Supers she has promised places in her cabinent a role, to over rule the people. I dont think Im smarter than Hillary, which is why I think she is willfully willing to turn the Youth and Black vote away to gain power. Knowone will ever convince me that she does not know the consequences of what she is doing right now. The fact that she is ok with that is very telling, and the Supers that would go along with it for their power grab disgust me as well. As I've said before, and others on this board have said, Man I really do not like this woman!
April 20, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, she's reeled Eric Kleefeld in, that's for sure.
April 20, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You beat me to the punch, Sci.
April 21, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is pretty silly. Saying McCain would be better than Bush is virtually the definition of damning with faint praise.
Sure he'd be better than Bush. But he'd still have similar policies and would be awful, and I don't think Obama has spared any effort to remind us of that -- unlike Clinton, with the CiC nonsense, etc.
That said, it's not particularly helpful. It's pretty clear that a big part of either Dems' strategy in the fall will be to tie McCain and Bush as closely together as possible. For him to inject daylight is a little annoying. But still, it's trivial.
April 20, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
A gaffe? I don't see this as a gaffe at all except for Hillary trying to MAKE it one.
She really does think people are stupid and guilty of misremembering that it was she who praised McCain over Obama quite a few times, as did Bubba.
I don't doubt that her camp's daily conference call tomorrow will feed the msm this new 'gaffe' talking point, and I don't doubt they'll run with it.....all day long.
I loathe the Clintons almost as much as the Bushes, and this from someone who really liked Bill Clinton and always defended him.
No more.
No more clintons.
No more bushes.
April 20, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gaffe?
Why are you using the MSM's language about this type of thing? Do you secretly want to be part of the club? What are they called? The Kool Kidz.
The bar Bush set is down in the cellar. A pet monkey would be better than the current occupant of the WH.
McCain, of course, would still be a disaster for the country. I'm quite sure Obama knows that.
April 20, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
What were you saying about Clinton endorsing mcwar?
April 20, 2008 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bit of a difference. Hillary essentially inferred that McCain was better than Obama. Obama stated that McCain is better than Bush.
Here's an easy way to think about it:
Hillary thinks McCain is better than Obama.
Obama thinks Hillary is better than McCain.
Tough to understand, I know, but it's all right there.
April 20, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw
April 20, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, not a gaffe at all. Just spin.
Obama has taken pains to always say he respects McCain and his service, but that he is disappointed that McCain has embraced Bush's policies.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802270001Interesting the AP piece is from Liz Sidoti, who covered up McCain's response to Bitch-Gate:
April 20, 2008 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, Hillary? It's fine to be totally two-faced and feign outrage and try to score political points for things you have, in fact, been far more guilty of, but try to avoid doing it when there's so much documentary evidence. because you look like an idiot.
Thanks.
(Greg-perhaps worth mentioning some of Hillary's previous statements?)
April 20, 2008 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a statement that I'm willing to bet the majority of folks in this country -- on both sides of the aisle -- know to be true. Obama is at his best when he's speaking what he thinks to be true and avoiding typical Democratic rhetoric.
We're simply not looking at it right if we call it a gaffe every time Obama says something that, say, the Kerry campaign or the Gore campaign would never have said. Let's remember -- they lost.
Obama has made NOT being a party-line Democrat the center of his campaign since day one. So we can hardly call it an error when he makes a statement that's doesn't reflect the party line.
April 20, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's important to note he prefaced it by saying both Democrats would be better. I don't see this as being any different from Obama (and possibly Hillary) saying in his speeches that McCain is a war hero, etc. It's more of a dig at Bush than anything. A gaffe? Hardly.
Oh yeah, and Scaife formally endorsed Hillary today. Credibility ahoy:
http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/clinton-wins-backing-from-former-critic/20080420202709990001?icid=100214839x1200376947x1200012933
April 20, 2008 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Christ on a pretzel this woman get's on my nerves. Everything she accuses him of she has been there done that and the press let's her get away with it. Didn't she say not too long ago McCain passed the Presidential litmus (rolling eyes) test? Pathetic...
