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Obama Fundraising Email: Hillary And McCain Using "The Very Same Words" To Attack Me

From a novel Obama campaign fundraising email that seeks to raise money off the dust-up over the "small town" comments...

A few days ago, Barack spoke about the frustrations that working people in this country are feeling and said what we all know is true: that many people are bitter and angry because they believe their government isn't listening to them.

...our opponents have been spinning the media and peddling fake outrage around the clock. John McCain's campaign, which will continue the George Bush economic policies that have devastated the middle class, called Barack out of touch and elitist. And Hillary Clinton, who is the candidate who said lobbyists represent real people, didn't just echo the Republican candidate's talking points: she actually used the very same words to pile on with more attacks.

Hillary campaign spokesperson Phil Singer attacked the email on today's campaign conference call, arguing that Obama had misrepresented his own comments by focusing on his claim that folks are "bitter" rather than on the guns and religion part.

"They are trying to recast what Senator Obama said and focus on the least controversial elements," Singer complained.

But the Clinton camp didn't address the letter's charge that Hillary and McCain are using identical language to hit Obama over this.

Late Update: Here's audio of this morning's Clinton campaign conference call:


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faux outrage.

Hillary is outraged, that there is outrage over her outrage?

If you ask me, hillary needs another hobby than to be outraged over responses to her manufactured outrage.

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About time they called it for what it is.

I am so damn glad they did this.

This is hilarious! when I think about it.

Hillary is XEROXING talking points with McCain!

can we revive that old last season outrage she tried to pull from the old debates against her?

the plaigarism-gate! gasp!

Let's assume, for a moment, that Obama possesses a (hypothetical) genuine flaw as a candidate. Say, for example, that he wears polka-dot pajamas, and the electorate doesn't like politicians who wear polka-dot pajamas.

Wouldn't we expect both his rival for the Democratic nomination and his rival in the general election to issue statements decrying his use of polka-dot pajamas? I mean, if a charge is valid, you'd expect both campaigns to level it, and you can hardly fault the Democratic rival for employing the same line of attack as the Republican.

If Obama's saying: "I'm going to be the nominee, and by staying in the race, Hillary is only providing more ammunition to the GOP for the general election," the he should just say so. But this attack, as it is, is just silly.

No. We are Democrats. We do not tolerate members of our own party behaving like Turdblossom. Of course, since you are a fly, that may explain your affinity for slices of turd pie.

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Do not attack the fly. He is greater than the rest of us combined.

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No, I do not expect the same tactics to be used in a primary that are used in the general election. In the same way that I would expect better treatment from my brother in a fight than I would expect from a stranger. I would expect my brother to try to win but refrain from real injury.

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No I do not expect the same tactics to be used in a primary. Juat as a child I would not expect to have to protect myself from having my eyes gouged out in a fight with my brother.

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It gave me and error mesage and told me that the previous message did not post. Sory for the duplicate.

"No I do not expect the same tactics to be used in a primary"
In all honesty, a lot of you are acting like children, throwing hissy fits every time someone says something you don't like.

In the Republican nomination, Romney laid into McCain bigtime, running negative ads everywhere. Does anyone remember? Is anyone saying "Well, ROmney said this about you, and he's from your party, so it must be true"?
No.
Intra-party nominations are tough, and often nastier than inter-party nominations because the differences in policies are smaller.
Grow a backbone, and stop pretending that every time Hillary criticizes Obama, she's acting as a republican. If her criticisms stick, better now than later. Whoever wins the nomination will endorse the other and we'll all move on, so let's try to pass the next month or two without so much whining.

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I have no problem with her attacking him on anything that is an honest attack. I have a problem with her lying. She knew what he said and what he meant but feigns ignorance so that she can attack.

She understands why IL Senators vote present and would do it herself if she were there but attacks him for it because she knows that the low information voters migh buy her BS not knowing it is BS.

Etc.

She does not let the truth get in the way of a good argument and that is reprehensible.

Larry,

There's a distinction worth reflecting upon in your post. As I wrote above, I don't have any problem with Hillary and McCain making the same honest point about a flaw Obama possesses - in fact, I rather expect them to do so. It follows that just because they make the same point, we shouldn't necessarily dismiss it.

On the other hand, if the point is misleading, prejudicial, or wrong, I'd decry it irrespective of who made it - and be particularly irked if it was someone from the same political party.

But that implies something different than most posters are saying. The problem isn't that Hillary's echoing McCain - the problem is that they're both wilfully distorting what Obama said. So let's forget about this "Republican talking points" nonsense, and dismiss the attack because of its substance, not its origins.

hillary NEVER misleads.

never. not tolerated. ummm-ummm. no. no.

not even at 3 am, or 11 pm, or whenever it is that she's tired and talking out her mouth.

Obama's argument here is ludicrous. Yes, Hillary and McCain are both using the same words - they're using *Obama's* condescending words against him.

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Really? When did Obama say "out-of-touch elitist"?

Obama blames everybody else for his mistake. That is the gop playbook.

"Long-lost article by Obama's dad surfaces"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9610.html

More dirt and more to come.

Drop out Obama.

We want to win this time.

you can't win if you are losing the nomination.

the primaries were the proving ground and she lost mathematically, tactically and financially.

but if you want to party in Hillary's alternate universe Spring Cling festivities. it's a free country. grab your tin foi hat and shake your booty my friend.

Join her outrage bandwagon. all aboard the Spring Cling Outrage Express!

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Zohmigawd! The father that Obama barely knew wrote a paper back when Obama was a preschooler! And it said... some stuff! I don't know what it said. but it used the word "socialism!" Zohmigawd! I didn't know! That's it. I reject, renounce, denounce, detract, recoil, recant, repudiate and regurgitate Obama!

Did you read the article, skippy? Or just assume it's bad because Obama's dad is black? It's criticizing socialism.

Gotalife you need to get a life...here is a true scholarly critique of Obama Sr.'s paper:


But Kenya expert Dr. Raymond Omwami, an economist and UCLA visiting professor from the University of Helsinki who has also worked at the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, said Obama Sr. could not be considered a socialist himself

In other words, Obama Sr.'s paper was not a cry for acceptance of radical politics, but was instead a critique of a government policy by Kenya's Ministry of Economic Planning & Development, which applied African socialism principles to the country's ongoing political upheaval.

"The critics of this article are making a big mistake," says Omwami, who read the document and the associated internet debate at the request of Politico over the weekend. "They are assuming Obama Sr. is the one who came up with this concept of African socialism, but that's totally wrong. Based on that, they're imbuing in him the idea that he himself is a socialist, but he is not."

Omwami says he'd instead refer to Obama Sr. as "a liberal person who believed in market forces, but understood its limitations."

Sessional Paper No. 10 centered on the new control of Kenya's resources, promoting a form of trickle-down economics in which financial aid would be consolidated in more populated areas with the hope that positive effects would eventually be felt by smaller villages.

Obama Sr. argued against this notion, and Omwami suggests history has proven him correct since most, if not all, small communities in Kenya have yet to benefit from monies that poured into larger cities since the nation's independence four decades ago.

Obama Sr. also looked ahead to what has become a shaping force across Africa, urbanization, arguing that the government's efforts to lure citizens back to the land were futile.

"If these people come out in search of work, it is because they cannot make a living out of whatever land they have had," he wrote.

In retrospect, it was one of several warnings in the paper that would prove true.

"If you understand the Kenyan context, you can clearly see in that paper that Obama Sr. was quite a sharp mind," concluded Omwami. "He addresses economic growth and other areas of development, and his critique is that policymakers in Kenya were overemphasizing economic growth. We had high economic growth for years, but never solved the problems of poverty, unemployment and unequal income distribution. And those problems are still there."

Obama Sr.'s projections and critiques are so spot on, says Omwami, that he plans on assigning the paper to his classes in the future.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9610_Page2.html

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you're such a joke.

you do realize that, don't you?

Let's get this straight, when Obama was a toddler the father who had already abandoned him wrote a paper proving he was a brilliant liberal.

Pretty damning stuff.

The article doesn't seem to discuss it, but Obama's father was a cad. So were Bill Clinton's and George Bushes'(either of them) fathers.

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What the hell is that avatar?

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O noes! If politco.com says it, it has to be true.

Why, politico.com is more credible than Drudge even!!!!!

The funny part is the article isnt even bad

I know Greg gets a lot of grief for his editorial comments at the end of these articles. I personally am not sure what I think about them, but I'm going to be unusual today and say good on you, Greg, for pointing out that the Clinton camp totally ignored the actual point that the Obama e-mail was making.

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Hillary campaign spokesperson translation:

"Oh crap, they figured out how to fund-raise off of attacks like we did."

this is nothing new. she's proving what a terrible manager and campaigner she is.

I say, let her stay in as long as she wants. everytime she opens her mouth it's less we have to worry about in November.

Its funny how Clinton is attacking Obama for not focusing on their distortion of what he said.
Try giving this a read, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/is-obama-elitist-and-out_b_96751.html

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It's patently ridiculous for the 'Clinton campaign to complain that Obama is talking about the "bitter" remark, not the "real stuff", given that the damn Clinton campaign handed out stickers that said "I'm not bitter", AND, it's mentioned in the ad they unveiled yesterday.

What total and utter horseshit. Did anyone call Singer on this?

Hello? Anyone?

Crickets.

Stenography.

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SECONDED!

Does anyone else find it is ironic that she can say that Obama's opposition to the war isn't real because it was "just a speech", yet she is trying to take one word, completely out of context, and distort his obvious meaning beyond all recognition in order to try to brand him as an elitist so she can try to save her flatlining campaign?

That makes a hell of a lot of sense...

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Good for the campaign. Keep pressing the "Hillary is using Republican talking points theme."

Hillary as the nominee = President John McCain.

Obama had misrepresented his own comments by focusing on his claim that folks are "bitter" rather than on the guns and religion part.

What!?! Clinton's first reaction to this whole thing was:

"It's being reported that my opponent said the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter," Clinton said. "Well that's not my experience . . . Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them. They need a president who stands up for them!"

And just who has been passing out the "Proud, Not Bitter" buttons.

Mind boggles.

you can't win if you are losing the nomination.

the primaries were the proving ground and she lost mathematically, tactically and financially.

but if you want to party in Hillary's alternate universe Spring Cling festivities. it's a free country. grab your tin foi hat and shake your booty my friend.

Join her outrage bandwagon. all aboard the Spring Cling Outrage Express!

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Try giving this a read: I don't care if Obama is among the elite -I'd rather have a president who is among the elite than one who is a lying piece of shit. We already have one of those.

Hillary is despicable.

"Elitism" is the oldest goddamn Republican smear against Democrats and liberals going. That is Rush Limbaugh territory.


Didn't you know that Wellesley and Yale are state schools? They're lesser-known members of the SEC. or is it Big 12?

Anyways, did anyone catch hillary-head on Ed Schultz yesterday - Paul Begala, laying on a thick faux accent and talking aobut how on sunday after church, he and his son grilled some venizon that they had shot during the season. That he was not bitter.

This Bittery thing is just getting ridiculous. You know Hillary's camel brown suit kinda does look Elmer-Fuddish when you think about it.

Phonies.

Greg:

Did you hear anything about 11 events being staged by the Obama union United Steelworkers to protest the "faux bitter" Clinton protests?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/15/123542/084/591/493689

"staged" is the operative word.

How is this dirt? Obama's father wrote a paper that criticized the African Socialist movement. Obama Sr.'s stance and courage to stand up for his principled beliefs got him thrown out of the government. The Harvard educated man worked in a small job with the water department.

Moreover, a UCLA professor specializing in Kenya states that the article showed quite a bit of foresight:

In other words, Obama Sr.'s paper was not a cry for acceptance of radical politics, but was instead a critique of a government policy by Kenya's Ministry of Economic Planning & Development, which applied African socialism principles to the country's ongoing political upheaval.

"The critics of this article are making a big mistake," says Omwami, who read the document and the associated internet debate at the request of Politico over the weekend. "They are assuming Obama Sr. is the one who came up with this concept of African socialism, but that's totally wrong. Based on that, they're imbuing in him the idea that he himself is a socialist, but he is not."

More...

In retrospect, it was one of several warnings in the paper that would prove true.

"If you understand the Kenyan context, you can clearly see in that paper that Obama Sr. was quite a sharp mind," concluded Omwami. "He addresses economic growth and other areas of development, and his critique is that policymakers in Kenya were overemphasizing economic growth. We had high economic growth for years, but never solved the problems of poverty, unemployment and unequal income distribution. And those problems are still there."

Obama Sr.'s projections and critiques are so spot on, says Omwami, that he plans on assigning the paper to his classes in the future.

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Next up: Hillbillary, while holding her shotgun over her shoulder and a brace of ducks at her waist, will proclaim that Obama is a "Liberal." And we all know what that means.

She hasn't missed one of the classic conservative bullshit anti-progressive argument yet - so this one has to be right on the horizon.

I am a plain spoken old man. Here are some of my plain thoughts on why Hillary is bad for our party.

The Republicans are the ones who have shipped all those small town jobs overseas, with the help of Bill and Hillary.

The Republicans are the ones who have eradicated the American manufacturing base that provided jobs for those who were not capable of getting a college degree.
Here is some plain truth for you: College is not for everyone. We all know that, but yet we keep letting politicians get away with claiming that a college education, for all, is the solution to all our economic woes. That is complete bullshit. If some one is not smart enough to earn a degree then why the hell should we pretend that they are.

We can not afford to educate all of the best and the brightest now, so where is all the money supposed to come from to send all the rest to college.

Some people are born with the capacity to be great scientists or doctors or teachers. Many are not.

Many of them need to earn a decent middle class income using their hands. Manufacturing and textiles plants used to provide them with good jobs.

The Republicans and The Clintons have send all those jobs overseas.

While they were doing so, they conned the communities that were bitter about watching their jobs, pensions, health coverage, and standards of living being eradicated, with scare tactics about how Liberals are going to take away the only things that you have left.

The Republicans scared the hell out of people, who were all ready traumatized from having their economic security stolen, by brain washing them with horseshit warnings that The Democrats were coming to take away their Religion, and their Sporting and Hunting guns.

For good measure, the Republicans scared the vulnerable people into accepting that The Democrats were going to "give them gay" in the words of Homer Simpson.

We all know this is the truth. That is what Senator Obama was talking about.

The Republicans stole all the good blue collar jobs, and shipped them overseas to near slave labor nations, while all the while distracting those they were ripping off with an avalanche of Gods.Guns and Gays, Fear Mongering.

Hillary knows that is what happened. If she had a single drop of moral courage and honest leadership in her body, she would have stood up and declared that Senator Obama is telling you the truth.

She did not do that. She is not capable of taking such a principled stand with a fellow Democrat. She is unworthy of our support, and she is unworthy to lead our party.

We can do better. We must.

Amen.

Just becasue you're plain spoken doesn't mean you have to be ignorant.

Much of what you said has no basis in fact or theory.

It is your ignorance that has led you to the belief that Obama The Deceiver is the messiah, the teller of truth.

He's not. He is a blank canvas that desperate people are painting there own vision on. He really is nothing, blank, unknown, unverified.

Obama The Deceiver is really just a high-stakes gamble for people desperate to reverse the Bush years. I'm not a high-stakes gambler.

Clinton needs to win this for the good of the party and the country.

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Obama is not a blank canvas. He has a longer record of public service than Sen Clinton. He has more legislative experience, he has more comunity organizing experience, and his legal experience is in civil rights law instead of being on the WalMart board. He has demonstrated his superior leadership skills by winning cacuses. Hillary hates cacuses because you have to lead your supporters through a byzantine bureaucratic process to win one and she lacs the leadership skills to do so. He is not the messiah. He is just the best Democratic politician in several generations. Hillary is a midling journeyman pol and she has just been outclassed by him.

You know, for someone who's an "old man," you've got a pretty youthful spirit and a pretty keen mind. You've given me something else to look forward to when I get "old."

Obama acknowledged that his wording was poor, so no he is not ignoring the "more controversial" statements. The Hillary and McCain campaigns are just refusing to accept that acknowledgment. Furthermore, Clinton was pretty clear in also attacking Obama over the term "bitter". Indeed, her campaign has been handing out "we're not bitter" stickers, so they are focusing just as much on that as Obama. It's just that now they are starting to realize that Obama, the only candidate in the race that began his public service in the shadows of shuttered steel mills, might be more in touch than they had first thought. No doubt, Obama messed up but I don't see that this is something he can't recover from and Clinton's over the top response to it all is only helping him by redirecting attention to the kinds of political gotchya games people are sick and tired of.

The MSM is using these words of Barack just as they did the Rev Wright loop...this time they are hoping because it is Obama's words it will hurt him.

Obama needs to shift this message and show how it is actually is message of hope. Anyone who knows how to reach his campaign and the Senator should be sure that he gets this message from Saint Augustine ...Obama is a visionary and he sees the big picture...what happened in SF is that the big picture was being communicating with words folks could easily demonize. Obama needs to state it more concisely like Saint Augustine.

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St. Augustine once wrote: “Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.”
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Thus, it’s virtually impossible not to ask the obvious questions: (1) are we angry about what is wrong with the country and it's disasterous policies? and (2) if we are angry, do we have the courage to change it?

The opposite of hope is cynicism. Cynicism also has two daughters, indifference and cowardice. Again, as we think about how things happen, are we sitting on the sidelines not really caring about our country and it's policies? Of course the question is only the beginning of how we might think about doing something different.

The words “hope” and “cynicism” imply a conflict of some kind. Is it that we are afraid to step up to the plate to work for positive change? Envisioning the future is never an easy process. And, for certain, turning possibilities into realities seems very uncertain. Perhaps, it is just a simple matter of getting off our duff. Rather than expecting others to make the appropriate changes, maybe we should make the effort to be better exercise our rights as citizens to vote for change.

Hope and cynicism. These two words are very powerful and timely for democracy and our government. Some of us have a vision and “hope” for something better for our nation.


This has always been Obama's message, he however was answering a specific question and providing talking points to a volunteer in SF, as to how he was doing in the polls was more a result of failed policies that create fear and doubt which cause the electorate to vote for divisive wedge issues that center on guns, immigration, race and religion.

Obama simply needs to get hold of his message and he can make Hillary look stupid once again.

Only a stupid person would not be angry and bitter at the present state of the economy and loss of jobs and wages. However, people have to start voting for hope and change and not be conned into the divisive politics of social values that pitt us against one another and only allow the special interests to continue to run our government as we give up due to cynicism.

Nothing elitist in the message at all.

Obama needs to hit back and hit back HARD.

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Hillary knows that is what happened. If she had a single drop of moral courage and honest leadership in her body, she would have stood up and declared that Senator Obama is telling you the truth.

She did not do that. She is not capable of taking such a principled stand with a fellow Democrat. She is unworthy of our support, and she is unworthy to lead our party.

That's very well said liam.

She really did fuck up things badly by trying to run as a Republican and pretend that a very serious issue is meaningless and nonexistent.

I still can't believe she did this - this is so basic to being a Democrat that it is the final proof for me that she just isn't one anymore.

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O snap - I don't suppose she's doing all this in the attempt to prove to the SDs that he can't beat the Republicans when they do this?

Naw, that doesn't pass Occam's Razor.

but if she is that twisted, she's proving the opposite.

"They are trying to recast what Senator Obama said and focus on the least controversial elements," Singer complained.


Yes, how DARE Obama not "focus" on the distractions in which the Clinton camp wants them to be bogged-down?

That's CHEATING! It's ELITIST!

Now listen Obama, dammit: when we say, 'When did you stop beating your wife?', we expect DATES and TIMES, understand?

This m.o. is so Rovian, it's leaving thin, wispy hairs all over my keyboard. If anyone can't see that everything the Hillary camp is doing these days has The Mark Of Rove on it, you're effing blind, deaf, and mighty mighty DUMB.

(Where the hell is the MSM, in pointing out what a disingenuous distraction this is? Oh, sorry, stupid question...)

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Somebody should find out where Mayhill Fowler got the $2300 to go to the event. If it could be traced back to the Clinton campaign - WOW!

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This m.o. is so Rovian, it's leaving thin, wispy hairs all over my keyboard. If anyone can't see that everything the Hillary camp is doing these days has The Mark Of Rove on it, you're effing blind, deaf, and mighty mighty DUMB.

Well, Carville is with Hillary's campaign. His wife is a neo-con, who has close ties to Cheney, which just about guarantees that she has ties to Karl.

I've seen people sent away for 25 to life on less evidence.

I'll address the letter's charge that Hillary and McCain are using identical language to hit Obama over this. Both Hillary and McCain are right. What they are saying about Obama is obviously true. That's why they're both saying the same thing. It's the truth. Obama handed this issue to both Hillary and McCain. That is why Obama is trying to refocus the issue to the "bitter" remark, rather than Obama's condescending remarks about "clinging to guns and religion". That's why he wants to focus on whether or not people are angry, rather than on his elitist attitude and the cynical and disrespectful way he views small-town people. Obama avoids focusing on the real issue raised by his behing-the-back comments in San Francisco because he knows to defend himself on the subject of his attitude he would have to lie.

You're clearly delusional.

But then, I may just be inclined to look for the worst possible explanation.

Why did the Clinton campaign produce and distribute "I'm Not Bitter" bumper stickers in record time if the "bitter" aspect is not important?

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Sen Obama has epressed these same sentiments far more artfully on other ocassions. The video of his 2004 apearance on Charlie Rose discussing it has apeared in these posts. You and the clinton campaign are just being intentionaly obtuse. The people are not so dumb as you think. They are proving it by not buying this silly spin. Obama I kicking Clinton ass and will continue to do so.

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Both Hillary and McCain are right.

You dumbass - you make that your 2d sentence and nobody reads any further.

You agree with the fascists, Otto, so why should I support your candidate for agreeing with them too?

Can't TPM come up with a better class of trolls than this? Heavens. They rival anyone's for the stupidest trolls on the internet.

You are talking to Democrats, Otto - you keep forgetting that this isn't FreeRepublic.

And you are afraid of the truth. that seems to be the basis if support for Obama. He is a blank canvas that people see as some sort of truth teller.

He's Chauncy Gardner.

Well, actually not all of us Obama supporters are Democrats. Some of us just CAN'T be Republicans and some of us prefer to vote for people and not platforms.

Don't forget Karl Rove in addition to Hillbilly and McNut, get the picture. when was last time anyone of them was right on anything?

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There are videos of these damn things?

Just shoot me.

Hey, the Gallup gap between the candidates is now 11.

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Can you give us the whole Obama e-mail, or a link? Why do we get just snippets of that, but the whole damn Clinton phone call?

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He's Chauncy Gardner.

Let's see, who should I believe: Bill Richardson, governor of New Mexico who said that Obama is as good as he seems and better; or some anonymous jackass on the internet?

Hmmmm - Bill Richardson or Anonymous Jackass.

I'm going with Gov Richardson.

Bill Richardson, alas, is a opportunistic nobody.

If he is your basis for proof that Obama is more than a fiction then your vote is available to the highest bidder.

He's just looking for a cabinet or VP position.

I guess I'll add cynicism to the reason people support Obama The Deceiver.

HusseinTenaX: good call on the trajectory from Hillary to Karl Rove. And a good time for me to lay out my theory as to WHY Rove is working for Hillary:

It's pretty much an article of faith that when Hillary got blindsided on Health Care Reform in the '90's, she determined she would never again go in any direction that would cause her and Bill to lose power.

Therefore, she got into bed with the moneyed interests... the banks, the military-industrial complex, the neocons, AIPAC... and has been one of the Democratic heads of the Money Party hydra, ever since.

To maintain the Democratic "brand", she occasionally makes noises about some of the more heinous oppressions of the middle class (which were done to them by the more extreme servants of the corporate right, anyway) and appears to throw them a bone. But still, she represents who she represents, and therefore has been dubbed one of the Accepted candidates to rule.

Now she believes she's been accepted by this ruling class, and by and large, she has. The scam keeps going... and when the powers that be offer her the services of one Turd Blossom, she's hardly going to turn them down.

Make no mistake; the powers that be would rather have another solid Republican rule. They will do everything they can to stab Hillary in the back, once she gets the nod. Hillary probably feels that if they turn back on her in the general election, she now has the Clinton Machine to handle it.

But if it turns out the Money Party can't have a genuine, major league R, it's just as efficient if a DLC "monster" keeps tabs on the checkbook. It's called "hedging your bet".

The only way around all this is to take the chance on Obama. I don't know, either, if he will ultimately break our hearts. But at this juncture, the one thing we do know is that he simply does not operate from this entire nexus of monsters.

I can't see that. Surely Hillary's smart enough to see that she can't win in that scenario. When the Money Party turns on her after the nomination, she knows that she needs Big Machine protection. But from what I can see, her friends in high places in the Democratic party are getting fewer and farther between. Either Clinton went off-script or she never signed on in the first place, and has been freelance Kamikaze campaigning.

My 71-year-old luddite father in So. Fla. donated $250 yesterday. Online. Yup, he's bitter - bittering Obama all the way to the bank.

Obama needs to hit Hillary HARD on the Tunzla imaginary trip along with Bill's she is 60 and forgetful to question how she has passed this Commander in Chief threshold.

It is time for Obama to take the gloves off about Hillary. She is trying to take him down and it is time he hit back HArD.

After listening to portions of this morning's Clinton campaign conference call, I must say that the level of political discourse between politicians and journalists in America is astounding.

I was so impressed, for example, by the premise of the following observation, made by one of Mrs. Clinton's employees, that I missed what followed it.

"Uh, you know, huh, uh, uh, so ..."

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Barry Champlain! How the hell are you? I haven't seen you in a very very long time.

Thanks for the support on the comment.

Oh, I'm around, tena. Didn't much think anyone cared :-)

I always support smart people who make smart observations!

What kills me is how, sometimes, what seems obvious to some of us, is just Chinese to everyone else. Apparently, if it isn't on the Teevee, in monosyllables and hot rotation, the bulk of America hasn't got the industriousness to go read something occaionally, and figure it all out themselves.

Speaking of a day late and a dollar short, I heard something yesterday which would have made me excited, once... at this point it just makes me sick:

So Richard Belzer is filling-in as a host on the troubled Air America. According to him, a friend of his, a celebrity type, was attending a soiree where Sen. John Kerry was also present. Kerry had had a few drinks in him, and was mellowing-out nicely.

So Friend walks up and asks him, point-freakin'-blank: "Did Bush steal the [2004] election?"

Kerry just goes, "Yes." Astounded, Friend asks so why the hell did your campaign just up and QUIT?

Kerry answers that, until 6 or 8 days or something after the '04 election, they didn't have the "EVIDENCE".

Um, WHAT? You mean... after 6 or 8 days... you DID? Um, that is... you DO?!? (Holy... holy... holy fucking crap. Just holy fucking crap. Pardonnez-moi, ma cherie, but..!!)


Now, think of all the people who called some of us (and still do call us) crazy, for saying that '04 was stolen, too. THIS is what I'm talking about.

Peace out, as these kids say.

Phil Singer: Why won't Obama pick up the shovel & brain himself with it? It's not fair!

Geez Greg, why don't you just come out and endorse Obama already. I mean Hillary. Er, Edwards or someone?

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So Friend walks up and asks him, point-freakin'-blank: "Did Bush steal the [2004] election?"

Kerry just goes, "Yes." Astounded, Friend asks so why the hell did your campaign just up and QUIT?

Kerry answers that, until 6 or 8 days or something after the '04 election, they didn't have the "EVIDENCE".


If someone wants to talk bitter, for real - I'm very bitter about every single promise Kerry broke. I regret supporting his candidacy.


Howard Dean should have been on the ballot and I couldn't see it at the time - I let them talk me into thinking he was not "electable."

And that all worked out so well.

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In every election cycle ther eis a candidate who realy gets me fired up. Last time it was Dean. Every single time I get to watch them get the boot for BS like Dean did. This time my guy is finaly going to get the nomination. By winning big in the fall Sen Obama is going to show the rest of the Democratic establishment that the way to win elections as a Democrat is to be a Democrat. I am so looking forward to the end of 'GOP lite'.

"she actually used the very same words to pile on with more attacks." Obama has to be careful here, since the words that caused the uproar were his, that he doesn't come off as trying to portray himself as an innocent victim beset upon unfairly by the big meanies. The victim thing does not look good on him.

The victim thing does not look good on him.

Whereas on your candidate it fits oh-so-snugly, say, like a sniperfire flack-jacket? Or a Made-in-Colombia pantsuit? Give it up and come join the winning team. It's a lot more fun over here. No duckblind pandering, for starters.

WHY WE LOSE! Aarrgh! Some liberal pundits don’t seem to know what makes a person “elitist
http://www.dailyhowler.com/

AND ... contrary to what the Clinton-McCain campaign is peddling, Obama DID address what they both typify as the controversial of his remarks on Rural America. In an exclusive interview with Philly's editorial writers and reporters from the Daily News and Inquirer, Obama was quoted as saying:

The problem actually with this most recent episode is not that I was saying one thing behind closed door and saying something else in public. The truth is actually that I’ve made these same comments in a similar way on “The Charlie Rose Show" back in 2004 or 2005, and I had said it in town hall meetings in small towns.

The problem is that I just mangled it, which, you know happens sometimes. The point that I was making was actually two separate points that got conflated. Number One, that people who had felt abandoned by Washington and political leaders when it comes to an economy that’s falling apart, they find stability in those things that they count on – their faith, the traditions that have been passed down generation to generation and in many rural communities that includes hunting, their family, their community – those are positive things.

They also are vulnerable to, you know, explanations for why the world has changed and politicians seek to divide them,. And sometimes politicians over the last decade have used anti-gay sentiment, they’ve used anti-immigrant stuff, and there’s a long history of quote unquote “wedge issues” that I think distract from the very difficult issues that we have to deal with.

And so my syntax was poor but as a wise older woman who was talking to me the other day said, ‘You misspoke but you didn’t lie,’ and I think that’s how I feel about it, and as I’ve said these are things that I said as I was campaigning in Iowa -- and when people would talk to me about immigration and some of these other hot button issues, I’d say I think these are distractions from our failure to deal with some very critical issues. - Link

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That was a comment adding to KenM1's upthread (thus the "AND"). I forgot to click the teeny box on the left-hand corner.

frustrated clintonistas:( ARE EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

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See, all you have to do is let him explain because here's big ol' flash: the man tells the truth and you can tell.

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how come there's always a response posted from the clinton campaign anytime obama puts something out, but there's hardly ever a response from the obama campaign when clinton puts something out?

Is it because EC doesn't call and ask the obama camp for a response because they dont have axelrods number on speed dial like harold ickes? or do they ask and just don't get a response?

Im just curious as to the cause of the disparity.

Howard Dean should have been on the ballot and I couldn't see it at the time - I let them talk me into thinking he was not "electable."

(Isn't this "blockquote" thing neato? :-)

Another thing I couldn't believe was the "Dean scream"... and by that I mean, I couldn't believe what I was seeing, the same day it happened.

I'm sitting there, watching CNN, and Judy Woodruff has assumed all the gravitas of Tom Petit and Bill Ryan during the coverage of the JFK assassination. CNN must have played that tape about 45 times in a row, each time, spewing more pained, hyperventilating commentary about how Dean's candidacy would never recover from this fatal gaffe ("You UNDERSTAND what we're saying??? He WON'T RECOVER! DAMMIT! WE HAVE SPOKEN!!" :-)

And I'm watching this and going, where's the AUDIENCE on the soundtrack? It sounds like he's speaking to NOBODY!

Soon after the "story" "broke", it was all over the internets that a funky mic mix had literally changed the entire event, for the Stupids. AH! NOW the faltering Dean candidacy will be vindicated! People will all soon hear the corrected version of the event, and...

[crickets]

THAT'S the moment I knew we were living in a cheap knockoff of the old Soviet Union.

The mainstream media decides what's "news". It has nothing whatsoever to do with commonly understood forms of "bias". If it simply does not exist, then it's not even real.

I often think that these one events don't have as much effect as people think.

Bob Dole falling off a podium.

Dean's scream.

Kerry surfboarding

Surely, these are not the SOLE reasons why campaigns fail. Bush was a cheerleader, driving drunk, and missed national guard duty,and he was still elected.

Clinton had sex scandels, smoke pot, dodged the draft, and was still elected.

Obama is taking huge hits in the media, and NO ONE CARES. He still does well in most general polling.

It's not all about the media, it's about the candidate, and how they handle it, too.

This is the first time I have listened to one of the Clinton daily press conference calls. They are really BAD...in every way that can be measured. It doesn't matter who your favourite candidate is...they are just BAD.

As an ad they could be broadcast everyday and the Clinton campaign would loose votes.

My take on it is that her campaign has poor management and a lower calibre of staffing.

Thank God I am not supporting her campaign or I would be REALLY dissapointed.

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