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Michigan Dems: No Re-Vote
It's really, finally, definitely official now. The Michigan re-vote is dead, with the state Democratic Party releasing the following statement:
The Michigan Democratic Party has carefully reviewed several proposals for a Party-run primary or caucus as a means of resolving the dispute over the seating of the Michigan delegation to the 2008 Democratic National Convention. We have concluded that it is not practical to conduct such a primary or caucus. We will continue to work with the Working Group, the DNC and the candidates to resolve this matter in a manner which is respectful of the views of Democrats in Michigan, and which is fair to those who voted in the January 15th Democratic primary.
Next stop: The credentials committee.
Late Update: Howard Dean and Sen. Carl Levin, plus some other major Michigan Dem names, have released this statement:
"We are united in our commitment to doing everything we can to ensure that a Michigan delegation is seated in Denver this summer. We also know that any solution needs to be acceptable to both Democratic presidential campaigns. While there may be differences of opinion in how we get there, we will continue to work together to ensure that a Michigan delegation is seated and that the logistics are in place for a Michigan delegation in Denver. We have every expectation that we will succeed in that endeavor, and then go on to win in November."
Late Late Update: Jason Horowitz of The New York Observer reports that Dean got an earful from a roomful of Hillary donors upset that he hasn't done more to resolve the Florida and Michigan standoffs.
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Yet somehow I feel that there will be a few who fail to grasp the reality of the situation and instead choose to blame Obama. Countdown to faux-outrage in 3…2…1…
April 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The count down will be held in November when Michigan and Florida vote Rethuglican.
April 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's all Obama's fault!
"We have concluded that it is not practical to conduct such a primary or caucus." - The Michigan Democratic Party
Oh, wait, never mind.
April 4, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well the re-vote is dead.
Does anybody in this world actually think the Democratic Party is NOT going to seat the delegations of Michigan and Florida? Hell, technically speaking, the delegations from the other 48 states are neither decided yet, NOR seated at the convention.
This entire line of argument is premature. I for one know that the entire delegation (minus super-delegates) from the State of Minnesota has not yet been selected!
This has always been a specious argument created for the media to slop in lieu of actual election results. Since the Credentials Committee decides on the credentialing of ALL delegates, and that meeting is not expected until July (after the last primary), isn't it rather premature to demand they be seated "now," as I have seen on the Hillary website.
Again, more building a mountain out of a molehill. I'm looking forward to that part of our political "conversation" eliminated once and for all, at least in the Democratic Party.
April 4, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, they really shouldn't be seated. Dean should've held firm or just done something like the RNC did. This would've seemed arbitrary but there is no solution that is totally fair to either Obama or Clinton. The terms he was handed last month would've been absurd for him to consider. And 50-50 isn't quite fair to Clinton now -- though there's no way the votes as cast should stand, and she had some chutzpah to even suggest they should be. To make matters worse, now the voters are feeling vicitimized. So the whole thing's a mess. Something has to be done to stop the hue and cry the voters are raising, but I really can't see what. Unless we remind Sen. Clinton that the 50-50 split is in name only since, as she has repeatedly pointed out, NO delegates are truly pledged.
April 5, 2008 4:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know, every time the Clinton campaign raises one of these procedural issues, so far, they get told "sorry."
Inasmuch as the rules were set and agreed to in advance, there is no reason to change anything now. Especially not just cause you're losing.
I know, Hillary - it's the Republican Way - if you can't win with the rules, change the rules - and that's why I don't like you.
April 4, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those Hillary donors should have directed their ire at the Michigan and Florida Democratic Parties for playing chicken with their respective primaries.
April 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Obama blocked it.
Shame.
April 4, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ding ding ding!! Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner! gotalife has proof, which I'm sure he'll share with us later, that the ubiquitous Barack Obama swooped into Michigan earlier today and personally blocked a re-vote.
SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA! MEET ME IN NORTH DAKOTA!
April 4, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Prove it.
April 4, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try again without just repeating the setup from above. You're better than this GOTL. Give us one of your famed talking point purges so we can all get back on with our day, resting safe in the knowledge that your epic struggle against reality rages on.
(hugs)
April 4, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Plus he got the rebound, took it to the other end of the court and dunked it.
April 4, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama blocked WHAT, you nitwit?
April 4, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm just curious if those same donors ever gave Hillary an earful for saying "It's clear this election they're having is not going to count for anything."
Or were they just not aware she said it.
Hypocrites.
April 4, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. So dumb. They were against the Michigan primary before they were for it.
The sense of entitlement by the Hillary donors is not surprising, especially given the direction she and her campaign have taken, but it's still pretty ridiculous.
April 4, 2008 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a Michigan voter, I do not think that the results of the sham primary should be counted in assessing the final delegate count. The fairest option at this point would seem to be a 50-50 split of the delegates.
That being said, I think it is in everyone's best interest to move this process forward, and Clinton would never allow that to happen. She will take to the airwaves speaking about voter disenfranchisement as she did on the Tonight Show last night. I think it would be best to allocate the delegates by a weighted formula, maybe 25 to 50% based on the January primary andthe rest split down the middle.
As an Obama supporter, I was running for precinct delegate for "uncommitted", but is sounds like they are going to have to rework the delegate selection process. I don't have a snowball's chance in hell in winning , but the county convention should be some great political theater.
April 4, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
As another Michigan voter, let me just say... sigh.
One thing to note -- not only did Obama supporters (along with Edwards supporters) have to vote "uncommitted," but many thought, screw it, it's not going to matter so I might as well pick up the Republican ballot and vote for Ron Paul, or whoever.
Those who voted on the Republican side were going to be blocked from voting Dem on this do-over. One of the reasons there was a push from Clinton and concerns from Obama about this.
It's a mess. My solution would be to have a paintball fight between the Clinton and Uncommitted delegates. Last one to survive gets to be Michigan's Ultra Super Delegate.
April 4, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone remember Josh's post from January entitle No Way?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/163023.phpWe haven't heard much about this in a while.
April 4, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh is another Obama hack.
April 4, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you think the proprietor of this site is a hack, why don't you go somewhere else?
April 4, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh is not posting here.
I enjoy reading his bias and find the bias in this cycle fascinating.
You know, there are millions of Clinton supporters and this blog is not just for Obama don't you?
How rude and arrogant of you to tell me to leave. Who do you think you are?
You owe me an apology for trying to silence my opinion. This is America, with freedom of speech and you want to take that away from me?
I don't think so billy and waiting for an apology.
April 4, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotalife, you crack me up. You're just bitter b/c billsumday is chair of the TYWMLTGBW committee and selected dembillc. Just be happy that Josh lets you post and hasn't banned you like Kos did.
April 4, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I have been banned at many blogs.
I am writing about it and may give you the scoop.
April 4, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? You've got even more stuff to tell us about? Can't wait.
April 4, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice - i could really picture that one in my head, you furling your brow in your best Meg Ryan, tapping out the letters that open up the tender soul so wronged by the hateful bile of Obama supporters.
I'll apologize on Billy's behalf... he my not know how vulnerable and tender you are. But we do.
(hugs)
April 4, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotalife, I am sorry. You are right.
April 4, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
No sir, you are right.
I am pushing the limits to see how far I can go before being banned.
I am writing about it and you will see it soon.
It has been a blast.
Thanks for putting up with me and not banning me.
Peace out.
April 4, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a non-Michigan voter, I hope y'all can work something out. I never did want to have states not participate in the primary and I was sorry the thing got set up that way.
So if y'all can work something out with the party that is fair - I'm all for it.
April 4, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems obvious to me that the best solution is to seat the delegations as follows:
Florida - strip the supers of their votes and seat the pledged delegates as per the results of the primary.
Michigan - strip the supers of their votes and seat the pledged delegates 55% Clinton as per her result with Obama getting the 40% uncommitted and the 5% for Dodd and Kucinich, for a 55-45 split.
This would punish the supers who were responsible for this mess but let the Florida and Michigan voters be heard. Yeah, the Michigan election was a fraud but a 55-45 split with no supers barely changes the delegate math. Obama should accept this as long as the supers are stripped, since the Florida supers are heavily pro-Clinton.
Clinton would be faced with accepting what seems obviously fair on its face but, essentially, sinks her nomination chances since she'll be behind 100+ pledged delegates, or refusing to accept it and being shown to not really care about enfranchising voters.
April 4, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your proposal seems like a perfectly reasonable one (and I especially like the idea of stripping the superdelegates from those states their votes, for precisely the reason that you outlined), but...
For all of the talk about "letting the voters be heard" and hand-wringing about "disenfranchisement," it troubles me that some of these "solutions" suggest that it's okay for a voter to make a decision without having the candidates campaign for their votes, without the candidates having submitted to local questions about local concerns, without all of the candidates having been on the ballot (which surely would have changed at least some of the voters' voting calculus).
Why is it acceptable in a small-d democracy that an election to choose a party's candidate for the highest executive office in the land be based on nothing more than name recognition?
Even the contestants on American Idol have to submit to some sort of examination by that show's "voters." But we suggest that Floridians and Michiganders should vote based on... nothing.
There are first principles that all Democrats should subscribe to, irrespective of the political spin-du-jour of a particular election cycle: voting should be preceded by a campaign; agreed-upon rules are to be followed.
For us to willingly abandon those principles so that a particular candidate can advance her goals, or so that party bigwigs can hobnob in Denver, is rather shameful.
April 4, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's been my opinion for some time that the SD's from both states must not be seated under any circumstances. They are the problem. How the rest gets worked out does not concern me. But I believe it would be a monumental capitulation to behavior is the SD's are seated.
April 4, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is brilliant. I mean, who am I to judge, but it really seems workable. The only problem I see is that the people who stayed home because they didn't think results would count will say their voices won't be heard. They'd likely be Obama's supporters, but it isn't a sure bet that they'd grasp the math the way you do, and so they could wind up barking up the wrong tree.
April 5, 2008 5:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
One caveat: Florida results sould stand EXCEPT that Edwards' delegates should be free to vote their conscience. Obama would pick up at least half of them, possibly a few more, winding him up with a decent spread here too.
April 5, 2008 5:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Eric writes,
"Jason Horowitz of The New York Observer reports that Dean got an earful from a roomful of Hillary donors upset that he hasn't done more to resolve the Florida and Michigan standoffs."
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It looks to me like Dean has gone above and beyond the call of duty to resolve this issue. He simply has not "resolved" it to the satisfaction of Senator Clinton and those who support her campaign.
April 4, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
CarolBG, you're right about Dean's navigation of this quagmire. He knows who those Hillary people are, they are the same assholes who have been fighting his "Fifty State Strategy" since he started his campaign for DNC Chair. They lost then, they lost again when they fought his plan to fund campaigns in all 50 states during the 2006 cycle, Rahm Emmanuel and Chuck Schumer kicked and screamed last year when Dean reaffirmed his 50 State strategy in preparation for congressional races this year, and they lost when Carville and other DLC assholes tried to depose Dean and replace him with Harold Ford, who is now DLC Executive Director (or Chair, not sure of exact title).
I will be deeply gratified when we in the grassroots, along with Dean and the Obama campaign and ActBlue and BlueStateProject and FireDogLake, etc., prove that the party no longer needs those asshole Hillary fundraisers and "bundlers."
April 4, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is the right choice, regardless of who I support. Both states broke the RULES, and now they suffer the consequences.
It's like how when an incident breaks out on the court during an NBA game, if any of the players leave the bench, even a step onto the court, they are suspended without question. The end result? Nobody steps on the court because they know the rules.
End result of Florida and Michigan? You won't see states breaking the rules again.
April 4, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Other States moved theirs too but were not punished.
Fair?
Obama took his name off the ballot because he knew he would lose then block a revote?
Fair?
Count the votes and stop this nonsense.
No revote just count the votes.
Clinton wins the popular vote and the supers give her the nomination.
Deal with it and lets move on to the general where she will win.
April 4, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton left her name on the ballot, even though she pledged her honor to not participate in the election.
That seems fair.
April 4, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
And in keeping with what we've seen of her honor in this cycle.
Go figure.
April 4, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, when is life fair?
April 4, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is now Friday afternoon.
Hillary, where are the tax records.
Hillary, where are the tax records.
Hillary, where are the tax records.
April 4, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to Newsweek, the HRC campaign now says "that it can't confirm whether the records will actually be released today."
April 4, 2008 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Post yours.
What are you hiding?
April 4, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently he's hiding his candidacy for the POTUS. Thanks for flushing the Liam '08 ticket out in the open for us, you birddog you.
(hugs)
April 4, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't want all of America to see mine.
How is kos, doing anything progressive besides being an Obama hack?
April 4, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well you and HRC have something in common today, eh?
Don't know re: dKos - have wasted too much time here today now that i know where you went.
I *really* missed your babbling, GOTL. (hugs x3)
April 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well you and HRC have something in common today, eh?
Don't know re: dKos - have wasted too much time here today now that i know where you went.
I *really* missed your babbling, GOTL. (hugs x3)
April 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Opps. Double Posting = too excited to find Gotalife trolling again - sorry folks.
April 4, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
A recent comment from a Michigan voter said that Hillary wants a re-do whereby only those who did not vote the 'first' time would be allowed to vote the 'second' time. (Sounds like something 6-year-olds would dream up during a T-Ball game.)
Obama says okay to a re-do but everyone will be allowed to vote.
Is this true?
April 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are other factors like who is funding it? Are initial votes discounted, and what about the Republicans who went Dem?
April 4, 2008 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, you have it mixed up a bit.
The original plans for a redo would have blocked any voters that voted in the Republican primary from voting in the new election. Michigan had an open primary, and many Edwards and Obama supporters decided to vote in the Republican primary instead since their candidates were not on the ballot. Hillary supported this proposal for the redo.
It is my understanding that the Obama campaign was opposed to this proposal because it would potentially eliminate large numbers of his supporters from voting in the new election.
It was difficult to float the proposal of an open primary for the redo election since the Republicans would be free to vote and could go for a Limbaughesque Operation Chaos in the Democratic election.
April 4, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama took his name off the ballot because he knew he would get crushed in Michigan.
Count the votes.
April 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bullshit. You're just posting bullshit now. Where's the evidence? Did Edwards do the same because he thought he'd get crushed, too? Why didn't they just give up all together? The Clinton steamroller was just too fearsome!
April 4, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey a fighter. I like that.
She explained it on Leno last night very well. She has a very good point on this matter.
Did you watch it?
April 4, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm more into Letterman. Though I'm always watching The Daily Show and Colbert around then.
April 4, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Closer, but still not up to your standard GOTL. You're not renting this name out to a team are you? The Gotalife brand has come to represent the pinnacle of anti-obama trolling, and yet your posts today are weak stabs at best and incoherently random at worst.
I can recommend a good multi-vitamin if the news cycles are starting to take it out of you.
(hugs)
April 4, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, kos troll, my last name at your favorite blog was "Daily Obama".
Guess how long that lasted?
April 4, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, the good ol' days. Sniff.
Seriously on the multi - you seem tapped out. (hugs)
April 4, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bullsh!t. They both were going to take their names off the ballot, but HRC changed her mind at the last minute.
April 4, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
A brilliant move if you think about how it is playing out.
Don't ya think?
April 4, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
You replied to everyone but me GOTL :(
Are we really not BFF anymore?
(sniff)
April 4, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look up.
I like kos trolls.
April 4, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I know. But you came back to me last, so i'm starting to wonder what happened to that BFF spark. It just isn't magical anymore, GOTL. Not like it was :(
April 4, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Bat Guano and Frog Leg, saved me the trouble . . . .
April 4, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
GTL,
So who's getting crushed now? 50+1 on the pledged delegates for Obama by May 20th, according Chris Bowers at Open Left, followed by a stampede of Supers by all accounts. Sure will be interesting to see the polls after the folks in PA digest the story about Mark Penn and the Columbians' mini-NAFTA. I smell toast and it's not coming from my toaster. Why don't you change your icon to one with Hillary in the blue sari? She looked awful nice in it in New Delhi back in 2005 praising outsourcing.
Amazing the things folks say, isn't it?
April 4, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fox News is of course covering the Michigan re-vote news very closely. They are also running banner headlines describing the "shocking" news that an Obama adviser suggests up to 80,000 troops will remain in Iraq by 2010. And then there's this: "A new poll shows Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama virtually tied for support among Democrats, a surprising development in a race that has seen Obama chalk up big name after big name in recent days and blow away Clinton’s fundraising efforts."
April 4, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rendell is right.
Fair and balanced.
Wow, I heard Keith Obamaman whine about this fact the other night.
Talk about bias, that guy is a disgrace like Jack the Obama hack Cafferty.
The bias is amazing this cycle.
April 4, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotalife -
sit back and listen to yourself man!
FOX news is Fair and Balanced?
The same Fox news that crucified the Clintons time and time again?
The same Fox news where Bill Clinton told off Wallace in one of the best TV moments ever?
I understand you hate Obama, but as a Clinton supporter, you HAVE to hate Fox news. (BTW, they LOVED the Sniper clip, and played it almost as much as the Wright clip. Oh. I guess that means they are fair and balanced... at attacking Dems.)
April 4, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary in Michigan reminds me of the story of the soccer team who had the field all to their selves, because the other team did not show up, and it still took them almost ninety minutes to score a goal.
Hillary was almost defeated in Michigan by Undecided.
April 4, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
He did. 'Nuff said.
April 4, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
O what a surprise.
Release your TAX RETURNS, Hillary.
April 4, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
April 4, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, when he presses congress to pass a law restricting your ability to free speech, then he should apologize.
Calling you out for being out of touch with reality on a privately owned blog isn't a violation of your first amendment rights.
April 4, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slight correction: "Late Late Update: Jason Horowitz of The New York Observer reports that Dean got an earful from a roomful of Hillary donors upset that he hasn't done more to resolve the Florida and Michigan standoffs in favor of Hillary Clinton." For a guy who is supposedly unelectable in the Fall, Obama is showing some amazing powress at getting many new people to contribute small amounts of money, not to mention doing mind control of Howard Dean.
April 4, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
GTL,
So who's getting crushed now? 50+1 on the pledged delegates for Obama by May 20th, according Chris Bowers at Open Left, followed by a stampede of Supers by all accounts. Sure will be interesting to see the polls after the folks in PA digest the story about Mark Penn and the Columbians' mini-NAFTA. I smell toast and it's not coming from my toaster. Why don't you change your icon to one with Hillary in the blue sari? She looked awful nice in it in New Delhi back in 2005 praising outsourcing.
Amazing the things folks say, isn't it?
April 4, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time for the daily hit job on Clinton for Jack the Obama hack Cafferty on CNN.
This guy should be fired.
Sickening.
April 4, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, that rhymes. Clever.
April 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's say Clinton behaves rationally (I know, I know and pigs will fly) and agrees to a 50/50 spilt in Michigan. What do you think will be her campaign's line on the popular vote? I guess this is why she'll never agree to a compromise, b/c it will take away her last best hope to swing supers her way.
April 4, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tax Returns have been released. Nearly 4:30 on a Friday, naturally.
This should be fun.
April 4, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bat, as with most other things the best thing for Michiganers to do is just follow along with what Ohio does :)....couldn't resist
April 4, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what Michiganders think of Ohio.
Ohio, the state is a barren wasteland. The only thing good to come out of Ohio is Harvey Pekar and the band DEVO (yes, I love DEVO, make fun of my old new wave tastes; you should listen to my little radio show sometime). We have the Great Lakes, but Ohio gets Erie. Ohio is almost as vile as Indiana, which is just like Ohio but with more cousin marriages.
Who helped Bush get reelected in 2004? I rest my case.
April 4, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is all about Hillary showing voters and superdelegates that she has one possible path to the nomination.
As long as there's on finality as to how those delegates will be seated, there will be no finality to Hillary's campaign.
April 4, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Jesus...the Gestalt just hit me all at once...the misspellings...the garbled syntax...the pre-emptive accusations...the repetition, Good God, the endless repetition...
GOTALIFE IS ARMANDO!!!
April 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm from Michigan, and I'm in favor of NOT seating any of our delegates. I generally like Levin, but he has flubbed this one big time.
Scenario 1: Coverage at the convention shows the MI and FL delegations seated with the story of the undemocratic method that put them there. The supers like Levin get their votes counted. We peons don't get our votes counted. The status quo wins.
Scenario 2: Coverage at the convention shows a bunch of empty seats. Levin is in the broadcast booth complaining about IA and NH having a distorted impact on the nomination. The narrative of democracy moves the story along. Levin becomes the champion of a more democratic method of choosing the nominee. Democracy if not winning, doesn't loose.
Yeah, I'm still pissed that Dean was not the nominee in 04. Remember Iowa gave us that wanker Kerry.
April 5, 2008 8:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
After you said you were not in faver of seating delegates do you think it was necessary to state you are a Obama supporter.I'm from Fla. Obama ran ads here on MSNBVC & cnn,by some coincidence they stopped on the day we voted.Do you think he deserves any delegates from Fla. Oh I fforgot your an Obama supporter so how will I get an honest answer.
April 5, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
no delegates from michigan or florida should count. these rules were agreed to by clinton and obama.
nuf said.
April 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink