New Polling Of Pennsylvania Coming Tomorrow

It's due out tomorrow morning from Quinnipiac.

It's possible, even likely, that a fair amount of the polling will have been done during the controversy over Obama's "small town" comments, which broke Friday late afternoon and were covered relentlessly by the Pennsylvania media over the weekend. So there will be keen interest in this poll, to say the least.

The last Q-poll found that Obama had narrowed the gap considerably with Hillary in the state.


Comments (64)

Obama had WHAT with Hillary?

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At least one sign here that this whole riff-raff may not be playing out to the same effect on the ground with voters in PA as it has inside the media sphere:

From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones

PITTSBURGH, Pa. -- Hillary Clinton spent a fourth day hitting Obama for comments about small town America that she characterized as elitist, out of touch and problematic for the Democratic Party, but this time some in the crowd could be heard taking issue with what she was saying.

The New York senator brought up the issue near the top of a speech sponsored by the Alliance for American Manufacturing, to quite a few murmurs in the crowd.

"I understand my opponent came this morning and he spent a lot of his time attacking me," she said, before being interrupted with several seconds of murmurs and groans from the crowd. "Well, you know, I know that many of you, like me were disappointed by recent remarks that he made.”

More groans and at least one “No" from the crowd.

“And I think it's important that, you know, we give people the chance to really compare and contrast us,” Clinton continued. “You know, I am well aware that at a fundraiser in San Francisco, he said some things that many people in Pennsylvania and beyond Pennsylvania have found offensive.”

A few more “No”s.

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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/14/888068.aspx

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What is the point of this posting? When they release the results tomorrow, post them, but the fact that they are going to continue to poll PA until the primary doesn't seem like news to me. I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case.

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Maybe he's trying to say "[No] New Polling Of PA Coming [Until] Tomorrow".

I think he expects to write a post claiming that the poll shows that this "bitter" bullshit has hurt Obama.

If he wanted to do that, would he not have simply written about the ARG poll? After all, the "bitter"-gate nonsense broke on the 11th, and the ARG poll was taken between the 11th and the 13th, so it would be the first poll since this story entered the news cylce. The recent Susquehana poll, by contrast, was taken from Apr 6-10. As such, if a pundit wanted to adduce poll results to show that the "bitter" remarks have hurt Obama, they are already at hand. The fact that Mr Sargent has not written such a post based on the ARG results would cut against your hypothesis as to why he wrote this post.

It's like pre-cum to him, I guess.

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Gallup shows Obama maintaining his lead over the weekend.

hmmm...why would Greg post this now? This is not a newsworthy item.

Did he get word from the HRC camp that there is good news coming for her and is playing it up in advance? Am I paranoid?

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You are.

You're spot on, Mojo.

Clinton leads Obama in Penn. by 18 in SurveyUSA, best polster out there.

Then today, ARG, not a great pollster has her leading him by 20 points.

I predict she will beat his elites but by at least 18 or more!

Anything less than 20 and she's a piker.

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Hillary set off Automated Bullshit Detector Sirens when she addressed Labor crowd:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Pennsylvania crowd jeers Clinton attacks on Obama

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Well, what do you expect from those blue-collar elitists? They're out of touch with America.

Unless they're doing something special, a Q-Poll would seem likely to be of limited use to gauging the impact of thing in any case. They poll over the course of an entire week, so any effect will be diluted, at best. They also tend to lag several days behind in their releases which makes me wonder whether there will be much, or any, post- Bitterness data.

What I'd really like to see a PPP or SUSA taken in the middle of this week.

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So Obama had some plants in the audience. What else is new?

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Hillary Rambo Clinton, The Heroine of Tuzla, is the one who has been caught planting people and questions in her audiences. I bet she will now claim that she had them working undercover to be on guard for snipers.

You could, perhaps, explain the few shouts of "no" by recourse to the explanation of Obama "plants," but how do you explain the lack of any response? That is to say, her "applause" lines fell totally flat; the audience simply sat there in unimpressed silence. To explain that by recourse to "plants" you would need to hypothesize that Obama filled the entire audience with his supporters. Given that this was an AFL-CIO affiliated forum, you had best hope that this is not the real explanation, because if Obama really has the kind of sway with the AFL-CIO necessary to achieve that outcome, Sen Clinton has no chance.

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Really? Your going to go with that contention on this? You realize that this "controversy" (I use the word "controversy" like I use the word "entertainment" in relation to Dancing with the Stars) started because a (presumably) pro-Hillary party audio-taped a closed door Obama meeting, and released it to the Huffingtonpost, to be parsed and misconstrued for hashing/rehashing...
You have made one of those hacktacular claims that roll so easily of the tongue, but what is it based on upon? We're you at the Hillary event?

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As to elitism -- Obama went to an upperclass prep school in Hawaii -- Clinton went to a public highschool in Illinois.

So who is more likely to understand how most Americans think.

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Obviously the one doing shots of Crown Royal!

The one ducking sniper fire in Tuzla, obviously.

Obviously the person who spent 12 pampered years as the first lady of Arkansas followed by 8 pampered years as first lady of the United States. No one truly understands the plight of America's blue collar class than a pampered rich woman who hasn't worked a blue collar job in 35 years - if ever.

I thought Obama went to a madrassa in Indonesia! Get your talking points straight...

Right. It's all about high school. Everything is always about high school.

Obama went to an upperclass prep school in Hawaii -- Clinton went to a public highschool in Illinois...

... and Franklin D. Roosevelt went to Groton School in Massachusetts. What is your point?

Boy, do I feel guilty for going to a private prep high school and making $20k a year after that. I am an out-of-touch elitist because I got a good education, and what can I possibly know about facing a health care crisis or living check-to-check. :(

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The stupidity of that claim defies belief, do you really think that the people who read THIS blog don't have access to f***ing wikipedia? Holy shit man, seriously, google the personal history on the two and let me know what you come up with. (Hint:Don't get TOO hung up on the 109million in income, or the Walmart board of directors stuff)

And please don't bother to insult me on forming an opinion and those two issues (109million and Walmart board), they are not deal breakers to me, I can get over it with Hillary, it might even be a sign of strength (experience, success, blah blah blah), but the ONE THING it does is raise the collective antenae for BULLSHIT, and Hill/08 is as an earlier poster put it, setting off the automated bullshit detectors ALL OVER.

And Shrillary went to Wellesley and Yale.

Just two lower class schools, right?

I is really sad, and annoying actually, to see HRC care more about a win, that won't get her anywhere, than the party and her supporters. None of this will help her in the long run, and I think she has lost tons of respect. She's a mess and making a mess of the Democratic party as a whole. What really is stunning is that she just does not give a damn. I am dismayed that she would stoop to this level of discourse over a non-issue. I am bitter, about her.

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All Obama has to do is win and get enough elected delegates to clinch the nomination before the convention, and this will stop. In the meantime, he hasn't and she's been competitive. This is what a race is; compete until the end, not give up when you are behind, but your opponent hasn't won, either.

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I love Hillary Clinton. She always makes me laugh.

Her Bill says that she is Old and Forgetful, but I think she is the funniest whiskey and vodka swilling old woman since the late great Moms Mabley.

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Now this post is boilerplate

The whore will win PA. We know this already. It doesn't mean anything because the race is over, so let's all just move on ok?

WATCH: Clinton Heckled, Obama Cheered Over 'Bitter' Remarks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/14/need-headline_n_96578.html

I is really sad, and annoying actually, to see HRC care more about a win, that won't get her anywhere, than the party and her supporters. None of this will help her in the long run, and I think she has lost tons of respect.

I agree.

She certainly pushed me to the point where I have nothing but contempt left. The bitterness thing is the last straw - straight up Rove politics and campaigning. What does she think she's doing? She's infuriated a huge swath of Democrats.

I'm sick of this entire issue, but I sure like looking at Louise Brooks. Thanks!

New Comment Coming Tomorrow

It's due out sometime after a post about the upcoming Quinnipiac poll.

It's possible, even likely, that my comment will be insightful and wry. So there will be keen interest in this comment, to say the least.

The last comment from me was found to be totally off topic.

Is today a slow day at Election Central?

I ask only because a post about a poll coming out tomorrow doesn't seem noteworthy.

Clinton getting booed, this morning, for comments about Obama? I might be interested in that...

Gallup Daily: Obama Numbers Holding Strong (O50%; C40%):

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Numbers-Holding-Strong.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama, who has come under attack by his presidential rivals for describing small-town voters as "bitter," seems to be weathering the storm to this point as far as voters are concerned. He maintains a 10 percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, 50% to 40%, according to the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking.

After 3 days of NON-STOP hysteria by HRC, McCain, Corp. Media and HRC dead enders and this is the movement? The wrong direction?

Ouch.

Not only are Obama's numbers holding up, they've gon up during HRC's jump-the-bitter-shark moment.

Hilary Clinton's numbers are actually FALLING as the bitterness SHE permeates shows right through the corp. media colored glasses, despite her and their best efforts.

Annie Get You Gun Clinton now being laughed at and heckled.

Contrary to the cable news hype, real people out in the real world don't give a shit.


Anyone else see this hysterical story?

Hillary's Neighbors Invade PA for Barack (With Pics/video):

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/14/13389/5052/824/495482

Too Funny.

The neighbor's do know you best.

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What I haven't seen mentioned is the buried lede in the story about the San Francisco fundraiser where Obama made the offensive comments.

"Man-of-the-peoplw-who will-not be-beholden-special-interests" was begging fro bucks from Gordon Getty and his ultra-rich, elite crowd.

Obama is a fake
Obama is a deceiver
Obama is and obamination.

Clinton must win for the sake of the party and the country.

Too Funny.

The neighbor's do know you best

Too funny is right - anyone else remember the '04 website - Bushes for Kerry - a whole brace of George's cousins campaigning against him?


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So far today with the exception of the Gallup poll, there isn't much good news for Obama. Particularly revealing was the Rasmussen poll that questioned voters on the "cling to faith and guns because of bitterness" gaff. That poll showed much disapproval for Obama's comments, especially among those who have been paying attention to the story. And so far only 25% have been paying attention. That percentage is sure to grow.

Frankly I don't see how he can successfully fight his own remarks. The attempt to refocus the debate on his choice of words rather than his underlying attitude has had more success with his supporters than any one else. The same is true with his "Annie Oakley" insult and attention to Hillary having a shot of bourbon. It gives his fans something to laugh about at an otherwise nervous moment, but to every one else it comes across like a somewhat desperate attempt to change the subject. It also further undermines his claim of being a uniter and a different kind of politician.

I also have noticed a pattern at Fox News. They have pretty much buried their earlier story about Jeremiah Wright's remarks this weekend in which he again tore into America for slavery, and went so far as to call Thomas Jefferson a pedophile. Folks, Fox News (and therefore the GOP) is saving this stuff up to use later.

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Crown Royal is NOT bourbon. It is blended Canadian whisky. Produced on the shores of Lake Winnipeg in Manitoba, Canada. Imported into the U.S. under the auspices of NAFTA.

"Folks, Fox News (and therefore the GOP) is saving this stuff up to use later."

Really? You think?

Guess what will happen if Hillary is nominated. Just guess...

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Interesting General Election match-up polls from Michigan. Hillary WAY behind McCain. Obama in front of McCain. Greg, do a write up on this. Why is this news? Because one of Hillary's key arguments is that Obama can't win the big states. Another one is that the rust belt states will revolt against him because he's an elitist.

Michigan is a swing state, and one that the Democrats will desperately need in November. And Hillary's far behind McCain there.

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NM...Eric gave mention to it in his post.

Todya's Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll:

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Obama leads Clinton 48% to 44%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

No change either.

Tomorrow's PA Polls will be interesting. My bet: Things remaning within 1 -2 point from last time or it gets even closer.

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In light of the recent history of "Friday afternoon" issues, does anyone else find it a little offensive that THIS Friday afternoon "issue" is being given (manufactured) legs?
Friday April 11th 2008, ABCnews (gag, cough) released a report detailing some of the process that took place on the "slip and slide ride to torture" that became official American policy (albeit gift wrapped in euphemisms and plausible deniability).
The GWB cabinet met without him present to use questionable legal and logical reasoning to justify systemized torture of detainees. GWB admitted he knew and supported the discussion (but didn't participate in it????). There are about 100 fundamental and disturbing issues that should be discussed to DEATH in the days following this kind of revelation, but, YAWN... that whipper snapper young guy is a brainy elitist nerd...
and, and, and...
Holy back flippin' jebus...

the problem is, most here already know that Bush legalized Torture, and the right doesn't care.

Nothing to do but keep calling McCain on his hypocrisy, and vote a Democrat to be President.

Breaking news: The sun is expected to rise early tomorrow morning.

It is possible, even likely, that a fair amount of moonlight will be seen during the night, although a period of considerable darkness might occur. So there will be keen interest in tomorrow's sunrise, to say the least.

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wth? THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

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Brain fart from idiotic.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR IDIOTIC!!

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"Some one you would like to have a beer with"

Well you got him folks, for the past seven years. How has that worked out for you.

Hillary, Shot and a Beer, Clinton is running for Bush's third term.

Hillary thinks that the American Voters are so stupid that they will keep falling for the same Bullshit over and over.

Will you? Hillary believes that you will.

Are you really craving for George W. Bush in a Kevlar, sniper defying, Pantsuit!!!!

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Well, don't think I can agree with that, but I will say that Hillary is projecting that the problem with the last 8 years was WHO was doing it not WHAT was being done.
But, blah blah blah, who cares?
I'm afraid at this point someone has to explain to Hillary, that, sadly, it's not about her anymore.

Is Clinton more "vetted" than Obama? It doesn't matter, maybe because Penn wasn't as vetted as he should have been...

Hillary has been triangulated.
BushLite(McSame)-BushLighter(Hillary)vs Obama

And that is unfortunately the reality with which we live...
It is what it is. (to quote McCain on Iraq,er mortgage crisis, er diplomacy, well --everything)

Clinton 61%, Obama 37%...the race will go on and on and Americans will get to see the real socialist Obama.

It was nice to hear Rush and Hannity all over Obama's Frisco comments today. Also, thank God for the Reverend Wright, the pastor continues the pattern of hateful anti-American supporters to include recently proud to be American Michelle Obama.

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Marginal Player is an A.N.T.

ANT(Aryan Nation Troll)

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Yes yes, Democratz is poopy...
We get it.
nice + Rush + Hannity in same sentences, wow!
I always wondered does trolling pay well? Do you have benefits? Does a lack of self respect lead to erectile dysfunction?
Inquiring minds would like to know...

Well PPP poll for NC over the last 2 days makes it look like it hasn't hurt him here in NC.

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After this latest disgusting display of pure political hackdom by Hillary Clinton, I've almost talked myself out of voting for her in the extremely unlikely chance that she gets the nomination.

Maybe we need to stop rewarding this type of politicking with our votes.

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