New Polling Of Pennsylvania Coming Tomorrow
It's due out tomorrow morning from Quinnipiac.
It's possible, even likely, that a fair amount of the polling will have been done during the controversy over Obama's "small town" comments, which broke Friday late afternoon and were covered relentlessly by the Pennsylvania media over the weekend. So there will be keen interest in this poll, to say the least.
The last Q-poll found that Obama had narrowed the gap considerably with Hillary in the state.
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Comments (64)
Obama had WHAT with Hillary?
April 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
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April 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least one sign here that this whole riff-raff may not be playing out to the same effect on the ground with voters in PA as it has inside the media sphere:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/14/888068.aspx
April 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is the point of this posting? When they release the results tomorrow, post them, but the fact that they are going to continue to poll PA until the primary doesn't seem like news to me. I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case.
April 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he's trying to say "[No] New Polling Of PA Coming [Until] Tomorrow".
April 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he expects to write a post claiming that the poll shows that this "bitter" bullshit has hurt Obama.
April 14, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he wanted to do that, would he not have simply written about the ARG poll? After all, the "bitter"-gate nonsense broke on the 11th, and the ARG poll was taken between the 11th and the 13th, so it would be the first poll since this story entered the news cylce. The recent Susquehana poll, by contrast, was taken from Apr 6-10. As such, if a pundit wanted to adduce poll results to show that the "bitter" remarks have hurt Obama, they are already at hand. The fact that Mr Sargent has not written such a post based on the ARG results would cut against your hypothesis as to why he wrote this post.
April 14, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's like pre-cum to him, I guess.
April 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gallup shows Obama maintaining his lead over the weekend.
April 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
hmmm...why would Greg post this now? This is not a newsworthy item.
Did he get word from the HRC camp that there is good news coming for her and is playing it up in advance? Am I paranoid?
April 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are.
April 14, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're spot on, Mojo.
April 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton leads Obama in Penn. by 18 in SurveyUSA, best polster out there.
Then today, ARG, not a great pollster has her leading him by 20 points.
I predict she will beat his elites but by at least 18 or more!
April 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anything less than 20 and she's a piker.
April 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary set off Automated Bullshit Detector Sirens when she addressed Labor crowd:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Pennsylvania crowd jeers Clinton attacks on Obama
April 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, what do you expect from those blue-collar elitists? They're out of touch with America.
April 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unless they're doing something special, a Q-Poll would seem likely to be of limited use to gauging the impact of thing in any case. They poll over the course of an entire week, so any effect will be diluted, at best. They also tend to lag several days behind in their releases which makes me wonder whether there will be much, or any, post- Bitterness data.
What I'd really like to see a PPP or SUSA taken in the middle of this week.
April 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Obama had some plants in the audience. What else is new?
April 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Rambo Clinton, The Heroine of Tuzla, is the one who has been caught planting people and questions in her audiences. I bet she will now claim that she had them working undercover to be on guard for snipers.
April 14, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You could, perhaps, explain the few shouts of "no" by recourse to the explanation of Obama "plants," but how do you explain the lack of any response? That is to say, her "applause" lines fell totally flat; the audience simply sat there in unimpressed silence. To explain that by recourse to "plants" you would need to hypothesize that Obama filled the entire audience with his supporters. Given that this was an AFL-CIO affiliated forum, you had best hope that this is not the real explanation, because if Obama really has the kind of sway with the AFL-CIO necessary to achieve that outcome, Sen Clinton has no chance.
April 14, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? Your going to go with that contention on this? You realize that this "controversy" (I use the word "controversy" like I use the word "entertainment" in relation to Dancing with the Stars) started because a (presumably) pro-Hillary party audio-taped a closed door Obama meeting, and released it to the Huffingtonpost, to be parsed and misconstrued for hashing/rehashing...
You have made one of those hacktacular claims that roll so easily of the tongue, but what is it based on upon? We're you at the Hillary event?
April 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
As to elitism -- Obama went to an upperclass prep school in Hawaii -- Clinton went to a public highschool in Illinois.
So who is more likely to understand how most Americans think.
April 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously the one doing shots of Crown Royal!
April 14, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The one ducking sniper fire in Tuzla, obviously.
April 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously the person who spent 12 pampered years as the first lady of Arkansas followed by 8 pampered years as first lady of the United States. No one truly understands the plight of America's blue collar class than a pampered rich woman who hasn't worked a blue collar job in 35 years - if ever.
April 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought Obama went to a madrassa in Indonesia! Get your talking points straight...
April 14, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. It's all about high school. Everything is always about high school.
April 14, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
... and Franklin D. Roosevelt went to Groton School in Massachusetts. What is your point?
April 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy, do I feel guilty for going to a private prep high school and making $20k a year after that. I am an out-of-touch elitist because I got a good education, and what can I possibly know about facing a health care crisis or living check-to-check. :(
April 14, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The stupidity of that claim defies belief, do you really think that the people who read THIS blog don't have access to f***ing wikipedia? Holy shit man, seriously, google the personal history on the two and let me know what you come up with. (Hint:Don't get TOO hung up on the 109million in income, or the Walmart board of directors stuff)
And please don't bother to insult me on forming an opinion and those two issues (109million and Walmart board), they are not deal breakers to me, I can get over it with Hillary, it might even be a sign of strength (experience, success, blah blah blah), but the ONE THING it does is raise the collective antenae for BULLSHIT, and Hill/08 is as an earlier poster put it, setting off the automated bullshit detectors ALL OVER.
April 14, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Shrillary went to Wellesley and Yale.
Just two lower class schools, right?
April 14, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I is really sad, and annoying actually, to see HRC care more about a win, that won't get her anywhere, than the party and her supporters. None of this will help her in the long run, and I think she has lost tons of respect. She's a mess and making a mess of the Democratic party as a whole. What really is stunning is that she just does not give a damn. I am dismayed that she would stoop to this level of discourse over a non-issue. I am bitter, about her.
April 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
All Obama has to do is win and get enough elected delegates to clinch the nomination before the convention, and this will stop. In the meantime, he hasn't and she's been competitive. This is what a race is; compete until the end, not give up when you are behind, but your opponent hasn't won, either.
April 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love Hillary Clinton. She always makes me laugh.
Her Bill says that she is Old and Forgetful, but I think she is the funniest whiskey and vodka swilling old woman since the late great Moms Mabley.
April 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now this post is boilerplate
April 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whore will win PA. We know this already. It doesn't mean anything because the race is over, so let's all just move on ok?
April 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
WATCH: Clinton Heckled, Obama Cheered Over 'Bitter' Remarks
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/14/need-headline_n_96578.html
April 14, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree.
She certainly pushed me to the point where I have nothing but contempt left. The bitterness thing is the last straw - straight up Rove politics and campaigning. What does she think she's doing? She's infuriated a huge swath of Democrats.
April 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sick of this entire issue, but I sure like looking at Louise Brooks. Thanks!
April 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
New Comment Coming Tomorrow
It's due out sometime after a post about the upcoming Quinnipiac poll.
It's possible, even likely, that my comment will be insightful and wry. So there will be keen interest in this comment, to say the least.
The last comment from me was found to be totally off topic.
April 14, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is today a slow day at Election Central?
I ask only because a post about a poll coming out tomorrow doesn't seem noteworthy.
Clinton getting booed, this morning, for comments about Obama? I might be interested in that...
April 14, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gallup Daily: Obama Numbers Holding Strong (O50%; C40%):
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Numbers-Holding-Strong.aspx
After 3 days of NON-STOP hysteria by HRC, McCain, Corp. Media and HRC dead enders and this is the movement? The wrong direction?
Ouch.
Not only are Obama's numbers holding up, they've gon up during HRC's jump-the-bitter-shark moment.
Hilary Clinton's numbers are actually FALLING as the bitterness SHE permeates shows right through the corp. media colored glasses, despite her and their best efforts.
Annie Get You Gun Clinton now being laughed at and heckled.
Contrary to the cable news hype, real people out in the real world don't give a shit.
April 14, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone else see this hysterical story?
Hillary's Neighbors Invade PA for Barack (With Pics/video):
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/14/13389/5052/824/495482
Too Funny.
The neighbor's do know you best.
April 14, 2008 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I haven't seen mentioned is the buried lede in the story about the San Francisco fundraiser where Obama made the offensive comments.
"Man-of-the-peoplw-who will-not be-beholden-special-interests" was begging fro bucks from Gordon Getty and his ultra-rich, elite crowd.
Obama is a fake
Obama is a deceiver
Obama is and obamination.
Clinton must win for the sake of the party and the country.
April 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too funny is right - anyone else remember the '04 website - Bushes for Kerry - a whole brace of George's cousins campaigning against him?
April 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
So far today with the exception of the Gallup poll, there isn't much good news for Obama. Particularly revealing was the Rasmussen poll that questioned voters on the "cling to faith and guns because of bitterness" gaff. That poll showed much disapproval for Obama's comments, especially among those who have been paying attention to the story. And so far only 25% have been paying attention. That percentage is sure to grow.
Frankly I don't see how he can successfully fight his own remarks. The attempt to refocus the debate on his choice of words rather than his underlying attitude has had more success with his supporters than any one else. The same is true with his "Annie Oakley" insult and attention to Hillary having a shot of bourbon. It gives his fans something to laugh about at an otherwise nervous moment, but to every one else it comes across like a somewhat desperate attempt to change the subject. It also further undermines his claim of being a uniter and a different kind of politician.
I also have noticed a pattern at Fox News. They have pretty much buried their earlier story about Jeremiah Wright's remarks this weekend in which he again tore into America for slavery, and went so far as to call Thomas Jefferson a pedophile. Folks, Fox News (and therefore the GOP) is saving this stuff up to use later.
April 14, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Crown Royal is NOT bourbon. It is blended Canadian whisky. Produced on the shores of Lake Winnipeg in Manitoba, Canada. Imported into the U.S. under the auspices of NAFTA.
April 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Folks, Fox News (and therefore the GOP) is saving this stuff up to use later."
Really? You think?
Guess what will happen if Hillary is nominated. Just guess...
April 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting General Election match-up polls from Michigan. Hillary WAY behind McCain. Obama in front of McCain. Greg, do a write up on this. Why is this news? Because one of Hillary's key arguments is that Obama can't win the big states. Another one is that the rust belt states will revolt against him because he's an elitist.
Michigan is a swing state, and one that the Democrats will desperately need in November. And Hillary's far behind McCain there.
April 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
NM...Eric gave mention to it in his post.
April 14, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Todya's Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
No change either.
Tomorrow's PA Polls will be interesting. My bet: Things remaning within 1 -2 point from last time or it gets even closer.
April 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
In light of the recent history of "Friday afternoon" issues, does anyone else find it a little offensive that THIS Friday afternoon "issue" is being given (manufactured) legs?
Friday April 11th 2008, ABCnews (gag, cough) released a report detailing some of the process that took place on the "slip and slide ride to torture" that became official American policy (albeit gift wrapped in euphemisms and plausible deniability).
The GWB cabinet met without him present to use questionable legal and logical reasoning to justify systemized torture of detainees. GWB admitted he knew and supported the discussion (but didn't participate in it????). There are about 100 fundamental and disturbing issues that should be discussed to DEATH in the days following this kind of revelation, but, YAWN... that whipper snapper young guy is a brainy elitist nerd...
and, and, and...
Holy back flippin' jebus...
April 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
the problem is, most here already know that Bush legalized Torture, and the right doesn't care.
Nothing to do but keep calling McCain on his hypocrisy, and vote a Democrat to be President.
April 14, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Breaking news: The sun is expected to rise early tomorrow morning.
It is possible, even likely, that a fair amount of moonlight will be seen during the night, although a period of considerable darkness might occur. So there will be keen interest in tomorrow's sunrise, to say the least.
April 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
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April 14, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
wth? THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
April 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brain fart from idiotic.
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR IDIOTIC!!
April 14, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Some one you would like to have a beer with"
Well you got him folks, for the past seven years. How has that worked out for you.
Hillary, Shot and a Beer, Clinton is running for Bush's third term.
Hillary thinks that the American Voters are so stupid that they will keep falling for the same Bullshit over and over.
Will you? Hillary believes that you will.
Are you really craving for George W. Bush in a Kevlar, sniper defying, Pantsuit!!!!
April 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, don't think I can agree with that, but I will say that Hillary is projecting that the problem with the last 8 years was WHO was doing it not WHAT was being done.
But, blah blah blah, who cares?
I'm afraid at this point someone has to explain to Hillary, that, sadly, it's not about her anymore.
Is Clinton more "vetted" than Obama? It doesn't matter, maybe because Penn wasn't as vetted as he should have been...
Hillary has been triangulated.
BushLite(McSame)-BushLighter(Hillary)vs Obama
And that is unfortunately the reality with which we live...
It is what it is. (to quote McCain on Iraq,er mortgage crisis, er diplomacy, well --everything)
April 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton 61%, Obama 37%...the race will go on and on and Americans will get to see the real socialist Obama.
It was nice to hear Rush and Hannity all over Obama's Frisco comments today. Also, thank God for the Reverend Wright, the pastor continues the pattern of hateful anti-American supporters to include recently proud to be American Michelle Obama.
April 14, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player is an A.N.T.
ANT(Aryan Nation Troll)
April 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes yes, Democratz is poopy...
We get it.
nice + Rush + Hannity in same sentences, wow!
I always wondered does trolling pay well? Do you have benefits? Does a lack of self respect lead to erectile dysfunction?
Inquiring minds would like to know...
April 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well PPP poll for NC over the last 2 days makes it look like it hasn't hurt him here in NC.
April 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
After this latest disgusting display of pure political hackdom by Hillary Clinton, I've almost talked myself out of voting for her in the extremely unlikely chance that she gets the nomination.
Maybe we need to stop rewarding this type of politicking with our votes.
April 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink