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McCain Hits Obama For Ayers Connection

John McCain is seizing on an opening provided by last week's Democratic debate, attacking Barack Obama for his past associations with William Ayers, a former member of the Weather Underground.

"I'm sure he's very patriotic," McCain said of Obama. "But his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question."

McCain added: "He became friends with him and spent time with him while the guy was unrepentant over his activities as a member of a terrorist organization, the Weathermen."

This is on top of the McCain campaign's other recent move associating Obama with terrorism, a fundraising letter saying Obama has the endorsement of Hamas. In short, prepare yourselves for a lot more fun moments like this, should Barack Obama ultimately win the Democratic nomination.


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Looks like Punk McNasty is at it again.

So much for the "high brow" campaign the McSame campaign promised us.
Bush III or Bush-lite.

Take you pick.

doesn't he have any nice friends?

Yeah, Rev. Hagee and Rod Parsley, ooops, nope that McWar's friends aren't they?

hmmm... good question. let's see:

Antoin Rezko
Jeremiah Wright
William Ayers
Bernardine Dohrn
Louis Farrakhan
James Meeks
Nadhmi Auchi

nope, can't think of a single one off the top of my head.

Looks like Punk McNasty is at it again.

So much for the "high brow" campaign the McSame campaign promised us.
Bush III or Bush-lite.

Take you pick.

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McCain's use of this sliime is great news.
It shows that McCain is so very weak, with nothing to offer about the issues, that he has to grab the coattails of a pantsuit strategy.

When a loser only has an outdated message and knows only the old style politicking game, what can such a loser do but try to tear down the opponent?

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It's part of the narrative that McCain's campaign is developing about Obama. His campaign is aided and abetted by a credulous press. And the narrative is this: he's not what he seems. He has ties to radicals all over the world. He's black!

Doesn't matter that it's old stuff, that it's incredibly weak (in the case of Ayers), or that a reasonable person might say "WTF?" The media will do McCain's work for him in this regard.

At first I thought that McCain making these comments so far in advance wouldn't have any effect. Then I realized that he's just trying to lay the foundation of the narrative that will be hung around Obama's neck.

Which is another reason for this interminable primary season to conclude.

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DonnaG - I agree.

I have hoped all along that the Republicans would use their same tried and they think true smear tactics.

I think America is really sick of it and doesn't believe any of it (with a handful of exceptions from people whose brains function at Nash McNabe level).

I'm looking forward to this - I'm sure we're going to watch the Republicans go down in flames using this stupid excuse for a campaign tactic.

Unfortunately, the Nash McCabes of America outnumber the rest of us. I have no faith in the intelligence of the American electorate.

Oh, but this is the kind of politics Obama says we must rise above. We mustn't listen to this kind of stuff. We must only talk about the issues that the voters care about. You know, the ones that make Obama look good. Well, I guess those negative Republicans just haven't signed on to Obama's new world of politics yet.

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Buffenbargerer.

Buffen the Obampire Killer.

Good one.

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So are you suggesting that anyone other than partisan hacks should give a rip about this non-issue?

Are you suggesting that healthcare, getting out of Iraq, the collapsing dollar, global climate change are all trumped by the "issue" that Obama, like Mayor Daily of Chicago knows William Ayers?

So you finally admit when we talk about policy issues Obama looks good!!

thats real good Republicans. But watch how this crap you're flinging will bounce off our guy in the general.

Us Dems have our own teflon man, his name is Senator Barack Obama, and he's sitting at the helm of the steamroller, fired up and ready to go steamroll over the McCain campaign to the White House.

There's no stopping us till we get there.


Obama '08


THIS is why this campaign needs to end. HRC needs to realize her path leads to a dead-end and Obama needs to realize he is the front runner and end this. The do-no-harm axiom is no longer in play.

Not damaging yet but it will be soon.

This buffenbargering isn't good for anyone... ;-)

Love. This. Word.
Course maybe I am just a latte drinking, prius driving, birkenstock wearing, party activist.
Except I don't drive a prius, won't pay $4 for a cup of coffee and prefer more stylish shoes to birkies.

Obama should get out now.
The longer he stays in, the more the party will
get hit with this stuff.

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What nonsense. The GOP will slime ANY Democrat, including Clinton with distracting drivel and smears as bad, if not worse.

Hit? Haha. felt nore like a bee sting.


Obama: Is that all Sen. Grandpa McCain got?

Nice avatar.

Yeah, he should drop out.

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And here's the rightwing/McCain/Clinton response to your resonable response:

Why did Obama work with the person who said, on Sept. 11, SEPTEMBER 11TH, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET IT, that he wished he had hurt more people?

(Which is a total conflation of a variety of things, but that's what is going to be said. So respond to that.)

He said no such thing.

An article published by the New York Times on Sept. 11th discusses Ayers' book, released earlier in 2001. In the book, Ayers does indeed state that he does not regret setting explosives in the 60's (causing no injuries except to members of his own organization) but that overall he has found much to disagree with about the mentality and the methods of the group back then. He also says that wishes that they had done more to stop the Vietnam War (the war continued for almost another decade) as their methods were obviously ineffective.

Should I add that?

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You're being thoughtful and reasonable. Of course Ayers said no such thing on September 11th. But I've already heard that description: that he, Ayers, SAID on 9/11 that he wished he had had more bombs.

It doesn't matter that that's a total conflation of facts. Not to Clinton, not to McCain, and not to the media.

Actually, no, it is not a conflation of facts.

One thing to realize is that there is obviously no hope for some people. However, many are legitimately confused.

The "talking point" is specifically for the purpose of avoiding the distraction of getting drawn into arguments started for the specific purpose of distraction while simultaneously setting the record straight.

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Sorry roo. I'm still trying to decipher that last paragraph. You could be a spokesperson for a politician!

The facts are that Ayers didn't say anything on September 11, and he didn't say he wished that more people had gotten hurt (as HRC claims). But you know what? Facts don't matter, as long as we have McCain/Hillary/rightwing blogs/the media all describing his "relationship" with Ayers in the same way.

We are spending time talking about this topic. It is a distraction from real issues.

We want to avoid distractions. However, just to say "this is a distraction and we will not discuss it" is not optimal because that allows the distracters to pretend that we are "hiding" something or whatever, which could be detrimental to securing the voters of those who are genuinely educatable.

Therefore, I constructed a "talking point" that A) sets the record straight for the benefit of those observing and B) avoids spending time being distracted.

Yes, get the facts straight.
The substance is taken out of context but regardless - it appeared in a newspaper on 9/11...which means it went to press BEFORE the terrorist attacks. It is just a weird quirk of fate that that is the day it was published.

Welcome to Buffinbargering.

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If we are going to talk about radical supporters and somehow attach their views to a candidate, I would love for Hillary to explain this one:
From the NYT:

Clinton Accepts Aid From a Divisive Figure
NEW ORLEANS, May 19 โ€” Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, who has cast herself as an ally of African-Americans in rebuilding this city, this weekend accepted fund-raising assistance from a family friend who is controversial with many black and white victims of Hurricane Katrina.
The friend, Sheriff Harry Lee of Jefferson Parish, has been close to former President Bill Clinton for many years, and he is popular among some Democrats here. But Sheriff Lee has a long history of making divisive and derogatory remarks, sometimes aimed at residents of neighboring New Orleans, which is predominantly black, and his relationship with many black political leaders is turbulent.
Sheriff Lee drew notoriety shortly after the hurricane when some of his deputies helped prevent hurricane evacuees, most of them black, from crossing the Crescent City Connection bridge into Jefferson Parish. Sheriff Lee defended the move, saying his office had โ€œa duty to protect our people.โ€
Sheriff Lee was a host committee member for a fund-raiser here Friday night for Mrs. Clintonโ€™s presidential campaign. The event, which the senator attended, was closed to the news media. A Clinton campaign spokeswoman declined to comment on Mrs. Clintonโ€™s views of Sheriff Leeโ€™s actions in 2005 or on his fund-raising support.
Phone messages left for Sheriff Lee were not returned. A Clinton adviser declined to discuss his role, citing the personal nature of his relationship with both Clintons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20commence.html?_r=2&scp=2&sq=Milestones%3A+Hillary+Clinton&st=nyt&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

It is truly disgusting what this Sheriff did to these poor refugees, who were not only black, but white, asian, elderly and children. The police stood on bridges with machine guns drawn at these poor people who were just trying to escape the flood and get help. See the news footage of the Sheriff Lee's stand off against these refugees, black, while, young, old. It is really disturbing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSsgwajStCo&feature=related

Harry Lee defends white homes from refugees โ€“ comes unglued on the news
http://www.nola.com/abc26/video/content.ssf/1205glynn

Of course if anyone did bring it up - Obama would be playing the race card. So the story died. The fundraiser happened in May before it got ugly and Sheriff Lee died in Nov. Bill and Hill were long time family friends of this guy. Bill praised him while he was president and even gave a eulogy statement at his funeral.

Most people here seem pretty confident tactics like this will not work against Obama. After seeing what happened the last two elections, and considering they got a certified retard elected into office twice, I am convinced that these shady tactics can work.

It basically comes down to the MSM, how they play this narrative will determine the election.

Yup.

A taste of the general if you run Obama.

A sure loser.

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Buffenbargerer.

Buff the Magic Troll.

Lived by the Sea.

Clearly we should nominate the person losing to the "clear loser."

"Hillary Clinton leads among bowlers, gun owners and hunters in Pennsylvania, a blue-collar trifecta that is helping her hold an edge over rival Barack Obama heading into Tuesday's pivotal primary there."

Clinton by 20.

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Clinton by 20.

In bowling? Perhaps.

Right, because Republicans won't say that Hillary worked at a Communist law firm, her husband pardoned known terrorists, and she helped whack Vince Foster.

Just because your candidate runs like a Republican doesn't mean she's immune to their attacks.

Desperation in the last throes of a failed campaign.

Sad.

Pathetic.

I agree, that comment was sad and pathetic.

You sound like a repub. with your hate of the Clintons.

Huh?

That is completely bizarre coming from a person who spends all his time tearing down Obama.

Hillary is very vulnerable to smear tactics. Mud sticks to her as people already distrust and expect the worst from the Clintons.

I don't believe in any of those smears, nor do I propagate them. You and your candidate, however, are using them to your full advantage.

Your hypocrisy signals the desperation of your campaign's failure.

It's sad and pathetic.

I think what is sad is your confection of nonsense about Hillary. You are sad

You obviously missed my point. Hillary is making the case that Republicans will smear Obama with scurrilous rumors. I'm simply pointing out the problem with her argument, which is that they will do the same thing to her. I'm not arguing that those rumors are true or should be heeded, and I've not brought them up but to rebut the argument that Hillary is more immune to Republican attacks than Obama. She's not.

Just because you run like a Republican doesn't mean you're immune to their attacks.

Barfenbarger.

I should also add that I think the tactics will work equally well if not better against Hilldog.

At first I thought that McCain making these comments so far in advance wouldn't have any effect. Then I realized that he's just trying to lay the foundation of the narrative that will be hung around Obama's neck.

Yup. Oh and we have Hilldawg to thank for that foundation ("Oh, McCain, here don't hurt your back, let me get this started for ya!")

It's really all they "have" on Obama: he's a muslim, or a manchurian candidate, or he's a racist, or he's a plagerizer, or he cavorts with terrorits, or he's supported by terrorits, or he hates this country by refusing to wear the flag pin or by not putting his hand over his chest during the pledge of allegiance, or, or, or, or, or.......

In the end, however, Obama will eviscerate McCain on the actual issues. Now the MSM just needs to wake up and let these issues be discussed. (Thanks, ABC, Steffie and Charlie Gibson! Love ya long time!!)

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Yup. Oh and we have Hilldawg to thank for that foundation ("Oh, McCain, here don't hurt your back, let me get this started for ya!")

O yes, she did.

Which doesn't make her immune from having the Republicans turn around and say the same damn thing about her if she runs.

Plus endless rehashings of: Vince Foster, Travelgate, Whitewater, the Rose Law Firm and Hillary-Joe's many outstanding conflicts of interest there, blue dresses, Monica, then back to the future with Gennifer Flowers! I can almost guarantee it.

Then they will pile on: Bill's deals with the Columbians, her association with Penn, and on and on and on....

Let's note that Clinton and the Republicans are officially running a coordinated campaign against Obama at this point.

So is the McCain campaign a 527 for Clinton, or is it the other way around?

Well since the race is between McCain and Obama id have to say Hillary is the 527.

Thank you Hillary Clinton for making this narrative acceptable for the MSM to tout with impunity!!!! Such a good Democrat you are.

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I can't work up much anger at McCain. He's earned the right to have a grudge against the 60's and 70's radical left and if he wants to refight those old battles, Obama can keep reminding McCain that Obama was 8 years old.

What makes me a lot angrier is that Goldwater Gal, Hillary, bringing up this tripe in her campaign. I mean if the ditto heads can't wrap their minds around the idea that if you teach at a university you are going to run across a diversity of ideas and of people holding those ideas, OK, swell the Rovians can use their ignorance against us, but if you got a degree from Wellesley and a law degree from Yale and you can still pretend that you've never had an acquaintance that took extreme views, well, then you must have had your head in the same drug induced fog that Dubya managed during his university "education".


Gotta love John McCain bringing up "past associations"! I'm from Arizona and we know all about his extremely shady past. He must be verging on senile to think that this subject won't rise up and bite him in the behind!

When all that dirt is brought up, McCain will cry foul and shout about how Obama is not running a respectful campaign.

It's the same crap the Hillary campaign has been pulling from the beginning. They slime Obama and when Obama fights back they say - see! He's in the mud like we are. Heโ€™s just a speech.

What makes me insane is that Hillary and McCain are now doubling up with each other as they go after Obama with the same smears. The drip drip drip of a two-fronted innuendo attack and constant demands for apologies.

Interesting ain't it, to see how hard McCain and the rightwing are working to collude with Hillaryโ€™s campaign and her media supporters to make Hillary the nominee of the Dem party?

Eric,

Maybe you should mention something about how this goes directly against what McCain has said in the past about guilt by associations?

That is, if you and TPM, are actually progressive and not just another flavor of the usual conservative mainstream media.

"Just because your candidate runs like a Republican doesn't mean she's immune to their attacks."

I'm loving that....great line.

Sorry...meant as a reply to Deadalus up above.

You don't run like them, they will run you over.

Like he is doing to Obama now.

Need a fighter not a whiner.

Barely intelligible reply.

Sad.

Pathetic.

It you are going to give yourself a name from greek mythology you might at least spell it right. It is Daedalus, not Deadalus.

I knew I would have to address this at some point.

I'm well aware that it's Daedalus, however, I chose Deadalus at another site because someone else had taken Daedalus. It's also a bit of wordplay, and had Joyce chosen this spelling I'm sure there would be numerous theses on how Stephen represents Ireland's failure to transcend (insert Joycean literary theory).

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It is too very funny to note that the ones who at least pretend to favor Hillary are arguing that McCain is superior to Hillary. They are saying that McCain can win with the very strategy that has made Hillary a loser.

This type of sliming may have distracted Americans in the past to get them to vote against their own self interest but:

Not This Time.

I have a feeling that's going to be Obama's general election theme.

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McCain will be playing from the same Rove-Atwater book as Bush II, Bush I, and Reagan. I'm sure his campaign has a similar line of slurs for Clinton should she manage to pull off the nomination, this despite all the praise she's heaped on him. I'd like to think that people are tired of these tactics, but given how well they've worked in the past, I see no reason to believe they won't work again, especially given how much the press loves McCain.

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Note also who's show McCain was on when he made these comments, and who handed him the opening. Good going, George.

You know, the harder Obama tries to be positive, the nastier the campaign gets. Obama was so civil during the debate. Why can't the Republicans be civil?? They're just like Hillary! (cue the sobbing) Why can't we just discuss the fact that Obama's ahead in the pledged delegate count???

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Asked by host George Stephanopoulos whether he has any doubt that Obama shares his sense of patriotism, McCain brought the subject up.

โ€œI'm sure he's very patriotic. But his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question,โ€ McCain said.

โ€œHe became friends with him and spent time with him while the guy was unrepentant over his activities as a member of a terrorist organization, the Weathermen,โ€ McCain said. โ€œDoes he condemn them? Would he condemn someone who says they're unrepentant and wished that they had bombed more?โ€

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Obama has already said, he will hit much harder against McCain than he ever has against Clinton. He hasn't hit anywhere near as hard as he could because he doesn't believe you should make those kinds of attacks against a fellow Democrat.

Republicans, however, are fair game.

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Yes I just love me some Stepinfechitopoulous.

little pipsqueak.

I guess Obama will flip off mcwar now:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM

zzzzzzzzzzz

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I'm with you.


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish Obama would flip gotalife off. Afterall, she gave us all the Italian "fuck you" with her avatar for weeks.

Sad. Pathetic.

Gotolife, you've become a caricature of yourself.

No.

But I'll flip you off.

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Actually it was just a scratch. Try looking at it from a different angle. Per Crooks and Liars
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/20/msnbcs-contessa-brewer-helps-spread-false-rumor-that-obama-gave-the-finger/

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Gotalife = gold standard for buffenbargering.

When you think buffenbargering, think Gotalife!

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John McCain once attended a meeting with Charles Keating, who stole over a billion dollars from the taxpayers. McCain spent time with him WHILE he was stealing the money, so presumably Keating was unreptentant at the time he was meeting with McCain. Does McCain condemn Keating? Would he condemn someone who stole from the taxpayers while he was meeting with McCain and wished that he could have stolen more?

Really, for guilt by association, with how bad the economy is going to suck by this fall, all that will be needed is the picture of McCain hugging the man who once beat him in an election by calling up voters and saying he had an illegitimate black child.

I cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot wait to turn the guns on this right-wing McCainiac. I honor his service, but after that.... Powzowee

In short, prepare yourselves for a lot more fun moments like this, should Barack Obama ultimately win the Democratic nomination.


OOOOOO...Marmot Wing of the Democratic Party...Eric says BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID


and be thankful you have Hillary to pass all this bullshit first

TPMElectHillaryCentral sez:

SEE?!?! Now Vote Hillary: She's Not As Bad As You Think

Yeah blame Clinton whiners.

Sad.

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No, no one blames Clinton Whiners, only Clinton. Sorry you were feeling put upon. The only thing I blame Getalife for is repeating the exact same thing in every comment.

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I cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot wait to turn the guns on this right-wing McCainiac. I honor his service, but after that.... Powzowee

I rather think McCain himself has thoroughly dishonored his own service.

Any man who, after being tortured and hearing his comrades screams while they were tortured, who then turned around and voted to torture other prisoners has no honor left, frankly.

None.

Just like Colin Powell - no honor left.

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I have this feeling that, even after Hillary admits what everyone else already knows and concedes defeat, gottalie is still not going to go away. He'll just be shilling McCain instead.

No, it is the definition of insanity to think voting gop will change anything.

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And you would know all about insanity, goateelife.

Role Model for Children - Obama

A few days ago Obama gave the 'finger' to Hillary on national television and smugly laughed about it with his audience. Is this type of malicious immaturity what you want your children to learn: lack of tolerance, vengeance and the bully mentality? After that one event, besides the mindless and uneducated, how could anyone seriously consider this Obama for any office?

Also, Obama's state-senate candidacy was launched at Weather Underground bombers Ayers house in 1995. Ayers who advocates the violent destruction of America may have much more to do with promoting Obama than we know. The organization MoveOn has aggressively intimidated delegates to vote for Obama and to shun Hillary and is likely closely connected with Ayers. Ayers finally got his bomb - Obama.

Obama also rigged his election to become senator by unfairly disqualifying his opponents. He did this by meticulously finding fault with each of the other candidates signed petitions until each of the contenders had to drop out, Obama was the last one standing, there was no election. This was another finger gesture towards the American public by Obama.

If this isn't enough, look at Obama's affiliations:
Wright
Meeks
Ayers
Abongo "Roy" Obama
Rashid Khalidi
Robert Malley
Hamas
McPeaks
Rezko
Auchi

And the list goes on...

This may be the time of the Anti-Christ, but do you want to be on the list of people who voted for him?

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I didn't vote for Dick Cheney.

But it sounds like you did.

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Obama is "affiliated" with Hamas now?

In what way? I mean, other than in your diseased mind.

Dont even bother with olandug, but if you want to see something funny google his name, he is quite the busy spammer.

Not me.

I doubt he is the Anti Christ but he is a terrible candidate and the Dems would be fools to run him.

Gotalife has no reason to believe Obama's the Antichrist.

Its a Biblical reference to the end of days.

mcwar's radical spiritual adviser is a firm believer in it.

I think it is a dangerous mind set when they cheer it on.

You're spamming sites with that nonsense. McPeaks is a retired high-level Air Force officer, for the record, and calling Obama the Anti-Christ is just plain silly. Everyone knows the Anti-Christ will arise from Europe.

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No to the anti-christ thingy, but yes to Obama!

Go back to your lair; you are so full of shit!

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WTF is "McPeaks"...?

Are you referring to Tony McPeak, the retired Air Force general and former member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who successfully lead the air campaign during Desert Shield/Desert Storm and is backing Obama?

"I'm sure he's very patriotic," McCain said of Obama. "But his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question."

"I'm sure he's not a pig fucker," McCain said of Obama. "But his relationship with pig fuckers is open to question."

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Exactly!

"I'm sure he's not a pig fucker," McCain said of Obama. "But his relationship with pig fuckers is open to question.

I'm sure McCain isn't a pedophile, but his relationship with pedophiles is open to question.

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That is a terrible thing to say! McCain is NOT a pedophile ----er....as far as I know.

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"He became friends with him and spent time with him while the guy was unrepentant over his activities as a member of a terrorist organization, the Weathermen."

Yeah, and McCain became friends with George W. Bush and spent time with him while the guy was unrepentant over his activities as a member of the anti-American terrorist organization, the Bush administration.

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good point, and...love your avatar.

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So true. Let's see that sweaty hug again and again and again -

McCain become friends with GWB โ€“ the same guy who disemboweled his campaign in SC in 2000 with rancid lies about his family and attacked him for his Viet Nam experience.

This is the same torture friendly Preznit against whom McCain failed to stand up to.

And now the Repukes are running him as a man of integrity.

Yeah, lets see that sweaty, pheromone-emitting photo again.

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How is that the trolls are able to constantly whine about Obama "unfairly attacking" Clinton AND whine that he's not a fighter, that he's a wimp.

Doublething - the ability to hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time. Our trolls here are masters.

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Er... doublethinK. Spent a little too much time out in the sun this afternoon.

Won't this interfere with McCain's attempts to distance himself and pretend he's "honorable" and "above the fray" while the GOP does their smear and sleaze?

It looks like McCain is tying himself to the GOP sleaze pretty tightly.

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That's not sleaze -- a Republican is saying it. Therefore he's "being tough".

Well I'm sure Hillary supporters [half of the party] will be more than willing to help everyone beat back on McCain. Afterall, you've been so honest and respectful to Hillary and her supporters, and have been actively wooing them since Obama won a long time ago. Right? Hope so, you'll need every last one of her supporters. Here's hoping they don't read HuffPo, Daily Kos, TPM or 99% of the rest of the liberal blogosphere.

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O my god -

Let's hope no one is stupid or insane enough to base their vote on what some anonymous jackass online says.

But tell you what - if they are that stupid or that insane - nothing you can do about it.

We aren't listened to by that many people, dear. Everyone is about on the same level coming in - we're all here for the same reason and people who read comments are reading them for the same reason we're here - not to get educated on how to vote. That's what the goddam POSTS are about - not the comments.

Or watch You Tube flipping her off.


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You mention youtube, but you don't give a link. Is there a reason?

One more thing, doesn't this faux Ayers thing seem like an attempt to Boomer-ize Obama? Obama was not part of the sixties generation. McCain isn't a boomer but being in Vietnam puts him in there. Obama is trying to get past the 60s era arguments and divisions, but the Boomer-era pundit class can't seem to get past their own preoccupations with the 60s.

Thus the silliness of trying to blame the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, etc. etc. on then 8 year old Obama.


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Yeah, that occured to me too...I just figured that it was because NEITHER party is familiar with playing on any turf other than the 1960's, since that's the argument they've been having for the past 40 years. And that's the only frame of reference the press has for covering political contests.

But I've been saying for awhile that I think when it's all said and done, this election is going to break out along generational lines rather than gender or race lines. The attempts to move the argument back to the 60s is not going to gain any traction with Obama's core age demographic, because they were all either little kids or not born yet when it started. And there are quite a few boomers who are just tired of arguing over the same old stuff, so it might fail with them too. It might help McCain some with old people, but that demographic was never likely to go for Obama anyway because of his race.

YOUNG PUNKS VS OLD FARTS '08!!! Kick ass!! Hell yeah!!

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Hell Yeah!

The attempts to move the argument back to the 60s is not going to gain any traction with Obama's core age demographic,

No shit - and you're right about a lot of us who were born in that wave after WWII - we're sick of the whole thing, too.

I want to go forward. I am tired of being dragged backwards.

Forward with change - Obama!

Not that same old tired political dynasty crap - that's so 20th century.


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Just curious, but has anyone even bothered to ask Bill Ayers if he even has had any type of relationship with Obama outside of hosting the one meet-n-greet years ago and sitting on the same foundation board for a few years?

For that matter, have any of you Hillarybots who are so "concerned" about Ayers ever sat on a board? Cause if you had, you'd know that in most cases, board members are a pretty diverse group, not some circle of close friends. The typical board meets on whatever schedule they have, the members exchange pleasantries, then they go through the agenda, and then they adjourn and go their separate ways. The only "association" that can be shown about any two people - simply by virtue of them serving on the same board - is that they each individually agree with the mission of the organization. If that's going to be the standard, we could say that all vegetarians have an "association" with Hitler, because the connection is about as strong.

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Why should they care what a "terrorist" has to say?

Actually, why are you suggesting that they listen to a terrorist? Do you have terrorist friends? You're a terrorist yourself, I bet!

Where's your flag pin? How come you're not wearing a brown shirt?

Um, they weren't friends?

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Given what Obama himself has said, and that he didn't even know what Ayers teaches at the university where he has a professorship, it seems the "association" between the two is more of the level of "acquaintance" than any kind of close friendship.

One first told of this, McCain said, "I thought Hamas was something you put on pita bread?" But then Lieberman whispered in his ear and set him straight.

"When..." Sheesh, way to kill your own joke Opus.

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That's okay. I figured it out right away.

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You know, I have a real visceral reaction to the poster above who calls itself olandug [at 5:25 pm]. Its been a long time since I visited one of the freeper sites, but that posting reminds me of how those sites are mainly vile and basically unintelligent [a whole mishmash of unsupported lies leaning on each other like a old haystack].
And oilandung ended with some reference to the antiChrist, which indicates a real lack of intelligence i.e., spewing a bunch of smears and lies IS anti-Christ in itself.

Anyway, I bring this up because the software changes at TPM apparently disallow any curb on this sort of commenting. I wonder if there could be a check of some kind instituted? Just asking.

And once again Clinton leads, McCain follows. I wonder what the McCain campaign is going to do for ideas once Clinton is out of the race.

McCain/Clinton
Unity 08
(Three CIC's on Day One!!!!!!)

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She will probably be his campaign manager. OOOOPS! She already is!

Obama fights back:

"Obama: McCain better than Bush:


Barack Obama seemed to break with the core of the Democratic Party's strategy against John McCain at a town hall in Reading, telling the audience that McCain would be better than George W. Bush.

"You have a real choice in this election. Either Democrat would be better than John McCain," Obama said. "And all three of us would be better than George Bush."

Obama himself has described McCain as running for a third Bush term, and the leading Democratic 527 tested an ad earlier this year arguing that the Arizona senator is "McSame as Bush."

So it's a strategically puzzling thing to say, one that will likely be used to undermine some of the party's future ads, though perhaps Obama is just saying what he thinks."

Um, nevermind.

OMG! This is IT! This is the Big Thing you Hillarites have been waiting for! He said McCain or Hillary would be better than Bush! At last, the scales will fall from the eyes of Obama's supporters and they will flock to Hillary's banner and give Her that which is rightfully Hers! Obama's campaign is doooommeed, dooooomed I say! Muahahahaha!

Heh yeah they do like to say that a lot don't they.

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But did he say that McCain has passed the Idiot in Chief test? Nobody's better than Bush at the Idiot in Chief test.

Yes. Gotalife, you poor addled Short Bus Troll,

Senator Obama would just love to have John McCain go around boasting that he is better than George W. Bush, and cite Senator Obama as the source.

That will go down very well with the Rabid Right Wing of the Republican Party that thinks that the Sun rises and sets around Bush's Arse.

Go ahead McCain, make our campaign, and please take Gotalife, the poor addled Short Bus Troll, for a ride on your Crazy Talk Express.

Back to England wanker.

Gotalife, the Short Bus Troll, sitting in his Aryan Nation Compound, talking up John McCain.

A person in a coma would be a better president then Bush so it doesn't say much, but i notice Hillary trolls are trying to make a mountain out of a ant hill.

The Washington Post exposes an other incident of where John McCain turns violent against a fellow Republican Senator.

Just what the nation needs as a Commander in Chief, or so Hillary Lieberman Clinton would have us to believe, a raging lunatic, in his eight decade, with his hand on the Doomsday Trigger.

Hillary is the new Lieberman.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/19/AR2008041902224_pf.html


McCain: A Question of Temperament

By Michael Leahy
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, April 20, 2008; A01

John McCain cupped a fist and began pumping it, up and down, along the side of his body. It was a gesture familiar to a participant in the closed-door meeting of the Senate committee who hoped that it merely signaled, as it sometimes had in the past, McCain's mounting frustration with one of his colleagues.

But when McCain leaned toward Charles E. Grassley and slowly said, "My friend . . ." it seemed clear that ugliness was looming: While the plural "my friends" was usually a warm salutation from McCain, "my friend" was often a prelude to his most caustic attacks. Grassley, an Iowa Republican with a reputation as an unwavering legislator, calmly held his ground. McCain became angrier, his fist pumping even faster.

It was early 1992, and the occasion was an informal gathering of a select committee investigating lingering issues about Vietnam War prisoners and those missing in action, most notably whether any American servicemen were still being held by the Vietnamese. It is unclear precisely what issue set off McCain that day. But at some point, he mocked Grassley to his face and used a profanity to describe him. Grassley stood and, according to two participants at the meeting, told McCain, "I don't have to take this. I think you should apologize."

McCain refused and stood to face Grassley. "There was some shouting and shoving between them, but no punches," recalls a spectator, who said that Nebraska Democrat Bob Kerrey helped break up the altercation.

Grassley said recently that "it was a very long period of time" before he and McCain spoke to each other again, though he declined, through a spokesman, to discuss the specifics of the incident.

Since the beginning of McCain's public life, the many witnesses to his temper have had strikingly different reactions to it. Some depict McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee for president, as an erratic hothead incapable of staying cool in the face of what he views as either disloyalty to him or irrational opposition to his ideas. Others praise a firebrand who is resolute against the forces of greed and gutlessness.

"Does he get angry? Yes," said Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, a Connecticut independent who supports McCain's presidential bid. "But it's never been enough to blur his judgment. . . . If anything, his passion and occasional bursts of anger have made him more effective."

Former senator Bob Smith, a New Hampshire Republican, expresses worries about McCain: "His temper would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind, it should disqualify him."

A spokesman for McCain's campaign said he would be unavailable for an interview on the subject of his temper. But over the years, no one has written more intimately about McCain's outbursts than McCain himself. "My temper has often been both a matter of public speculation and personal concern," he wrote in a 2002 memoir. "I have a temper, to state the obvious, which I have tried to control with varying degrees of success because it does not always serve my interest or the public's."

That temper has followed him throughout his life, McCain acknowledges. He recalls in his writings how, as a toddler, he sometimes held his breath and fainted during moments of fury. As the son of a naval officer who was on his way to becoming a four-star admiral, McCain found himself frequently uprooted and enrolled in new schools, where, as an underappreciated outsider, he developed "a little bit of a chip on my shoulder," as he recalled this month.

During a campaign stop at Episcopal High School in Alexandria, the most famous graduate of the Class of 1954 opened a window on what swirled inside him during his school years. "I was always the new kid and was accustomed to proving myself quickly at each new school as someone not to be challenged lightly," he told students.

"As a young man, I would respond aggressively and sometimes irresponsibly to anyone who I perceived to have questioned my sense of honor and self-respect. Those responses often got me in a fair amount of trouble earlier in life."

He defied authority, ridiculed other students, sometimes fought. The nicknames hung on him at Episcopal mocked his hair-trigger feistiness: "Punk" and "McNasty." Hoping to emulate his father and grandfather, also an admiral, he went on to the Naval Academy, where his pattern of unruliness and defiance continued, landing him near the bottom of his class. "I acted like a jerk," McCain wrote of the period before he righted himself to become a naval aviator, a Vietnam POW and eventually a career politician.

The trajectory of his temper, studied ever more intently as his White House ambitions took shape, includes incidents from his years in the House and in the Senate, leading up to the early days of his current presidential campaign. In 2007, during a heated closed-door discussion with Senate colleagues about the contentious immigration issue, he angrily shouted a profanity at a fellow Republican, John Cornyn of Texas, an incident that quickly found its way into headlines.

Reports recently surfaced of Rep. Rick Renzi, an Arizona Republican, taking offense when McCain called him "boy" once too often during a 2006 meeting, a story that McCain aides confirm while playing down its importance. "Renzi flared and he was prickly," McCain strategist Mark Salter said. "But there were no punches thrown or anything."
'Everyone Has a Temper'

According to aides, McCain's frequent comments about his temperament reflect a recognition that the issue persists for some voters and the media. At times he expresses regret about his temper, often tracing it to the same resentments that ignited him as a boy: "In all candor, as an adult I've been known to forget occasionally the discretion expected of a person of my many years and station when I believe I've been accorded a lack of respect I did not deserve," he said at Episcopal.

On other occasions, he has contended that his blowups have served a purpose. In a recent interview with CNN, while referring to his temper as "a very minor thing," McCain declared that voters occasionally want him to vent: "When I see corruption, . . . when I see people misbehaving badly, they expect me to" be angry.

Salter, who has co-written five books with McCain that, among other things, explore the origins of his feistiness, said he thinks McCain's temper first became an issue after an incident in 1989, during McCain's first term in the Senate.

The nomination of a beleaguered John Tower to become defense secretary was already in trouble when Sen. Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, a conservative Democrat who later became a Republican, helped doom it by voting against Tower. A furious McCain, believing that Shelby had reneged on a commitment of support, accosted him, got within an inch of his nose and screamed at him. News of the incident swiftly spread around the Capitol.

"I think it started there," Salter said, though by 1989, many of McCain's colleagues had already heard stories about other eruptions during his two terms in the House.

Part of the paradox of McCain is that many of the old targets of his volcanic temper are now his campaign contributors. Former Phoenix mayor Paul Johnson is one example. In 1992, during a private meeting of Arizona officials over a federal land issue that affected the state, a furious McCain openly questioned Johnson's honesty. "Start a tape recorder -- it's best when you get a liar on tape," McCain said to others in the meeting, according to an account of their "nose-to-nose, testosterone-filled" argument that Johnson later provided to reporters.

But Johnson, who once was quoted as saying that he thought McCain was "in the area of being unstable," today says that he has mellowed, citing a 2006 face-to-face apology that he said he received from his old adversary. "He's not the same guy, as far as I'm concerned," Johnson said. "And nothing has happened during the course of this year's campaign."

Cornyn is now a McCain supporter, as is Republican Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, himself a past target of McCain's sharp tongue, especially over what McCain regarded as Cochran's hunger for pork-barrel projects in his state. Cochran landed in newspapers early during the campaign after declaring that the thought of McCain in the Oval Office "sends a cold chill down my spine."

Indeed, aside from a single testy exchange in March with New York Times reporter Elisabeth Bumiller over whether he had had a conversation in 2004 with Democratic Sen. John F. Kerry about being his running mate -- a tape of which appeared immediately on YouTube -- McCain has been noticeably unflappable throughout the primaries. Advisers posit that his temperament ought to be a dead issue.

"Everyone has a temper . . . but there has been no evidence of a temper problem here," said Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager. "In our campaign, he has done give-and-take with people everywhere, regardless if someone agrees or disagrees with him. There is no more probing process than a presidential campaign. He has performed well under the most intense kind of pressure."
Friends and Enemies

McCain has been down this road before. During his 2000 presidential run, responding in part to questions about his temper and what effect, if any, his 5 1/2 years as a POW had on his psyche, he released about 1,500 pages of his medical and psychiatric records, which presented a clean bill of mental health.

"I'm not saying he doesn't have a temper, but it's governable," Salter said. "When he has a heated argument, it's usually with one of his peers, who are unaccustomed to being addressed that way by anyone, really. Sometimes he can't govern his tongue. He's just blunt -- he's a straightforward person."

McCain has built much of his appeal, especially with independents, as the fiery maverick willing to defy both parties. His tempestuousness has girded him in high-stakes confrontations, especially against Republican conservatives who regard his occasionally moderate stances as proof that he has sold them out.

"You will damn well do this. You will make this a holiday. You're making us look like fools," he privately exploded two decades ago at a stunned group of Arizona Republicans who opposed creating a state holiday in remembrance of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

Early during their days together in the Senate, Smith came to believe that McCain often used his temper as a strategic weapon, that if he "couldn't persuade you, he was going at least to needle you or [sometimes] belittle you or blow up into trying to have you believe you were beneath him, so that you'd be less likely to challenge him. He needed to be the top guy."

Smith admits to not liking McCain, a point he has often made over the years to reporters. "I've witnessed a lot of his temper and outbursts," Smith said. "For me, some of this stuff is relevant. It raises questions about stability. . . . It's more than just temper. It's this need of his to show you that he's above you -- a sneering, condescending attitude. It's hurt his relationships in Congress. . . . I've seen it up-close."

Smith, whose service in the Navy included a tour on the waters in and around Vietnam, said he stood stunned one day when McCain declared around several of their colleagues that Smith wasn't a real Vietnam War veteran. "I was in the combat zone, off the Mekong River, for 10 months," Smith said. "He went on to insult me several times. I wasn't on the land; I guess that was his reasoning. . . . He suggested I was masquerading about my Vietnam service. It was very hurtful. He's gotten to a lot of people [that way]."

While in the course of a policy disagreement at a luncheon meeting of Republican senators, McCain reportedly insulted Pete V. Domenici of New Mexico with an earthy expletive. Domenici demanded an apology. "Okay, I'll apologize," McCain said, before referring to an infuriated Domenici with the same expletive.

Salter insists that many of McCain's run-ins with colleagues and activists have resulted from McCain's conviction that his honor in some way has been questioned. "If he feels a challenge to his integrity, then he'll say something," Salter said. "If he thinks you betrayed him . . . he'll tell you, he'll be angry. . . . But he's also exceedingly forgiving."

During the early 1990s, McCain telephoned the office of Tom Freestone, a governmental official little known outside Arizona's Maricopa County. McCain had an unusual request. He wanted Freestone, then chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, to reject a job applicant named Karen S. Johnson, whose last governmental position had been in the office of a former Arizona governor and who had just interviewed for a position as an aide in Freestone's office.

According to two employees in the office, McCain told Freestone that the applicant's past political associations left her carrying unflattering baggage.

The pair of Freestone staffers thought it odd that a U.S. senator would even know that Johnson had applied for a job in their office, let alone that he had taken time out of his workday to pick up a phone and weigh in on a staffing matter so removed from the locus of Washington power. But McCain's disenchantment with Johnson was personal: A few years earlier, he had an angry exchange with her while she was the secretary for Republican Arizona Gov. Evan Meacham, who was impeached and forced out of office for campaign finance violations.

Around the time of Meacham's ouster, Johnson said, McCain paid a visit to him. Johnson recalled that McCain swiftly used the opportunity to lecture Meacham: "You should never have been elected. You're an embarrassment to the [Republican] Party."

A stupefied Meacham just stared at the senator. An indignant Johnson, as she tells the story, snapped at McCain: "How dare you? You're the embarrassment to the party."

As Johnson and another person working in Freestone's office remember, the surprised supervisor told Johnson about McCain's objections to her. "But I'm hiring you anyway," Freestone told her.

For Johnson, McCain's call raised questions as to whether he bore a lasting animosity against anyone who ever challenged him. "Everyone in [Freestone's] office thought it was all ridiculous . . . and petty," remembers Johnson, a devout Republican conservative who today is an Arizona state senator.

"Senator McCain says he has no recollection of ever making a phone call to block a job for Karen Johnson," Salter said.

During roughly the same period, McCain requested the firing of an aide to Arizona's senior U.S. senator, Dennis DeConcini, according to two top figures in DeConcini's office.

The aide, a veterans affairs expert named Judy Leiby, first ran into problems with McCain in the late '80s, when she sought to correct what she regarded as a McCain misstatement about DeConcini's record on a veterans issue. She was attending a Phoenix meeting between McCain and some veterans when she rebutted a McCain assertion that DeConcini, a Democrat, favored a bill that included a cut of some veterans benefits. "That is incorrect," Leiby said, detailing the specifics of DeConcini's position as McCain listened stonily.

Sometime afterward, McCain called DeConcini and asked that he dismiss Leiby, insisting to the senator that his aide had become a toxic, partisan figure. According to the two people in the office, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, DeConcini defended Leiby and, praising what he characterized as her bipartisan fairness and expertise, urged McCain to give her a second look. McCain refused, repeating his demand that Leiby be fired.

DeConcini "politely told McCain to go to hell," according to a source close to the conversation, adding: "Not once in [DeConcini's 18-year Senate tenure] did another senator ask for an aide to be dismissed. Not once did anyone speak about an aide like that."

Episodes such as the Johnson and Leiby incidents, along with McCain's oft-chronicled blowups on Capitol Hill, have led critics to say he has a vindictive streak, that he sees an enemy in anyone who challenges him.

"I heard about his temper more from others," said Grant Woods, McCain's first congressional chief of staff, who is generally regarded as McCain's closest confidant in his early political years. "According to them, he really unleashed on some of them, and they couldn't figure out why. . . . It happened enough that it was affecting his credibility with some people. If you wanted a programmed, subdued, always-on-message politician, he wasn't and will never be your guy."

Woods helped orchestrate McCain's first House campaign in 1982 and worked to get him elected to the Senate in 1986. That year the Arizona Republican Party held its Election Night celebration for all its candidates at a Phoenix hotel, where the triumphant basked in the cheers of their supporters and delivered victory statements on television.

After McCain finished his speech, he returned to a suite in the hotel, sat down in front of a TV and viewed a replay of his remarks, angry to discover that the speaking platform had not been erected high enough for television cameras to capture all of his face -- he seemed to have been cut off somewhere between his nose and mouth.

A platform that had been adequate for taller candidates had not taken into account the needs of the 5-foot-9 McCain, who left the suite and went looking for a man in his early 20s named Robert Wexler, the head of Arizona's Young Republicans, which had helped make arrangements for the evening's celebration. Confronting Wexler in a hotel ballroom, McCain exploded, according to witnesses who included Jon Hinz, then executive director of the Arizona Republican Party. McCain jabbed an index finger in Wexler's chest.

"I told you we needed a stage," he screamed, according to Hinz. "You incompetent little [expletive]. When I tell you to do something, you do it."

Hinz recalls intervening, placing his 6-foot-6 frame between the senator-elect and the young volunteer. "John, this is not the time or place for this," Hinz remembers saying to McCain, who fumed that he hadn't been seen clearly by television viewers. Hinz recollects finally telling McCain: "John, look, I'll follow you out on stage myself next time. I'll make sure everywhere you go there is a milk crate for you to stand on. But this is enough."

McCain spun around on his heels and left. He did not talk to Hinz again for several years. In 2000, as Hinz recalls, he appeared briefly on the Christian Broadcasting Network to voice his worries about McCain's temperament on televangelist Pat Robertson's show, "The 700 Club." Hinz's concerns have since grown with reports of incidents in and out of Arizona.

In 1994, McCain tried to stop a primary challenge to the state's Republican governor, J. Fife Symington III, by telephoning his opponent, Barbara Barrett, the well-heeled spouse of a telecommunications executive, and warning of unspecified "consequences" should she reject his advice to drop out of the race. Barrett stayed in. At that year's state Republican convention, McCain confronted Sandra Dowling, the Maricopa County school superintendent and, according to witnesses, angrily accused her of helping to persuade Barrett to enter the race.

"You better get [Barrett] out or I'll destroy you," a witness claims that McCain shouted at her. Dowling responded that if McCain couldn't respect her right to support whomever she chose, that he "should get the hell out of the Senate." McCain shouted an obscenity at her, and Dowling howled one back.

Woods raced over, according to a witness, and pulled Dowling away. Woods said he has "no memory" of being involved, "though I heard something about an argument."

"What happens if he gets angry in crisis" in the presidency?" Hinz asked. "It's difficult enough to be a negotiator, but it's almost impossible when you're the type of guy who's so angry at anybody who doesn't do what he wants. It's the president's job to negotiate and stay calm. I don't see that he has that quality."

Having reunited with his old boss after a falling out in the '90s, Woods is back on board. Barbara Barrett, too. Other Arizona Republicans, once spurned or alienated from McCain, have accepted invitations to rejoin him, though not Sandra Dowling or Jon Hinz, who said, "I've just seen too much. That temper, the intolerance: It worries me."

the democratic primary should have been ended like yesterday. Forget Hillary, we need to MOVE ON!

I honor every veteran's service as long as they served honorably Both my parents were officers in the Second World War. Several of my relatives served in Vietnam, while many of my colleagues have kids in Iraq or Afghanistan This is a non-negotiable for me. The torture vote forty years later is an entirely different kettle of fish. McCain definitely does not get a pass.

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Glad to hear you say that:

The torture vote forty years later is an entirely different kettle of fish. McCain definitely does not get a pass.


Because this isn't negotiable for me: anyone who was in any involved in the torture of prisoners is a war criminal. That means anyone who discussed it, wrote about it, signed off on it, went to check on it, knew about it and said nothing, voted for it, or in any way became involved has no morals at all AFAIC. I want to see every last one of them tried - which I probably won't get, but I won't stop asking for it.

And I want every single one of them who is a lawyer disbarred yesterday.

It is just as easy to associate Sen. McCain with Bob Allen, the guy in FL, who was busted for offering a policeman 20 dollars, in a public bathroom, to give the policeman a blowjob. Did you guys forget that already. That is why Joe Scarbourgh had to walk off of the set the other day, when Rachel Maddow brought up Bob Allen. Does Sen. McCain suck mens dick's in public bathrooms?

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No silly - I already said that while McCain may not be a pedophile, his associations with pedophiles is an open question and the same goes for the rest of the Republicans busted for doing things that the law considers sexually deviant.

How about McCain's co-chair guy in Arizona?

Yeah, that one touched a nerve.

That is the spirit, fight back.

Probably make mcwar show that famous temper.

Yeah, that one touched a nerve.

That is the spirit, fight back.

Probably make mcwar show that famous temper.

Just when I think that you have gone completely over to being gotnolite you go and say something like that and partially redeem yourself, somewhat.

From first link provided by Erick -

On Sunday, McCain said Coburn was โ€œa great humanitarianโ€ฆ in my view, one of greatest spokespersons for the rights of the unborn.โ€
โ€œTo compare [Ayers] with Dr. Coburn, who spends so much of his life bringing babies into this world, that in my viewโ€ฆ borders on outrageous,โ€ McCain said..

So for Bob Allen we will see similar defense like -- he's an honorable man who has served his state with honor -- or some such crap.

I guess Obama supporters should be pleased that he is getting so much scrutiny from McCain and the media. It must be because he is the presumptive nominee. Thus far they have come up only with the following dirt: (1) he has a pastor who often sounds like a crackpot; (2) he has a former extremist radical living in his neighborhood who also does charity work at the same charity Obama volunteered for; (3) he sounded elitist at a fundraiser once; and (4) he thinks its okay to not wear a flag pin along with 99.9% of other Americans. Finally, through excellent investigative journalism, it has now been debunked by this scrutinizing media that he is not in fact a member of the Muslim faith.

How Obama can withstand such scathing scrutiny is uncanny! Even the media has marveled at how Obama is still accepted in decent society after these incredible gaffes and scandals.

As sarcastic as this sounds, it is, in fact, the political story of the moment. If I didn't know better, I would think there was something conspiratorial or sinister in this situation, but I know better -- America and its news gathering representatives follow politics like they follow big time wrestling -- they don't care what's real-- and the commentary is filled with references to fake head slams.

Anyone who cares to think about it knows that big time wrestling is fake. Similarly, anyone who thinks about it will realize how fake this whole Obama scrutinizing is.

Consider Obama's mangled and otherwise unremarkable sentence that conservative, small town voters are not racist (that was the question he was asked) -- but they simply tend to vote on guns, god, and immigration, because they don't believe Washington will tend to their economic needs and are embittered over this reality.

The main insult in the story was to the people of San Francisco, who were maligned simply for being the geographic location of the remarks!


Now let's assume for purposes of argument that Obama knows and deals with Ayers but that Obama doesn't think like Ayers or approve of bombing things. What's the story?-- he didn't kick his butt when he found out that Ayers lived in Chicago? Is that what he should have done? Punched him out? Stopped him from doing charity work? Refused to look at him?

This is odd because everyone seems to like the fact that he Obama is a Christian, right? Would Jesus ostracize and ignore folks who had sinned?

Was it tacky for Bush to attack McCain in South Carolina based on racist, stupid claims? Yes, so why is it okay to ask Obama if he is Muslim, if he is black enough, if he regrets not punching out Reverend Wright, and if he is a secret supporter of the Weather Underground?!

Only one answer is possible. He's the only person alive who has a chance of becoming the next President of the United States. I'd be offended if I were McCain.

"It is just as easy to associate Sen. McCain with Bob Allen, the guy in FL, who was busted for offering a policeman 20 dollars, in a public bathroom, to give the policeman a blowjob. Did you guys forget that already. That is why Joe Scarbourgh had to walk off of the set the other day, when Rachel Maddow brought up Bob Allen. Does Sen. McCain suck mens dick's in public bathrooms?"

Good question. Since ABC cares so much about "electability", they have to ask him now. It's all over the blogs, after all.

Hey, hey John McCain!
How many senators have you shoved today?

The Washington Post exposes an other incident of where John McCain turns violent against a fellow Republican Senator.

Just what the nation needs as a Commander in Chief, or so Hillary Lieberman Clinton would have us to believe, a raging lunatic, in his eight decade, with his hand on the Doomsday Trigger.

Hillary is the new Lieberman.

How soon we forget Obama backed Lieberman in his primary bid in '06. Doh! Lieberman is known in the Senate as Obama's mentor. It's Obama spewing High Broderisms like "coming together" and "reaching out to Republicans". What a crock.

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FIrst, Lieberman was assigned to be the mentor for the freshman Senator and second, what does that have to do with John McCain having temper tantrums and getting into shoving matches with other Senators?

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BTW, what should we make of this from NPR?

July 25, 2006

Former President Bill Clinton campaigned for Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) on Monday. Lieberman faces a strong primary challenge from a wealthy cable-TV entrepreneur, Ned Lamont. Polls show the race is a dead heat.


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We should make of it that Lieberman had the backing of the DLC against the DNC, which wanted Lamont.

That's what that means. We got Lieberman largely because of the DLC.

Indeed.

Stephanopoulos let McCain get away with his repeated MISQUOTING and MISREPRESENTING of Ayers comments regarding Ayers Weatherman Underground activities.

McCain repeatedly claimed Ayers had said that "...he wished he's bombed more".

What Ayers actually said in 2001 was "I feel we didn't do enough." He was not referring to bombing, but WU activities to force the Government of Richard Nixon to stop the war.

This isn't about Ayers, Obama or the Presidential Election, per se, as the actions of a student radical many years before many voters were born has nothing to do with todays America and the issues facing your neighbors:

This is about facing down and vilifying decent, even decades after the fact. This is about targeting the enemies of fascism even when they have long since given up radical activities and taken on the trappings of middle-class America. This is about showing the sons and daughters of the '60's rebellion that The State never forgets!

Lestatdelc
It has as much to do with McCain's temper as the comment I replied to saying Hillary is Lieberman. I just noted the hypocrisy.

Gotalife has a new sockpuppet.

How do we know? Well first the avatar--she's been fond of using "fuck you" imagery as we all recall with the Scalia picture. Second, the short sentences and their rhythm is just too similar to be coincidental.

Gotalife has no life.

Sad.

Pathetic.

I see I touched a nerve and I am in your head.

You are wrong as usual and stop humping my leg.

Geez.

Okay, this last post is so poetic, so perfectly rhythmic that I'm forced to conclude, as someone else has already, that gotalife is no true troll, but rather some Barnard grad student's thesis project.

"I see I touched a nerve / and I am in your head.
You are wrong as usual / and stop humping my leg."

Very well done, though I think it would flow more smoothly if you removed the "and" in the second line. But of course you'd lose the repetition. Kudos for the assonance.

Sap.

Dathetic.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Oops!

Obama:
"You have a real choice in this election. Either Democrat would be better than John McCain," Obama said in Reading, Pa. "And all three of us would be better than George Bush."

Um.... I thought we were saying that McCain is another Bush. I thought we were running against McCain, not Bush. I didn't think we wanted to paint McCain as better than Bush. This really is a new kind of politics.

The numbers are now out. Comparing Obama/McCain and Clinton/McCain, Clinton has a bigger lead in the electoral numbers to win the general election.

The polls are showing that Obama cannot take the states needed to win the general and McCain overtakes him and comes close to winning. However comparing Hillary with McCain, it shows it will be harder for McCain to win.

The latest polls also show Obama falling further behind McCain in Va., the state he kept claiming he could win in the general election. He will not take Va., I assure you.

McCain loses Ohio to Hillary. Even Karl Rove is now admitting that Hillary is the stronger candidate because of the states she can carry, Fla, Ohio, etc.

Hillary wins, Obama loses. PERIOD>

That's why she should get the nomination.

Rae

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Too bad Democratic primary voters and caucus voters say otherwise. But hey, go ahead and coronate her and watch as 30% of the base stays home on election day.

Good luck with that.

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He also has $51 million dollars on hand.

Despite the dirt, he's raised money like crazy in April.

No loser raises that kind of money.

Hillary-Joe is broke and in debt.

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At least 30%. I'm having trouble imagining voting for her at this point.

And I have never missed a vote.

But hell, Hillary-Joe claims she doesn't need me - I'm an activist and she doesn't like us.

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Folks... just a bit of advice: don't let the likes of gotalife drag you out for a street brawl. This is a non-issue and there are already over 150 posts! You're above that. Whatever the trolls, and troll-like creatures have in mind, as long as you engage with it, they win. Ignore, move on, and do something constructive like making calls for your candidate, or sending 'em another $25 bucks.

And, don't be angry. It's just a job, and gotalife's gottafeedthekids just like everyone else.

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Ok fine - I have no problem with any of that except this part:

This is a non-issue and there are already over 150 posts!

The 150 posts belies the first part of that sentence. And what is wrong with 150 posts? That's a nice healthy comment thread.

Altho I totally agree about the threadlice being threadlice.

What an ugly (racial) double standard. Barack has to renounce, reject, denounce, explain, apologize for everyone he knows.

Does Hillary have any splainin of rejecting or denouncing to do?

For starters:

http://digg.com/politics/Senator_Hillary_Clinton_Must_Explain_The_Praising_of_KKK_Grp

http://blackcommentator.com/274/274_clinton_udc.html

(maybe this has been posted - I saw it as a comment on HuffPo).

I meant to add that not only is hillary exempt from explaining not only acquaintances, but actual close ties to some really shady and controversial people.
McCain not only doesn't have to explain - it's pretty much ignored and/or excused by the msm.

It's just the black guy that has to answer a Russert question about Harry Belafonte, whom Obama may not even know.

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