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Obama Doesn't "Take Fox On," After All

The Fox News Sunday interview is over. And Obama didn't take on Fox at all in any meaningful sense.

On Friday, a senior Obama adviser responded to criticism of his decision to go on Fox with a bunch of tough talk, saying that Obama knew full well that Fox has been at the forefront of spreading "the most specious of rumors" (i.e., lies) about Obama and vowing that he would "take Fox on."

Well, it didn't happen. Obama definitely pushed back hard on some of Chris Wallace's questions, but at no point did he draw attention to Fox's spreading of lies about him or critique the network in a general sense.

Obama had a perfect opening to do this, too. Wallace pressed him repeatedly about Jeremiah Wright and the bogus "flag pin" nonsense -- a perfect set-up for Obama to point out that Fox had obsessed about both these issues to an obscene degree and that Fox had been at the forefront of spreading the Obama-is-a-Muslim lies.

To be clear, Obama wasn't obliged to go after Fox. But a senior adviser said Obama would, as a way of quieting criticism of him. And he didn't.

This will likely further dismay liberal bloggers who had worked very hard to get Dems to boycott Fox as a way of deligitimizing the network and who already criticized Obama for agreeing to appear in the first place.

Obama turned in a perfectly solid performance. He probably succeeded in making a positive impression on many voters he might otherwise not have reached. But the broadcast was clearly a big victory for Fox and Chris Wallace, too.

Indeed, at the very end of the interview, Wallace told Obama to not "be a stranger." Obama's response:

"I won't."

Late Update: Matt Stoller has some strong criticism of Obama's appearance.

Late Late Update: Several of you are arguing that there was something ambiguous about what the senior Obama adviser said on Friday. Here's what the adviser said:

"He is going on their Sunday show to take Fox on..."

Keep in mind that this adviser said this specifically to mollify critics who worried that Obama's decision to appear on Fox would help legitimize the network and hence hurt Dems overall. There's no ambiguity here to speak of: The adviser was telling these critics not to worry, that the reason Obama was going on was to "take Fox on."

And this just didn't happen in any meaningful sense. When Wallace brought up Wright and the flag-pin, for instance, Obama didn't point out that these bogus stories have been pushed relentlessly by Fox or that the network has pushed the Obama-is-a-Muslim lies. Again: Obama was not obliged to take on the network. But either way, the bottom line is that he didn't do it. Partly because of this, the interview -- which was a solid performance by Obama -- was also a victory for Fox.


Comments (632)

What a lovefest!

He clearly needs FOX to get in the tank too.

Let's see now if the snakes retract their venom for Clinton after she went to Mellon-Scaife.

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Reading comments below, Obama supporters, unsurprisingly, are mainly defending the hypocrisy of the Obama campaign. It's important for him to try to win over Fox viewers for the general election, but when Hillary interacts with Fox it's obviously another of her Rovian tactics.
Big surprise.

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wait, this whole piece is not about Obama, but about some "advisor" whom you can't even name?

who is he? put a face on him, for God's sake.

next piece of news on TPM: "Anonymous French official doesn't like America. We solemnly ask the US Government to declare war to France."

Indeed, Greg's bias serves him as a better wall than window. Greg making a story out of what some unnamed adviser said rather than the content of the interview is exactly the kind of distraction that Obama has been calling the media out on. Greg, you would better serve you readers to focus on the website software (which is shaping up better and better, btw) than on posting your bias.

And the "criticism" that Greg linked to amounted to a schoolyard reaction and a link back to Greg's own article. Nice reification act, Greg.

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Bingo! The "anonymous senior advisor to the Obama campaign" is NOT Senator Obama. Therefore it is patently ridiculous to suggest Obama had to do anything just because this unnamed person threw you all some bait. Get off it, Greg. (Keep this stuff up and you'll have a full-time job with Ben Smith at Politico.)

All Obama had to do was show up and do HIS thing, not yours. For Fox to be the least substantive news organization out there, Chris Wallace asked good questions, didn't play "gotcha" and showed George Stephanopolous how to do his job.

Greg, let's face it: you wrote your original post with a meme in mind and it didn't play out. Now you're trying to warp reality to fit your fantasy. Stop it.

Furthermore, how does Greg or anyone else know to what extent he "took Fox on"? This wasn't a live interview -- Fox had the opportunity to edit it! You simply can't make a declarative statement as to what he did or didn't do in a situation where they could cut out whatever they didn't like.

FOX & WALLACE: BARRACK IS THE WINNER!

In a head to head debate with a potted plant Chris Wallace declared : "Barry was clearly the more articulate and topical participant".

The plant was sullen but challenged Barack to a follow up debate. Barack quickly accepted announcing that this forum "better suited" his platitude festooned talking head style.

He looked weak. Boring. They chewed him up in the round table afterward. If he was trying to appeal to the NASCAR crowd, Catholics and lower income whites in Indiana he blew it. I guess he's counting on ad money pulling him through in Indiana. But why go on FOX at all?

"They" did not "chew him up" in the roundtable afterwards. In fact, Brit Hume was fairly complementary, as was Chris Wallace. William Kristol TRIED to chew him up, but failed to make his case. And that simpering Clinton toadie, Juan Williams went along with Kristol. And you are going along as well. Agreeing with Kristol. Some Democrat...

That echo chamber will get at 'ya!

And since NASCAR came up, I should mention that these boys are in trouble if Jr. and Smoke Stewart get linked up today... They're running 1-3 right now...

billy sad, why does it hurt to have integrity?

another typical hillary ho.

lol.....

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Excuse me but Barack Obama in no way went on Fox News to legitimize his attacks on Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, went to Richard Mellon Scaife's paper to legitimize the paper's criticism of Barack Obama, and used to the appearance to attack Obama.

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Halle freakin lujah. When given an opportunity to roast the every lying Bill Clinton Barack showed a class that is genetically lacking in his opponent.

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You make two points, one is true and the other is note.

The true point is that when Hillary reaches out to conservatives and moderates, she is painted as calculating by the media. You're right... she is painted that way and it isn't fair to her.

The untrue point is that it's hypocritical somehow for Obama to appear on Fox and reach out to red America.

Blah, Obama goes on the network once, whereas Hillary and her supporters not only went on the network all the time, they actually praised it!

Agreed. Going on wasn't what bugged me. Claiming that FOX was the only network that had been fair and balanced did.

Indeed. Where is Hillary's supporter's (Greg's) outrage that Hillary and Bill have been touting FOX and Rush, and using them to carry their water?

Love your avatar! I've been surprised that Barack hasn't given folks a little Illinois history lesson as we've come along so far; perhaps you'll inspire him in the general!

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Those two things are in no way comparable.

Hillary Clinton was (a) clearly courting not only the endorsement of Sciafe's paper, but their unspoken aid in attacking Obama; and (b) used the appearance to launch an attack on Wright, even though she could have done so at any other time.

Barack Obama, however, did not go on Fox News to attack Hillary Clinton.

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That's some pretty disingenuous reporting there, Greg. The statement that Obama would 'take on Fox' is pretty ambiguous, and you even stated as much in your April 25 article ("...though it's unclear yet just how"). It didn't necessarily mean that he was going to be confrontational in the interview.

I think Obama had more to gain over explaining Wright and the flag-pin issues to the right-of-center audience rather than confronting FOX in front of the same audience. And he did a good job of it today.

Obama's job is not to impress internet bloggers by attacking the right-wing press. It's to present his case to the voters, and that includes those voters who watch Fox.

you've got to be kidding me. the "unclear as yet how" was a reference to the fact that we didn't know yet what he would say in particular to criticize Fox.

And I clearly said in the post that he wasn't obliged to do this. Did you miss that line?

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Delegitimizing the FOX is a worthwhile cause - getting access to the voters he needs is probably a bigger need right now.

His handlers shouldn't have made it seem that Obama was going to be combative BEFORE the interview took place.

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Absolutely
That was stupid
It was actually a strong interview, if you forgive him for going on Fox on the first place, but that idiotic adviser created expectations that were bound to be disappointed.

That said, Obama cant win these days.
Dammed if he does, dammed if he does not

Yeah, but who exactly was expecting this to be a "combative" interview besides the few hundred/thousand politically-aware people who read TPM? I think that your average Fox viewer tuned in and saw a very comfortable Obama talking confidently about himself and offering honest answers about his relationship with Ayers and Wright and so forth. I think this will help him quite a bit.

Yeah. Although I doubt any FOX viewers will change their opinions soon, this was probably just a chance for him to give a delayed rebuttal to the ABC debate.

Easy publicity - without having to stand next to
Clinton, who would show him up as the least capable.

Egad! The comparative, where there are two items being prepared, is "less," not least. So: Less capable! Less capable!

This calls into question your evaluation of the candidates as well.

lol

Bull Manure and cow pucky

Horse pucky, not cow pucky.

Bull whammy.

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No, Greg, you are kidding yourself. "Take Fox on" doesn't necessarily translate to "He's going to criticize Fox."

Nowhere in the IM the senior adviser sent you do the words 'criticize', 'confront', 'tough talk', etc, appear. You set yourself up to be disappointed on this one.

And I never said that you claimed he was obliged to follow through with your interpretation of the adviser's comments.

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Wow. You are serious. Since FOX is an aggressive slime machine, "take on" does lead one to logically assume that Obama meant to contend with as an opponent per Webster's. If that's not what the adviser meant, he misspoke.

So was the "misstatement" a deliberate attempt to boost buzz by suggesting there would be a confrontation? I think the answer is an easy yes.

I actually think his legs are going. His one chance is that Axlerod can keep him out of public now and throw enough money into Indiana to squeak out a victory there, essentially ending the fight. Otherwise, Obama is going down and people will argue for years about a "phantom punch" because absolutely no one saw this one coming. He's coming across as someone who doesn't really want to be President.

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Billy:

I actually think his legs are going.

I think his legs are gone. Do you think they failed him before or after the PA debate? We've been so engrossed in our family squabbles here that I didn't notice when it happened. It might have been the race speech that killed him. Having to (vs. Wanting to) make that speech would kill anyone.

His one chance is that Axlerod can keep him out of public now and throw enough money into Indiana to squeak out a victory there, essentially ending the fight.

No amount of money will win IN if his heart isn't in it. Voters can tell. He's lost IN before he ever started. He clearly doesn't like the mobile-home demographic. There's no chemistry there. And there those voters are as far as the eye can see: Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia. Millions of them, and that's with southern OH and western PA behind him! And Hillary keeps showing him her vacation slides from hanging with Janet Reno in Florida.

Otherwise, Obama is going down and people will argue for years about a "phantom punch" because absolutely no one saw this one coming.

When we roll back the tapes, will we think he really looked like a contender? Doubtful.

He's coming across as someone who doesn't really want to be President.

He doesn't want it anymore. I don't think he ever did want it. I think Kennedy wanted it.

Yes, it's all over for him. His campaign is dooommeed, doooooomed, I say! Buhahahahaha!

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Just remember, you read it here first.

Actually, I don't think it's doomed. But I do think he's slowly letting go. Recycling ads, talking about the party being unified behind "one candidate" in the fall—and his critiques of Clinton and McCain sound more like they're coming from a senator again, not from a fierce competitor for the presidency. Something's changed.

I agree. But it's still hard for me to believe. I keep thinking he must have internal polls that tell him Indiana is in the bag. But then I can't imagine why he's desperate enough to let FOX own him that way. Don't be a stranger? Too much.

Internal polls? What about all the polls? They show him winning IN.

Words can be so difficult to use, the pesky things. Reporters and writers spend lots of time choosing them carefully so as not to mislead or misinform. Or so I'm told.

JimboF is right. When you "take on" a job, it doesn't mean you're fighting the job. Sorry, Greg, but Obama did take on Fox, and your title is wrong.

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Look it up.

Don't blow a gasket, but I'm right. From dictionary.com:

113. take on, a. to hire; employ. b. to undertake; assume: to take on new responsibilities. c. to acquire: The situation begins to take on a new light. d. to accept as a challenge; contend against: to take on a bully. e. Informal. to show great emotion; become excited: There's no need to take on so.

Please note that my interpretation--"undertake; assume"--is there before yours.

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I'm not blowing a gasket about it. I'm amused at how Obama-speak is parsed into gibberish.

By your definition:

Obama is going to undetake FOX.

Obama is going to assume FOX.

Neither makes sense. "Take on" is transitive, so it needs a direct object. FOX is the d.o.

Sorry, you're wrong this time.

Nonsense. It's taking on a task--the task here is Fox. It's linguistically exactly equivalent to "Today I'm going to take on the garage," as in "I'm going to clean up the garage."

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Tomorrow I'm going to take on the housing crisis. Okay, I get it.

Readytoblowagasket, you need to take a pill too.

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I am a pill, I don't need to take one.

Greg,

You have missed the main point of this by a mile. The point is not to legitimize or delegitimize the Fox network. The point was to talk to the audience of Fox, the audience that is key to 'winning the blue-collar voter' you and your colleagues in the media have been obsessing about.

Never mind that the term "blue collar' is an anachronism since all of our blue collar factory job have long-since been shipped overseas.

But let's keep using the term, since it, you know, is so accurate.

But I digress.

The fact is, that you're focusing on the trees and missing the forest. There are -- how many? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? -- of people in that Fox audience who are probably as dismayed as most of us are by the horrible and criminally negligent way in which the neocons and their front men, Bush and Cheney, have run this country into the ditch. The obscene overspending by a Republican, the support of a bloat in government, especially in the security apparatus while agencies that protect us were gutted, are all issues we have in common with more traditional conservatives. It's important for Obama to let them see that he's not a radical and scary black man, because that's the image that Fox has been peddling so far. By calmly and rationally and respectfully addressing these questions, he has done what was necessary.

I don't think you are right on this one.

I agree with PaDem. My mother will only watch FOX, she is in her 80's. All she knows about Obama is Reverend Wright is horrible un-American pastor and Obama supports abortion. Her news is ONLY from FOX, she does not have a computer nor receive a paper.

I am pretty sure this interview will not change her mind, but it might soften her feelings towards Obama. There are probably others like her that won't vote just on a moral issue.

I should add, I have not watched the interview, nor do I know what was edited to make a fair analysis.

Back so soon?

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You've prgressed from merely repeating attacks against Obama to making up your own. Nice job, Greg.

And I clearly said in the post that he wasn't obliged to do this.

Oh - but now you're harping on him for not having been confrontational. So which is it? Seems to me like a huge case of schadenfreude, Greg. Looking to pounce on the smallest thing, you chose this.

When I heard Obama was going to "take on" Fox, I interpreted that to mean he was finally going to address that as a responsibility of his campaign - to "accept as a challenge", meaning, something difficult to do. Just so you're aware that there's far more than two ways to interpret that phrase.

We all know he went on FOX to reach out to the lower income white voters in Indiana where he now has to win. But he just can't do it. So there is Chris Wallace in the roundtable saying I gave him his chance. I think she hurt him in the last debate and in the closing days of the PA campaign in ways we can't quite grasp yet.

Greg, you seem to have made the mistake of assuming that taking on Fox necessarily meant getting into a slap-fest with them. Your assumption and your expectations were simply wrong. It doesn't reflect on Obama in the slightest. He didn't get red-faced and shake his finger at Chris Wallace like Bill Clinton did. He just calmly won him over by answering the questions that were asked. He didn't filibuster, he did't opportunistically spin. What he did was demonstrate that he is who he claims to be and that he'll talk with the Republicans to achieve comity and compromise.

The left-wing bloggers who opposed this interview need to grow the Hell up. Fox is not going to go away. The best we can hope for is for them to see the error of their ways and present the news in a more balanced way. But as long as they see the Democrats as the enemy, they'll continue to attack instead of reporting the news. I find it incredibly hypocritical of left-wing bloggers that they claim to support Obama's position on negotiating with the enemy, but he's not allowed to do an interview on Fox. You want blood? Choose Hillary. You want to see problems get worked out in a calm, deliberate way? Then Obama's your guy. Pick a side.

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Beautiful! Thank you.

Depends on what the meaning of "take on" is. You've got your fixation. I think it means set the record straight, and so apparently did the Obama campaign. And nothing about his personal style would even suggest to anyone who's been watching this campaign that it was going to a slugfest. But who gives a crap anyway? Fox News is a blogosphere issue. Obama is running a campaign for the presidency. Take a pill, Greg.

I took on a sink full of dirty dishes this evening (I've been busy and have been really putting off the housework lately). I feel pretty good now that I've finally dealt with it. I smashed the hell out of them and scattered the shards all over the house. That's what it means to "take something on," right?

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Cats don't have opposable thumbs, so of course the dishes are smashed.

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Greg, dare I say your line of thinking is full of shit?

If you were looking for a smackdown from Obama today, you didn't get it. If you knew ANYTHING about politics you'd know that Obama was NEVER under anyone's obligation or expectation -- not even yours!!!! -- to do anything.

Maybe you need to turn WWF or WWE or pop in the DVD of Rocky or Fight Club.

Your argument is FLIMSY, young man. It is patently ridiculous -- I'll say it again -- on its face. If this is the best you can do, with regard to your reporting, you need to give it up.

Hey, leave Fight Club outta this!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, GREG, STOP COMMENTING WITH SNARKY SHIT ON THE THREADS UNDER YOUR POSTS! HAVE YOU NO SHAME?

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Sorry Greg, I get your back when I think your critics are unfair, but this time I think he has a point.

You put an awful lot of weight on an "unnamed campaign official" to set expectations, but I didn't hear the campaign push this anywhere else on any other news source. Forgive us for being skeptical that you're now being hard on what you otherwise would consider a solid performance because of a source you can't even name for us.

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Actually, Fox does not bother me as much anymore. It, along with with CNN and ABC have been equally favorable to the Clinton campaign, so I no longer single it out in this narrow category. Obama was talking to a Fox audience on Fox TV. Civility is something that is never a problem.

Obama's no dummy. He's kicked into general election mode in the last few days, and this is a good step in that direction. Reaching out to moderate Republicans, dispelling the fear that they have of him, and presenting himself as a sound and reasonable voice of pragmatism. I was actually hoping he wouldn't "go after" Fox, and was impressed by the tone he struck with Wallace. Interviews like this will help him in the general.

I guess the point that some liberal bloggers will raise about this is that while it helps Obama, it also helps Fox -- which hurts Dems in general

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I think the thought process was to push back against the "Obama is a wimp that cannot take tough questions" meme that Clinton had been pushing since the ABC debate and that the Obamawatch embodied.
I wish he had not but I understand winning may require small compromises.

I think the gold standard in helping Fox belongs to Terry McAuliffe this week.

DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!

But he's not trying to win liberal bloggers anymore. He's pivoting to the general election and he's trying to win crossover Republicans.

DING DING DING! We have another winner!

"He probably succeeded in making a positive impression on many voters he might otherwise not have reached."

I agree that Obama made a tactical decision to go into the dark heart of Fox territory and be civil. Fox viewers are likely to have heard that he's a Muslim and a radical and all that, so it might not have been helpful for them to see him take on Chris Wallace aggressively.

"Some liberal bloggers." Is that like "some people say?"

My mistake. It's not like "some people say." Instead, it's like Matt Stoller. Matt Stoller criticizing Obama. Wow, there's a shocking development. What's next? Paul Krugman criticizing Obama? Taylor Marsh criticizing Obama? Oh my God, all his old friends in the media and blogosphere have turned against him now.

Ah, so the important ideological point here (or maybe just a commercial competitive point?) is that we can't help Fox. I see.

Whether or not this event helps Fox is irrelevant to me, since the more important issue is whether Obama can get a more unfiltered access to the Fox AUDIENCE.

Sheesh.

Oh, and consider this option: is it not possible that by engaging with Wallace, Obama has actually forced Wallace and Fox to moderate their usually xenophobic and radical approach? I believe Fox's revenues have probably been dropping as their biases became a running joke. Trust the search for ad revenue to make any radical a moderate capitalist.

It only makes sense if all the democrats stick together. Hillary has been out there praising the network, etc. That makes it a lot more difficult for Obama to stay away.

I'm not so sure that Obama appearing helps Fox much. I think it's pretty much neutral to them.

Some liberal bloggers may not like it, but Fox has a big audience, and I'd say it's the audience that gives them their legitimacy, at least to that audience itself. So whether or not "respectable" journalists believe Fox is a legitimate source is irrelevant. They're tarred as the liberal media, and that framing renders any criticism it makes of Fox as a priori baseless.

Yes, Fox will get bigger ratings from an Obama appearance, but I think refusing to appear, especially when Fox is taunting you by its "Obama watch", simply confirms to its audience that you're a wimpy liberal shirking from "tough questioning".

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I guess the point that some liberal bloggers will raise about this is that while it helps Obama, it also helps Fox -- which hurts Dems in general
Posted by Greg Sargent
April 27, 2008 10:10 AM


You guess this, do you! So you created this thread based on some wild speculative guess on your part. Since you have made such a big deal out of what some unknown person meant with the use of the words: "take on". how about you looking up the meaning of the words you just used: "I guess".

I'm not sure it helps Obama to look out of touch right now. He has to win Indiana. The voters he needs to get in touch with watch FOX. What do you think they saw this morning?

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He has to win IN? You must be an idiot. Clearly, if he wants the nomination fight to end on May 6, he has to win IN.

But for Hillary Clinton to ask the superdelegates to abandon the party's most loyal constituency solely because he lost IN despite having won pledged delegates by 150 -- that ain't gonna cut it. Now winning NC or OR might, but still you have the pledged delegate lead, so even then she would run into serious problems.

An idiot? You think? Seems a little harsh, but if you say so. He probably has some internal polls that showing him winning Indiana, but, in case he doesn't win Indiana, watch his campaign unravel in front of your horrified eyes. You should take it more seriously. Do all you can to help him win. Go to Indiana and volunteer. He has to win that state now.

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The bottom line is that win or lose IN, Barack Obama will still have a 150 delegate advantage over Hillary Clinton. And that's the sole metric we use to determine our nominee. You can talk all you want about momentum, popular votes, electoral college votes, ouija boards, etc., but the fundamentals remain the same.

How does doing an interview on Fox "hurt" Democrats? Seriously--give us one example of how this interview will hurt Democrats.

Greg, Fox's ratings are in the toilet. It's dying a natural death.

I don't mind. The interview was okay and probably more substantive than the ABC debate was. If they're going to do a somewhat even interview, I say let them.

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Has Obama ever said, "Fox News is fair and balanced?" or praised their so-called objectivity like many prominent Clinton supporters, Terry McAuliffe, Ed Rendell, and others?

"some liberal bloggers"

But not you, right, Greg?

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Another piece of disingenuous doo-doo. Going on a network -- Fox -- hurts the Democratic Party?

I don't what it is you are drinking, but it's time for rehab. It's time to go, go, go!

LET IT LIE, GREG. STOP COMMENTING ON YOUR OWN POSTS. YOU HAVE THE BIGGER VOICE HERE IN HAVING PROMINENT POSTS. WHY BELITTLE YOURSELF SO? OTHER TPM STAFF DON'T DO THIS.