Obama Facing Scrutiny On Lobbyists
A new USA Today article casts some doubt on Barack Obama's lobbyist policies, pointing out that 38 members of his fundraising team are members of law firms that extensively engage in lobbying, including 31 law firm partners and six fundraisers with direct managerial authority over lobbyists.
Campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said the campaign's policy of not accepting lobbyist money "isn't a perfect solution or symbol, it does reflect Obama's record of trying to change the way that Washington does business." Either way, expect the Clinton camp to hit Obama on this one, perhaps even at tonight's debate.
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Comments (58)
So? He doesn't accept their contributions. Hillary does.
April 16, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rules rules. I'm an attorney and I belong to an organization that lobbies Congress a) am I allowed to donate to Obama and b) am I allowed to work for the Obama campaign?
April 16, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you are a registered federal lobbyist (and basically all federal lobbyists are required to register), you can not donate to Obama's campaign. Your check will be returned.
If you are not a registered federal lobbyist, you can donate.
I have no idea what the rules are for working, but I would assume they are somewhat similar in terms of how they vet who they are hiring. I don't know if that holds true for grassroots volunteers; since there are thousands and thousands of them, it would be impossible to vet them all.
April 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"38 members of his fundraising team are members of law firms that extensively engage in lobbying...."
Every single large law firm in the United States "extensively engage in lobbying." It is part of their job with clients. This is better read as "38 members of his fundraising team are members of large law firms."
April 16, 2008 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
If he's a straight shooter, Obama shouldn't be saying he doesn't accept money from them nor is he any different than the politician he criticizes.
He misled in an ad in PA as well. He said he doesn't take money from oil. That is disingenuous because it's illegal to do so. If anyone did, he'll be arrested.
April 16, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
He doesn't take money from the oil industry Political Action Committees or lobbyists or from the pharmaceutical industry PACs or lobbyists, the finance industry PACs or lobbyists, etc. The list of industries with PACs and lobbyists goes on and on and on.
What this total non-story really shows is that as large national law firms have grown to hundreds or thousands of lawyers, most have opened a D.C. office with a lobbying arm. However, to tie every lawyer in the firm to those few who lobby is beyond ridiculous. They may very well not even know each other and have never met.
Hillary is fine with donations from those industries. It's a big difference. We certainly don't want our Democratic nominee for President to be beholden to these groups.
April 16, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes Yotin, Clinton is much more of a straight shooter on this issue. She takes money from lobbiest and makes no bones about it. In fact she has excepted more Lobby money than any other candidate http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp
So it is really helpful for the candidate the accepts the most Lobby money to point out how Obama has accepted money from members of a law firm that works for Lobbyist. If anyone knows the in and outs of Lobby money - that surely would be Hillary.
With democrats like this, who needs republicans?
April 16, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you. This is such crap.
April 16, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
And what kinds of lobbyists? Many law firms have lobbying departments, who cares if someone works in the same office as lobbyists? The important thing is he isn't getting flooded with lobbyist cash like Hillary and McCain.
She can try to "hit him" with this, but it is just going to get spun around and give him an opening to attack her on her lobbyist ties, while making her look like a giant hypocrite for trying to draw ridiculous connections out of desperation.
April 16, 2008 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eric, you REALLY think Clinton is going to hit him with this? Really? I mean, c'mon. Really Eric?
April 16, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama picks up another super delegate toda from Indiana! Campaign Alert from MSNBC.
April 16, 2008 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
The media didn't mention the 100 Mayors of PA who endorsed Hillary.
April 16, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's largely because it wasn't news; most of them had already done so previously, and tried to stage some sort of event in which their endorsements would carry some greater significance. Only 19 of them showed up. Perhaps that's why the media didn't bother with it.
Besides, the media was much more concerned with trying to tell the citizens that those mayors represent that they should be insulted when Obama recognizes some truths about their lives. Priorities, you know.
April 16, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, no...the sky is falling.
How much further will Obama pull ahead in the polls after he counterattacks this lame non-issue?
April 16, 2008 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
So you're saying Barack Obama takes money from people who know lobbyists? When did he ever say he wouldn't do that?
Once again, Hillary hits Obama for doing something that she claims in some convoluted argument violates the high standards he's set for himself, even though they technically do not.
Meanwhile Hillary sets no standards for herself and thus cannot ever fail to live up to them.
April 16, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a pathetic article.
Seriously...he's a hypocrite because law partners (but not federal lobbyists) from Skadden Arps, Morrison & Foerster, Foley & Lardner, Mayer Brown, DLA Piper, etc. are major fundraisers for him?
Does anyone at USA Today understand how a law firm works? That Skadden, for example, has more than 2000 attorneys practicing in 23 offices worldwide. The fact that a handful of them are federal lobbyists doesn't invalidate contributions from others of them.
Or my own law firm...400 attorneys. We've got about a dozen federal lobbyists. So is my $250 Obama contribution now "tainted" per the USA Today story.
What a pathetic newspaper.
April 16, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Andre Carson from IN endorses Obama today!
April 16, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a sure sign that Hillary has lost Indiana.
Andre Carson was heavily promoted by Senator Evan Bayh during to the state congressional seat.
April 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fundraisers for Obama are "members of large law firms that engage in lobbying"....Wow, that really is a scoop. Well done, WaPo and Bravo Eric for pushing this critical story to the forefront at great risk!
April 16, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bill calls youn voters stupid....Screw USA Today ANOTHER reTHUG DLC irrelevant paper
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/bill_clinton_ol.html
April 16, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn. We already had this conversation back in October, when Edwards and Obama were quibbling about this during a debate. Geez, USAToday is always proving how utterly irrelevant they are. I heard that next week, they'll be doing an in depth look at Mike Huckabee's Christmas ad and sitting down with GOP frontrunner Rudy Giuliani.
April 16, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
boilerplate
April 16, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eric,
I'm sure you've received enough comments to this effect, but you really need to do more background research (and present it to the readers) before you arrive at the same conclusion that USA Today has: namely, that membership in a law firm with extensive lobbying operations (which would be at least a bare majority of AMLAW 100 law firms) is tantamount to lobbying. Saying so reflects a very sloppy understanding of how "Government Relations" practices in law firms work. My firm has, like most New York firms, a very extensive D.C. office. Does that mean that by taking money from a partner in the New York office, Barack Obama is in effect taking money from lobbyist? Does it even mean that by taking money from a partner in the D.C. office, Obama is in effect taking money from lobbyists? No.
So all that's left is "Six fundraisers with direct managerial authority over lobbyists". Do you even know what this means? I don't. It could be anything from a managing or supervisory partner at a law firm to an individual in an organization that happens to be a 501(c)(4). Even then, it provides a very thin basis for saying that these folks are federal lobbyists and that the distinction is meaningless.
April 16, 2008 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish we could recommend comments. Good response.
April 16, 2008 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Couldn't have said it better. I hope Josh reads this.
April 16, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
well, speaking of law firms, you will notice black partners are few and far between. the law skools can admit unqualified students on the basis of color, some will pass the relatively easy bar exam, and law firms trip all over themselves to recruit them, because they look so nice in the firm brochure, but ultimately they just can't hack it.
well, and the people who are being fooled by Obama are basically anyone who has not attended an elite law skool and witnessed how shockingly unqualified African-American students and faculty are. In my skool, there was not one AA faculty member I judged to be a real scholar, although I can say I felt about the same could be said of a third of the non-AA faculty, notably the feminists among them. And the AAs were both acutely insecure, to the extent they realized they didn't really belong there by merit, and fiercely protective of their egos and quite, quite condescending towards people they considered their inferiors, particularly poor and working class white people. I found their behavior and lack of ability to be profoundly distasteful.
April 16, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Racist screed, anyone?
April 16, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
You might want to find a mirror--I think you may have a serious head wound.
Are you fucking serious? Because I think you were probably looking for the Stormfront website. Cretin.
April 16, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
this has to be sarcasm, right?
"skool"? really?
April 16, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
after reading this guy's other posts, I fear he is quite serious.
Just another sign how the GOP is stuck in the 1800's. (which also happens to be McCain's birthday...)
April 16, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
We need to pass a law that prevents lawyers, their spouses, their children, and their acquaintances from making political contributions. These so-called "private citizens" exert far too much influence over the political process. This is very troubling...
April 16, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem for Hillary and McCain is they are much, much, worse on this issue than Obama is.
So, sure they can accuse him of "taking money from lobbyists."
He can say, "No, I don't, but you do."
I really hope they are this stupid.
April 16, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Parsing this doesn't mean sh*t. They are all in the pocket already. Read Ken Silverstein's great Nov. '06 article "Obama Inc." at Harpers.org.
"On condition of anonymity, one Washington lobbyist I spoke with was willing to point out the obvious: that big donors would not be helping out Obama if they didn’t see him as a “player.” The lobbyist added: “What’s the dollar value of a starry-eyed idealist?”
Ok they "all are on the take" Fine. What's disturbing is Obama's denials, parsing and rhetoric. Not exactly "Generation Obama"-like. Go figure.
April 16, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, do you have any actual evidence that Obama is "on the take?"
What's the dollar value of a "starry eyed idealist"? Priceless.
April 16, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you read the article? Jeez.
April 16, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Big donors are different from lobbyists.
Federal lobbyists and PACs may not donate to Obama's campaign.
April 16, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just the usual rightwing media smear campaign.
John McCain's entire campaign is run by lobbyists. He's even slept with lobbyists!
But no, that's not news, move along, nothing to see here.
April 16, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
What complete b.s. I looked at the list of so-called "lobbyist law firms" and it's basically just a list of big law firms with wide-ranging practice areas (including the firm where Michelle Obama worked and Barack Obama interned, ooo, big surprise that he has support from there).
Lawyers have personal convictions, too, as hard as it may seem to believe, and some of them are Democrats!
It's no more accurate to say that Obama takes lobbyist money because of these lawyers' support than it is to say that he's in the pocket of Big [Unnamed] Industry because my dh and some of his colleagues just happen to be Obama supporters quite apart from any professional considerations, or that Obama is in thrall to the textile industry because Knitters for Obama raised almost $9000 for his campaign.
April 16, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
yes but only those "skeevy trial lawyers" are democrats. you know, the ones who clog up the courts with frivilous cases that cost average joe taxpayer untold sums...
April 16, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Lawyers have personal convictions, too..."
Now that... is funny. No. Really funny.
April 16, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
If he's a straight shooter, Obama shouldn't be saying he doesn't accept money from them nor is he any different than the politician he criticizes.
He misled in an ad in PA as well. He said he doesn't take money from oil. That is disingenuous because it's illegal to do so. If anyone did, he'll be arrested.
April 16, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
yotin, Sen. Obama doesn't accept money from federal lobbyists. And this article doesn't say that he does...only that he accepts money from people who know or work with federal lobbyists.
This article, and your post, are attempting to suggest that someone who is six degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon is the equivalent to Kyra Sedgwick, who is married to Kevin Bacon.
Sure...Sen. Obama can "get" to a federal lobbyist within six degrees. But he's not in bed with the federal lobbyist, as is Sens. Clinton and McCain.
April 16, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think you understand the rules, yotin. If you donate to a campaign, you have to list your employer even though that information has nothing to do with your reasons for donating.
People with jobs in certain industries are still individuals with personal political convictions. I can assure you that my dh and I did not donate $$ to Obama in the interests of the industry dh works for--not by a long shot.
So the "oil money" comes from people who happen to work for oil companies--big deal. It's not the same thing as "I work for an OIL COMPANY and I want to raise money for you on behalf of OIL COMPANIES." Obama is being completely honest, and any insinuations to the contrary are intellectually DIShonest.
April 16, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. You could be in IT, a scientist, a secretary or a janitor employed by that company.
That's far different from being a registered federal lobbyist who lobbies on behalf of the company or industry or the Political Action Committee that represents the industry in D.C.
You have to be willfully blind not to see the difference.
April 16, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is another one of those whole lot of nothing articles. Same folks will try to twist the facts to suit their ends; their is no "gotcha" here; got question? Go to the FEC website and look for yourself; separate individuals from their employers. ENUFF..........
April 16, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am a partner in a major law firm that probably does lobbying out of our D.C. office, though I don't know on behalf of whom.
It's the same thing as accusing Obama of "taking money from oil companies" because individual employees of energy companies have donated to him. I personally represent energy companies -- hell, every lawyer in Houston represents an energy company somewhere along the way. However, my political inclinations and actions are not driven or dictated by those clients.
My donations to Barack Obama are strictly on my own behalf and out of my own conscience and commitment. I refuse to be disqualified from following that conscience and commitment simply because someone in my firm might be a lobbyist or because we represent clients who have lobbyists.
None of my partners are involved and I certainly don't discuss my donations with them. I suspect this is true of the very, very great majority of Obama contributors.
April 16, 2008 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for posting the fact that the Obama camp plays with words and tries to say one thing while possibly implying another just like any other politician. Unfortunately anything slightly hinting an "anti-Obama" comment will be dismissed as nitpicking while the same old mantra of Hillary is worse always pops forth. Too bad that some are so enthralled with the Obama candidacy they can't see that he also can do or say things wrong just as easily as anyone else can.
April 16, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
True of false, cambridge1246:
* Sen. Obama has taken money from registered federal lobbyists.
* Sen. Obama has taken money from PACs.
Both are false, cambridge. And he's not claimed anything more.
April 16, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bullshit he's never taken PAC money.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/memberprofile.asp?CID=N00009638&Cycle=2006
I'm an Obama supporter but thats a far stretch of the imagination, Old33. Trust me when I say that it would be nearly impossible to maintain a campaign without PAC contributions.
April 16, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I assume they meant that he's never taken money from federal PACs or lobbyists for his presidential race, which is true.
April 16, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is for the 2008 Cycle as well. (Previous was from 2006 Cycle)
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/memberprofile.asp?CID=N00009638&Cycle=2008&CollapseAll=TRUE
April 16, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Question: Did Rose Law Firm every lobby? If so then by USAToday's logic Hillary Clinton is a lobbyist.
April 16, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rose Law firm lobbied for Monsanto (might still do that).
Monsanto is a big no-no in rural PA.
April 16, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Much, much worse to have accepted money from lawyers who work for firms that do some lobbying than to have actual lobbyists RUNNING YOUR CAMPAIGN.
Glad I got that straight.
April 16, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
here is one of the ways you can find out who your law firm lobbys for and how much they've been paid to do it...
http://soprweb.senate.gov/index.cfm?event=chooseFields
April 16, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
here is the search for the HoR as well. http://ldsearch.house.gov/
April 16, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yawn.
More trumped up crap.
April 16, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
This morning I bumped into a lobbyist on the street. I knew he was a lobbyist cause he was wearing a Yale Law Skool hat. Also cause he was white. Since I touched a lobbyist, I am asking Obama to return my contributions.
Also, Eric, nice to know The Page is a primary source for you. I read it every day too. Now I also feel qualified to shill for HRC.
April 16, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink