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Obama Advisers See Need To Improve His Efforts With Blue Collar Voters

With the Hillary campaign portraying Obama almost daily as culturally out of touch with blue collar folks, a debate is unfolding inside Camp Obama as to how he can improve his efforts with those voters:

In strategy sessions last week, advisers concluded that Mr. Obama, of Illinois, needed to do a better job reminding voters of his biography, including his modest upbringing by a single mother and one of his first jobs as a community organizer helping displaced steel mill workers. He also has to sharpen his economic message, they said, to improve his appeal and connection with voters in hope of capitalizing on the sensibilities that served him well in Midwestern states.

Mr. Obama's advisers are also debating whether he should give another major speech intended to lay out themes of his candidacy -- particularly the change he would bring to Washington -- that they fear have been muddled in one of the toughest months of his campaign.

As a result, Obama advisers are viewing Indiana as crucial in not one, but two respects. A win there could trigger more super-del movement towards him. But perhaps more importantly, it could take the steam out of Hillary's efforts to use his difficulties with blue collar whites to paint him as borderline unelectable.


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Just don't go bowling again, please!

Obama is an athlete. I think he would be averaging 200 with a little practice.

Meanwhile, hilarious story in NYT about how Kerry lost black votes in Ohio because there was a gay right measure on the ballot. And no one group of people in America hates another like African-American hate gay people. Man, my former running partner when I lived in Brooklyn used to tell me how he'd kill any gay man that even said hello to him. Oh, and he also believed all that ignorant crazy shit about AIDS and the CIA blahblahblah.

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Um, okay... I'm not sure what you're point is, Obama is very pro gay (much more so then Clinton) and he is obviously not going to have problems with the black vote.

Interestingly, Jeremiah Wright is also pro-gay.

On the Bill Moyers interview did anyone notice that Wright said that God damns sodomy?

This is the passage you're referring to:

That the perception of God who allows slavery, who allows rape, who allows misogyny, who allows sodomy, who allows murder of a people, lynching, that's not the God of the people being lynched and sodomized and raped, and carried away into a foreign country. Same thing you find in Psalm 137. That those people who are carried away into slavery have a very different concept of what it means to be the people of God than the ones who carried them away.

Judging by the fact "sodomized" is put in between "lynched" and "raped", it's pretty obvious he's not talking about consensual gay relations here.

You've posted this 3 times, at least come up with a fresh rant every day or so...

You're one of those scary, not funny trolls.

Mila, you have a real gift for generalization, it seems. By the way, I met a white man recently who says he hates Muslims and thinks we should bomb them off the face of the the earth. Guess that must mean all white men feel like that, hunh?

You met McCain?

I'm glad to hear that they're aware a shift in political outreach is necessary. It's clear to me that their economic message towards potential voters have been muddled. I think the television ads need a reworking with more personal stories--voter stories, especially.

Obama is "bored."

NYT: "In interviews with several associates and aides, Mr. Obama was described as bored with the campaign against Mrs. Clinton and eager to move into the general election against Senator John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican nominee."

Hell, who isn't bored with Sen. Clinton.

How can you be bored? What can be more exciting than hear a Yale Law School grad lecture others on having the blue collar touch?

ha!

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I'm bored shitless with this endless stupid meaningless fight with the Clintons and I'm bored for Obama, too.

It's boring as shit to fight this meaningless side battle over nothing with the damn Clintons.

Bored? To tears. They should go away now. Go back to Westchester and get drunk and cry about it for awhile and get the fuck over it.

I can Hillary telling the voters of Indiana that he is "bored" with them.

Greg,

I'm not inclined to harass you for your write-ups, but I read the Times piece early this morning and got no sense that there was an "intense debate erupting" in Obama's campaign about this issue. In fact, I just searched the article again, and the words "intense" and "debate" are never used in the context of campaign strategy. (I believe the piece says they are putting an intense effort into Indiana, and they have chosen not to debate Clinton.)

Your write-up suggests that there is some internal division in Obama's campaign (as has frequently been reported about Clinton), but that just isn't true. Unless you have other information you want to report, the Times piece does not support the notion that Camp Obama is a volcano waiting to explode (as your eruption metaphor suggests.)

I'm sure your intentions are honorable, but I think your language is creating a controversy where none exists.

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Completely agree.

Co-sign.

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Mercer, that's a fair criticism. I've toned down the language

Thanks Greg, I was about to regret standing up for you in regards to the previous article you posted. :-)

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You're a good man Greg, keep up the good work.

On second thought, "a debate is unfolding" still misses the mark, in my opinion. The implication is that the "debate" is between individuals in the campaign who disagree on what course to take.

Reading the NYT article, and that paragraph in particular, though, I don't get that sense at all. The "debating" seems to be in the sense of weighing the pros and cons of taking a particular approach, not a conflict between opposing camps that the "debate is unfolding" phrase might lead one to believe. It's more like my family "debating" whether to go out for pizza or have one delivered on a particular Friday night.

thanks, Greg.

Thanks Greg.

As Greg quotes above, the Times is "debating" the benefits of a policy speech, but that is very different from "an intense debate erupting" which suggests uncontrolled fragmentation and rancor. At least from the Times piece, the campaign's welcome strategy shift sounds rational and deliberate.

You would think by now that the media would STOP blind quoting "advisers" for Obama. They NEVER know what they claim to know. Why, didn't Greg get burned by just this type of scenario?

Yup. He needs to fight the perception of him as an "elitist" and lay out specific economic policies, beyond the calls for "change". By showing an understanding of the tough economic times they are facing, Obama can make inroads with these voters. He may face a certain percentage (like our friend upthread) who just can't vote for the black guy, but I'm hopeful that percentage won't be signigicant enough to make the difference.

He's laid them out, but they've been lost in the media's circle-jerk over the latest nontroversy. He needs to recapture the media narrative. It's been a few weeks since he's had a good media week.

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"nontroversy". I love that term.

True, and look how far he has fallen in the polls, too!

The more they talk about Rev. Wright, the less threatening he looks. I watched Wright's speech at the NAACP yesterday, and I had a hard time finding a soundbyte that the media could use that would be "controversial". They and McCain can keep talking about it, but it seems like a dead issue to me.

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He seemed fairly sane to me on the Bill Moyers show.

Soundbites taken out of context can hurt anyone, the Clintons need to keep that in mind.

He has not fallen in the polls.

Sarcasm is my weapon of choice

I dunno. I started reading Newsweek's "Obama's Bubba Problem" yesterday. I got as far as reading about a woman who is concerned that Obama might change the bowling alley in the White House to a basketball court, and how that doesn't show a respect for tradition. I'm not making that up. And I...just stopped reading at that point. Nevermind that I believe that bowling alley was changed to a swimming pool for JFK about a half a century ago. Even if it wasn't, what do you do to appeal to voters who are obsessed with the most profoundly stupid trivia imaginable? I mean, I know Obama has to do it, and I know he is trying to do it and that's good. But, lord a mercy, it's gotta be a job and a half for anyone who isn't a really REALLY good Christian...or a total hypocrite.

Why aren't the various strengths and weaknesses of the two candidates in various demographics treated the same way by the media? It seems to me that Obama's "weakness" with blue collar voters can largely be explained by Hillary's overwhelming support among low income older white women. Factor that part out of the blue collar demographic and I'll bet the deficit closes quickly. So, older white women and black voters are both pretty core demographics for the Democratic Party, and each candidate has a natural strength with one of the constituencies. However, Hillary's strength is treated by the media as an Obama weakness. Yet, the same concern does not seem to be expressed regarding Hillary and the demographics in which Obama is strong. If it were expressed, there would be a media conniption about "injcting race".

Perhaps the explanation is that Hillary has gone so negative that there is a fear that her strength will in fact turn into an Obama weakness in November. However, I believe that those older female voters will not vote for another 4 years of Bush policies any more than black voters would if Hillary were the nominee. I certainly don't see them wanting another couple of anti-choice judges. Moreover, I fully expect Hillary to show some class and campaign for Obama with these groups once the nomination is secured. The delicate part is not forcing her out before she's accepted fate because that will make her and her supporters more bitter. This has been a long, tough primary. It's wearing on us all. Democrats need to unite sooner rather than later. If Obama wins NC by a wide margin and improves in IN compared to OH and PA, I think it will be time to put the country and the party first. I just hope Hillary sees that.

Hillary's strength is treated by the media as an Obama weakness. Yet, the same concern does not seem to be expressed regarding Hillary and the demographics in which Obama is strong.

Exactly. Do not hold your breath, however, waiting for the obviousness of that point to be acknowledged. It appears that there is no standard so outrageous that someone on Clinton's side will not anxiously wring his hands in public and insist that Obama "prove" he can win (as if the state of the race so far does not suffice as proof) by jumping through this additional, absurd hoop.

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Who cares? The primary is over, Obama won.

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Psst: there is a general election that happens after you win the primary! This may be something that concerns Obama's campaign! Ya think?

Also, you should probably know that in those general elections over the last couple of decades or so, there is a group of voters that has come to be known as "Reagan Democrats," who are registered Democrats and may vote in Democratic primaries, but also have developed a habit of helping Republicans win the presidency, because they somehow get the idea that the Democratic candidate does not share their values or isn't on their side. Another tip: the current Republican nominee has a reputation with the general public as a "maverick" and "independent."

What Obama needs to do is manage this thing. He is letting a woman who has already lost set the tone of the entire campaign. She is irrelevant and they need to start acting as such.

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Exactly right, and that, I think, is why Obama is choosing to ignore Clinton now.

Thanks Greg. I wrote my 2nd post while you were writing your response. Don't want to seem like I'm piling on.

Its too bad that Obama is "bored" with the primary.

Tell this to the voters in Indiana -- Sen. Obama is "bored" with the primary, and does not want to even bother with a debate focusing on issues important to the State.

You apparently flunked reading comprehension in school.

I think they all flunked reading comprehension.

Are you kidding? There have been 21 debates.

Obama was in Indiana last Tuesday, and has been campaigning there practically non-stop. Hardly the actions of a man too "bored" to care about Indiana.

What else you got?

The primary issue is whether we want another 4 years of Bush economic and foreign policy. If only Hillary would focus on that issue and help put the eventual Dem nominee in the WH.

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Because there are so many issues that haven't been covered in the prior 21 debates, right?

The next debate would be moderated by Katie Couric, I highly doubt there would be a lot of insiteful questions asked. It would probably come down to questions like this: "Senator Obama, you are left handed, do you feel it is possible for a left handed man to be President? And as a follow up do you hate right handed people?"

I think I'd pass too.

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O my god - Katie Couric? O shit - everyone will have to bring pictures of their colonscopies and discuss at length.

Please no Katie fucking Couric.

"perhaps more importantly, it could take the steam out of Hillary's efforts to use his difficulties with blue collar whites to paint him as borderline unelectable."

Not if you and the rest of the establishment transcribers have anything to say about it. You've finally found the chink in Obama's armor, and you're going to rip it open if you can.

Repeat after me: Hillary needs to win 69% of the vote in EVERY REMAINING PRIMARY to win the pledged delegate race. If Obama was in her position, he would already be a footnote to the 2008 election.

Why do you feel this compulsion to act as a megaphone for every charge, no matter how baseless, coming out of the Clinton camp? Really, how do you justify it editorially?

It's too bad that Hillary doesn't see any need to improve her efforts with African American voters. But considering that she doesn't really give a shit about them, I guess that isn't too surprising. If she steals the nomination, I'll enjoy watching African Americans sit this one out (quite rightly.)

Quite rightly! Well said sir.

You are unbelieveably wrong. Despite the fact that the african american community has been firmly behind obama, Hillary's campaign has been visible in african american communities particularly in PA (where I canvassed for Hill) as well as the state of the black union, memphis with the commemoration of the MLK assassination. Whether it's gained traction or improved her AA support is quite different from whether she is appealing for it.

Obama advisers realize Obama needs to win blue collar voters. Great! Next thing they'll realize that he needs to get 270 electoral votes in November.

And at that moment they'll understand just how "effed" they are. B/c his chance of getting to 270 is about the same as Michael Dukakis's was. In fact, I bet if we ran Dukakis this term, he'd get more electoral votes than Obama.

Check the polls. Obama is faring just fine against McCain, and he is still in a friggin' Primary....

If you really think Obama can't improve on Kerry's performance '04 or Gore's in '00...think harder.

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Can't do better than Kerry? Or Gore?

O come on.

Everyone is just conveniently forgetting this morning about all the new voters registered just to vote for Obama; all the voters who don't ordinarily vote turning out in thousands and thousands to vote for Obama. The entirely different election season we have this time? Bush is so unpopular that the only thing slightly less unpopular is syphylis and the war.

Are you insane? What the hell is going on lately? People are just crazy like the Clintons.

I find this trend, if it actually exists in the campaign's thinking, somewhat disturbing. Obama should not let her set his agenda. The "elitism" leitmotif so beloved by Hillary and the media is a canard. The new Newsweek poll in fact says that more working-class voters feel that Hillary "speaks down" to them than feel Obama does. The "elitism" label is a cover for another objection that a working-class core of Hillary support has to Obama. It's not his arugula-eating, white-wine-sipping, Niebuhr-quoting lifestyle. It's his being an African American man.

These are people who (as he implied in SF) are afraid of or despise "the other." It's not just blacks. It's foreigners, Muslims, intellectuals, gays. And Hillary has catered to all those prejudices in one way or another. (It has been widely noted that, despite cultivating gay groups for their massive donations, she never utters the word "gay" in public.) Those guys in the bar whom she is throwing back the Crown Royal with have a lot more serious problems with Obama (and his supporters) than their poor bowling.

Dorn76,

Sad to say, what you and I think does not matter as much as how voters vote in November. Dukakis was well ahead though most of the summer of '88. American voting patterns in the GE are pretty set and easy to identify and predict. That's why so much of the last election was spent in Ohio. In Nov. we'll see which view was right. I do want a Dem to win. I don't think Obama can. You do. I hope you are right. American political history says Obama cannot win. (After the real campaign does its work, I don't see how he win Penn. or Ohio or Virginia or Missouri.) Sometimes history changes, I grant. Maybe it will in November. But I assure you, I can think.

Wasn't saying you can't think, but simply suggesting this is not going to be a replay of 2000 or 2004. Obama appeals to moderates, independents and even (gasp!) Republicans, and has a way of widening the Democratic base that Hillary, nor Kerry or Gore for that matter, could only dream of....Obama may lose OH and even FL, but he puts states like VA, NC, CO and others into play. Also, once this race focuses on the Democrat vs. the Republican, the differences between the parties (not the personalities) becomes paramount. When that happens, it is sayonara for the GOP.

Well Greg,

You could headline with, "Obama follows Rove's advice."

Anyhoo, something to keep an eye on is the gop strategy of using Wright and Obama in ads for down ticket races.

I have seen two ads so far and think the SD should be paying attention to this.

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But gottalife, just a few days ago you were whining about how it was soooo unfair that a SD went to Obama even though Hillary won the SD's congressional district. By your logic shouldn't SD's be forced to go to whoever it was that one their district.

Otherwise you're just a whiny hypocritical troll.

Here is a good story:

"Obama backtracks on Iraq:

Obama says he will 'listen to General Petraeus' and set timetable for Iraqi government, doesn't pledge to immediately withdraw troops

"I will listen to General Petraeus, given the experience that he's accumulated over the last several years. It would be stupid of me to ignore what he has to say," Obama said."

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Obama has said several hundred times that, "We have to be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting into Iraq."

Troll.

You left out the next paragraph of this quote (surprise, surprise), which is the real money quote.

After giving a nod of respect to the military leader, Obama then went on to say, as he has many times, that as Commander in Chief, his job is to then set policy, to which the military leaders are sworn to obedience.

Petraeus would either obey, or be replaced. That's what having civilians in charge of the military means, and it's the lack of this separation now that leaves us on the brink of a militarized dictatorship.

Oh, boy.

What's next? Obama contacting Michael Jackson's make-up artist?

(Please Barack -- don't do the nose thing!)

I totally agree with you, Richmond. I believe if he is bored he could quit. We don't need a bored president.

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That's a fascinating comment and not at all boring.

And I'm Marie the Queen of Romania and I'm bored to tears with the Clintons and their stupid stupid nonbattle for nothing.

Clinton beats McCain: 286, 252 electoral; McCain beats Obama: 295, 243 electoral;

Obama is a bored loser and should drop out.Period.

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god you have to be the most dense most boring damn troll in the universe.

Keep thinking Clinton can win. Fool.

Clinton will see voter turnout at about Kerry levels or less.

She will not and cannot win because she won't get the voters to turn out and she will lose just like the other two DLC candidates - Gore and Kerry - lost.

All Hillary and Bill Clinton will do is LOSE.

Saying it doesn't make it so, goatlife.

He may have a good source.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr26.html

Is this not a reliable site?

Yeah, no kidding? Nothing gets by that crafty David Axelrod.

Axelrove is good, I give him that. And I bet he's working overtime on damage control to spin Capt Crazy comments at the Nat'l Press Club.

He hasn't been fired yet, which is more than one can say for Patti Solis-Doyle (whoops! where's that $40MM surplus?) and Mark (even Rendell said I had to be 100% fired) Penn.

But then, you don't get fired for doing your job well, though you do get canned for screwing up that which was historically inevitable. Which seems about right.

That's the funny thing about Obama's background. It doesn't seem to fit. He's certainly got the elitist's attitude. He started off from humble beginnings, so he must have picked it up along the way. I think he can remind voters where he came from, but I don't think they will see him as still being like that. It seems to me he very carefully left all that behind as he grew up.

We really have come a long way as a country when we can call Barack Hussein Obama an elitist. Son of a single white mother and a Kenyan father, who used precisely ZERO family money and connections to rise to the U.S. Senate, and is on the precipice of becoming the Dem. nominee for President.

That seems more like the realization of the American Dream than elitism.

We are all really proud of Barack and Michelle.

Poll Shows Erosion Of Trust In Clinton
PHILADELPHIA, April 16, 2008(Washingtonpost.com) This story was written by Anne E. Kornblut and Jon Cohen.
Lost in the Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign's aggressive attacks on Barack Obama in recent days is a deep and enduring problem that threatens to undercut any inroads Clinton has made in her struggle to overtake him in the Democratic presidential race: She has lost trust among voters, a majority of whom now view her as dishonest.

Her advisers' efforts to deal with the problem -- by having her acknowledge her mistakes and crack self-deprecating jokes -- do not seem to have succeeded. Privately, the aides admit that the recent controversy over her claim to have ducked sniper fire on a trip to Bosnia probably made things worse.

Clinton is viewed as "honest and trustworthy" by just 39 percent of Americans, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, compared with 52 percent in May 2006. Nearly six in 10 said in the new poll that she is not honest and trustworthy. And now, compared with Obama, Clinton has a deep trust deficit among Democrats, trailing him by 23 points as the more honest, an area on which she once led both Obama and John Edwards.


Here's the internals on the Indiana poll where Clinton is 9% ahead.

Interestingly, it's identical to a month ago.

No Clear Trend in Indiana -- Clinton Ends April Just As She Started: In a Democratic Primary in Indiana today, 04/28/08, 8 days until votes are counted, Hillary Clinton finishes ahead of Barack Obama, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for WHAS-TV in Louisville and WCPO-TV in Cincinnati. The results are identical to a SurveyUSA TV poll released 4 weeks ago, on 04/01/08. Clinton led then 52% to 43%, leads now 52% to 43%. Other polls show the contest closer; some polls show Obama ahead. SurveyUSA tracking graphs show movement toward Clinton in the middle of April but offsetting movement to Obama at the end of April. This back-and-forth can be seen clearly on the interactive tracking graphs for males, for Democrats, for pro-choice voters, and for residents of greater Indianapolis. Clinton's advantage is steady among women, steady among voters age 50+, and steady in Southern Indiana, which borders Kentucky. Obama is gaining ground among voters under 50, where he leads for the first time; among liberals, where he leads for the first time; in Northern Indiana, where he is tied for the first time; and in Central Indiana, where he has cut Clinton's lead in half. Clinton, by contrast, is making steady inroads among Independent voters.

Thanks for the analysis....It will be interesting to see if they release a final poll later this week and if the trends you pointed out continue...If so, that would seem to bode well for Obama, as he has been surging in C. and N. parts of the State.

I wonder about Clinton's support among independents....are they more conservative and voting against Obama on race, Rev. Wright, or is it the "bitter" issue, and Obama's perceived weakness among white working class voters?

What blue collar jobs has Obama ever held?

Just curious.

President of the Harvard Law Review

What? What blue collar jobs have any of the candidates had?

Come on.

No one has done more for Blue Collar workers than Barack Obama.

Hmmm, I could give another speech to a rally of diehard supoporters who applaud every noseblow OR I could have a publicly televised debate with Hillary with clearly established rules based on issues without any media BS questions that speaks directly to the issues facing voters - health care, tax policy, foreclosure, war on iraq etc. That debate would give me a chance to speak to those blue collar voters who are not convinced I am the candidate for the job and allow them to compare my plans and policies for the nation.

On second thought, do we really want voters to have a fair chance to compare or policies in depth versus just sound bites. NOPE - too risky. More echo chamber rallies for Obama! That's how we'll "work hard" to reach the undecideds and Hillary supporters! COWARD.

Bitterness does not become you. My candidate is just as free to run the race that he thinks will win it for him as yours is to run the race that she thinks will win it for her. It is fatuous to complain that he will not accede to Sen Clinton's preferred approach.

Actions speak louder in words. To say let's talk about real issues and then run with your tail between your legs when the opportunity for a debate focusing on just real issues is quite frankly pathetic.

And by the way, I am not bitter. I am just pointed in my very valid criticism. Obama is flawed. He's weaker in the general election against McCain, weaker in the swing states, and less tough and assertive as a candidate as evidenced by his fear of debating Hillary on real issues. Cowardice is unbecoming and I don't think this will help him in the blue collar/reagan democrat voters who are looking for a fighter to stand up for them.

You clearly dislike Barack.

Are you going to vote for him, McCain, or stay home if those are your choices?

As a voter in NY, I'm torn between staying home as my non-vote will have no impact since NY is a true blue state or voting for Obama. Given the negativity of Obama's campaign and his supporters towards not only Hillary and her supporters, I can say that I would definitely have difficulty pulling the lever. I would never in a million years vote for McCane (misspelling intentional).

That said, I would definitely worry about Clinton voters like me in swing states not voting for Obama or even worse voting for McCane. But the real question is what is Obama or his campaign doing to earn my vote in the general election? Why would he not want to take every opportunity to speak to these voters and tell them why his policies and his plan for the country are better? It is nonsensical to say I am going to work hard for more votes while not taking the opportunity to speak directly to them in a debate based on issues rather than diversions.

To fix a problem, you have to correctly identify it. Obama can't fix his message to lower income white voters, because it's not his message to them that's turning them off. It's his message to his own base they find insulting. Until Obama communicates with his base in a way that doesn't offend lower income white voters, his performance with them won't improve. As a Clinton supporter, I hope he does make a major speech on the issue. The more our base sees and hears of him, the less they like him.

You paint a picture all over first. Then you fill in the detail. You don't paint a picture inch by inch.

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Yours is a very interesting comment.

I wonder sometimes whether his keeping the public funding question open is about thinking it might be necessary in the general to do a sort of Sister Souljah towards some on the left sending him money now, that he has been saddled with a inspired base that is more left than he wants it to be.

To me, his overall history shows more of a readiness to show more tolerance to right of center than to many left of center.

(Examples: Donnie McClurkin, disinviting Rev. Wright from doing the public invocation for his announcement ceremony, the speech to the Call to Renewal/Sojourner's group that irritated so many in the liberal blogosphere because it suggested some Democrats were too hostile to evangelicals and faith in general, the absence on the Moveon.org/Patraeus Betrayus vote, his refusal to dis his Senate mentor, Lieberman, his choice of Austan Goolsbee as an economic adviser, his dissing of the DKos membership in 2005 over their reaction to the Roberts nomination confirmation and other things, and, on Fox yesterday, bringing the latter up again as a bonafide of his disagreement with some on "the left.")

One thing that is clear to me about him is that he does not like single issue advocacy groups or litmus tests--there is a section in "The Audacity of Hope" about how he hates to fill out the forms that are sent to Senators from advocacy groups of all kinds, left and right. Whenever he talks of "unity," what I have always heard, after investigating the details, that he is talking about going after majority rule, and that includes lots of right of center people living in this country.

I think the inspirational and vague RFK and JFK stuff was a brilliant way to get himself an inspired base that pulled him out of the pack of many running for president based on seeing in the speeches what they wanted to see. But now he's got the problem of some devout followers that might not be happy with the real Obama if he is to win over the majority in a way that he would like. That the GOP shows signs of starting to attempt to paint him with their olde classic "scary liberal" brush is not helping him with where he wants to go.

It's going to be an interesting general election, not the least of which we will see if he is able to drag most of the liberal blogosphere to the center. We don't know if McCain is going to help or hurt, so far he continues to play Mr. Conservative Right Wing, but there is no guarantee that that will continue.

It's nice to read some actual thinking-out-loud about Obama's message and conundrum as a Democratic candidate. Thank you to artappraiser, Billy, and dijamo.

To add to artappraiser's comment:

I think the inspirational and vague RFK and JFK stuff was a brilliant way to get himself an inspired base that pulled him out of the pack of many running for president based on seeing in the speeches what they wanted to see.

Now Obama needs to be specific, something he is extremely reluctant to do. Details may well muck up the broad brushstrokes of inspiration. Details are not soaring, hopeful, or worth swooning and weeping over. Details are down-to-earth, pedestrian, individually dull. Details are Clinton's domain.

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