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New Hillary Ad Has Her Answering Question From A North Carolina Voter
Hillary Clinton has a new one-minute ad in North Carolina, as part of her NCAskMe.com campaign in which she's asked North Carolinians to submit questions to her online:
Clinton needs to win virtually every remaining primary in order to seriously dent Barack Obama's delegate lead, and he's been enjoying big leads in the North Carolina polls. An effort to be more open and accessible to the general public might help Clinton narrow that gap, especially as the campaign now takes advantage of an opening supplied by the "bitter" controversy.
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Can you please post the script of the ad, as I am deaf and cannot follow the ad without a script?
April 14, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Beautiful spot. Clinton's knowledge and expertise
shine through. God, I hope this woman is our president.
She isn't just talk. She gets things done.
The press doesn't even mention that her bill on
child safety just passed through congress.
She is a workaholic, an driven to make the country
better.
April 14, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
She isn't just talk? She's a chronic liar.
April 14, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
What has she "gotten done", exactly? What'd I miss?
April 14, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really great. It will only take 20 or 30 years to develop clean fuels and cars that run on them. I think Tammy from North Carolina was looking for more immediate relief.
April 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, are you like, trying to parody a drooling, blindly loyal Obama supporter or are you for real? Just curious.
April 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I respect Hillary. She's a serious-minded legislator, who loves to delve into fine-grained policy debates. But are her best solutions to rising gas prices include R&D for "creating new alternative energy over here," and putting "more hybrid vehicles on the fast-track"? We can debate the merits of those proposals, but their common feature is a long time-frame; it's unlikely we'd see any serious shift in American energy use as a result of either initiative until after her (hypothetical) second term. All but a few hybrid models currently on the roads have used most of their fuel savings to goose performance, and the alternative energy sector is promising but a long way from providing enough energy to hold our oil imports constant, let alone to start reducing them. And let's be blunt - the state that's currently home to Duke Energy and Progress Energy, which between them, employ nearly 20k workers in the Carolina, will be lucky just to hold on to the energy jobs it currently has, as the sector evolves. The "green collar" jobs that come in are likely to be for more highly-skilled, better-trained individuals than many of the current workers, further exacerbating the squeeze on the lower middle class in North Carolina.
I'm not trying to pick on Hillary here. But she was asked about a present, pressing concern - high gas prices - and responds with standard bromides, and with plans that might pay off a decade or more in the future. I don't think her questioner wanted to hear, "Buy a hybrid!" or "We'll invent something new to replace oil!" There's nothing better or worse about Hillary's response than what most politicians have offered in response to rising gas prices. But from where I sit, if she was trying to demonstrate a serious, practical engagement with issues that matter to actual voters, this is pretty thin gruel.
April 14, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hm, I disagree with your take on this, dear FotW. I gather from your response to the ad that you know something about the timeline for the R&D that she is proposing. I, on the other hand, no nothing about this subject, which I dare say makes me more like an undecided NC voter than you are. I listened to this ad and came away mightily impressed. I dare say that if I were an undecided NC voter (which, of course, I am not) this ad would move me 9/10 of the way from undecided into the Clinton column.
This is especially true given that while you claim that this ad is thin gruel, I can assure you that the gruel could be much, much thinner. Imagine (and it is not at all hard) the campaign spot that promised to cut gasoline taxes or install profit "ceilings" on the "big petroleum corporations"; this would be just as fatuous, only without even the veneer of a long term benefit.
I admit that I would have been even more impressed with the politician who would say in response to this question "ordinary Americans ought not to be driving themselves to work; carpooling is both cheaper and more efficient," but that is only as much as to say that I was impressed when Mondale was candid enough to admit that he would raise taxes. Obviously, however, this is not a winning strategy, so as pandering goes, I think that the ad above is actually fairly admirable.
April 14, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Greg:
You make an important point, and it's one I've raised before. The difference between Hillary and Obama isn't found in the extent of their engagement with nitty-gritty policy details. It's not that Clinton is substantive and Obama inspirational. It's a difference in style, in presentation.
I think that often gets overlooked. There is really nothing substantive about Hillary's response to her interlocutor here. She's asked a tough question to which there are no good, short-term solutions. She doesn't say that. In fact, she doesn't address the actual question at all. Putting more hybrids on the roads won't reduce gas prices; raising fuel efficiency might do that - she confuses the means here with the ends - but even if more efficient vehicles started rolling off the lines tomorrow, there'd be a long lag while the current fleet is phased out. Similarly, alternative energy isn't going to cut demand for oil for a long, long time to come. And ironically, the most effective means of promoting hybrids and other fuel-efficient vehicles as well as alternative energy is likely to be high oil prices. There's just nothing in this ad that speaks to the short-term concerns of the voter.
But as you point out, it's not about substance, it's about style. If Obama were to cut a 60-second ad responding to the same question, I rather suspect he'd inveigh against the powerful, entrenched Washington interests and oil companies with obscene profits that support the status quo, and promise to bring real change. Working folks anxiously eyeing the prices at the pump are more likely to find Hillary's presentation appealing than Obama's - it gives the illusion of offering practical solutions, even though neither response actually offers a short-term fix.
What irks me is that Obama's rhetoric is generally written about as rhetoric, and Hillary's rhetoric is generally characterized as substance. These are both rhetorical postures. Throwing out a three-point plan for every last thing that ails America isn't really any different than speaking loftily about the power of hope and the need for change. Neither gives us more than a vague guide to the actual proposals that'll be implemented once the politician assumes office.
So yes, Hillary's ad is likely to be reasonably effective. But I find it dissappointing, because she's passing up an opportunity here for substance, in favor of grand rhetorical flourishes being passed off as substance.
April 14, 2008 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here, in fact, is the text of Obama's ad on the issue:
Obama: Since the gas lines of the ’70s, Democrats and Republicans have talked about energy independence, but nothing’s changed — except now Exxon’s making $40 billion a year, and we’re paying $3.50 for gas.
I’m Barack Obama. I don’t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won’t let them block change anymore. They’ll pay a penalty on windfall profits. We’ll invest in alternative energy, create jobs and free ourselves from foreign oil.
I approve this message because it’s time that Washington worked for you. Not them.
April 14, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Incidentally, I remember hearing someone say (and I have no idea if this is a widely agreed consensus or a pet theory of the one particular economist who made the claim) on NPR that only ~2/3 of the present price of gas can be explained by supply and demand. The other 1/3 is the effect of speculators who are investing in petroleum because they expect the market to tighten. In other words, the price hike is, in significant measure, a bubble. As such, even if the timeline for the R&D that Sen Clinton is here proposing is a long one, the mere fact that she is giving investors reason to think that demand will not keep accelerating at present rates might serve to deflate the speculation bubble, resulting in a lowering of pump prices in the much shorter term. In other words, this might be much thicker gruel than that for which you are giving her credit.
April 14, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
yes, greg, i agree... there is a lot of speculation in oil. one of the things driving the speculation is the ever-weakening u.s. dollar (see my post below)... as long as speculators think that the dollar will stay weak, then they will keep pushing the prices for commodities higher (along with other factors that make people want to own commodities during an inflationary period.)
April 14, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, yes and no.
Certainly, the markets are pricing in assumptions about future demand into the currently escalating prices. But it's not, for the most part, about American demand. Bear in mind that oil is an international market. The run-up in prices has far, far more to do with persistent double-digit economic growth in China, exploding demand in India, and the general mushrooming of personal automobiles and consumption throughout the developing world. Gas prices are up. They're highly likely to stay significantly higher than they've been in the past. And what Hillary's hinting at, but won't come out and say, is that there's remarkably little that we can do on our own to change that dynamic, so we might as well look for cars that burn less gas and develop other fuels.
As for the relatively small role that assumptions about future American demand play in the pricing models, I think you may be overstating the impact of policy initiatives. After all, if markets responded to promises from our political leadership of alternative energy, prices would've been falling for the past thirty-five years with each shiny new initiative.
April 14, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
the markets aren't afraid of the words of politicians. only when those words are translated into action and/or legislation will the markets react.
April 14, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your analysis is perfection.
April 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I mean flyonthewall, your analysis is perfection.
April 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've got a question: go home.
April 14, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
In her long senatorial career, what exactly has she done to provide stable energy costs for this country?
April 14, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
About as much as any other senator: virtually nothing. Also worth noting that during her entire career in the senate, she's lacked a 60-vote majority, and had to contend with a president from the other party. What, precisely, would you expect her to have done?
There's a real silliness in judging the competence and fitness of presidential candidates in terms of their legislative achievements. There's a lot to be learned from their time in the public eye, including their legislative experience, but it can't easily be tallied up in terms of bills passed or initiatives introduced. There are too many confounding factors - Did they serve on a committee with jurisdiction? If so, were they in a position to introduce their own legislation, or did they defer to the chair/ranking member? Were the bills they introduced grandstanding gestures or viable initiatives?
Being president just ain't like being a senator. It's part of the absurdity of Hillary's posture; like Josh, I think her campaign would have been far more compelling had it focused on her knowledge and positions, and not on specious claims that her tenure magically made her more qualified to serve as our nation's executive. There's a lot to criticize in this ad, but I don't think hypocrisy is among its flaws.
April 14, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with FOTW. It's a good answer for the long-term (one I support), but it won't do anything to address this woman's needs over the next few years.
The hard truth is that there isn't much a president can do to directly lower gas prices. The countries selling us oil have no incentive to increase production to bring down costs. I have no idea what could be done to change that.
The real answer to this woman's question is that people need more economic security, better-paying jobs and fewer drains on their resources. Government can make a difference there sooner with things like healthcare reform and job creation programs.
April 14, 2008 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
the only thing that will cause gasoline and oil prices to go down is a stronger U.S. dollar. as long as the Federal Reserve keeps pumping money out at record rates while lowering interest rates and the federal government keeps spending overspending, then the U.S. dollar will not have a sustained recovery. so people can expect higher prices for oil and all commodities.
a president can do something about reckless fiscal behavior and strengthening the dollar.
which candidate has been most credible here? definitely not mccain who will keep the trillion dollar folly in iraq going forever... hillary's been pretty good about saying how she's going to pay for stuff... but none of the candidates want to allow the markets to "clear"... all the politicians are hell-bent on saving everyone and everything from natural consequences. that's inflationary... hello high gas prices!
April 14, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
p.s. sorry, i should have said that the only thing that will have an immediate effect of causing oil to go down is a stronger dollar... of course, there are plenty of long-term proposals that might work, too...
April 14, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
My question. Can we define pathetic as insisting on continuing a losing campaign and sinking to the lowest depths with your less than honest campaign strategies?
Don't look to NC to support your mess!
April 14, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't heard her say that she would at the very least bring legislation to stop the filling of our nataional strategic reserves, which would be a good start. I seem to remember that Bill would fill the reserve at a low price and then sell off oil when the price started to spike. If the supply goes up, the price goes down.
Just a start....
April 14, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I live in NC but i have yet to meet a Clinton supporter. But i dont talk to a lot of 65+ people with no education so i guess i dont talk to her base very often.
April 14, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Come on.
No one has done more for energy issues that Barack Obama.
April 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
It would also help Clinton if the votes of Michigan and Florida counted. They should, since those are real people living and voting in those states, not just pawns in a political game. And it might be a good idea not to piss off the Democratic voters in two important swing states.
April 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not that I really disagree with you, dear Otto F, but honestly, what does this have to do with the NC ad above?
April 14, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh,dear commenter, but Obama has zero experience and can't possibly understand the complexities of a real energy policy.
We all know Hillary will be ready on DAY ONE !
April 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You see my chair is empty because I got off of it and I am giving my time and cash to help put a Democrat in the White House.
I refuse to let this infighting over insignificant, meaningless drivel change that focus, and I hope you will not lose sight of that fact.
April 14, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
No one thinks that Obama lied when he said "bitter"
He has said he didnt say it well and apologized. but everyone thinks what he said was true.
Unlike Hillary who lied about Tuzla many times. Do you want another lying President?
April 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
And, in a PPP poll taken Saturday and Sunday, Hillary is still down by 20 whopping points in NC, even among all those happy, happy small towners.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_041408.pdf
Also of interest, Bev Purdue opened her lead over Richard Moore back up up to ten points (after being almost even with him) following her decision to pull all of her negative advertisments and promist not to run any more. 56% of primary voters had heard of her pledge and she lead Moore by 16 points among those voters.
I already liked her best, but I'm glad that move is paying off for her (so far, at least). It was a gutsy and classy call, given that Moore has been rather, well, kitchen-sinky, against her. But her last negative add was a typical ham-fisted disenguous North Carolina slasher that left a bad taste in my mouth. Hers too, apparently.
April 14, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it odd, given the state that she represents, that she didn't mention mass transit, regional transit and more investment in infrastructure as a way to combat rising gas prices.
April 14, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy"
I haven't seen the TV advertising for either candidate but Obama's website seems to indicate a very similar energy policy
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
April 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink