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McCain Campaign: Associating Obama With Terrorists Is Fair Game

The McCain camp has just blasted out a statement saying that Obama's alleged "endorsement" by Hamas will "definitely be an issue in the election," an indication that McCain intends to honor his promise of a "civil" campaign more in the breach than in the observance.

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers called the supposed endorsement by Hamas, something that McCain hit Obama for earlier today, "a legitimate issue for the American people to think about," on the basis of Obama's call for negotiations with Iran.

Rogers added: "It is not only responsible to raise these critical issues in this election, but it would be the height of irresponsibility not to have this discussion with the American people."

Today's commotion was sparked by McCain's active defense of their fundraising e-mail warning that Hamas wants Obama to win the election, during a conference call today with conservative bloggers.

McCain also used the conference call to go after Obama for his past association with former Weatherman and current University of Illinois professor Bill Ayers. "Not only repudiation," McCain said, "but an apology for ever having anything to do with an unrepentant terrorist is due to the American people."

McCain's remarks prompted a response from Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan: "We want to take Senator McCain at his word that he wants to run a respectful campaign, but that is becoming increasingly difficult when he continually tries to use the politics of association and makes claims he knows not to be true to advance his campaign."


Comments (163)

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

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My dear idiotic,
I really hope you keep this up throughout the general, no matter who the nominee is. And it would be greater still if two years from now, Senator Obama is President Obama and you are still sticking to your guns.

Hamas has endorsed BHO. Nuff' said.

And Hitler would have endorsed any Bush, i.e. Prescott, who helped him during his reign. What crap, like Obama can control what "Hamas" says.

FAIR GAME IS A GAME UNFAIR?

Terrorists, like fainting women at Barry's rallies, have a right to show their effection before they hit the ground.


VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE
NOT YOUR GUILTY CONSCIENCE

So you are an offial spokesperson for Hilter? Interesting. What's he been up to these days?

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Hamas can support whoever they wish, since when do we as Americans let outsiders dictate who is president? And really if you want to talk about support, I am positive Osama bin Laden clearly supports John McCain, since they both agree the fight against alQaeda is in Iraq. No need to go after bin Laden says McCain, who supports bush on this all the way. These are the only issues that republicans have to talk about since they have led the U.S. straight into the toilet with their stupidity and ideology.

I'm not saying he courted their endorsement silly boy. The point about Hamas endorsing Waffles is that they like the way he conducts his business. That's what is scary about it.

McCain and Bin Laden have the same vision for America:

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/04/john-mccain-gra.html

No one can say that quite the way you can. It just doesn't have the same punch when your name isn't at the bottom. :)

This is excellent news for the Democratic Party. It's just this sort of garbage that pisses off ALL Democrats--Clintonistas and Obamabots alike. McCain will unify us like we've never been unified before. Nothing tends to circle the wagons like an attack from an outside enemy. And McCain IS the enemy.

You know what else is fair game? Your associations with known pedophiles. And with lots of blondes of a certain tender age.

Obama won't go there.

but I will.

Atta girl!

Here's the bottom line: If you don't want to be associated with terrorists, don't associate with terrorists.


He didn't you uninformed lackey. Hamas just said they would like him to be President as he can at least have a conversation, unlike GW who just blows hot air. And, I think Jimmy Carter did a good thing. If you don't communicate with people, you never resolve a damn thing.

McCain clearly does not want to run against the kind of
campaign Obama is running. It is the ugliest I've seen in my lifetime.

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In the last two presidential campaigns, the Democratic candidate has been "Roved" which involves telling a big lie over and over until people start believing there must be some truth behind that lie. An example being that John (purple hearts) Kerry was not nearly the VietNam "War Hero" as George (draft dodger, drug user)Bush was.

The Clinton campaign has adopted this same tactic.

It seems that Obama has tried to rise above this and his campaign's "attacks" on Clinton involve the truth - her repeatedly lying about being under fire in Bosnia, or Obama being a Muslim, attending a Muslim school as examples.

The other telling thing is that Clinton has many lobbyists working for her campaign and is indebted to corporations for their donations and as a result, will continue the Bush strategy of looking out for those corporations.

Obama's campaign is indebted to a lot of small donors and as a result, those small donors will at least have a chance to have a representative in the White House.

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Exactly. Rovian tactics are related to, if not derived from those of large corporations. For well over one hundred years, We the People have been prodded and goaded into submission by the lies and half-truths of large companies who depend on and therefore justify manipulating our perceptions.

There is very little difference, in that both political and corporate competition seem to rely on skirting facts and inventing truths in order to gain a competitive advantage. The irony is that these tactics always come home to roost--and, in turn, more lies are told, compounding the consequences.

I find no small irony to consider that the American flag very closely resembles one belonging to the East India Trading Company.

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Isn't Arey a terrorist? I mean he did build bombs. Wasn't his girlfriend killed building a bomb as well? Why were the charges dropped against him?

independentmeans, look up Ayers and Dohrn. Oh if you were only 1/2 the uninformed lackey that I am...

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That claim and line of attack is so profoundly dumb on so many levels.

But by all means, please do keep it up :) If there's one thing America will care about at the voting booth, it's that the McCain campaign and its GOP surrogates are claiming his opponent has received the blessing of Hamas.

Here's what Obama should say in response:

"John McCain is an authentic war hero, he spent 5 and a half long years getting tortured in a Hanoi Hilton for this fine country of ours - a bravery that most of us, including me, can't even begin to fathom. That is why it comes as an absolute shock to me and my campaign that a man with bravery in spades is so scared to debate me on substantive issues, he's now resorted to clumsily linking me to terrorist organizations. Senator McCain, we both know that you have more heart than that - join with me in treating the american people to a clean presidential race."

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Very nice! I hope they have staffers reading the blogs, because we can be a pretty sharp bunch.

what makes you think mccain is " an authentic war hero"?, because the media has created him ?
take a look at this

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04192008.html

and there is much more to learn, if you have an open mind.

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I agree that the whole "war hero" thing is at least a bit puffed up, but the fact is that most low-information voters (and a good number of those who follow politics relatively closely) see him that way. If you read "Positioning: The Battle For Your Mind" by Al Ries and Jack Trout, they point out that once a person has decided on the "position" of a thing or person (usually a consumer good, but politicians are similar enough), it is very difficult to change that. It can be done, but it takes time and subtlety.

So by saying "I know McCain is a war hero, which is why his actions are so surprising," you're actually providing a criticism of McCain in such a way that it fits in with the audience's preconceived ideas about McCain. You're not asking them to do the mental labor of challenging their deep-seated assumptions about him, and are instead using those assumptions as a launching point for legitimate criticism.

If you want to challenge the "war hero" position, it's got to be done slowly and gradually. Personally, I doubt there's time to do it before November, but I guess anything is possible.

gives him too much credit...I'd go for the subtle insult--

"Hamas leaders understand how their statements will be used in our political process.

Fearful people can be manipulated to vote based on what other people around the world say, but I believe Americans are a stronger people and we can these decisions for ourselves."

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I'm way behind on my opp research on McCain. I'd implore you to write up these juicy tid-bits to catch up the rest of us slackers.

Could be worse, a woman with the name Hussein.

GO THERE NOW LULU! I WANNA HEAR IT!

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It seems to be fair game to put Barack through the wringer for "associating" with Wright or others. Whatever happened to Vicki Iseman? Where did she go? Why isn't anybody talking to her?

Ouch.

"Hillary was up first on the Fox morning news show after Pennsylvania. The guy led with the statement, “You know, Senator, if the Democratic Party had the same delegate rules as the Republicans, you would have been the nominee a long time ago.”

We finally got to hear a genuine, warm laugh from her. Her comeback was great:

“Yeah, well, if the Republicans had our rules McCain would still be fighting it out with Romney and Huckabee.”

So let's all become fucking Republicans!
Open your eyes, retard.

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Yep! All of the ten delegates she picked up, but trailing by 161. Got it!

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Which one is she in this equation? Huckabee stuck around the longest, but didn't Romney get the second most delegates?

good point-- she seems the most like romney to me.

You mean a genuine, warm cackle.

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After watching Colin Firth last night I reckon Obama and McCain should go back on Jon Stewart and talk about having their dicks photographed. Then we can all start from scratch.

This continues to be the dumbest Hillary talking point in the world. She has fewer votes, but the system is screwed because she didn't already win by a prohibitive margin. Listen to yourself when you repeat this. If my candidate said that, I would naturally reject it. The ends don't justify the means.

How is that a zing on Obama? She's the loser that's been hanging onto the rim of the toilet for months now. She just hates the system because she's losing. With a former President as a spouse, you'd think she'd have a better grasp on the primary system. Ready to lead on Day One, eh?

I think he actually said “You know, Senator, if the Democratic Party had the same voters as the Republicans, you would have been the nominee a long time ago.”

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Winner-take-all systems are less democratic than proportional representation systems. So it's no wonder Republicans like the former.

Furthermore, if we're going there - what is with that wife? When is the last time her face moved? I haven't seen it move once in many years.

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She lobotomized herself with all that paint thinner she sniffed.

I don't know, she looks like a zonked out Stepford wife. Except that (despite her obvious attempts with surgery) Stepford wives never actually looked old.

Aftereffects of a stroke in 2004.

So much for the "informed" readership of TPM on the candidates, their immediate families, and their history.

But then it's so fun and cute to pick on the appearance of candidates' wives and children, as Rush Limbaugh and his friends know. You've got a good start with your pals Silver Heron and MetryJen here, go for it, be as disgusting and gutter level as you wanna be.

Stroke from extensive prescriptive drug abuse!!

Tena: You know about her RX drug abuse over the years........her violation of federal drug laws, and her slap on the wrist for that one. The McCain's have an AE Centurion card, you have to spend over $250k a year to get that card. That covers a lot of botox! :)

They need to get Dean's DNC fundraising up and running. This is going to be a nasty campaign, sure, but it's almost so over the top that I find it hard to believe it will be effective.

I fear Obama may fall victim to the same problem that plagued Kerry. Kerry wanted it both ways. He thought he could be both the war protestor and the warrior and wound up without any credibility.

Hillary has taken her stand. She's going to McCain's right on foreign policy. We won't have enough nukes in our arsenal to cover all the nations (and people) she'd be ready to obliterate by November.

Obama, I sure do wish you had the audacity to campaign for a major change in foreign policy however radical they would paint you. Because they're going to paint you as a terrorist radical anyway. They did it to the veteran Kerry and they'll do it to you.

Obama is not Kerry.

Kerry came from a totally different background - one of privilege going all the way back. He did the right things with his life, but even though he bucked his class and his place in the military by turning against the war and got a lot of shit for it, he still is a white east coast elite prep school through Ivy league player.

Obama has had a slightly tougher road to get where he is.

He is a lot tougher than he is getting credit for just because he's a gentleman.


McCain: "Having a civil discourse is not calling Obama a ni66a."
Fuck you, Walnuts.

McCain is just like Hillary, just without the testicles.

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Fuck you, McCain.

Same old politics. Same old shit.

Run Obama and this will be the general every day.

Run Hillary and it will be Bill's penis and Vince Foster - I'll take Obama.

Oh, yeah. that'll stop him.

Take your fucking meds.

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If this is all they've got, I say the general will be a cake walk.

Is it me or are Republicans afraid of their shadows or what? Bunch of chickenhawks...

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Yep, the Repubs are little pissypants. What's really mindboggling though is that some of our little Hillbot trolls are afraid of these same Repubs! "If Obama wins, the GOP will call us names! Don't you think that would be awful?!?"

gotaLIE dont you ever sleep?

Seems everyone likes Obama. Springsteen. Hamas. I'm still waiting for the election eve headline "OSAMA ENDORSES OBAMA".

I really do have to admire the unmitigated gall of Hari Sevugan (weird names those Obama folk have), who accuses McCain of making claims he knows not to be true, when Obama has already set the bar for shit-faced lying way higher than poor old John McCain could ever hope to reach. Lying is, after all, a young man's game.

Wow. That's original. Like a bootlegged logo.

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Too late, Osama endorsed McCain and the Republican Party a long time ago.

Troll, troll...........take a stroll.

Troll, troll...........take a stroll.

McCain has no integrity. He's politics are as slimy as anyone else's. What a hypocrite this guy is turning out to be.

Oh, c'mon, he's not as slimey as Obama, is he? You sweet talker you!

McCain is a 1,000 year old mummy with no understanding of domestic policy and the wrong understanding of foreign policy. When the Dems finally turn their focus on him, he's going to blow apart in front of the nation's eyes. Just like his party.

Obamabot banter: "Boy, do I hate Hillary. She's a bitch. Wow, who are these moron scumbags that support her. Boy, do I hate Hillary. Wow, that McCain is a 1000 years old and slimey too. Boy, do I hate Hillary. Screw all these creeps that don't support Obama."

Ah, the politics of hope! It's so beautiful it brings tears to my eyes. What a great day it will surely be when Obama supporters take power in the land. Oh for joy!

Have you been lobotomized?

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No, he's far worse than Bush. He not only doesn't know anything, but he's surround himself with morons. And if you don't know who the morons are ....

Bigot.

If McCain's campaign keeps this stuff up, he will be crushed in the general election like an empty can of discount beer.

This follows his abandonment of a principled opposition to torture, by a man who ought to know what torture is.

This follows his embrace of Bush and Cheney after the sliming of he and his family by them during the last election, just to be able run for president. He sold his soul in both cases in exchange for ambition.

This follows his promise that this campaign would be different. Because he was different.

Well, he's not.

He's too old, and I believe now that he's unfit to serve on moral grounds.

He and the knuckle-draggers around him, think that they can win by painting Obama as a terrorist or a sympathizer with terrorists, or as a neophyte or as whatever other negative sterotype -- angry black man? someone who wants to enslave the white race? -- that their pinhead minds can come up with. He's none of these, and they know it. And because they know it and do it anyway, that makes McCain a liar and dishonors his father and grandfather's patriotic service, and his own.

Shame will be his legacy. He's turning into a joke.

And then the borderline psychos that are now flooding these boards with as agent provacateurs start showing up. Coincidence? Probably not. Some are mentally ill and feel they've been given a permission slip to let their little secret Gollum selves slip out to play. Some are probably paid agents of one of the other campaigns, simply sent to stir up trouble and divert us from bigger issues.

I just don't think the GOP's worst is all that bad any more. Oh, sure, they can be nasty, but what more can they do to us than they've already done? They've already ruined the country. Fuck 'em.

Send in the clowns. We have seen this act before.

McCain is turning into a giant disappointment and caricature of a man who sold his honor and now only attracts those who, likewise, have none.

It's really sad. I used to like him. But he's pissed it all away. For nothing.

Excellent post, right on the mark!

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Cindy McCain had a stroke in 2004 and still suffers with some memory and writing issues so tooling on her face isn't the coolest move (even if she's had work)

However, she was a pill-popper in the early 90s and stole drugs from her own charity, so there's always that...

I beg to differ, there is nothing uncivil about pointing out character, words, actions, and associations. These are very pertinent and legit topics of discussion as they go to the heart of defining the candidate. Uncivil is to whine and cry about inconvenient quesitons and lobbing accusations and insults of racism and all.

Matthew
http://www.TheIndependentView.com

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Sure there is. It's called LYING and INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY. Unless those two things don't mean anything to you. McCain's a liar and being intellectually dishonest here. Arguing otherwise just underscores how intellectually dishonest you are.

Um, where were you when Obama flat-out lied his little tush off about what McCain said about being in Iraq for 100 years? Remember? McCain said it would be ok to be there for 100 years as a presence, like in Germany and Korea, after the fighting stopped. And Obama-baby runs right out and starts telling everyone that McCain said he wants to continue the fighting for 100 years.

You've got to admit, that's a pretty darn good lie. And all McCain did was to point out a fact, which is that Hamas wants Obama to win. What the f*** is a lie about that? It's T-R-U-E.

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Ok, well then Osama Bin Laden has endorsed McCain and the Republican Party.

They both want the same thing, to continue the war in Iraq. Osama for McCain.

On a serious note, who gives a shit what Hamas or Osama want. I'm a little more interested in what the American public wants. Apparently Republicans are little insecure that if they present their tax cuts for the Rich, war for the Rest platform straight up, they'll lose power. Bunch of pansies.

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McCain's statement was completely incoherent. there is no sensible way of parsing it. if iraq is peaceful then why would we need to be there? what is the goal in our presence there? i don't know if you heard mccain's strained explanations but to hear him say it the goal is for no US soldiers to be getting killed in iraq. and so i guess its ok for US soldiers to keep dying in iraq to try and meet that goal of...not having US soldiers dying in iraq.

if obama were making incoherent statements about iraq and either deceitful or frightfully ignorant statements regarding (sunni) al-qaeda members training in (shi'ite) iran, it would be the end of his campaign. what do you want him to do when confronted with such statements from the McCain camp?

do incoherency or deceit deserve respectful silence? the press corps certainly seem to think so. i somehow don't think the Democratic nominee should feel similarly restrained.

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Hamas wants Obama to win. What the f*** is a lie about that? It's T-R-U-E.

Don't you think Hamas (or al Qaeda, or any of those groups) knows that their "endorsement" would be the kiss of death for whichever candidate they mentioned?

Why is it that people like you seem to think these groups are evil geniuses, but when it comes to manipulating elections you apparently believe they lack even an eight-year-old's understanding of human psychology?

You're clearly an idiot. Go back to your bridge, troll.

What's the lie?

Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com

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Matthew this is what you and your Republican friends have done to our troops, please pass this on to your other Republican friends.
Look if you can bare the truth:

http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1111

It's not legitimate to point out associations that don't exist. Obama has never associated himself with Hamas to asked for their endorsement.

The unsolicited feelings of Hamas have zero to do with Barack Obama, and they are not a legitimate topic. It's not whining to point out with your opponents are gutless lying slimeballs with no decency and no integrity.

You have lost Matthew. It's over. You've lost. There is no more. You're fighting a battle that doesn't exist. Everyone knows it but you and Clinton.

Congrats on the babies.

Oh, teacher, can I ask a question, can I? Is it okay if McCain wants us to ask ourselves WHY Hamas supports Obama? Is it? Is it?

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Why does Osama want McCain?

same reason they wanted bush in '04. remember the spanish intercepts saying bush's reelection would be great for al qaeda-- to pray for a bush victory? funny how fast that disappeared from the news pages after it was first reported.

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the one most peculiar aspect common to the wingnut mentality is an inability to grasp the political analogy to 'mutually assured destruction'.

this HAMAS ENDORSES OBAMA line is an example; perhaps we should ask WHY any given morally repugnant person, group or entity endorses the Republican party. you know, neo-nazi groups, the Klan, or say even the international terrorists who have trained against the best military on earth in Iraq and exported their skills, thanks to WHICH party?

another good example is illegal warrantless surveillance and data mining conducted by the federal government in secret, in collaboration with the private data carriers.

wingnuts have a congenital failure to ask themselves a question, namely: are you as happy with a President Clinton or Obama spying on you illegally to 'keep you safe' as you are with a President Bush or McCain?

either that or they are not weak-brained and intend merely to adopt the shrill, deceitful and yet too-often effective tactic of loudly denunciating the very same surveillance initiatives when the baton is passed across the aisle.

won't that be a hoot.

Says the person who's the loudest whiner whenever Obama hits Clinton on her actual words.

Matthew: You repeat over and over. One cannot help but conclude that you have a race issue. So sad, maybe in the next life you will come back as a black person. That would be poetic justice.

I agree! You are onto something with this guilt by association! How innovative and highminded as a form of argument!

I won't list all the Clinton confidantes and supporters in jail (or the Rodhams' role in the Rich pardon), but it's such a great way to junk up political discussion.

Isn't it great that the Clintons are literally keeping a list of people who weren't with them? That's truly worthy of Richard Nixon and Joe McCarthy, but you know, it helps with playing these guilt by association games.

Just think what vengeance they could actually unleash if instead of confining their listmaking to fellow _Democrats_, they actually got their beloved power back and could train it on other domestic enemies. . .

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Off Topic, but Kos has a GREAT find on Clinton's bullshit posturing on Florida and Michigan.

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/25/165935/668/909/503541

The irony is just delicious.....

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Obama's response should be:

"Well I could care less what Hamas thinks. My foreign policy is based on what is best for the American people, not based on what Hamas or Al Qaeda or any of these other groups think.

And I have to say, I hear Republicans saying things like "if we pull out of Iraq then Al Qaeda will be dancing in the streets". But we can't base our foreign policy on wether it makes some of our enemies happy or not. That's the type of emotion-based policy making that led to the disastrous war in Iraq in the first place. You know, in my 2002 speech I said that I was against going to war with Iraq because it was based on passion and not on reason. And history has shown that going to war in Iraq was one of the worst foreign policy mistakes in the nation's history.

So this is my pledge to the American people: I will rely on sound intelligence, sound analysis, and sound judgement to do what is in our country's best interests. And I will not let our nation's policies be swayed by the passions of the moment or by the ideological thinking that got us into trouble in Iraq in the first place."

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Mister Obama....Welcome to the NFL.

Lotta lotta trolls today. Attack of the Wingnuts.

Come on.

No one has done more for John McCain than Barack Obama.

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Ayers is NOT a terrorist. He was pardoned of any wrongdoing by Bill Clinton, and he is a distinguished and well-respected Law professor at U of Chicago. What about Rev Hagee, who yet again this week said that God brought about Katrina to "punish New Orleans for a gay pride parade scheduled for the next day"?

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You are conflating Ayers with two other members of Weather Underground. Ayers was never convicted of any crime. Bill Clinton pardoned, one, and commuted the sentence of the other, for murdering someone in New York.

As for McCain, he's just trying to distract attention from Osama's endorsement of him and the Republican Party.