April 20, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is so shameless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw
It's the last 48 hours, which means AP hacks like Liz Sedoti and her pal Nedra Pickler (http://www.examiner.com/Topic-By__LIZ_SIDOTI_and_NEDRA_PICKLER.html)
trot out their slanted coverage. And the Clinton campaign mails it out to everyone. Heck ,they probably had a Mayhill Fowler-type spy at all of his events to feed to the AP.
I wish Eric would give us more insight. I come here to know the truth behind the spin, not to have it covered up. So who originated this gem?
April 20, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just found some pita bread in my fridge that's about 2 months old. It would make a better president than Bush. So friggin' what?
April 20, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Liz Sedoti, McCain shill, who covered up McCain's gaffe (calling "how do we beat the bitch" an "excellent question") deliberately misconstrues a typical part of Obama's stump speech and this is a "gaffe"?
What bothers me is the lack of accountability. Liz Sedoti still has her job after shilling for McCain. Her colleage Nedra Pickler, rightwing hack, has been feeding garbage as usual, including the "Dems complain about complaining" crap.
And no one ever calls them on it. Meanwhile McCain says he wants to run a civil campaign and the next day hugs a guy who jeers Obama as "Tiger Woods" and that racist gaffe goes unnoticed.
For shame.
April 20, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she must have been joking when she said that. Right? I mean, how could she not have been joking? Right? Am I right? Because if she was serious, that would just be way way too much for us to take after she had told us how awesome McCain was just TWO WEEKS AGO. Right?
Cause these reporters are taking her seriously but I know it can't be serious, it has to be one of those funny politician jokes, right?
Someone tell me she's joking...
April 20, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You even calling this a "gaffe" doesn't speak well of your objectivity, Eric. This was hardly a "gaffe", and besides...he's actually correct. My kid sister would be better than Bush.
April 20, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't agree with 99% of the posts on this site that claim TPM has some sort of hidden agenda. But it does occasionally seem like certain posts are put up for the sole purpose of pissing people off. It's a good way to keep up readership--people always return to see what new thing will anger them. A number of press people do this and it works.
I'm not claiming this is what's going on here (I think TPM is better than that), but with the big majority Obama supporters have, some posts make me wonder.
April 20, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like the troll comments when he screws up.
Been happening too much lately, too much pressure.
Get ready for another meltdown.
April 20, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have much to add except that I agree with what everyone else is saying--how is this a "gaffe" and how does she have the nerve to complain after the way she elevated McCain above Obama????
April 20, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gaffe alert:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/clinton-praises.html
Hillary Clinton was quick to pounce, in light of this seeming violation of this standard Dem line that McCain is simply running to carry out Bush's third term: "I need a spouse and surrogate who will take on John McCain, not cheer on John McCain."
April 20, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric,
Please change the wording (gaffe) so they will stop whining.
Their heads are going to explode and mess up the blog.
Thanks.
April 20, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
P.S. It is fun riling them up.
April 20, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Got a life", huh?
April 20, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama was merely being gentlemanly.
Me, I would have said, "I've seen things circling my toilet bowl that would be better than Bush."
April 20, 2008 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there video of this somewhere? Because I'm betting that was a good laugh line.
As for Hillary "McCain's passed Commander-in-Chief test" Clinton, the fauxtrage is amazing.
And once again, like all the other supposed "gaffes" Obama has made, this is true. John McCain would be better than Bush. My cat would be a better president than George Bush. The hairballs my cat hacks up would make a better president than George Bush.
Obama is simply stating the obvious.
April 20, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes I really can't believe our political discourse had devolved into this. The "praise" Obama just gave McCain was faint at best, and was nothing compared to what Clinton herself said just a few weeks ago! She must really think we're all idiots.
April 20, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
There goes the McSame moniker.
"We need a nominee who will take on John McCain, not cheer on John McCain."
Indeed.
April 20, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nailed him.
April 20, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw
April 20, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
And...all the praise Hillary has given to McCain? The CIC threshold, Bill Clinton's, "two people who really love their country," etc?
April 21, 2008 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why the hell would HRC praise someone who has called her and her supporters racists? Someone who has called her out for 'cheating' on her taxes when there's no proof? Someone who has called her too polarizing to be elected? Someone who has called her deceptive? Wake up.
April 21, 2008 2:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can think of Keith Olbermann when it comes to the last two on that list of yours, but no one in anyone's campaign called Hillary or her supporters racist...ever. It'd be really swell if you HRC backers could ever back up your bullshit with actual quotes, citations and facts. Might help lend credence to all that rage you seem to be keeping inside.
April 21, 2008 2:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Relax little man, didn't mean to get you all riled up.
The truth is that his campaign surrogates and supporters have all done this FOR HIM. That way he doesn't get his hands dirty. It's POLITICS 101 and when you grow up someday you'll understand.
April 21, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. That wasn't condescending at all.
More of the same - condescending insults to conceal the fact that you have no proof to back up your assertions. Not that I'm surprised. It's par for the course at this point.
Try to get under someone else's skin, buddy...if that's your thing.
April 21, 2008 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Calling this a "gaffe" is idiotic. Honestly, is the idea that John McCain could be a better President than the worst President we've ever had really at all controversial?
I've had it with TPM Election Central. Your "reporting" of this Presidential race has been miles worse than even cable news, which is astonishing. What the hell happened to the liberal blogs?
April 20, 2008 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoops! Obama just gave Clinton one more argument to take to the superdelegates.
April 20, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You mean like this argument?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw
April 21, 2008 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your point is...?
Obama's admission that McCain would be better than Bush will give red-state Obamacans something to consider before they cast their final vote—the only vote that really matters—in the GE. Too bad Obama won all those red states, all those Republicans, all those Independents that he cites as his electoral revolution. Too bad he lost all the important swing states so far. Because now that he's said McCain is better than Bush, voters in red states can reconsider their rejection of the Republican party, and therefore the Republican candidate. That's what Clinton will take to the supers with this new Obama "mangling." If Obama loses PA now, after outspending Clinton 5 to 1, he's going to start sliding downhill fast. Should be interesting to see how his campaign is going to repackage this comment all day Monday.
Meanwhile, here's an analysis of Obama's red-state victory myth from HuffPo, home of the Obama mother lode. Or, if you prefer, here's an analysis of Obama's red-state map forecast from a WaPo article:
The reason why it's a gaffe is because it's one of those dumb-but-true things Obama says that end up harming him. I've noticed he tends to verbally stumble right before an election. Must be nerves.
April 21, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, considering he's won 2/3 of the primary elections thus far, he has a real reason to be nervous. Right.
Here's you, dude:
...something that should be rather obvious. You're claiming that Obama's statement today gives Clinton an "argument to take to the superdelegates" - when she actually heaped MORE praise on McCain herself. Thought it would've been painfully obvious.
Or so you hope, apparently. ("Only vote that really matters"...yeah, that's rich. I guess as a PA resident, I'll be wasting my time on Tuesday.)
What's your basis for claiming this? He prefaced it by saying that he and Hillary would be better than McCain. I guess if your strategy depended upon people being less than intelligent when they heard his quote, perhaps you'd be right. That's worked so well for Clinton thus far.
Oh, like Iowa, Missouri, Virginia, Maryland, Wisconsin, Minnesota...should I go on? Or should we go with your theory of NY, NJ, CA, AR, OK and TN being "swing states"? OH and NH are truly the only "swing states" she's won, and performance in the primary doesn't correlate to the general, as much as the Hillary supporters might like it to. Sorry if this is indelicate, but your argument sucks.
Again, so you hope. You have to be kidding with this. Clinton said the guy "passed the commander-in-chief test", yet because Obama said McCain won't suck as much as Bush did, THAT's what's going to get the Obamacans reconsidering their choice? Huh? Do you actually believe that bullshit?
Good luck with that. Supers are a lot smarter, apparently, than Clinton takes them for. Shows why I have more fingers and toes than she has supers since Super Tuesday.
More like 3.5-to-1, according to, well, the Clinton campaign...
I want to have a healthy debate with the folks on the other side, but stuff like this makes me really question your honesty and intelligence.
The guy was down over 20 points in PA, and he's shaved that down to anywhere between 5-10 points as it stands. And that's just polling, which he tends to outperform (WI, every other state he won during that 12-state win streak, including VT).
He's up in NC big time and she has neither the money nor the time to cut into that. Forget about NC. He's up in IN, where her demos are very strong. Why's that, then?
Dude, unless a miracle occurs and Clinton wins by 20+, he's not sliding anywhere.
"Should be interesting to see how his campaign is going to repackage this comment all day Monday."
See, for intelligent folks, there's nothing to repackage. This is not a gaffe. It's not even a misstatement. If I'm Obama, I ignore it and move on to STUFF THAT ACTUALLY AFFECTS THE COUNTRY. Just saying.
April 21, 2008 2:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, sorry to sound provocative. I'm just tired. Why don't we see if the Obama camp tries to spin or ignore the comment? If the Obama camp spins it, then we can reasonably guess they think something is wrong with it. Deal?
I do understand your argument that Clinton's praise of McCain's credentials over Obama's is sacrilegious to liberals (and therefore qualifies as a "gaffe"). When liberals hear Clinton's comment, they are outraged. I think when conservatives hear Clinton's comment, however, they may pause and say, "What did she say?" In pausing, they may take a fresh look at her. I think Clinton said that about McCain as a deliberate attempt to pull moderate conservatives' attention away from Obama and McCain and toward her.
I think Obama's comment is different because he already appeals to moderate Republicans who are disgruntled with their party. But if Obama tells moderate Republicans that McCain is really okay for prez (after all, McCain is clearly better than Bush the leper), then they may pause and give McCain another look. Also, Obama did not say this deliberately; it was off-script.
The difference between the comments is that Clinton's pulled attention to her (because moderate conservatives are not her demographic). Obama's comment steers attention away from him (because moderate conservatives are his demographic, and he's giving them another choice besides him). Driving positive attention to another candidate could qualify as a "gaffe" for Obama.
This is where I saw the 5 to 1 spending comparison, btw. Don't know if it's more accurate than Clinton's figure.
April 21, 2008 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess. I think that if they felt the need to spin, it would've happened already.
No offense, but I think that's really nuts.
Why would they need to take a fresh look at her if she's already rubber-stamping John McCain in the same process? And make no mistake - that CiC comment was a direct shot at Obama, and nothing more. The fact she heaped praise for McCain on top of it make it even more puerile.
How much of an endorsement is it to be told that you're better than a leper? And not better than the Dems, at that? Come on. McCain tries to use that statement, and he'll only look foolish.
If you really think that qualifies as "positive" attention for McCain - being told he's worse than the Dems, but better than Bush - is the very definition of damning with faint praise. Come on.
It's not like the moderate conservatives didn't know McCain was running, guy. Also, it's not like they were waiting on Obama's blessing - which he DIDN'T GIVE - to choose McCain over him. You're reading way, way too much into this.
April 21, 2008 3:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not talking about you or me or people who know the context, the history, the extended back-and-forth of the Democratic contest. The average person doesn't spend all day (or night) parsing these things. They read the paper and watch the news and that's it, if they do that much. They take away the simplest part of the message. In this case, "McCain would be better than Bush" is the takeaway. I'm trying to read as little as possible into it. I'm trying to imagine how such a simple sound bite might resonate to conservatives, who happen to make up the bulk of voters in PA. I already know how liberals will process it! But why would I assume everyone is going to hear it the way liberals do? Go ahead and call me crazy for assuming that not everyone thinks the same as you do.
April 21, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Being better than Bush is a pretty low bar to pass.
Just about ANYONE would be better than Bush.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/04/15/its-official-bush-is-objectively-the-most-hated-president-in-history/
April 21, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which Hillary Clinton is quoted in this post? Is it the one who endorsed John McCain's commander-in-chief credentials, or the soulless pol who will exploit anything to destroy the presumptive Democratic nominee.
p.s: As much as I detest Hillary, I'm really starting to dislike Obama's tendency to say stupid things. Is this man ready for prime time? First the sublime patriotism of flag pins, then the 'cling' comments and now McCain is better than Bush? Sheesh!
April 21, 2008 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
How is this comment "stupid" in any way? Come on. And give me a fucking break on the flag pins. You have to be kidding. He derided it as a mask behind which people who are actually wrecking this country are hiding to perpetuate patriotism. I'd rather have a president who calls it as he sees it.
April 21, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think this is a very good example of a "stupid thing," since at this point many people, myself included, feel that it would be very hard to find a worse person (or object) than George W. Bush.
From that perspective, his statement was hardly a compliment to McCain, and hardly controversial.
April 21, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
And--sorry--Eric, I don't see how this is a gaffe. Just because Hillary chooses to hit him on it doesn't make it a gaffe.
April 21, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
To Eric it does. I've never been with the "Greg's-a-Hillary-plant" meme, but this guy Kleefeld has so obviously been in the Hillary tank for months. Even I were to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he weren't, this is a sensationalist post that isn't about shit. I'd hope TPM was above being a silly rumor site.
April 21, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
No gaffe there. I agree completely with Obama. John McCain would be a better president than George Bush.
Typical Hillary Clinton hypocrisy here -- a few weeks ago she was vigorously championing McCain as having crossed the CIC threshold. Now she jumps all over Obama for saying something positive about McCain. Lady please. She'll really try to use anything. And she counts on our memories being so short!
Not short enough to forget her unethical campaign tactics and vote for her in November! No way.
April 21, 2008 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
ummm...gaffe my ass
It's been said way up thread, but how is this any different than when Clinton espoused McCain's credentials for CIC over those of Obama?
April 21, 2008 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm proud that scientific wont let this go. There was another thread topic that I had a problem with. I am sad that so many keep choosing to reply here, but hey its a free world. This is a non-issue and the only ones who think it is are the people who stand to gain, and thats the media(anything to see them and us fight, but not fight enough to end this debacle, notice how they let HRC say she was sleepy again in the last debate and no mention by the pundits after the fact)and Hillary and her supporters because they have no shame. As for HRC, Do we really need to do a google search on quotes and implications she made about Mcgrampa......I mean really.......lol
Such a Joke!
April 21, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama: The sky is blue
MSM: Huge gaffe by Obama today
Clinton: Obama cant win the GE because of this gaffe
Clinton trolls: ITS OVER ITS OVER FOR Obama HE MUST CONCEDE
Voters: WTF is wrong with them
April 21, 2008 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
you forgot McInsane:
McCain: Obama should apologize for saying that the sky is blue. This says who he really is that he is unable to understand that good Americans know that the sky is red.
April 21, 2008 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think BHO's new strategy is to have so many gaffes that the media can't focus on any one gaffe for too long.
Risky move, or genius political strategy? Only time will tell.
April 21, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
umm, lucky gaffe?
doesn't McCain have to, in order to use this, be asked, would you be better? can he say yes?
April 21, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
... How is this even news worthy? I thought it was common knowledge that McCain would be better than Bush. I mean, honestly, that's why everyone I've talked to has said "if only McCain had won against Bush in 2000". But McCain being better than Bush does not make him better than either Barack OR Hillary, nor does it suggest that he will not continue the policies that Bush has put forth. Let's be realistic here, people.
April 21, 2008 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's really played everyone here - the MSM, McCain and especially Clinton.
The reactionary, "gotcha" MSM that he just criticized earlier in the week - and who America is largely pissed at for that debate - will jump all over this, but not in the way many will think. They'll seek to redeem themselves by eagerly dismissing any notion of this as a gaffe (unless they're Pat Buchanan), and a lot of compare-and-contrast will be done with Bill and Hillary's McCain praise.
As otherguy says above, McCain will be put in a very awkward position having to say whether or not is, in fact, better than Bush. (But being the MSM, they'll likely just send him flowers.)
As for Clinton, she'll get caught having jumped the gun again, so eager to get a dig in on Obama that she managed to contradict her earlier statements. Her asinine CIC-test comment will be brought up again, and could be on a loop as of tomorrow.
Yes, this is a somewhat optimistic scenario as far as the Obama folks are concerned, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
April 21, 2008 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
One more thing - he's also positioning himself to the right of Hillary in the minds of those who only read his remark in a cursory fashion. Paired with her response, it's easy to see where he falls - even if that's not the true intention of the remark.
April 21, 2008 4:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
"We need a nominee who will take on John McCain, not cheer on John McCain." Lolol. You tell 'em, Hillary!
April 21, 2008 3:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you tell 'em!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw
Rah-rah-rah!
April 21, 2008 3:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Otto, if you truly believe this, aren;t you angry at all of the praising of John McCain Hillary has done? In fact, she elevated him above the probably Democratic nominee. Infuriating, right?
April 21, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
What he said is so obviously true I wonder why there is this manufactured controversy. Oh, that's right ... Clinton is getting really desperate. Bush is now widely considered by historians to be the worst president ever. You really can't put the bar any lower.
Seriously, it is good for Obama to show respect for both candidates. He needs Clinton's supporters in November and there are a lot of people with a good opinion of McCain that Obama would lose if he wasn't respectful of McCain.
My family is conservative enough that there will be a lot of them that would struggle in choosing between McCain and Obama. With respect to November it looks like a pretty savy move to me since I suspect people like my family will be tipping the balance one way or another in a lot of states.
April 21, 2008 3:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
And I had such high hopes for you, Eric. You've totally jumped the shark now.
April 21, 2008 4:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is going after the Republican vote. Good move!
April 21, 2008 4:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Obama is going after the white males who are considering McCain in November. Some blue collar men might be racist, but most of them will choose a white male over a white female, which means Clinton wouldn't win their vote over McCain. I grew up in a family of blue collar workers, and male chauvinism is extremely strong still. Obama knows what he is doing. It's a soft sell for blue collar male votes.
April 21, 2008 4:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't this make Hillary and her supporters look like flaming hypocrites to get "upset" over this?
http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/hillary-again-says-three-more-times.html
April 21, 2008 5:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Basically if Clinton criticizes Obama, even if it makes her look like a lying hypocrite, the media jumps all over it as a "gaffe".
It actually shows the "journalist's" stupidity if you think about it. More like a stenographer than a truth-finder.
April 21, 2008 5:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Um, that isn't a gaffe, anyone would be better than Bush, but that doesn't say much. Regardless McCain represents a continuation of Bush's worst policies.
Gaffe? Give me a break.
April 21, 2008 7:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Hillary's remarks are hilarious coming from someone who has repeatedly endorsed McCain, and talked about how civil an election would be between them because of how much respect she has for him.
What a hypocrite.
April 21, 2008 7:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wait a minute.. Didn't Clinton AND her husband infer outright that McCain was better than Obama.
Up is down. Black is white. Good is bad in the Clintonian Ministry oof Truth.
April 21, 2008 7:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Distraction. Break it down and move on.
Both Bush and McCain want policies X, Y and Z. Bad. Bush is also mentally handicapped and clinically insane. This makes him slightly worse than the senile guy whose solution to running out of toilet paper is commanding the 82nd to invade K-Mart.
April 21, 2008 8:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
@@ I can't believe this is getting reported as a "gaffe."
My 17 yo would be a better president than Bush. My 14 yo would too. I'm not 100% sure, but with the right advisors, my almost 6 yo could be ready in a couple of years.
April 21, 2008 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
The nerve of Hillary Clinton, after spending months of campaigning for John McCain. Disgusting.
April 21, 2008 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon, idiotic! Can we get a "Fake Outrage" is excellent news, please?
April 21, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a phony.
April 21, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just when I think Hillary can't sink any lower, she does. My dog would make a better president than Bush--so what? It's especially rich coming from Hillary who all but endorsed McCain with her commander-in-chief remarks. That anyone in the media actually thinks this is a gaffe, and is making a faux controversy out of it, tells us a lot more how utterly worthless the mainstream media when it comes to reporting anything matters.
April 21, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
And here was Bill commenting on McCain and Hillary:
"She and John McCain are very close," Clinton said. "They always laugh that if they wound up being the nominees of their party, it would be the most civilized election in American history, and they're afraid they'd put the voters to sleep because they like and respect each other."
Read more:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/04/another-heavy-dose-of-hillpocrisy-as.html
April 21, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink