Obama Camp Robocall Hits Hillary On Guns
There are still more robocalls flying around in Pennsylvania -- and the latest one from the Obama camp hits Hillary on guns, an apparent effort to push back on her criticism of his "small town" remarks about guns and religion.
The call is being pumped into the Pittsburgh area, and it features Obama backer and local sportsman Dick Lanzoni, lambasting Hillary for voting -- unlike Obama -- against an amendment to an appropriations bill banning the confiscation of weapons in emergencies.
"Barack Obama respects our traditions," he says. "Senator Clinton voted to allow guns to be confiscated, and this raises real doubts."
Over the weekend the news broke that Hillary was hitting Obama with a robocall of her own on energy.
Listen to the Obama guns call here.
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
April 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say that will probably be one of the more effective last minute ads.
April 21, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
That should be good in the Pittsburgh area as well.
April 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
But isn't that another example of negative campaigning from Obama? Oh, that's right. She started it. Why does that remind me of a child's argument?
April 21, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is it negative? I don't see that.
April 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Furthermore, this would be a huge issue for Clinton in a general election.
April 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps that's the kind of argument you best relate to.
April 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay kids, stop the bickering. Hillary, you're the oldest; you should be setting an example.
April 21, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because you are so childish!
April 21, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It isn't really negative, it is just countering her lies about Obama's attitude toward gun control. She misrepresented him and herself, Obama is doing nothing more than setting the record straight. I wouldn't call that negative.
April 21, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Repeat after me: A candidate highlighting the differences between himself and his opponent isn't negative campaigning.
She voted against it, he voted for it. Highlighting the differences between them.
April 21, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if he doesn't hit back, he's weak. Fuck you.
April 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
In Otto's eyes the truth about Hillary is negative.
April 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
robocalls suck
April 21, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Caller ID: no home should be without it.
April 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a little surprised at Obama's sudden negative turn. I wonder if it means he thinks he has a chance of shutting Hillary down completely in Penn., or whether he's worried he could get blown out.
April 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Setting facts out there and straight is not negative, but positive.
Perhaps Obama is demonstrating for the SDs how fully he can and will handle the distortions of the Republicans in the GE.
April 21, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Classic Last Minute Strategy
Don't campaign without it.
April 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's been begging for it. It's about time she got a heaping helping of her own medicine.
April 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he's just bitter.
Anyway, I'm all for it. She's been dishing it out for months.
April 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I got that anti-Obama call. Every time I get a robocall, I start cursing at the phone and then I stop for just half a second because I'm always like "What if it's really Bill!?" But nowadays, even if Bill actually called, my reaction might not be so different. I even went so far as to call the Clinton campaign to tell them to STOP calling me.
It drives me nuts because a) I think I'm more popular than I am, and it makes me sad that no one calls me except robots and b) they're calling my CELL PHONE. Way to waste my minutes, jerks!
April 21, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your avatar is blowing my mind.
April 21, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's My Lovely Horse!
April 21, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh. The upside of living in Florida: no robocalls.
April 21, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The plus side is that we are getting what I'm calling the full Iowa. I mean, Obama has visited my county at LEAST three or four times. I got to see him, which I never thought I'd be able to. But the robocalls. have. got. to. stop. I know they do them because they're cheap and I suppose they must work. But oh my God, they're annoying.
April 21, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You must live in a heavily Democratic county.
April 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oooh no, I don't! Not at all! I live in Chester County, which is extremely wealthy and Republican. But we're considered sort of suburbs/exurbs of Philly, a region that's a battleground both in Democratic primaries and the general, and this primary is no exception.
April 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was watching footage of the candidates going door-to-door and thought, if the Clintons showed up at my door, they would not want cameras around.
April 21, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama uses negative fear mongering attack mailers saying Hillary's health care plan will garnish your paychecks. Now he trots out another Republican talking point on how Dems [Hillary] wants to take guns away from you. He praises Reagan, and especially the Bush I/Cheney Regime, and claims constantly he wants to bring everyone together, and work with Republicans. And he calls himself a Democrat?
April 21, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not just any Democrat - the Democratic nominee for President.
Better get used to it.
April 21, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The health care ad isn't fearmongering, and she has floated the option of wage garnishment, although she has refused to actually specify how she plans to make her health care plan work. But since she doesn't have any kind of enforcement, wage garnishment is probably her only real option.
Taking guns in times of national emergency isn't a right wing talking point. In fact taking guns in times of emergency (whatever the president decides that should me) would probably be blatantly unconstitutional and HUGELY unpopular. It would be a mess and a half.
He never praised Reagan, and if you actually think his comments were raising Reagan, I'm sorry, but you are an idiot because what he was saying wasn't all that hard to conceptualize for someone with even basic analytical skills.
And he doesn't side with Republicans.
And let's talk about the hypocrisy of you trying to make Obama out to be a Republican while Hillary actually votes with the Republicans on big things like the war, and Iran, and flag burning amendments and then attacks Obama with fearmongering ads straight from Karl Rove. And did Obama endorse McCain over a fellow Democrat? No, that was Hillary, sounds like a Republican to me! I could go on and on, but you are obviously a complete idiot, so I know there is no point in stating the obvious seeing as your head is way too far up Hillary's ass to ever change your ways.
April 21, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, all you had to do is read his first lying flier and listen to his surrogates.
Rove gop tactics but they blame Clinton.
Is old school gop politics, even Jack Cafferty admits it.
April 21, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
What was a lie?
You'll never reply.
RoboTroll 3000
by any other name
remains
inane.
April 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
She made guns an issue. He has to respond.
As for praising Bush I, he does that to undermine Bush II, the policies that McCain wants to continue. Do you get how this works?
April 21, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have I mentioned how glad I am to live in IL?
We are one of the few states completely ignored in both the primaries and general election. How sweet it is.
That said and out of sympathy for my PA brethren, tomorrow's election can't come soon enough.
April 21, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Using Rove tactics is Obama's new kind of politics.
He is a fraud folks.
I tried to tell you.
I think Lieberman will be VP and when mcwar battles cancer, guess who is President?
That is the fear card.
April 21, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary is the master of Rovian politics.
One of the funniest things about this election has been Hillary supporters blaming Obama for things Hillary does. Hillary supporters are either really stupid or they think everybody else is really stupid. Maybe both.
April 21, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only this is in no way a Karl Rove like attack.
Hillary is the fraud. Welcome to reality my friend.
April 21, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Using Rove tactics is Obama's new kind of politics.
He is a fraud folks.
I tried to tell you.
I think Lieberman will be VP and when mcwar battles cancer, guess who is President?
That is the fear card.
April 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your blog is having problems.
April 21, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buddy, I think you're having problems.
April 21, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word
April 21, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Echo in the echo chamber.
April 21, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only echo I hear is the sound of pea gravel rattling around in that empty head of yours.
April 21, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which leads to the question:
What would a President Hillary Fantasy Warrior Clinton deem to be a National Emergency that would allow her to confiscate the guns of law abiding citizens:
Would another onset of Fantasy Sniper Attacks cause her to order the confiscation of legally owned guns!!
Do you want a paranoid delusional, with a persecution complex, such as Hillary, making those decisions.
Be very very scared. Hillary Bonkers Clinton would like to confiscate your legally owned guns.
April 21, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Negative? At least Obama's robocall is talking about the issues -- unless you think flag lapel pins, Obama's preacher and bowling scores are issues.
April 21, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot his "relationship" with Bill Ayers, the "plagiarism", and the fact that he didn't put his hand over his heart when the national anthem was playing, one time, some where.
These are critical problems whose resolution could have a significant impact on the direction our country takes.
Or not.
I could be a talking suit on TeeVee!
April 21, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we can all agree at this point that Obama is not a new kind of politician and is not using a new kind of politics.
Lets be honest for once folks.
It is very obvious.
Admit it.
April 21, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I admit it. He's simply a better politician than Hillary. As evidenced by his beating her soundly.
April 21, 2008 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's cute but no one here is stupid enough to buy it. You are just making a fool of yourself.
Pointing out differences in votes on issues is not negative campaigning--it is campaigning.
Before you know it, the Clinton campaign will be accusing Obama of being an "old style" politician for making "speeches" and holding "big ralies." Oops....already done that.
April 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Omigod. They'll accuse him of campaigning!
April 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife,
June 3rd. Mark your calendar.
And how about our old friend Bill Rendell and that video of him planting both lips on Farrakhan's ass? Is Clinton going to denounce those remarks from her #1 elected surrogate in PA by tomorrow? Clock's ticking.
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA
But I will say that bit about Lieberman is kind of scary.
April 21, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow!! This is unfbelievable!! Where was this video when whe needed to shove it down Hillary's throat in March??
Will this piece be played on countdown tonight while Hillary chit chats with Olberman?? And tomorrow, and the day after??
She must denounce AND reject!!!
April 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or how about this video where Rendell accuses young voters who support Obama of being “Kool-Aid” drinkers. He then goes on to praise McCain (@2:45), going against Hillary’s statement that TPM quoted earlier today.
"We need a nominee who will take on John McCain, not cheer on John McCain."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNGQKTyQE4
If she's going to make statements like that, she needs to keep Rendell from going out and undermining her on it, (not that she hadn't already undermined that argument herself with the "CIC Threshold" comments).
April 21, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
You Clinton supporters seem to be obsessed with this "Obama's just a regular politician" argument. Well, he may not be 100% new, but he's got enough newness to be a heckuva lot more refreshing than the competition. He's new in that he's a Democrat who knows how to run a successful campaign, something Hillary has proven incapable of doing, despite entering the race with every conceivable advantage. If you can't win the Democratic nomination with the last name CLINTON(!), you don't deserve it.
April 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kablammo! 2nd Amendment Pwnage.
April 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You just can't admit he lied can you?
Can anybody here be honest?
April 21, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, I want a Democratic in the White House. And people who are hated by 60% of the nation usually don't get picked for that job. So Obama it is.
April 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe you and the rest of us have a different definition of same-old politics means?
It must be, because your broken record makes less and less sense everyday.
April 21, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lied about what? Sniper fire? Creating SCHIP? Bringing peace to Northern Ireland?
April 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
crickets.
April 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hearing shit again?
April 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never said the guy was Jesus. He's a politician and he's doing what it takes to win. Or depress turnout. Either way, she will be in trouble after the polls close tomorrow.
Remember, it's not too late to donate $2300 for you and $2300 for your significant other for the primare and because you are so certain, another $4600 for the general. Don't worry, if Obama wins, you get $4600 back, or whatever Mark Penn doesn't take off the top.
April 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
chirp.
April 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
chirp, waiting on you to admit it.
chirp.
Nevermind.
You just can't do it.
April 21, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get a life, dude.
*chirp*
April 21, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's only negative when Hillary does it!!!
April 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
******NEWS FLASH******
Gotalife/Another_Reader '12
In a stunning move, the duo vow to run a new kind of campaign. They will not mention another candidate, they will not draw any type of contrast. They vow to only talk about themselves, not use advertising, and agree not to use any type of direct contact such as robo-calls or house calls. This is the newest in new of campaigning and they challenge all other candidates to eschew all previous campaign techniques in efforts to make campaigning as pure as ever.
They plan on using love vibes and prayer sessions to communicate.
Stay tuned...
April 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, let me be honest. I'm fucking loving it that Obama is doing this. You think I'm going to be displeased that Obama is trying to knock her teeth out these last couple of days? That is how you do it, my friends. You get that knife in there at the last minute. Whine away, gotalife and another_reader. This is some politics being played right here, and Obama's going to do it until he finally brushes Hillary off of his shoulder. We need a Dem in the White House and the person reviled by 60% of the population isn't going to get the job done. So Obama it is - I for one am glad he's kicking it up a notch.
No prisoners.
April 21, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I for one am reassured to see his campaign fighting back, and don't forget what he said in Raleigh last week: When he's face to face with McCain, he won't show as much "restraint" as he has against Hillary.
April 21, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not complaining. I'm laughing at the absurdity of some Obama supporters. This ad is not negative? Wow!
Why run your campaign on a sham promise of "new politics"? Smart politician? Yes. New or different? Not at all.
April 21, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, you do nothing but complain.
April 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you do nothing but dismiss valid criticisms.
April 21, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same question I put to getalife:
Define new for us. Obviously we are not on the same page.
April 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get my definition from Obama. He won't engage in the "politics of personal destruction".
Oops!
Also, he doesn't want to jump on people's gaffes and beat their words to death.
Unless it's convenient in Mississippi.
I can't help it if your definition of new doesn't jive with his.
April 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooh, ooh! I forgot my favorite:
Except for on NAFTA.
April 21, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm all for the robocall but i'd like Barack to hit on Tuzla...............
I'm talking a direct hit on her honor...
Wait she doesn't have any left. My apologies.
April 21, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no instance of the government forcing people to buy something from private industry as a condition of being resident in America. Car insurance is not like that; you can live here without a car. And the car insurance industry isn't nearly as corrupt as the health insurance industry. You can sue the car insurers if they screw you over. You in most instances have no legal recourse at all against health insurers. No wonder they're so corrupt. And now Hillary wants to force us all to buy their products.
Obama's right on this one. Forcing people to buy from private firms - firms given special immunity from lawsuits when they screw you - guarantees continuation of the profiteering that makes us spend twice as much per capita as European nations, for a lower life expectancy.
April 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no instance of the government forcing people to buy something from private industry as a condition of being resident in America. Car insurance is not like that; you can live here without a car. And the car insurance industry isn't nearly as corrupt as the health insurance industry. You can sue the car insurers if they screw you over. You in most instances have no legal recourse at all against health insurers. No wonder they're so corrupt. And now Hillary wants to force us all to buy their products.
Obama's right on this one. Forcing people to buy from private firms - firms given special immunity from lawsuits when they screw you - guarantees continuation of the profiteering that makes us spend twice as much per capita as European nations, for a lower life expectancy.
April 21, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "hope and change" messiah strikes back.
God help us. We are doomed.
April 21, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly the politics of change at work. Exactly the kind of new leadership and direction this country needs. Making unsubstantiated claims about a person's record is clearly the change this country needs.
April 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
No high ground left here that's for sure.
I've been hanging up on robocalls from both sides all week.
April 21, 2008 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
i will give it to tpm...you're certainly not endeavoring to hide your blatant favoritism for obama.
obama puts out a totally misleading robocall that is dubious on its face when it's talking about an amendment to a bill and the amendment allegedly talks about federal emergeny personnel being able to "confiscate" weapons "in an emergency." i don't have to read the amendment and underlying bill to know that, on its face, it sounds logical and plausible and reasonable enough to think that conviscating weapons (as was done in new orleans during katrina) is a means of keeping both emergency personnel and the citizenry at large safe from those who might try to exploit the frenzy and disorentation of an emergeny situation, again something we witnessed in katrina.
the tpm headline: "obama camp robocall: "clinton voted to allow guns to be confiscated." no critical analysis...no characterization of the robocall as true or untrue...no characterization of the candidate as negative or fair.
hillary response to this misleading robocall with a call of her own that is 100% factual and the tpm headline: "harsh hillary pa robocall: obama lied about handgun ban." it's pejorative...it characterizes the candidate as negative...and it's factually wrong because the ad does not say or use the word "lie" but instead uses the much softer and kinder characterization of "not telling the truth."
it's your site and your welcome to run it as you like, but please refrain from EVER AGAIN harassing fox news for somehow being "unfair and unbalanced." you've set a new standard with your consistently open and flagrant biased coverage of the obama-clinton race.
April 21, 2008 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ummmmm Obama has sites that are more pro him, than hillary, and vice versa.
So obviously the news and some of the personal blogs are very biased.
Piece through it, its not too hard. And dont blame TPM without blaming the Pro Hillary site.
After staying around for abit, you would actually realize that alot of the individuals around here, are Pro-Common Sense. And it just happens that Obama speaks more common sense to people than Hillary does.
Guess ill apologize more.
Just thought Id speak up from a more objective point of view.
I mean, you dont see me on talkleft.com talking shit. *shrug*. It is what it is.
Grow up.
April 22, 2008 12:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
You don't have to read the amendment. Of course you don't. Why bother to read what he's actually talking about. The bill passed 86-14. Why would you need to confiscate guns from people who haven't broken the law?
It makes no sense.
April 22, 2008 6:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
its FEEEAAAAARERRRRR mongering. I am so afraid!
April 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink