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Obama Doesn't "Take Fox On," After All

The Fox News Sunday interview is over. And Obama didn't take on Fox at all in any meaningful sense.

On Friday, a senior Obama adviser responded to criticism of his decision to go on Fox with a bunch of tough talk, saying that Obama knew full well that Fox has been at the forefront of spreading "the most specious of rumors" (i.e., lies) about Obama and vowing that he would "take Fox on."

Well, it didn't happen. Obama definitely pushed back hard on some of Chris Wallace's questions, but at no point did he draw attention to Fox's spreading of lies about him or critique the network in a general sense.

Obama had a perfect opening to do this, too. Wallace pressed him repeatedly about Jeremiah Wright and the bogus "flag pin" nonsense -- a perfect set-up for Obama to point out that Fox had obsessed about both these issues to an obscene degree and that Fox had been at the forefront of spreading the Obama-is-a-Muslim lies.

To be clear, Obama wasn't obliged to go after Fox. But a senior adviser said Obama would, as a way of quieting criticism of him. And he didn't.

This will likely further dismay liberal bloggers who had worked very hard to get Dems to boycott Fox as a way of deligitimizing the network and who already criticized Obama for agreeing to appear in the first place.

Obama turned in a perfectly solid performance. He probably succeeded in making a positive impression on many voters he might otherwise not have reached. But the broadcast was clearly a big victory for Fox and Chris Wallace, too.

Indeed, at the very end of the interview, Wallace told Obama to not "be a stranger." Obama's response:

"I won't."

Late Update: Matt Stoller has some strong criticism of Obama's appearance.

Late Late Update: Several of you are arguing that there was something ambiguous about what the senior Obama adviser said on Friday. Here's what the adviser said:

"He is going on their Sunday show to take Fox on..."

Keep in mind that this adviser said this specifically to mollify critics who worried that Obama's decision to appear on Fox would help legitimize the network and hence hurt Dems overall. There's no ambiguity here to speak of: The adviser was telling these critics not to worry, that the reason Obama was going on was to "take Fox on."

And this just didn't happen in any meaningful sense. When Wallace brought up Wright and the flag-pin, for instance, Obama didn't point out that these bogus stories have been pushed relentlessly by Fox or that the network has pushed the Obama-is-a-Muslim lies. Again: Obama was not obliged to take on the network. But either way, the bottom line is that he didn't do it. Partly because of this, the interview -- which was a solid performance by Obama -- was also a victory for Fox.


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What a lovefest!

He clearly needs FOX to get in the tank too.

Let's see now if the snakes retract their venom for Clinton after she went to Mellon-Scaife.

Reading comments below, Obama supporters, unsurprisingly, are mainly defending the hypocrisy of the Obama campaign. It's important for him to try to win over Fox viewers for the general election, but when Hillary interacts with Fox it's obviously another of her Rovian tactics.
Big surprise.

wait, this whole piece is not about Obama, but about some "advisor" whom you can't even name?

who is he? put a face on him, for God's sake.

next piece of news on TPM: "Anonymous French official doesn't like America. We solemnly ask the US Government to declare war to France."

Indeed, Greg's bias serves him as a better wall than window. Greg making a story out of what some unnamed adviser said rather than the content of the interview is exactly the kind of distraction that Obama has been calling the media out on. Greg, you would better serve you readers to focus on the website software (which is shaping up better and better, btw) than on posting your bias.

And the "criticism" that Greg linked to amounted to a schoolyard reaction and a link back to Greg's own article. Nice reification act, Greg.

Bingo! The "anonymous senior advisor to the Obama campaign" is NOT Senator Obama. Therefore it is patently ridiculous to suggest Obama had to do anything just because this unnamed person threw you all some bait. Get off it, Greg. (Keep this stuff up and you'll have a full-time job with Ben Smith at Politico.)

All Obama had to do was show up and do HIS thing, not yours. For Fox to be the least substantive news organization out there, Chris Wallace asked good questions, didn't play "gotcha" and showed George Stephanopolous how to do his job.

Greg, let's face it: you wrote your original post with a meme in mind and it didn't play out. Now you're trying to warp reality to fit your fantasy. Stop it.

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Furthermore, how does Greg or anyone else know to what extent he "took Fox on"? This wasn't a live interview -- Fox had the opportunity to edit it! You simply can't make a declarative statement as to what he did or didn't do in a situation where they could cut out whatever they didn't like.

FOX & WALLACE: BARRACK IS THE WINNER!

In a head to head debate with a potted plant Chris Wallace declared : "Barry was clearly the more articulate and topical participant".

The plant was sullen but challenged Barack to a follow up debate. Barack quickly accepted announcing that this forum "better suited" his platitude festooned talking head style.

He looked weak. Boring. They chewed him up in the round table afterward. If he was trying to appeal to the NASCAR crowd, Catholics and lower income whites in Indiana he blew it. I guess he's counting on ad money pulling him through in Indiana. But why go on FOX at all?

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"They" did not "chew him up" in the roundtable afterwards. In fact, Brit Hume was fairly complementary, as was Chris Wallace. William Kristol TRIED to chew him up, but failed to make his case. And that simpering Clinton toadie, Juan Williams went along with Kristol. And you are going along as well. Agreeing with Kristol. Some Democrat...

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That echo chamber will get at 'ya!

And since NASCAR came up, I should mention that these boys are in trouble if Jr. and Smoke Stewart get linked up today... They're running 1-3 right now...

billy sad, why does it hurt to have integrity?

another typical hillary ho.

lol.....

Excuse me but Barack Obama in no way went on Fox News to legitimize his attacks on Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, went to Richard Mellon Scaife's paper to legitimize the paper's criticism of Barack Obama, and used to the appearance to attack Obama.

Halle freakin lujah. When given an opportunity to roast the every lying Bill Clinton Barack showed a class that is genetically lacking in his opponent.

You make two points, one is true and the other is note.

The true point is that when Hillary reaches out to conservatives and moderates, she is painted as calculating by the media. You're right... she is painted that way and it isn't fair to her.

The untrue point is that it's hypocritical somehow for Obama to appear on Fox and reach out to red America.

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Blah, Obama goes on the network once, whereas Hillary and her supporters not only went on the network all the time, they actually praised it!

Agreed. Going on wasn't what bugged me. Claiming that FOX was the only network that had been fair and balanced did.

Indeed. Where is Hillary's supporter's (Greg's) outrage that Hillary and Bill have been touting FOX and Rush, and using them to carry their water?

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Love your avatar! I've been surprised that Barack hasn't given folks a little Illinois history lesson as we've come along so far; perhaps you'll inspire him in the general!

Those two things are in no way comparable.

Hillary Clinton was (a) clearly courting not only the endorsement of Sciafe's paper, but their unspoken aid in attacking Obama; and (b) used the appearance to launch an attack on Wright, even though she could have done so at any other time.

Barack Obama, however, did not go on Fox News to attack Hillary Clinton.

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That's some pretty disingenuous reporting there, Greg. The statement that Obama would 'take on Fox' is pretty ambiguous, and you even stated as much in your April 25 article ("...though it's unclear yet just how"). It didn't necessarily mean that he was going to be confrontational in the interview.

I think Obama had more to gain over explaining Wright and the flag-pin issues to the right-of-center audience rather than confronting FOX in front of the same audience. And he did a good job of it today.

Obama's job is not to impress internet bloggers by attacking the right-wing press. It's to present his case to the voters, and that includes those voters who watch Fox.

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you've got to be kidding me. the "unclear as yet how" was a reference to the fact that we didn't know yet what he would say in particular to criticize Fox.

And I clearly said in the post that he wasn't obliged to do this. Did you miss that line?

Delegitimizing the FOX is a worthwhile cause - getting access to the voters he needs is probably a bigger need right now.

His handlers shouldn't have made it seem that Obama was going to be combative BEFORE the interview took place.

Absolutely
That was stupid
It was actually a strong interview, if you forgive him for going on Fox on the first place, but that idiotic adviser created expectations that were bound to be disappointed.

That said, Obama cant win these days.
Dammed if he does, dammed if he does not

Yeah, but who exactly was expecting this to be a "combative" interview besides the few hundred/thousand politically-aware people who read TPM? I think that your average Fox viewer tuned in and saw a very comfortable Obama talking confidently about himself and offering honest answers about his relationship with Ayers and Wright and so forth. I think this will help him quite a bit.

Yeah. Although I doubt any FOX viewers will change their opinions soon, this was probably just a chance for him to give a delayed rebuttal to the ABC debate.

Easy publicity - without having to stand next to
Clinton, who would show him up as the least capable.

Egad! The comparative, where there are two items being prepared, is "less," not least. So: Less capable! Less capable!

This calls into question your evaluation of the candidates as well.

lol

Bull Manure and cow pucky

Horse pucky, not cow pucky.

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Bull whammy.

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No, Greg, you are kidding yourself. "Take Fox on" doesn't necessarily translate to "He's going to criticize Fox."

Nowhere in the IM the senior adviser sent you do the words 'criticize', 'confront', 'tough talk', etc, appear. You set yourself up to be disappointed on this one.

And I never said that you claimed he was obliged to follow through with your interpretation of the adviser's comments.

Wow. You are serious. Since FOX is an aggressive slime machine, "take on" does lead one to logically assume that Obama meant to contend with as an opponent per Webster's. If that's not what the adviser meant, he misspoke.

So was the "misstatement" a deliberate attempt to boost buzz by suggesting there would be a confrontation? I think the answer is an easy yes.

I actually think his legs are going. His one chance is that Axlerod can keep him out of public now and throw enough money into Indiana to squeak out a victory there, essentially ending the fight. Otherwise, Obama is going down and people will argue for years about a "phantom punch" because absolutely no one saw this one coming. He's coming across as someone who doesn't really want to be President.

Billy:

I actually think his legs are going.

I think his legs are gone. Do you think they failed him before or after the PA debate? We've been so engrossed in our family squabbles here that I didn't notice when it happened. It might have been the race speech that killed him. Having to (vs. Wanting to) make that speech would kill anyone.

His one chance is that Axlerod can keep him out of public now and throw enough money into Indiana to squeak out a victory there, essentially ending the fight.

No amount of money will win IN if his heart isn't in it. Voters can tell. He's lost IN before he ever started. He clearly doesn't like the mobile-home demographic. There's no chemistry there. And there those voters are as far as the eye can see: Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia. Millions of them, and that's with southern OH and western PA behind him! And Hillary keeps showing him her vacation slides from hanging with Janet Reno in Florida.

Otherwise, Obama is going down and people will argue for years about a "phantom punch" because absolutely no one saw this one coming.

When we roll back the tapes, will we think he really looked like a contender? Doubtful.

He's coming across as someone who doesn't really want to be President.

He doesn't want it anymore. I don't think he ever did want it. I think Kennedy wanted it.

Yes, it's all over for him. His campaign is dooommeed, doooooomed, I say! Buhahahahaha!

Just remember, you read it here first.

Actually, I don't think it's doomed. But I do think he's slowly letting go. Recycling ads, talking about the party being unified behind "one candidate" in the fall—and his critiques of Clinton and McCain sound more like they're coming from a senator again, not from a fierce competitor for the presidency. Something's changed.

I agree. But it's still hard for me to believe. I keep thinking he must have internal polls that tell him Indiana is in the bag. But then I can't imagine why he's desperate enough to let FOX own him that way. Don't be a stranger? Too much.

Internal polls? What about all the polls? They show him winning IN.

Words can be so difficult to use, the pesky things. Reporters and writers spend lots of time choosing them carefully so as not to mislead or misinform. Or so I'm told.

JimboF is right. When you "take on" a job, it doesn't mean you're fighting the job. Sorry, Greg, but Obama did take on Fox, and your title is wrong.

Look it up.

Don't blow a gasket, but I'm right. From dictionary.com:

113. take on, a. to hire; employ. b. to undertake; assume: to take on new responsibilities. c. to acquire: The situation begins to take on a new light. d. to accept as a challenge; contend against: to take on a bully. e. Informal. to show great emotion; become excited: There's no need to take on so.

Please note that my interpretation--"undertake; assume"--is there before yours.

I'm not blowing a gasket about it. I'm amused at how Obama-speak is parsed into gibberish.

By your definition:

Obama is going to undetake FOX.

Obama is going to assume FOX.

Neither makes sense. "Take on" is transitive, so it needs a direct object. FOX is the d.o.

Sorry, you're wrong this time.

Nonsense. It's taking on a task--the task here is Fox. It's linguistically exactly equivalent to "Today I'm going to take on the garage," as in "I'm going to clean up the garage."

Tomorrow I'm going to take on the housing crisis. Okay, I get it.

Readytoblowagasket, you need to take a pill too.

I am a pill, I don't need to take one.

Greg,

You have missed the main point of this by a mile. The point is not to legitimize or delegitimize the Fox network. The point was to talk to the audience of Fox, the audience that is key to 'winning the blue-collar voter' you and your colleagues in the media have been obsessing about.

Never mind that the term "blue collar' is an anachronism since all of our blue collar factory job have long-since been shipped overseas.

But let's keep using the term, since it, you know, is so accurate.

But I digress.

The fact is, that you're focusing on the trees and missing the forest. There are -- how many? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? -- of people in that Fox audience who are probably as dismayed as most of us are by the horrible and criminally negligent way in which the neocons and their front men, Bush and Cheney, have run this country into the ditch. The obscene overspending by a Republican, the support of a bloat in government, especially in the security apparatus while agencies that protect us were gutted, are all issues we have in common with more traditional conservatives. It's important for Obama to let them see that he's not a radical and scary black man, because that's the image that Fox has been peddling so far. By calmly and rationally and respectfully addressing these questions, he has done what was necessary.

I don't think you are right on this one.

I agree with PaDem. My mother will only watch FOX, she is in her 80's. All she knows about Obama is Reverend Wright is horrible un-American pastor and Obama supports abortion. Her news is ONLY from FOX, she does not have a computer nor receive a paper.

I am pretty sure this interview will not change her mind, but it might soften her feelings towards Obama. There are probably others like her that won't vote just on a moral issue.

I should add, I have not watched the interview, nor do I know what was edited to make a fair analysis.

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Back so soon?

You've prgressed from merely repeating attacks against Obama to making up your own. Nice job, Greg.

And I clearly said in the post that he wasn't obliged to do this.

Oh - but now you're harping on him for not having been confrontational. So which is it? Seems to me like a huge case of schadenfreude, Greg. Looking to pounce on the smallest thing, you chose this.

When I heard Obama was going to "take on" Fox, I interpreted that to mean he was finally going to address that as a responsibility of his campaign - to "accept as a challenge", meaning, something difficult to do. Just so you're aware that there's far more than two ways to interpret that phrase.

We all know he went on FOX to reach out to the lower income white voters in Indiana where he now has to win. But he just can't do it. So there is Chris Wallace in the roundtable saying I gave him his chance. I think she hurt him in the last debate and in the closing days of the PA campaign in ways we can't quite grasp yet.

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Greg, you seem to have made the mistake of assuming that taking on Fox necessarily meant getting into a slap-fest with them. Your assumption and your expectations were simply wrong. It doesn't reflect on Obama in the slightest. He didn't get red-faced and shake his finger at Chris Wallace like Bill Clinton did. He just calmly won him over by answering the questions that were asked. He didn't filibuster, he did't opportunistically spin. What he did was demonstrate that he is who he claims to be and that he'll talk with the Republicans to achieve comity and compromise.

The left-wing bloggers who opposed this interview need to grow the Hell up. Fox is not going to go away. The best we can hope for is for them to see the error of their ways and present the news in a more balanced way. But as long as they see the Democrats as the enemy, they'll continue to attack instead of reporting the news. I find it incredibly hypocritical of left-wing bloggers that they claim to support Obama's position on negotiating with the enemy, but he's not allowed to do an interview on Fox. You want blood? Choose Hillary. You want to see problems get worked out in a calm, deliberate way? Then Obama's your guy. Pick a side.

Beautiful! Thank you.

Depends on what the meaning of "take on" is. You've got your fixation. I think it means set the record straight, and so apparently did the Obama campaign. And nothing about his personal style would even suggest to anyone who's been watching this campaign that it was going to a slugfest. But who gives a crap anyway? Fox News is a blogosphere issue. Obama is running a campaign for the presidency. Take a pill, Greg.

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I took on a sink full of dirty dishes this evening (I've been busy and have been really putting off the housework lately). I feel pretty good now that I've finally dealt with it. I smashed the hell out of them and scattered the shards all over the house. That's what it means to "take something on," right?

Cats don't have opposable thumbs, so of course the dishes are smashed.

Greg, dare I say your line of thinking is full of shit?

If you were looking for a smackdown from Obama today, you didn't get it. If you knew ANYTHING about politics you'd know that Obama was NEVER under anyone's obligation or expectation -- not even yours!!!! -- to do anything.

Maybe you need to turn WWF or WWE or pop in the DVD of Rocky or Fight Club.

Your argument is FLIMSY, young man. It is patently ridiculous -- I'll say it again -- on its face. If this is the best you can do, with regard to your reporting, you need to give it up.

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Hey, leave Fight Club outta this!

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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GREG, STOP COMMENTING WITH SNARKY SHIT ON THE THREADS UNDER YOUR POSTS! HAVE YOU NO SHAME?

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Sorry Greg, I get your back when I think your critics are unfair, but this time I think he has a point.

You put an awful lot of weight on an "unnamed campaign official" to set expectations, but I didn't hear the campaign push this anywhere else on any other news source. Forgive us for being skeptical that you're now being hard on what you otherwise would consider a solid performance because of a source you can't even name for us.

Actually, Fox does not bother me as much anymore. It, along with with CNN and ABC have been equally favorable to the Clinton campaign, so I no longer single it out in this narrow category. Obama was talking to a Fox audience on Fox TV. Civility is something that is never a problem.

Obama's no dummy. He's kicked into general election mode in the last few days, and this is a good step in that direction. Reaching out to moderate Republicans, dispelling the fear that they have of him, and presenting himself as a sound and reasonable voice of pragmatism. I was actually hoping he wouldn't "go after" Fox, and was impressed by the tone he struck with Wallace. Interviews like this will help him in the general.

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I guess the point that some liberal bloggers will raise about this is that while it helps Obama, it also helps Fox -- which hurts Dems in general

I think the thought process was to push back against the "Obama is a wimp that cannot take tough questions" meme that Clinton had been pushing since the ABC debate and that the Obamawatch embodied.
I wish he had not but I understand winning may require small compromises.

I think the gold standard in helping Fox belongs to Terry McAuliffe this week.

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DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!

But he's not trying to win liberal bloggers anymore. He's pivoting to the general election and he's trying to win crossover Republicans.

DING DING DING! We have another winner!

"He probably succeeded in making a positive impression on many voters he might otherwise not have reached."

I agree that Obama made a tactical decision to go into the dark heart of Fox territory and be civil. Fox viewers are likely to have heard that he's a Muslim and a radical and all that, so it might not have been helpful for them to see him take on Chris Wallace aggressively.

"Some liberal bloggers." Is that like "some people say?"

My mistake. It's not like "some people say." Instead, it's like Matt Stoller. Matt Stoller criticizing Obama. Wow, there's a shocking development. What's next? Paul Krugman criticizing Obama? Taylor Marsh criticizing Obama? Oh my God, all his old friends in the media and blogosphere have turned against him now.

Ah, so the important ideological point here (or maybe just a commercial competitive point?) is that we can't help Fox. I see.

Whether or not this event helps Fox is irrelevant to me, since the more important issue is whether Obama can get a more unfiltered access to the Fox AUDIENCE.

Sheesh.

Oh, and consider this option: is it not possible that by engaging with Wallace, Obama has actually forced Wallace and Fox to moderate their usually xenophobic and radical approach? I believe Fox's revenues have probably been dropping as their biases became a running joke. Trust the search for ad revenue to make any radical a moderate capitalist.

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It only makes sense if all the democrats stick together. Hillary has been out there praising the network, etc. That makes it a lot more difficult for Obama to stay away.

I'm not so sure that Obama appearing helps Fox much. I think it's pretty much neutral to them.

Some liberal bloggers may not like it, but Fox has a big audience, and I'd say it's the audience that gives them their legitimacy, at least to that audience itself. So whether or not "respectable" journalists believe Fox is a legitimate source is irrelevant. They're tarred as the liberal media, and that framing renders any criticism it makes of Fox as a priori baseless.

Yes, Fox will get bigger ratings from an Obama appearance, but I think refusing to appear, especially when Fox is taunting you by its "Obama watch", simply confirms to its audience that you're a wimpy liberal shirking from "tough questioning".

I guess the point that some liberal bloggers will raise about this is that while it helps Obama, it also helps Fox -- which hurts Dems in general
Posted by Greg Sargent
April 27, 2008 10:10 AM


You guess this, do you! So you created this thread based on some wild speculative guess on your part. Since you have made such a big deal out of what some unknown person meant with the use of the words: "take on". how about you looking up the meaning of the words you just used: "I guess".

I'm not sure it helps Obama to look out of touch right now. He has to win Indiana. The voters he needs to get in touch with watch FOX. What do you think they saw this morning?

He has to win IN? You must be an idiot. Clearly, if he wants the nomination fight to end on May 6, he has to win IN.

But for Hillary Clinton to ask the superdelegates to abandon the party's most loyal constituency solely because he lost IN despite having won pledged delegates by 150 -- that ain't gonna cut it. Now winning NC or OR might, but still you have the pledged delegate lead, so even then she would run into serious problems.

An idiot? You think? Seems a little harsh, but if you say so. He probably has some internal polls that showing him winning Indiana, but, in case he doesn't win Indiana, watch his campaign unravel in front of your horrified eyes. You should take it more seriously. Do all you can to help him win. Go to Indiana and volunteer. He has to win that state now.

The bottom line is that win or lose IN, Barack Obama will still have a 150 delegate advantage over Hillary Clinton. And that's the sole metric we use to determine our nominee. You can talk all you want about momentum, popular votes, electoral college votes, ouija boards, etc., but the fundamentals remain the same.

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How does doing an interview on Fox "hurt" Democrats? Seriously--give us one example of how this interview will hurt Democrats.

Greg, Fox's ratings are in the toilet. It's dying a natural death.

I don't mind. The interview was okay and probably more substantive than the ABC debate was. If they're going to do a somewhat even interview, I say let them.

Has Obama ever said, "Fox News is fair and balanced?" or praised their so-called objectivity like many prominent Clinton supporters, Terry McAuliffe, Ed Rendell, and others?

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"some liberal bloggers"

But not you, right, Greg?

Another piece of disingenuous doo-doo. Going on a network -- Fox -- hurts the Democratic Party?

I don't what it is you are drinking, but it's time for rehab. It's time to go, go, go!

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LET IT LIE, GREG. STOP COMMENTING ON YOUR OWN POSTS. YOU HAVE THE BIGGER VOICE HERE IN HAVING PROMINENT POSTS. WHY BELITTLE YOURSELF SO? OTHER TPM STAFF DON'T DO THIS.

Geez, this a shitty argument. If helping Fox hurts Dems, why are you not all over McAuliffe's ass? Face it, Greg, your post was lame.

I've been looking all day for the "Terry McAuliffe is a Traitor!" headline, but I just can't seem to find it. Can you point me to it? I know it's in here somewhere . . . no, not under the desk . . . no, not in the supply closet -- oopsie! Just found some WMD ... but no "Terry McAuliffe is a Traitor!" headline.

Will somebody please help me find it??!

Why hide behind the point of "what some liberal bloggers will say" when you are posting an article complaining about his appearance?

Where is the rundown from the interview? This is a whine session with ZERO useful information.

Obama did an excellent job of taking on Fox in the sense that he is finally speaking for himself about the issues that have been distorted for weeks by Fox.

He has humanized himself to Fox viewers and that counts for a lot. His answers were spot on and this is definitely a win for him.

Completely agree. There are unreasonable viewers who will bite the Repub/FOX talking points hook line and sinker, and then there are moderate viewers who happen to watch FOX but are open to change. He's reaching out to the latter group and you don't sway them by being combative and calling their preferred news show (and by proxy, them) stupid. As much as we'd all love to see him really nail FOX, he won't win any votes that way and after all that is his end goal.

Moderate viewers... who "happen" to watch FOX? ...Are you sure about that? Most of them have travelled to another network at this point.

I agree with you, Greg, that Obama turned in a solid performance - and Fox may have won, too. Actually, I was impressed with Wallace's obvious efforts to be more straightforward about Wright and Ayers and white voters and less incendiary in tone. Maybe he wanted to show he could be taken more seriously, too? Who knows what the heck Fox thinks, but it was a pleasant interview to watch.

And as I wrote for another post here, the follow-up punditry on the show didn't seem particularly off-putting, either. Frankly, while I don't share Kristol's passion for Hillary, I do agree with the panelists that Obama needs to "get out there" more in these final days and be more assertive about his own solutions to problems - and to give us his take on important issues in the news (as blogger Gary Cohen suggested). Hillary's in the news every day for her own swan song reasons, but her resulting hogging of the limelight is something Obama should not allow, particularly because he is, as he himself noted, still far lesser known.

Overall, not a bad interview for Obama, and he got a few good tips on how to make his winning campaign look even more like a winner.

Obama is pivoting to the general. He's already got the "liberal" bloggers in his coalition. He is now reaching out to moderates and the like. I think it was a smart move. Yes, it will piss off progressives, but will they now support Hillary? I think not. Obama had to cut the umbilical, and I thought he chose the right venue.

It was an excellent interview, by the way. My support for Obama has only deepened as a result.

I definitely concur here, Chris. He is behaving like the GE candidate, and I do believe from having boycotted them for such a long time, it forced Fox to be reasonable and genial, if they hope to have him back again.

chrisnbama, I'd love to believe that Obama is pivoting to the general, but I don't think that's the case. If Hillary Clinton wins Indiana by a respectable margin, he's in trouble. He may still maintain a numbers lead, but it will not look good. And he'll lose a very important news cycle again. So let's not be naive, or just too smug for our own good, shit happens. And he's got to fight hard for Indiana votes.

So far I've only been able to catch the petreaus question (on crooks & liars -- anyone have another online source for clips from the show?), but from watching that, I agree. Also, I don't think this is about "getting the NASCAR vote" in the IN primary and the GE as much as it is about laying the framework to get information about policy to the general populace if/when he's elected. If he can explain to the Fox viewers why they should support his policies, even the people who disagree with his positions on abortion, gun control, etc., he can probably be more effective in executing other policies. And if he can get the people to support those ideas, their representatives will be more inclined to as well... I don't know if that will work, but I think things like going on Fox could be an important part of the "grassroots" strategy.

Give me a break, I'm sick of this whining about that. If he doesn't go on there their viewers will only see their side of him, he needed to go on there. And of course he wasn't going to "go after Fox", were you looking for a Hillary, "you know, I seem to always get asked the first question" moment?

He did what he does, he addressed the issues, he did it like an adult, and he tried to give the viewers his point of view.

You people got way too bent up about the interview in the first place, and put way too much stock in his advisor saying "take on". Give me a break.

I'm not sure how this "helps" Fox. It's not like Obama is cutting commercials talking about how "fair and balanced" they are.

My guess is that Obama was prepared to strike back if the interview became confrontational, but it never did. Chris Wallace actually sounded sane and reasonable; in that context, if Obama were suddenly to launch into an anti-Fox rant, he would look churlish.

Besides, Obama's whole image is to air his disagreement forcefully but respectfully. It's the other candidate who believes in scorched-earth warfare.

Sorry Greg, Obama rained on your parade by "not taking on" fox. Your shedding crocodile tears about liberal bloggers' concern is laughable.

Obama proves time and again, he is a class act.

"Obama turned in a perfectly solid performance. He probably succeeded in making a positive impression on many voters he might otherwise not have reached"

the man has repeatedly said he is running for President of the UNITED States of America

And proved that once again today

I hope (and suspect) that off camera Obama not-so-subtly implied that "you need me now, you'll need me once I'm in office, and I won't oblige unless you stop with the BS."

Fox's ratings have been slipping and by November the network won't be getting all the friendly exclusives from the executive branch. If the president and his/her subordinates completely ignore a news channel it's screwed. I'm sure they'll continue to be slanted right in a disgusting way, but even the wingnuts will tune out if it seems Fox is screaming at an empty sea.

If Obama offered such an ultimatum, I think he played it perfectly--secure more reasonable coverage in the future without alienating voters. That still doesn't explain the advisor's comment, though.

For a real smackdown of FOX, from someone with genuine stones, you'll have rewind Big Dog's epic takedown of Wallace from 2006.

That was a classic.

So when can the reruns be seen? Real clear this will push HRC over the top?

Except that Fox, and much of the MSM, spun that finger-wagging into a "look at how unhinged ole Bill has become" moment.

And, judging from his various statements, misstatements and retractions in this campaign, it looks like they may have been right.

Could you imagine if Barack Obama pulled a Clinton on Faux? I hate to tell you this, but there is much greater latitude for juvenile behavior once you are an ex-President rather than when you are running for President. Voters value the ability for a candidate to control his or her temper.

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Now, Greg...

WHO CARES what anyone's advisor or spokesperson says? And "take on" can be defined in a thousand different ways. Besides, it isn't Obama's job to discipline Fox News, no matter what a surrogate says. Hell, just going on the air and not appearing as a monster or a fool is a victory, no matter how the Fox people characterize it.

The people who watch Fox News would have had their tiny little brains hurt if Obama had (rightfully) attacked the network. They'd have been outraged. Considering that Obama actually has a chance to win some mouthbreather votes -- yes, he does, as shown by the Pennsylania Republican primary -- why in the world would he visit the Fox studios and break all the furniture?

"take on" can be defined in a thousand different ways

Actually "take on" has only 5 definitions. See?

And only one of those five supports your interpretation.

In this case, yes. See above.

And the other interpretation is equally plausible. See above.

That's still not a thousand definitions.

Agreed!

readytoblwagasket, please chill. You are mistaking connotation for definition. They are two different things.

And you're mistaking me for a dog person. Just so happens I am partial to Corgis.

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You seem to be having fun.

Shhh, don't tell anyone. ;-)

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i would have very much enjoyed BO giving FOX a rhetorical whipping, but our side occassionally seems as if it doesn't know how to modulate tone and only knows the most aggressive posture imaginable.

BO had as much to gain by going into the lion's den of republican propaganda and coming out unscathed as FOX had to lose by being thoroughly whooped like BC did during the whole Path to 9/11 non-sense. lets remember that the "take 'em on" talk came out before the interview and likely shaped the tone of the interview - sort of a heidelberg effect.

the question is how this will shape their ongoing coverage>

I agree that the title of this blog sets readers up for a disappointment. It is perfectly fine to point out that Obama did not take on FOX news, but it is odd that that would be the chief thing TPM wanted to emphasize. It suggests that TPM was hoping for a fight about an issue that most voters don't care about. Is this TPM's version of a flag-pin question?

This will likely further dismay liberal bloggers who had worked very hard to get Dems to boycott Fox as a way of deligitimizing...

So are you saying you are NOT a liberal blogger?

funny

Greg would have liked nothing better than for Obama to melt down on Fox, a la Bill Clinton's staged post-presidency tongue lashing of Wallace. Then Greg could join in the faux outrage at the angry black man on behalf of his candidate, Hillary. Instead, Obama just won over a good number of backwater Fox viewers, to Greg's apparent disappointment. But I guess that's why Greg's writing an opinion blog at TPM disguised as news and not weeks from becoming the dem nominee and months from being POTUS.

What makes you think he won them over? I thought he looked awful, but neither of us is a "backwater" voter, are we? We're part of the Progressive elite. I can't even imagine what those "backwater" voters think. Can you?

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Oh, come on, Billy--you've been siding with William Kristol all morning. What, exactly, makes you part of the "Progressive Elite?"

You probably can't see how much your support of Hillary has cost you in terms of twisting your mind and abandoning your prinicples, but it's pretty freaking obvious.

They don't look for the same things you do, and you won't know whether they saw what Obama wanted them to see until they speak, which ain't gonna happen here.

You are right. Will happen in Indiana and North Carolina next. We'll see.

What a negative post. No, he didn't "take on Fox" but he didn't have to do that today. I actually thought Chris Wallace was relatively fair. And Obama handled the interview very well.

Obama has had problems with working class whites who may watch Fox News Sunday. For those that did, I think they left with a more favorable impression of Obama.

The prize is the White House and the subsequent programs that Obama will hopefully be able to pursue as President. Lets not lose too much focus here.

I hope this will show up online as video. Call me a sinner, but I'm afraid I don't get Fox News.

I really don't know what would have constituted "taking Fox on" or how it would in any way help him. It seems to me that all he would have achieved by yelling at Wallace, or any other such talk, would have allowed Fox to portray him as "angry black man," or "whining about the media," and on and on. I haven't seen the interview yet but I'm sure he did what he always does and came across as cool and collected. That's one of his greatest assets, something that would certainly not be underscored if he went off on an anti-Fox rant.

I as much as anyone here would like to see Hannity or O'Reilly totally owned, but Obama is not the one to do it right now.

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Basically,

I don't care. I don't care I don't care I don't care.

I just want the nomination set and the clintons to go away.


Hey look over there - Bush was conducting the Marine Band last night!


Has anyone noticed Obama can win Indiana?

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Yes.


No.

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If Obama wins Indiana, he wins the nomination.

If Obama does not win Indiana, he still wins the nomination.

But if he loses he loses another news cycle like this past one after PA, and that hurts him in the general. Most Americans aren't political junkies, they tune in during coverage of the bigger events, and otherwise don't pay attention. So, while I'm not saying oh no hope, he will be destroyed, you'd have to have cornmeal mush for brains to think another news cycle like this past one wouldn't mean anything.

Right On!!

OBAMA '08

Can Obama win Indiana against Clinton?

Sure, I think he'll beat her by a 3-4 point margin.

Can he win Indiana against McCain?

The last Democrat who took Indiana was LBJ. So I'm going with no.

Well, I knew he would not take them on and reach out to the other Dems he knows he needs to win.

I doubt this intended audience drank the kool aid but at least he tried.

Also, I give him credit for not playing the race card and putting that disgusting tactic to bed. KO is a piece of crap and the worst person in the world.

But playing the victim in Wrightgate is laughable.

Victim? OMG, how pathetic?

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Whoa, and Holy SHIT! You actually just said something nearly complimentary about Obama, didn't you? I'm, like, having a hard time processing this.

If you loosen your ear straps you can process it better.

I am astounded to read your slant on this, Greg. Let's see if I get this right. Obama alone has to take on Fox and really give them a fight at a time when Clinton's sycophants are repeating the Fox tag line about "fair and balanced". I don't recall similar scathing criticism of Clinton for her campaign's coziness with the right wing media in general.

But let's say for a moment that Obama adopted a tone that you wanted (and which would not be natural for him) and gave Fox hell. What would be the news that followed? Praise on blog sites from the 0.5% of us who read them daily. And headlines throughout the rest of the media that have the McCain and Clinton campaigns crowing about how Obama can't take the heat of Fox News, which shows he can't handle the presidency.

Give it a break - this is among the most disappointing tpm stories I've read this season.

Pablo

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Can I ask an OT question?

I got a card from Bev Harris - Black Box Voting.

I gave her some money in '04. Then I heard that Bev isn't really credible and the org isn't credible.

Anyone know for sure?

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I found Bev long before she was famous.

I would think anything you've heard casting her in a bad light is noise promoted by Diebold and it's lackeys.

She's the real thing, and she gave up quite a bit to do what she is doing.

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new avatar is hilarious

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Thanks slouch!

I borrowed it from a bunch of disreputable snarkers and tweaked it.

:D

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I love it and thanks for the word on Bev.

A good one, bee.

By going on Fox Obama swatted an annoying bug buzzing in his ear and looked calm and reasonable doing so. In less than two weeks he has a very real chance of sweeping two delegate rich states. Hillary fans are biting there fingernails as we speak. She's as close to elimination as she's ever been.

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Shit she's there.

She's just pretending she's not.

Stop shooting the messenger.

It was Obama's campaign that said he would take them on.

Blame the "victim" Obama.

Too funny.

He's a fighter!

"Obama turned in a perfectly solid performance. He probably succeeded in making a positive impression on many voters he might otherwise not have reached. But the broadcast was clearly a big victory for Fox and Chris Wallace, too."

Obama is going to be president of everyone, by not attacking or shunning large groups of Americans first then asking for their vote down the road.

Fox News IS currently a major force in American politics, it would be foolish for him not to appear on that network. Not saying I AGREE with the network, but if you never tune in, you dont understand what motivates a good chunk of the people (and a bigger chunk of people who actually VOTE). The more they see BO on "their" network outside of the manufactured image, the better.

Greg is just mad that one of the carnival barkers promised him he would see a genuine "hairless dog" in the faux tent, and all that was in the tent was a shaved beagle. Aint you been to the carnival enough to be "learnt" Greg?

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Hillary Clinton was pilloried on this website for meeting with Richard Mellon-Scaife. Josh Marshall bemoaned the fact that he had defended the Clintons against the Mellon-Scaifes in the 90s and seemed to imply that somehow he was owed something from the Clintons for such defenses (dunno I thought we were defending the Democrats in the 90s, and that it wasn't just about the Clintons; guess we should have gone along with the impeachment).

So now Obama goes on FOX. I think he should go on FOX and other networks. This is America and we are in an election. But it does give this Clinton loyalist a bit of a chuckle to see Senator Obama breaking bread with Chris Wallace and, in classic Washingtonese, trying to show how he doesn't think the GOP folks are all that bad. The chuckle becomes almost a giggle when I juxtapose Obama's politically-correct appearance on FOX with what has turned out to be an innaccurate representation by the Obama campaign, namely that he would take Chris Wallace on. Fact is, Obama did no such thing, and the fact is, he did the right thing politically this morning, which is what a politician is supposed to do.

And now we have some Obama right or wrongers who turn my giggle into a downright LOL, to the extent that some are trying in this thread to suggest that "taking on" FOX doesn't mean what it means (like what the definition of is is :)).

And, finally we have folks like our own angry Texan, the incorrigible Tena, who is just sick of it all and just wants to be rid of the Clintons. That's all she wants, dispose of 'em. Well angry Tena, worry not, it's all over if Obama wins Indiana. That's all he has to do. . .win Indiana and it's all over. Stay tuned.

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O yes, angry Tena. I'm so damn mad. Jesus, bitch, I just got up. I've barely had one cigarette. Mad I'm not - I'm barely awake.


But yeah - Clinton is just fucking things up and I do want her to go away and take Bill and all that scum like McAuliffe and Penn and Carville with them.

You betcha. Time to get real and she's not.

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But Tena, even if Obama can manage to win this thing, you had better hope that the Clintons do not go away. Obama and by extension me and even you Tena, are going to need the Clintons to stay right where they are. If they do go away, which is what you say you want, then Senator Obama will remain Senator Obama. This is the Democratic Party. It is a big tent and it only stays up if we're all there to prop it up. Respectfully, if you're lucky, you're gonna have to deal with the Clintons for many years to come.

Nope! They are millenials! They can do this all by themselves, thank you very much.

You see, even if Obama loses against McCain, they still win! Don't you get it?

The real reason Obama spent 6 weeks in PA, spending 12 million dollars sending out negative mailers (with DVD's!) isn't because there is still a race going on, it was because someone needs to bury this woman forever.

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Tena, you go girl! I wouldn't vote for Clinton on any ticket for any office after the slimey racial campaign they've run. I have very strong disagreements with her on foreign policy, but I could have not voted for her on that issue and still maintained respect for our differences. But I will never get past the way she's tried to use the residual racism among older working class ethnics to defeat a fine young African American who is a role model for change. I will never vote for her.

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You aren't alone.

You and god alone knows how many of the newly registered voters and the hundreds of thousands of voters who turned out for Obama. We will not turn out for Clinton. End of story. She will lose.

She ain't going anywhere except back to Westchester with a bottle of Crown Royal and a big ass chip on her shoulder.

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Interesting. Why are you newly-registered?

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Nope.

I've been a political activist for the Democratic party since before I was too young to vote.

I started calling for the Democrats in 1968.

But I won't vote for Clinton. Not now - not after the scorched earth policy she and Bill have employed.

I am not going to reward them for this kind of behavior.

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I just missed eligibility for the '76 election and first voted for president in '80. Hated Carter, as did Kennedy and just about the entire left-wing of the Democratic Party, and I loved Kennedy and pledged not to vote for Carter under any circumstance. So I voted for Barry Commoner of the Citizen's Party (John Anderson was a GOP hack as far as I was concerned and Carter might as well have been GOP too I surmised). In so doing I helped elect Ronald Reagan, and I have trouble forgiving mysel. It was an important lesson for the young radical who I was back then.

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That's the thing Bruce.

Maybe the "lessor evil" isn't good, but the greater evil is awful.

I'll vote for the nominee.

I would have liked it to be Edwards, though.

Rough night, workerbee?

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Rough Primary season.

:)

Not as rough as some, though. Beware posters that change names AND avatars.

:D

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I like Edwards too workerbee. It is too bad. But, like you, I vote for who our nominee is and I support him or her with vigor. This notion that you vote against HRC because of the war is respectable in my view (as I've said over and over), but if Iraq is paramount how do you help elect John McCain? The notion that HRC is the same as McCain when it comes to Iraq is just silly, and it is dangerous. At a minimum and unlike John McCain, as a Democrat, HRC will have accountability (strike that political) issues with left and center Democrats that will necessarily guide her.

There's lots of anger out there now. I get angry all the time. But I never, ever, ever lose sight of the need to elect a Democrat in November. And that's at least one thing in my life that I can sleep well with.

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I think it helps to post comments like yours.

At least, I hope it does. I can't help feeling like it's 2004 all over again.

I'd like to jump in to say it's not exactly just about voting for X or Y.

If the unlikely happens and the nominee is Clinton, I might be able to drag myself down the sidewalk to our polling place (just a short walk down the street) and vote for her.

But I'm not going to donate a dime. I'm not going to volunteer.

For the first time in my life I tossed $25 to a politician, Edwards, last year. Then $50 so far to Obama.

For the first time in my life I volunteered to work the phones at the county Dem HQ in 2006.

I'm hoping to help get Obama votes here (southwest Michigan, patches of blue in deep red). But I'm not going to make the effort to help Republican-Lite beat Republican if it comes to that.

Maybe Clinton could get enough votes to beat McCain, but she's not going to get the money or the volunteer energy that Obama will get. That's not a vote-for-my-guy-or-else threat. It's just the way it would be.

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I hear you Bat, but frankly, according to the polls I've seen, there is a higher percentage of Hillary voters that feel the way you do about Obama.

From where I lie, (facedown on the bar, twitching) either one is miles ahead of McCain, and I'll do my best to elect them.

Higher percentage? Or higher number?

Number of bodies in motion is what I'm talking about.

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Ah, as to that, I do not know.

Interesting question, and I haven't thought of it that way.

Regardless, I'll be giving money and time to the winner.

... the "lessor evil

Isn't that the bank that's foreclosing on your mortgage?

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Not mine. I've got a mortgage with Wachovia, and they ain't foreclosing anytime soon

(knocks on wood)

My issue with the Clinton campaign isn't that they have a bunch of apparatchiks and consultants (like Penn) working for them, since any campaign worth its salt will have people like that on the team. My problem is that HRC has made them into such a visible, defining presence. Sending these squamous assholes out to deliver the campaign's message is just a very bad use of resources.

When Hillary lets real damn politicians speak up for her, she comes of much better. For one, most politicians worth their salt are clever enough to ignore the latest screwy narrative about electability and this news cycle's media-generated "scandal". Instead, they get up there and make real arguments about why Hillary Clinton should be the next President of the United States, instead of belaboring the fact that she can be the next President of the United States. She's a natural-born citizen and she's over 35. We know she can be President already.

This problem has been exacerbated by Bill Clinton, didn't use his natural charm and hard-earned status as an elder statesman to make a positive case for why his wife belongs in the Oval Office. Instead, he decided that he wanted to be a cut-rate James Carville, which is an appallingly pathetic aspiration for a former President. Hell, it's an appallingly pathetic aspiration for a hooker or corner drug dealer.

You may think Fox is bad, but have any of you ever really taken a look at NewsMax? Try it.

One problem with this interview is that polls are showing that the people least likely to vote for Obama are the people who most frequently attend religious services. And guess who was least likely to be watching Fox on Sunday morning.

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ate Update: Matt Stoller has some strong criticism of Obama's appearance.

You have got to be kidding me Greg.

That wasn't criticism -that was a mere statement of bitching. Stoller just said Obama sucks and that's all - no substance.

Goddamn.

It was a joke, as is this entire thread. Stoller mentioned Dan Gerstein and Lanny Davis as if they were Obama surrogates, completely ignoring the fact that one is a Clinton advisor, and one was Lieberman's campaign head. Stoller's criticism was completely disingenuous, and basically just put out there to offer some criticism of Obama and elicit a response.

This post by Greg is the exact same thing. It's the reason I've begun to unplug a bit. Any news outlet, Internet or cable that's willing to gin up faux controversy in exchange for pageviews and ratings doesn't need me to validate it.

Um, you just validated it.

Stoller's post was snark, is the way I took it.

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Thanks for clearing that up.

I already said I'm barely awake and that's the truth.

We had a cold front blow in with rain and the cat and I snuggled down under the covers and went back to sleep after Mr. Tena cancelled his golf game and came back to bed.

According to politicos superdelegate tracker, Obama has whittled Hillary's lead to less than twenty.

http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/

From Frank Rich's column in teh NYT this morning:

"...But as the doomsday alarm grew shrill, few noticed that on this same day in Pennsylvania, 27 percent of Republican primary voters didn’t just tell pollsters they would defect from their party’s standard-bearer; they went to the polls, gas prices be damned, to vote against Mr. McCain. Though ignored by every channel I surfed, there actually was a G.O.P. primary on Tuesday, open only to registered Republicans. And while it was superfluous in determining that party’s nominee, 220,000 Pennsylvania Republicans (out of their total turnout of 807,000) were moved to cast ballots for Mike Huckabee or, more numerously, Ron Paul. That’s more voters than the margin (215,000) that separated Hillary Clinton and Mr. Obama.

Those antiwar Paul voters are all potential defectors to the Democrats in November. Mr. Huckabee’s religious conservatives, who rejected Mr. McCain throughout the primary season, might also bolt or stay home. Given that the Democratic ticket beat Bush-Cheney in Pennsylvania by 205,000 votes in 2000 and 144,000 votes in 2004, these are 220,000 voters the G.O.P. can ill-afford to lose. Especially since there are now a million more registered Democrats than Republicans in Pennsylvania. (These figures don’t even include independents, who couldn’t vote in either primary on Tuesday and have been migrating toward the Democrats since 2006.) ..."

These Ron Paul voters are leaning to Obama. I've talked to a number of their organizers here, and they respect him as an honest man, like their hero Ron. They know Paul doesn't have a chance, and they don't like the mainstream Republicans McCain now represents.

Wouldn't it be nice to bring them into the tent, into a new coalition that's large enough to start battering down the corporate welfare state that Bush has enabled?

I know a lot of people who formerly supported Paul and now are for Obama. I'm one of them.

Paul was the most anti-war of the candidates, and his zeal for the Constitution made him a potential restorer of basic liberties. So far as I'm concerned everything else is fine print.

Obama comes closest, of the possible practical options, to representing these values.

HRC cannot win the Democratic nomination at this point, any more than GWB was elected president in 2000. I can understand that for her supporters that the fact that its possible with enough rules changes and selective vote counting she could be declared the winner of a tie, means we should go ahead and see what her powerful SD friends can pull off for her. I will not glorify what happened in 2000 by saying that its ok to "win" that way now.

HRC supporters who still claim she can "win" MUST BY DEFINITION agree with the SCOTUS deciding that 2000 election "for their guy". And no I DONT freaking agree with that. Over 4000 other Americans wish they still could disagree with that. Pathetic.

Forgot the link to Frank Rich's column:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/opinion/27rich.html?hp

Also, this observation is worth highlighting:

But the incessant praise for Mrs. Clinton’s resilience as a candidate by Karl Rove, Pat Buchanan and William Bennett reveals just how eager they are to take her on. The dealings of the Bill Clinton post-presidency, barely alluded to by Mr. Obama in his own halting bouts of negative campaigning, have simply been put on hold while the Democrats slug it out. Close observers of The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post and Fox News can already read Rupert Murdoch’s tea leaves, and not just those from China. “Clinton Foundation Secrets” was the title of The Journal’s lead editorial on Friday profiling a rogues’ gallery of shady donors.

Mrs. Clinton’s supporters would argue that she’s so battle-tested she could fend it all off. She’s unlikely to get the chance. For all the nail-biting suspense being ginned up, the probable denouement remains unchanged. When the primary juggernaut finally ends — following picturesque day trips to Puerto Rico and Guam — the superdelegates will likely succumb to the math of Mr. Obama’s virtually insurmountable pledged-delegate total.

"Matt Stoller has some strong criticism of Obama's appearance."

Matt Stoller's criticism is basically a link to this post. You guys are the left wing Army of Two. Just dont shoot the same way you are linking...

Once again, Obama showed he is no President Clinton. Not even in the same league.

If you spew you will take them on, take them on like President Clinton did.

Yeah! And like Terry Mcauliffe did too!


Gotalife,

Barack is in a league all his own. He has no need to compete with the distant memory of the Clinton administration.

You are the one living in the past. If that's nirvana for you, stay there. No harm, no foul, knock yourself out.

The Clinton chaos will be over soon.

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Once again, Obama showed he is no President Clinton. Not even in the same league.

So what are you saying? Obama doesn't have what it takes to get completely bent out of shape when challenged? He's not an out-of-control hothead? Or are you suggesting that he won't be sticking cigars in White House interns and perjuring himself when he gets caught?

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Stoller accused Obama of "sucking up" to Fox and said that the appearance proved that the campaign adviser lied about the impending appearance.

How is that not strong criticism?

relatedly, I added an update above

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And linked back to you.

come on Greg.

If you can find a nice substantive criticism fine.

That wasn't.

Yeah, the best part is the circle-jerk aspect of it all. Sargent links to Stoller links to Sargent links to Stoller. Clearly there's a consensus in the blogosphere!

Hey, Billy. Speaking of that, did they ever get back to you on those Weatherman pardons like they promised?

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So, Greg, how do you respond to the point that Stoller threw out Gerstein and Lanny Davis as if they were Obama surrogates?

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So Stoller has a pipeline into the brain and intentions of an Obama strategist? How else could he KNOW it was a lie and not just a strategist speaking off the cuff and saying something incorrect? When I read the post re. "take on Fox" my first thaought was, Wow, I wonder if the candidate knows his guy just said that, because "take on" (as in attack) sure doesn't sound like the candidate's demonstrated MO to date.

And besides all that, there are plenty of left-bloggy diaries supporting Obama's outreach to Fox viewers. See Kos.

Just a guess, because I didn't watch Obama on Fox, but based on how Obama operates, my guess is that he answered the questions in an intellectual way, deciding he would look better if he just looked noble and above it all.

My other guess is that since Fox is enemy territory and it has gone after Obama vigorously, Obama should have been stronger. The chances of him picking up votes from the Fox viewers are far lower than the chance of further erosion of Democratic and Independent respect. Consider what we learned from the ABC debate. What was thought to be Obama's invincible, laid-back intellectual approach turned out to be "vincible". If you want to change politics into something more high-minded, you have to first win the election, and that still requires someone who can be intellectual AND a street fighter.

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There are two kinds of street fighters - the kind that fights for you and the kind who fights for themselves and throws you under the bus.

Barack did fine this morning. He is steady on course. Hillary and the MSM will continue to pump up the hysteria until May 6th. He needs to stay focused on the issues and not the Clinton chaos.
Barack will prevail.

Your hero thinks deregulation and other gop failures are a good idea :

Read this and get to know him better:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/27/transcript-obama-on-fns/

Dude, the Clintons are all about deregulation. Remember the '90s?

Dude, the President was against unnecessary regulation.

The gop took it to no regulation like in Chinese goods killing Americans and Enron stealing their life savings.

No regulation is a disaster.

Dude, repeal of Glass-Steagall. 'Nuff said.

getalife, one of Sen. Clinton's foremost endorsers, Mr. Paul Krugman, sat on Enron's board. Shouldn't she reject and denounce?

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Could TPM/Election Central PLEASE do something about its login system?

I am constantly having to reset passwords because even when I am logged in your system does prompts for a password and then says it is invalid.

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It always tells me that first - all I do is put my password back in and it accepts it the 2d time. You don't have to reset.

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Dirty little secret about comment registration and log-in at TPM...next time you have to do the "email me my password" song and dance, and they email you the link to reset the password, it will take you to your profile page. When you've reset the password, you have to scroll down to the bottom of that page and hit a button (reset, record changes, something like that) for your password to be set. I went through this for several weeks before finding the button - because when you hit the link from email to the profile page, it doesn't open up as a full-screen page, and unless you open it all the way up and scroll to the bottom, you'll never see the "reset" button.

Once you've recorded the change, you will still sometimes get the "invalid name/password" message when trying to post a comment...just hitting the "send" button again will do the trick.

Just SEND again -- you don't even need to re-enter anything.

Isn't that what Greg is supposed to be working on?

Kinda like how President Clinton went on Rush to take him on?

His appearance on FOX was fully as awful as I expected and I hope that all democrats took this as a lesson. He let them hound him into appearing, then even after giving a very good series of interview Chris Wallace used the panel of "experts" afterwards to tear Obama down. FOX is a snake pit; if you dive into a snake pit, you should expect to get bitten. I was disappointed in Obama for agreeing to appear on FOX and nothing I saw this morning changed my mind. Hopefully this mistake will not be repeated.

I appreciate your desire to take a principled stand, but we've got an election to win, and this opportunity for Obama to demonstrate his appeal to independents was not to be missed. As I've posted before, Obama knew he could expect a fair interview from Wallace (who sees which way the wind is blowing), and there was no real downside. Also, this interview may well get more hits on YouTube and other news stations than on its first viewing on Fox.

Hey, I am all in favor of Sen Obama making an appeal to independants, but do you think that he achieved that aim this morning? I do not. If I am proven wrong about that, I will take back everything that I just wrote, but I cannot imagine that he benefitted from that appearance. People who watch FOX do not think for themselves; they watch FOX so that they can hear Bill O'Reilly and Chris Wallace tell them what they should think, and neither Wallace nor Hume allowed the least doubt as to what the viewers should think. They were solemnly informed that Obama did not connect with them. Maybe some few of those viewers come away with a different impression despite the post-interview "expert" panel, but I feel fairly confident that many more came away saying "well, if Wallace and Hume thought that he did not connect with me, then he must not have connected with me."

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People who watch FOX do not think for themselves

Of all the people who post on this site, you are one of the very last people I would have expected to make such a blanket generalization about an entire group of people you have never met. I say stupid shit like that all the time, but you? What the hell...?

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Wow. If you were disappointed by this, you're REALLY gonna hate it when he starts talking with people like Ahmadinejad.

Nonsense. We have something to gain by engagement with Iran and can maintain at least a modicum of hope that they can be expected to act in good faith. Neither of these claims can be made in the case of FOX.

Greg, if it's true that Fox viewers will believe what their gurus tell them, no matter what, then Obama at the very least had nothing to lose by going on the show. And if you're wrong and at least some people respond to him, he has gained.

As someone once said, "I came not to preach to the righteous."

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You want the world to be about enemies. That's fine, but then don't vote for Obama, because he's going to disappoint you over and over again. He's going to make friends with people you hate and make compromises with those you disagree with. And the end result will be a sloppy, disorganized mess that we sometimes call Democracy, and we sometimes call getting along with our neighbors.

You don't want Obama to justify Fox's existence by lending them his presence. Would you prefer he also stay away from the Senate when Orrin Hatch is in the room?

Greg, you amaze me. A couple of weeks ago, you put up a post asking people to say something nice about Hillary Clinton. Now you don't want Obama to speak with Republicans? I don't get it.

To be very clear, dear Mr Hrebendorf, it is not that I do not want for Sen Obama to speak to republicans. Part of what has made me so enthused about Sen Obama is precisely that he generates so much excitement and goodwill among my republican friends. Rather it is simply that I do not wish him to speak to Republicans through the medium of FOX, precisely because FOX does not give a democrat a fair chance.

Even people who watch FOX do not watch it 24 hours a day uninterrupted. There are other means of reaching these same people, and my great objection to attempting to reach them via FOX is that FOX will be sure to do just what they did this morning - present a fine interview which showed Sen Obama for the winsome candidate that he is, and then turn right around and convene a panel of "experts" to tell the folks who just watched the interview how "poor" a job Obama just did.

I gather, however, that you disagree with me. Fair enough. Lord knows that Sen Obama has been winning this race despite some rather steep obstacles, so I am entirely willing to defer to his judgement in these matters. If his instincts tell him that there is more to be gained than lost from going on FOX, then I will simply hope that he is right, although my own experience this morning still leaves me with doubts about that proposition.

Incidentally, however, do you think that all of our fellow Obama supporters who criticized Sen Clinton for meeting with Mellon-Scaife were wrong for their criticism. I do not recall that I said anything about the meeting here, but my own thoughts were much like Josh Marshall's, which is to say that I was very disappointed with her. Should I gather, however, from your own remarks on this thread that you take issue with such a view?

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"I do not wish him to speak to Republicans through the medium of FOX, precisely because FOX does not give a democrat a fair chance."

But they gave Obama a fair chance, didn't they? I thought it was a very respectful conversation.

"Incidentally, however, do you think that all of our fellow Obama supporters who criticized Sen Clinton for meeting with Mellon-Scaife were wrong for their criticism."

I don't think that's why she was criticized. If she had simply done the interview, I doubt many people would have cared one way or the other. It was the fact that she met with him specifically so she could use him as a foil that was so offensive. I don't think anyone was fooled by her defense that she was "simply responding to a direct question." THAT'S what was offensive about it.

I hope it comes through that I have a high regard for your opinion. Which is why I brought this up.

Greg, As I have come to admire your insights, I was very disappointed to read your comments, and immmediately sought clips of the interview around the net(I do not watch television and have no cable hookup). Once I watched a substantial number of clips, I felt that Obama's performance couldnt' help but benefit him. I did not see the discussion part that you refer to as a den of vipers, and I trust that it was painful. But since they're always vipers anyway, isn't it better to have Obama himself project a positive image of himself first? I think so, even if only a few people are converted. The ones with closed minds who only look for and absorb the viciousness are a lost cause and thus of no account.

It's interesting that Greg doesn't get his panties in nearly as big of a bunch when Hillary and her minions are tripping over themselves to lavish praise and make appearances on Fox...

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Greg,

Your weak and knee-jerk attempts to justify this post (by way of arguing with bloggers who disgaree with you and by your so called 'updates') is truly pathetic.

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I think Obama talking to Fox news is consistent with his pledge to be a unifier and build a larger consensus for constructive action on major issues. Just like his pledge to at least talk to foreign dictators, an appearence on Fox News does not signal his approval of their policies or methods. Dividing the politics, the nation and the world into warring camps, for me or against me, red-state/blue-state, friends and enemies, is very Bush-Clinton-Rove and it does not work. The nation and world peace suffer for it.

Many Democrats and Republicans are addicted to partisan warfare. They relish and thrive on attack retaliation attack without end, purpose or benefit. Part of Obama's appeal is that he is working to change politics as usual.

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Thanks HussienTenaX

That used to work, but now it does not for me.

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Sorry - it might not work for me now, either, since it won't for you.

Don't know.

This is the silliest spin I have seen from you yet.

This sounds like Jake Tapper's whining that Obama lied to him about copping a cigarette once or twice during the campaign in his interview with Chris Matthews.

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Senator Obama modeled reasoned, civil discourse this morning. He's bringing about change by leading by example. It doesn't fit with the pattern of politics as usual, and therefore comes as a jolt to those accustomed to the adrenalin of sensationalism. He's courageously maintaining his integrity, and by doing so effecting change already.

Maybe we could not jump on Greg, and just agree to disagree with his opinion. The tone here is pretty vicious.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Obama talks tough and then plays the compliant, non-aggressive sock puppet. Perhaps he didn't want to appear uppity.

Smackdown!

Perhaps he didn't want to appear uppity.
What the fuck?

No, seriously: WHAT THE FUCK?!

ABC News last night said that the GOP no longer wishes to run against Hillary. They feel Obama now has enough vulnerabilities that they have a better chance against him.

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Yes because we all know that Bill and Hillary Clinton are completely and totally invulnerable to criticism.

Yes they are the Super Clintons - never did a damn thing wrong in their whole lives.

Of course, Bill is getting ready to spend some time in court in LA being sued for fraud in fund raising - again.

But never mind that - Obama might have a fault or two. O yeah baby - the Republicans will just crucify him. I'm so damn scared I can't see straight. Yeah boy!!!!!

The GOP put that talking point out only in a effort to mold MSM opinion about Obama so that they will see him as "weak" against McCain and keep that meme going for all thru the GE. And if they get the added bonus of helping Clinton to the nomination then the GOP truly gets the candidate that they know they can beat.

Lots of self appointed know it all's on this site, and rude. What happened to civil discord?

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You know Hillary says don't ya?

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

That's what Hillary says.

And Hillary is what is wrong with this whole concept.

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Hard for discord to be civil. Discourse could be, though.