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McCain: I Was Wrong To Vote Against Making MLK Day A Holiday

This is worth a watch: John McCain journeyed to Memphis today to speak about Martin Luther King's assassination 40 years ago and apologized for voting in 1983 against making MLK day a holiday. And it didn't go all that well...

We couldn't help but notice McCain's evocation of King's forgiveness in asking to be forgiven for voting against...the King holiday.

It strikes us as a bit absurd, but hey, in the spirit of this holiday, let's forgive McCain for this one. At least he went there.


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Well, it took balls to mention it. I wonder if he was anticipating the press or some other candidate's surrogate bringing up that little factoid, and decided to nip that story in the bud.

He has no balls. Bush removed them in 2000 when McStain failed to stand up for his daughter.

Not only did he not renounce and deject -- er... denounce and reject -- the comments from his now "good friend" GW Bush and Rove and the rest of that ilk, he didn't apologize then for his vote and lack of support for the MLK holiday and any number of other bills and issues that would matter to the African-Americans in his constituency.

How damn convenient that he has suddenly had this change of heart now, when he is the presumptive Reppublican nominee and might need to get a few black Republicans to stay loyal to the party and vote for him.

25 years too damn late.

It's a great idea to have an African-American holding his umbrella.

At least he had the guts to go there and admit he was wrong.

Blogging with the Obama supporters and they are very divisive with their hatred.

I guess the dream is still a dream and Obama's unity is a dream too.

Nice work on MLK Day.

Shame on you.

You talk about divisive and hatred with a picture of Obama and Wright meant to incite fear and racist feelings? You are DISGUSTING!

I'm so sick of people like you who invoke the great Dr. King's name under any circusmtances. People like you are what he was against and what he was killed trying to stop.

So McCain gets a free pass for voting against MLK Day automatically right?

Wright made some statements that folks didn't like (which were similar to statements King made about Vietnam and other injustices) and he is racist, evil, and unAmerican...yet McCain votes against one of the most important historical figures in this country and that is not racist? That is not un-American? The hypocrisy of this country is disgusting.

Look, if you want to be racist more power to you...but leave Dr. King out of it. You know good and damn well that you don't care about Dr. King, because if you did you wouldn't be such a racist.

Number 6 to play the race card.

On MLK Day.

Unity!

Yay!

Seriously, get control over your emotions.

Your ugly hatred is showing.

I love it when gotalife plays the "you're-playing-the-race-card!" card.

It's about as clever as Down's Syndrome.

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Whoa, there. Do not compare gotalife to Down's syndrome in any way. People with Down's syndrome are good people who often posses a wisdom that is hard for the more cynical of us to appreciate.

I'm sure a number of us would love to play the race card as soon as we can pry it out of your thick, sausage-like fingers.

So you saved the race card play for this thread instead? I don't know here Gotalife... seems a stretch when the Obama speech thread was so much more fertile for responders.

You have the flu or something? You must need soup. (hugs)

As usual, you are totally incapable of actually responding with an intelligent thought. "Race card" is a term created by morons who don't have the capacity to have a debate on the issues. It is for simple minded people who can't bother to hear an alternative perspective so they just yell "race card" and go on in their blissful ignorance.

Don't talk to me about unity when people like you thrive off of division. You're a hypocrite and I see through your bs. You're making a mockery of MLK day and it is SICKENING! Clearly MLK's death is a funny little joke to you, but it is very serious and personal to millions of people in this country.

This isn't about Obama or McCain or Clinton, this is about a great man who sacrificed his life and who fought so that people like me wouldn't have to sit at the back of the bus, or get hosed down by firefighters because I'm Black, and not have to drink from separate water fountains.

I know your arrogance and stupidity makes you incapable of grasping the personal attachment many people in this country feel to Dr. King and to the people like him (like my grandfather) who stood for justice and equality. If anyone should feel ashamed of anything it should be you for being such a disgusting sorry excuse for an American. Regardless of the vile things you say on this site everyday, I would hope that you are a better person than your comments convey. I seriously doubt it and I honestly feel pity for you for being such a hateful person.

Uh, MLK Jr day is in January. Today is the 40th anniversary of MLK Jr's assassination by a white supremacist.

But I'm not too surprised that you'd get that wrong.

"Obama supporters...are very divisive with their hatred."

Hey, Kettle, it's Pot calling!

Why do they use the color black in that phrase?

Because back in the "olden days" pots and kettles were made of black cast iron, and they grew blacker the more they were used.

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Shame on you and your attempt to smear two great men with your avatar.

GotaLife, comment on this... Was MLK an anti-white racist who hated America as you've bloviated about Wright ad nauseum?

Historians point out that between 1965 and 1968, King shifted emphasis. He became a vocal opponent of the Vietnam War. He increasingly addressed issues of poverty and economic injustice, the need to guarantee an annual income and create a platform for what later came to be known as affirmative action.

In the last years of his life, Lischer said, King actually began denouncing the nation he once dreamed of as reconciled. The topic of his final sermon, which he never lived to preach, Lischer has written, was "Why America May Go To Hell."

If corporate media took the title of that sermon out of context and looped it over and over on cable TV, would you be up in arms about MLK and any politician associated with him? Well, would you?

Sorry but I don't buy for a second that you give a shit about MLK and what he stood for. You just think it's nice to say now, sort of like McCain does.

gotalife reminds me of the kid in elementary school who would poop in the middle of the playing field at recess and then get mad when the other kids didn't let him play soccer.

Do you have a passing acquaintence with grammar, or do you always write stream of (un)consciousness?

Oh please, McCain didn't discover
he was wrong until he ran for
President. He has had lots of time since
1983 to go to and EXPRESS his regrets.

Sheesh, McOpportunist strikes again...

I think he deserves a break. He's an old white republican, no big surprise where he was on the issue. But what people need to realize, and hopefully becomes clear once we get into the general, is that McCain is behind the times on everything.

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Perhaps he should have admitted whether it was "moral badness" or "moral blindness" that led to his vote originally. Since he drew the distinction, it is relevant. Then he should explain what his "blindness" or "badness" was.

I remember the atmosphere at that time and I remember how roundly criticized the few states that voted against the MLK holiday were criticized. Now I am sure the MSM will recongnize the miraculous removal of the scales from his eyes without questioning the cause of the scales in the first place.

>At least he went there.

Was there any particular reason for those words, Greg?

It seems to be a recurring technique for the last sentence to be an extraneous barb.

This one serves to remind us which candidate did not "go there" today. Obviously Obama, as I'm sure you all suspected, cares nothing for the MLK legacy.

I'm not impressed....and his sorry apology won't score him any points with Black voters. You can bet that Hillary marginalizing Dr. King's legacy in South Carolina drove away her Black support...but McCain voting against Dr. King's holiday takes the cake.

I lived in Arizona, they were a**holes about this and I was ashamed. McCain says he was wrong, he was 47 YEARS OLD!! People don't just make a mistake about something like this: it goes to moral character, right there with all his affairs and FEC questionable violations, his wife's federal drug violations, the stadium built in Arizona that he earmarked, which only sells Cindy McCain's company's beer investments, on and on.

I saw his speech in Memphis on CNN and I LOL with McCain's response to the mostly African American crowd. He was so uncomfortable with the verbal outburst, common in say a black church, he started laughing. You could tell he had never been around that many African Americans in his 70 years. It was so uncomfortable for him, and sad but funny to watch his response.

The laughing got to me too. Why the F would he laugh at these people? McCain took a big shit all over the memory of MLK Jr and everything he stood for in 1983. It's understandable that he'd get some flack for his pandering to radical white supremacists when voted against the MLK Jr holiday.

But why does he laugh at them? What an ass.

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Interesting. How long will we have to wait for him to realize his mistake in supporting the Iraq war?

Greg: I might add, you cannot forgive him for this if you were there during all the discussion and hatred. That is just wrong on your part. I am a white female and it totally made me PO'd.

What exactly was the argument *against* MLK day?

A gutsy move by McCain. Can you imagine George Bush admitting he was wrong in front of a not-too-friendly crowd?

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That's the way, McCain - tie another onion on that belt.

LOL!

My friends, I'm a pathetic hack that will pander to whatever group I'm talking to at the time whenever it's politically expedient.

I love the smell of pandering in the morning.

Everytime I see him speak, I am struck by what a horrible public speaker he is. If I wasn't already not voting for him because of his policies, I probably wouldn't vote for him for this reason alone. I don't think I could bear to listen to him for 4 or worse 8 years.

On top of it, this is a stupid thing for him to do - brave, but stupid. Which for me pretty much sums up McCain's public persona. He did a bit better at the end but his public appearances always have a way of just being wrong some how. (like the fact that you can barely see him over the umbrella's, getting heckled...)

Given that I am a Dem, I am glad for it because Obama will be a great contrast, his speeches and rallys always seem to have all the details covered and an understanding of the mood of the audience. A good metaphor for his presidency I hope. I am sure it isn't always that way but you never see this stuff coming out of camp Obama.

His irritating voice and halting style got to me too. Hillary's loud abrasive drone isn't much better either.

"I was wrong. I was wrong and eventually realized in time to give full support of a state holiday in my home state of Arizona."

He manned up and said he was wrong and apologized. (Ever see Hillary do that?) I refuse to vote for McCain, but I'm willing to give him a pass on this one.

Now let's talk about his sucking up to John Hagee and Jerry Falwell...

Yep, the dream is still a dream because you have to hate.

Can you stop the hate for one day in honor of King?

I doubt it but when McCain went to Memphis to admit he was wrong one man said, "We all make mistakes."

Good for him.

That is honoring King's dream and unity .

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re: "Can you stop the hate for one day in honor of King?"

OK, deal... the very second you stop hating on two successful African American men who have worked hard their whole lives to help those around them.

I really think you're a McCain voter who pretends to be pro-Hillary, and even pro-MLK here.

Now that is comedy.

Can you imagine George Bush admitting he was wrong in front of a not-too-friendly crowd?

Cut that question off immediately after the word "wrong" and you're on to something.

I give him credit for going there. That took balls with him being a republican and a person who voted against the King Holiday. But on the forgiveness issue, I kinda have a problem with a white man(Sargent) suggesting we forgive McCain for his slights of a great African American leader/American hero and the African American community. I guess it is pretty easy to dismiss things like that when you have no stake in it. I don't hate McCain for what he did, he was representing Arizona, but I won't forget it.

I think McCain's attempt to address African Americans is the bigger issue after 8 years of Republican racism, cowardice, avoidance or whatever it was. I would have thought TPM would have looked at it from that perspective too.

It was actually very clever of McCain on a deeply cynical level. For a white man to ask forgiveness of black people for racism is something that plays very well in political spheres, while at the same time it reinforces the sense of white guilt and black victimization that keeps the races separated in America. It also touches that very sore spot where whites have been kicked again and again, and where some very deep resentments lie. "Are whites responsible for all the problems of black America? Do blacks have no responsibility?" It was actually a very divisive thing for McCain to do if you look beyond the surface.

"Are whites responsible for all the problems of black America? Do blacks have no responsibility?"

Whom are you quoting and do you really expect a short answer?

So, his asking forgiveness for past slights is a racist plot? LMAO So how do people apologize and seek forgiveness for past sins?

Ohh white have been kicked again and again. You think that spot is sore? Try getting lynched jackass then tell us what is sore. 30 years out of Jim Crow, the terrorism of millions of US Citizens based on the color of their skin(which still exists to this day although no longer sanctioned by law) and you think white people are sore. Next time tell them to try not to enslave and terrorize millions of people for hundreds of years. It might help them to not be sore.

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None of us ought to be responsible for the sins of others, even our ancestors. I am not accountable for slavery it ended a century before my birth. Hating me for something I did not do just because of the color of my skin is racism.

Who hates you for the color of your skin? Who blames you for slavery?
Systemic racism is still a fact of life for African Americans in the US in 2008. Slavery may have ended 130 years ago for most, but did you know that black men and women were enslaved in 1927 when the Mississippi River flooded? Did you know that blacks were lynched all over America when Jack Johnson won the Heavyweight Champsionship in 1910? Ever hear of Jim Crow? Abuses against African Americans didn't end with the end of slavery.
You may not have owned slaves or personally harmed anyone but you gain from the legacy of slavery every day you live in this nation as a white person.

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McCain's apologizing for voting in 1983 against making MLK day a holiday will not attract black voters. However, it will not sit well with the racist sentiments that still exist in today's Republican Party. Apologizing is not what racists do. And anyone who doesn't believe that racists still exist in rural and or southern segregated white communities, has either never lived in one or has been fortunate enough to live in a community where integration is the norm. Apoligizing was the right thing to do, but why now? Why not last year or last decade or twenty years ago? Mr. flip flooper is a little too obvious for his own good. His convenient remorse is blatant pandering hypocrisy that no one will confuse for genuine sincerity.

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Before we light our celebratory cigars or sip our champagne, let's consider how this will play on the other side.

How's this:

McCain went there to apologize and ask for forgiveness and got shit on. What does that say about his audience?

And since Obama is one of "them", draw your own conclusion.

I'm no McCain fan, and I sympathize with those inclined not heed his apology. But in the cold hard light of election numbers, he may have helped himself.

Anyone who is going to read it that way is not going to vote for either Obama or Hillary in the first place.

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I'm not so sure.

Certainly none or very few of those who voted for Kerry in '04 or Gore in '00.

But what about the four million more votes GW got in '04 than '00? Do we give up on them, cede them to McCain?

McCain certainly got the treatment he deserved. But I think it's naive to consider this a victory.

Love the fox tagline:

McCain: I voted against fed holiday in honor of Dr. King


At least we can't accuse Fox of being unfair on this one!

"I was against it before I was for it!"

He recovers well.

Ties it in with his POW exp, and then Fox cuts away.... ???

Another Arizona Senator, Barry Goldwater, voted against the civil rights legislation. He wanted to let each state decide for themselves if they should keep segregation in place. Hillary was a Goldwater girl, and she has endorsed John McCain for Commander in Chief.

You can take the Goldwater Girl out of the Republican party, but you can never take the Republican out of the Goldwater Girl.

Hillary is the New Lieberman.

Uhhhh, a "little" late?

By doing this he gets the issue out of the way. While it was smart politically it still took some guts to do it.

Compare that to Mdme Clinton. Have we heard Hillary admit she was wrong on the war as directly as McCain just did about MLK? I'm not defending McCain but at least he had the (dare I say it?) character to do something like this. Hillary hasn't done the same with regard to her Iraq position, and it speaks volumes.

In some ways this is why McCain appeals to independent voters. Despite his seemingly racist voting past, he is facing this situation face-on. Americans are essentially a forgiving bunch and will move on if you confess your sins.

What happened when Hillary was called on her Bosnia comments? She tried to make excuses. It was the theatre of the absurd.

And she is trying to say she's more electable than Obama? pss-SHAW sez I!

Have we heard Hillary admit she was wrong on the war as directly as McCain just did about MLK?

Frankly, I'd be more impressed if McCain admitted he was wrong about Iraq.

I half expected him to start singing: WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?!! WHO? WHO??!

When will hillary admit she lied about "sniper-fire"? When will you replace your avatar with something more appropriate? Might I suggest David Duke or perhaps George Wallace? Stop the hate indeed.

McCain is forgetting his Rovian tutelage.

"Ignore 'em. They're not voting for you anyway."

I just watched the entire speech again. It is disgraceful. Dr. King preached non violence and and was against what America was doing in Vietnam. Today, John McCain tried to hijack the memory of Dr. King and turn it into a weapon to use against the people of Vietnam who captured him while he was raining death and destruction down on them.

America was trying to prevent the Vietnamese from winning their Independence from Colonial masters, and John McCain is still calling them "The Enemy". Just like Iraq never attacked America, neither did Vietnam. In both cases it was the other way around. America waged immoral wars on the people of Vietnam, killed millions, and now has done the same thing again in Iraq. McCain is too much of a War Monger for my taste, and he dishonored the memory of Dr. King by today in Memphis, with his disgusting use of the murder of Dr. King as being something that made the Vietnamese the bad guys.

Does this fool know that we have full diplomatic and trade relations now with Vietnam, as he stands there in Memphis and misuses the memory of Dr. King to once again make the Victims of Colonial aggression "The Enemy".

Do you really want this tone deaf buffoon on the world stage for the next eight years.

Hijacking the memory of Dr. King is what most of America does. When was the last time you heard people discussing his Poor People's Campaign in MSM? Look at Bush being center stage at Coretta's funeral. The Secret Service kicking people out of the King Center in Atlanta so that asshole Bush could lay a wreath. Building a memorial to King in DC - the place where to this day the murder of millions for profit still goes on. McCain is what you say he is but he is not alone.

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Credit for going there? Give me a very enormous break please.

He's doing it for political reasons - obviously. If he meant it he would have done something about it before now.

Good effing God!

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Why should I vote for someone when I knew he was wrong before he did?

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Why would I vote for someone that I knew was wrong before he did himself?

"Darkness can not drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Only light can do that." Many in his audience will think he's talking about darkness and light. Many others will know better what he is actually saying. Whoever wrote that speech, it was crafted brilliantly to speak different things to different audiences.

And standing on the balcony where a black leader was assassinated is a very painful reminder to many of what they never want to see America have to go through again.

Whoever wrote that?

"Darkness can not drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

Martin Luther King Jr.

also, I find your insinuation that we should not elect Obama because he may get shot pretty cowardly.

Don't vote from fear, vote for whom you want to win.

I wonder why those retards booed him?

Let us remove the lens poised upon the perspective of how this plays in terms of the election.

I don't think it matters whether he was genuine or not. This is a conversation we need to have. Mistakes were made, consequences followed and they persist in our society still today.

"It strikes us as a bit absurd, but hey, in the spirit of this holiday, let's forgive McCain for this one. At least he went there."

Really? McCain fought MLK day when it was politically convenient to do so. He changed his mind very very late when it wasn't. I see him as a shameless fraud.


How about a compare and contrast?

Maybe up at the top of the page with Senator McCain?

Obama's speech about this anniversary:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGBtMy

Are we sure that his melanoma hasn't metastasized in his brain?
I thought we couldn't get any worse with the current chimp in the whitehouse but now I'm not so sure. This guy is a bungling idiot!

"But among other issues critics raise are McCain’s vote against the 1990 Civil Rights Act, which sought to curb discrimination in the workplace (and eventually passed as the 1991 act), as well as his short-lived support for South Carolina’s right to fly the confederate flag over the statehouse during the 2000 primary."


I see. So he was against MLK and civil rights before he was for them.

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/03/mccain-reversal-on-mlk-holiday-an-issue-as-he-visits-memphis/

Amazing how that Fox News report was more and fair and balanced than TPM.

To think that this apology somehow makes up for McCain's repeated failures on this issue in the past.

It's not like 1983 was 1963 or 1953. There was no excuse for voting against the holiday then (if there ever was). The vote came a time long after the height of the civil-rights movement and the heated struggles to end Jim Crow. It was time when McCain should have known better. He canno simply claim to have been the helpless victim of his cultural surroundings.

He has guts to come out and say he was wrong, that too in a very difficult setting. you have to admire the guts. I just hope sometimes these left-wing blogs will be bit less partisan and bit more objective. Otherwise, blogging world would turn out to be as irrelevant as talk-radio on the right.

This really pisses me off. At least he went there? Are you kidding me?

He voted against the King holiday repeatedly and now when he knows it'll be used against him, he shamelessly goes there to apologize, knowing the spineless media will forgive him.

Meanwhile, you have to throw in little asides about how the Wright controversy may hurt Obama in the future.

How many African-Americans work at TPM again?

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He has guts to come out and say he was wrong, that too in a very difficult setting. you have to admire the guts. I just hope sometimes these left-wing blogs will be bit less partisan and bit more objective. Otherwise, blogging world would turn out to be as irrelevant as talk-radio on the right.

Moving goalposts sale! Goalposts on wheels here!!!!!

He has guts. Look doofus, this is a Democratic, liberal political blog and it doesn't pretend to be anything else.

I have no intention of being a Bill or Hillary and stabbing my own candidates in the back by giving John "I'm crazy as a shithouse rat and I will nuke Iran" McCain any damn credit for anything other than being what he is - too old, a Repug, a hawk, and idiot.

It was interesting to see McCain unable to resist smiling when he was booed as he delivered his speech. It was indeed a very divisive speech, and a good ploy if you look at it from his perspective.

John McCain ran for President in 2000. He voted against the Dr. King Holiday in 1983. Why did he wait until he had won the nomination of his party before saying that he was wrong to vote against the holiday. You know the answer to that, and it is not that he just woke up this morning and suddenly realized that he was wrong in 1983.

Anyone else got "By the Time I Get to Arizona" stuck in their head? :)

Seriously, I think McCain's speech was rather devious. The whole Wright flap got pounced on because it played to the right wing's narrative regarding race relations in America, which is essentially:

A) White people aren't responsible for racial divisions in America any more; we may have forced black folks to the back of the bus and kept them out of our schools until about 40 years ago, but hey! It's all fixed now.

B) Because everything's fixed now, we're the ones who are continually forced to reach out to those angry black folks, who come back with nasty comments about white people. Ergo, BLACK people are the real racists, not us.

C) Liberals who support programs like affirmative action or complain about economic divides or discrimination in the workplace are just victims of white guilt.

D) Black people have it better in this country than anywhere else in the world; they should be proud to be American! Instead, they keep complaining that the country enslaved them and mistreated them, which is anti-American and traitorous.

It's exactly the kind of logical inversion that'll play well with Republican voters and closet racist "Independents": Cast OBAMA as the candidate of division, and McCain as the candidate of unity, when in reality the places are reversed.

Anyone else got "By the Time I Get to Arizona" stuck in their head? :)

That's what has been in my head this whole time. Possibly the reason why I didn't care for Sargent's "Lets forgive him" remark. Today's bs made me remember the feelings of animosity and hatred I got from people like McCain back in the day.

Dr. King was a great man. But there have been many great men in American history. It seems perfectly reasonable to me for someone (such as Sen. McCain) to question whether Dr. King is truly the single greatest figure in our history, such that Dr. King ALONE is honored with a special day for his birthday and remembrance on the anniversary of his death. No special consideration is given to honoring Abraham Lincoln's birthday or the day of his death, or anyone else in our history.

If anyone does raise these kinds of questions, they are greeted with screaming accusations of racism. I think that when this can be discussed without the hysterical hateful accusations of racism that we will be much closer to what Dr. King envisioned. And when people can point out the objective fact that Sen. Obama had a long and close relationship with Rev. Wright without being met by these dictatorial attempts at censorship of the truth, then we will be closer to the dreams of our Founding Fathers.

Then why is he apologizing for his vote now, and bragging about the Arizona state holiday. You are trying to have it both ways. Which McCain do you support, the one who spoke today in Memphis or the one who voted against the Dr. King Holiday in 1983. Do you not see the contradiction. You are defending the McCain that he himself today rejected.

What are you going on about?

Show me ONE word of Rev Wright that's racist. One word.

He's controversial, he's said radical things... but so has Dr. King.

America is still about Free Speech - you're free to say whatever you want about Wright, and I'm free to call you on it.

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Jodyphile,

Your little man is made of straw.

"Dr. King was a great man. But there have been many great men in American history. It seems perfectly reasonable to me for someone (such as Sen. McCain) to question whether Dr. King is truly the single greatest figure in our history, such that Dr. King ALONE is honored with a special day for his birthday and remembrance on the anniversary of his death."

Sounds logical unless you own a television or a calendar. Who said Dr. King was the single greatest figure in our history? Who said that the only person who should be honored and recognized for their accomplishments is the "greatest figure in our history?" When did that become the criteria? How would we decide? Would we make that a part of the census? A call-in vote, American idol style? What happened in Dallas in November of 1963? Any idea?


"No special consideration is given to honoring Abraham Lincoln's birthday or the day of his death, or anyone else in our history."

Ummm... If I spot you the "P" can you solve this puzzle:

_resident's Day.

Again, check a calendar. Fish around in January. You'll see...

"If anyone does raise these kinds of questions, they are greeted with screaming accusations of racism. I think that when this can be discussed without the hysterical hateful accusations of racism that we will be much closer to what Dr. King envisioned."

I must've missed that page in Dr. King's speech about how it was important not to recognize racism for what it was. Maybe it was windy that day and it was blown off into the crowd? Maybe the audio has gone bad after all these years. You wouldn't have a transcript, would you?

"And when people can point out the objective fact that Sen. Obama had a long and close relationship with Rev. Wright without being met by these dictatorial attempts at censorship of the truth, then we will be closer to the dreams of our Founding Fathers."

Please point that out in every post you see from now on. I'm not sure what it has to do with John McCain being 25 years late in realizing that he was wrong about recognizing someone who stood up to make this country better, but no matter. The Founding Fathers wanted you to be free to make an ass of yourself, so don't let me stop you...

I am a little surprised that McCain didn't pitch one of his temper tantrums when people started heckling him.

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It's exactly the kind of logical inversion that'll play well with Republican voters and closet racist "Independents": Cast OBAMA as the candidate of division, and McCain as the candidate of unity, when in reality the places are reversed.

That's called the Southern Strategy and it's been losing us election after election and the way to finally breach that wall is to nominate someone who brings in new voters in Red and purple states.

I'm half to the point where I think some of this resistance has to do with keeping the south out of power in the Democratic party and I wish I didn't think that, but I've been too soundly abused by my fellow liberals from the coasts over the years simply for being from the south to not have some sort of inkling along those lines. I'm quite sorry to say.

It's the only way - the other way loses. Over and over.

Flipity, flopity, floop. A dog doesn't change it's spots. Or is it a zebra?

McStain is McSame in 2008.
Vote out Bush in 2008!
Take Pelosi off the table in 2008!
Drown out Feinstein in 2012!

Sure. It's always easy to stand up for what's right after the fact. Real ballsy. What a frigg'n coward. Can't even stand up for his own racism.

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yup

and re: "By the Time I Get to Arizona"

I always make sure to have that in my car stereo every time I pass thru the state.

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"I hate the gooks," McCain said yesterday in response to a question from reporters aboard his campaign bus. "I will hate them as long as I live."

SF Chronicle, February 18, 2000

"At least he went there."

Are we back to Obama not being black enough, now?

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I am a little surprised that McCain didn't pitch one of his temper tantrums when people started heckling him.


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are you looking forward to debates as much I am? I have read here and there that his temper is growing ever shorter as he ages.

this could get to be a lot of fun.

Hey - since we have speculated so much on "electability" - then who is the tallest candidate? They have a significant statistical advantage.

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Where, oh where are the Lords of Context now? The ones who required us to travel back in a time machine and listen to every single word that Rev. Wright ever spoke and ever did?

Simply scrolling down the SF Chronicle article gives amazing context to McCain's remarks, such as that he was referring only to the guards at the Hanoi Hilton who tortured he and his friends, and that "gook" was the kindest word he could think of for them.

Where's the Lords of Context now?

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The guard clarification was a day after the original "gook" remark, and that still doesn't cut it.

If a white person got mugged by African Americans -- hell, even tortured -- does that give the white person permission to refer to them as N's in public for the rest of his life?

Why not just call them "cruel and sadistic"? Is it really appropriate for national figures to use racially derogatory and offensive terms? No, it's not. Is is acceptable that McCain's history includes not just being racially insensitive but many instances of him standing up and actually fighting against civil rights in this country? No. But for McCain and his apologists it sure is.

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As for Wright, when did he use racially derogatory terms? I heard the "damn America" thing, and the "Hillary's never been called an N", but nothing about "crackers" or "peckerwoods" or "honkeys" or derogatory terms for other non-black races. Apples and oranges, Jodyphile.

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Where's the Lords of Context now?


If I had a clue what you were trying to ask...

What was McCain dropping on the people of Vietnam from his plane. Ham sandwiches? Why was he doing it. What did Vietnam do to the USA, that made America think it had the right to drop bombs, napalm, and agent orange all over the country, and end up killing over two million people, not to mention countless maimings and birth defects.

McCain was a part of a hostile foreign aggression that was raining death from the skies. I regret that he suffered during captivity. He apparently does not regret that he participated in the mass slaughter of people in their own country, who had never done anything wrong to America.

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"Blood rack. Barbed wire. Politicians' funeral pyre. Innocents raped with napalm fire: 21st Century Schizoid Man..."
-King Crimson

McCain tried to suggest that his opposition to a holiday honoring Dr. King was limited to his 1983 vote against a federal holiday. In reality, McCain maintained his opposition to it until at least 1989, and voted against funding for the commission working to promote the King Holiday as recently as 1994. McCain even supported Republican efforts to repeal the holiday in his home state in 1987.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/04/john_mccains_re.php

Shameless pandering. That is what we have come to expect from John McCain.

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Shameless pandering. That is what we have come to expect from John McCain.

The man has no morals and no bottom (which is an old expression which basically means he has no core character.)

You know how I know that? Because, he was POW for 5 years. He was tortured and he knew his comrades in the prison were tortured.

And he stood there and voted in favor of torturing other people just because George and Dick wanted him to.

Fuck John McCain. He is scum.

It is now Friday afternoon.


Hillary, where are the tax records.

Hillary, where are the tax records.

Hillary, where are the tax records.

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." Rev MLK, Jr.

Maybe McCain should apologize for his continual efforts to hasten the spiritual death of America. McCain cannot pretend to now be a supporter of Rev. King or the movement when he still opposes almost everything that King stood for - racial reconciliation, social uplift, workers' rights, corporate responsibility, and the defeat of militarism.

John McCain’s “background and personal history” reveals a spoiled brat who, though a son and grandson of four-star admirals, managed to finish fifth from the bottom of his U.S. Naval Academy class of eight hundred ninety-nine. Whose oft-praised military heroism consisted, not of throwing himself on a grenade a la Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham, but rather of wrecking five military aircraft, starting a fire on the USS Forrestal which killed 167 men, getting shot down and captured. Whose political career has included the Keating Five Savings & Loan highway robbery, personal infidelity, hugging the man who brutally slandered him, a long-term affair with a lobbyist having business with the committe he chaired.

His long history of racist behavior won’t be wiped out by yet another chameleon-like response to changed circumstance, in this case being the GOP nominee. They’re most welcome to him.

Was listening to conservative talk radio this evening, and they were talking about Obama's MLK speech. The commentator said, "Was it just me, or did it sound like Obama was saying that Martin Luther King said, 'I have a dream,' and Obama is it?" Then they played the sound clip, and sure enough, it really did sound like Obama was saying that he is MLK's dream.

Thanks for that Ditto Head. I bet you love listening to The Big Fat Pillbilly.

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