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Hillary Airs New Ad In Pennsylvania Hitting Obama's "Small-Town" Comments

Hillary chief strategist Geoffrey Garin told us in an interview over the weekend that Obama's "small town" comments were fair game for use in a political ad, and Hillary has now gone up with a new spot in Pennsylvania doing just that....

The ad features ordinary Pennsylvania residents expressing their displeasure with Obama's comments, with one saying she's "very insulted" by them, and another castigating Obama as "out of touch."

The ad also hits the religion button pretty hard, with the narrator stressing that word when reading Obama's original quote. The ad also includes this from a Pennsylvanian:

"I'm not clinging to my faith out of frustration and bitterness. I find that my faith is very uplifting."

Full script after the jump.

HRC: I'm Hillary Clinton and I approve this message.

Anncr: Barack Obama said that people in small towns "cling to guns or religion...as a way to explain their frustrations..."

Woman 1: I was very insulted by Barack Obama.

Man 1: It just shows how out of touch Barack Obama is.

Woman 2: I'm not clinging to my faith out of frustration and

bitterness. I find that my faith is very uplifting.

Man 2: The good people of Pennsylvania deserve a lot better than what Barack Obama said.

Woman 1: Hillary does understand the citizens of Pennsylvania better.

Woman 3: Hillary Clinton has been fighting for people like us her whole life.


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She is pushing way to hard on this issue and its going to cost her.

No kidding. People are sick and tired of the politics of destruction. That's all ya hear these days from the whiskey drinkin' Hill-ster.

I just threw up all over my keyboard.

I just threw up all over wwjb's keyboard.

Maybe she can "borrow" another couple million bucks from foreign governments that torture and kill labor organizers to actually, you know, get this on the air.

That'll show them thar elites!

She has gone from Richard Nixon in a pantsuit to George Wallace in a pantsuit.

Well played Senator Clinton, well played.

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Now it is racist to criticize Obama at all? George Wallace, really?

I think she's trying to channel John Wayne.

The Obama Post and bittergate brought down Obama.

He should drop out, give the millions he raised to Clinton to crush mcwar in the general.

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Obama Post? What are you babbling about?

And Obama's as likely to do that as the Red Sox are to give up last year's title to the Rockies because people might like purple. Please. Stop. It's not going to happen. Deal.

It's a little circuitous but gotalife is very BITTER about Huffington Post. She's there all the time snottering the same stuff she snotters here, but mostly she's BITTER because she thinks Huffington Post has sold out to Obama. Hence Obama Post. She's a wit that gotalife, even if she is BITTER. But since Huffington Post "broke" (or more accurately created) the story about the Obama comments in SF, well, you get the rest.

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I think you're right about one thing: Obama will crush McCain in the general.

**Are you and Hill drinking the same whiskey? She's going down.

He should also:

1. Apologize for ever running against her.
2. Bake her cookies and make her tea.
3. Loan $5,000,000 to her campaign.
4. Shave his head and sell the hair on eBay to raise funds to buy her a shiny new Mossberg, so she can once again enjoy some quality time in the duck blind.
5. Craft custom shot glasses out of his daughters' heads for Hilary to use during her regular sojourns to local bars.
6. Offer his services as a human sniper shield.
7. Travel back in time to hold five or six meetings to promote NAFTA to make her meetings seem less important.
8. Wipe his backside with the American flag on Jay Leno to drum up support for a flag-burning amendment.
9. Read into the Senate record his claim that Amy Poehler is very, very funny.
10. Apologize in advance for causing her humiliating loss to John McCain.

What you lack in intellect, sir, you make up for with tenacity. I salute you!

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But what about all the voters in big cities in PA?

In any event, this is Roger Simon's take on Hillary, Obama, elitism, and presidential politics:

But Clinton’s statement was not as important as her downing that shot of whiskey.

Presidential campaigning is about image making, and there is no better image than being a man (or woman) of the people.

Who is actually less elitist or more in touch with average Americans makes little difference.

Isn't this just something? What matters isn't reality, but the image of that reality. Roger Simon helps to shape the political discussion. No wonder we've been subjected to 3 days of bittergate.

I also tend to think Clinton is overdoing this. It's a week before the primary, the debate is coming up, and Obama, with his warchest of money, will be able to put out more ads...While Clinton can keep talking about bittergate and clinging to stuff. And, the 3 AM phone call.

But she better not down that whiskey before that 3 AM call. If Obama were the typical sleazy, no-holds barred politician, he'd put out an ad featuring Hillary slamming down the Crown Royal, and immediately switch to the phone ringing in the White House...that who you want answering that phone?

But he won't make an ad like that, I suspect.

John McCain certainly will.

Boring and not hard hitting but the "cling to" remarks are not going away. Obama's Frisco comments show the man/candidate for who he is.

In addition to his Frisco remarks, add the Reverend Wright's 20 years of sermons, Mrs. Obama's recently proud to be an American, and Obama's "punished with a baby" comment and you have a general election problem. It's the electoral college that counts and Obama can't win the states DEMS need to win in November.

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Wrong. Obama is leading Hillary in most state polls versus McCain. She'd be toast in November with her lies about sniper fire.

Ignorant comments like that don't even justify a response.

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Then why are you feeding the troll?

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Only people who are ignorant use the term 'Frisco'. Thought I would give you a clue.

funny - in the latest tracking, Michigan is still so outraged that they are giving Obama a lead.

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Obama is a commie. Hardy-har-har. Such an original put-down of someone on the left from such a smart person on the right. You so clever.

I have, in the course of two months, developed an almost unhealthy revulsion toward this woman. Back in early Feb I thought would grudgingly vote for her if she were the D nominee. Now I shock myself by screaming SHUT THE F**K UP YOU F***ING ****! whenever I see her on the teevee. Must ignore, for the sake of my sanity.

Heh. I started out as a Clinton supporter. I thought she'd be the best President to clean up after Bush's mess, since she'd arrive with a ready made cabinet of experienced pols.

A started to switch after Obama said in a speech that he would restore the constitution and revere it and close G't'mo. End rendition. End torture. I thought, this guy "gets it".

But I was just a mildly supportive supporter. Then Hillary decided that John McCain was better suited to lead than Obama, and I threw up in my mouth, called her office and yelled at her lackey, then began my slow inexorable descent into full blow disgust at her and will vomit daily if she manages to slime her way to the nomination.

I assume one of the asterisk'd words in your rant there was probably sexist. Try to be civil

No, the asterisks can be used for any four letter word. And btw, asterisks ARE civil. Ask anyone at the national asterisk foundation.

As a former member of the Board of Trustees at the National Asterisk Foundation, I can confirm with absolute certainty that asterisks are, in fact, absolute civil. The only exception is when they are thrown like shuriken, in which case they go from civil to deadly.

Typical Clintonista.
Crying sexism or mysogynism any time anyone unloads on Hillary with justifiable outrage is laughable.
Taylor Marsh talking points are so tiresome.

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The point is to have civil conversation, not toss around "typical [candidate]bot" insults or expletives.

Those comments seem so natural and off the cuff. The citizen on the street format is an indication of how genuine these words are. I think Hillary might think of using "It shows he's out of touch" and "Hillary Clinton has been fighting for people like us her whole life" for the wider campaign.

Is this intended sincerely or in irony? I am afraid that it is not quite clear to me as you have written it.

Are you smiling or is that a smug smirk. It's hard to tell the way it looks.

Dear Dr Pettit,

I gather from Fogu's snarling response to my post, that I left the impression that I was being snide. I would simply like to take a moment to make clear that I am not being snide (at least not intentionally). I really am not clear as to whether you were sincerely commenting on the believability of the ad, or whether you were being sarcastic. If you feel like clarifying, I would be obliged. On the other hand, if that would just ruin the joke, please ignore my query.

Greg,
Joe, not Dr., will do just fine (my wife is a real Dr. in an ER, I just fail students for plagiarizing). Sorry, I should have put one more word at the end of my post, "NOT!"

So yes, indeed, snarkification was my intent.

The whole thing was totally scripted. It's so obvious it's pathetic.

Take a look at the people in the video.

Do you see any smiling happy faces in the entire bunch of them. If this is how they look when they are happy, what the hell must they look like when they are feeling bitter.

Did you ever see such a cluster of morose looking people in your entire lives. Where did the Clinton Camp find them, at a funeral home!

Just looking at their woebegone expressions makes me feel depressed and bitter.

Time for a little pick me up. Tar Bender, set them up again; Crown Royal Shots for all us non elite types.

Burb.......Hic.........Whergiz ma gun. My pa taugh me how to fire it, back in the 1950s. He wazh the besht, the besht republican dad in the whole 1950s whooorld, whoorld, I said whoorld, when all dads were republican dads, were femin femin feminshits that thought their little daugh daught daug TERs to shoots.

Dash is right, Burb......scuse me.....hic........

I love crown roy roy royal, do you hear me....

Zzzzzzzzzzz.

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Nice. Let's insult these folks some more.

I don't know that these "actors" are small town Pennsylvanians. They could from central casting.

Defintely from Central Casting. And the people camp Clinton picked really show you what they think small town folks are/look like. Hey you can believe we're from small town because we're totally dull.


I think the comment is fair game but couldn't Hillary have found more convincing actors?

These actors is all they could afford, remember Clinton is not an elite. Anyway, Penn still has to be paid, including the lost wages from Columbia.

If they really are "ordinary Pennsylvanians", they're the fakest ordinary Pennsylvanians I've ever seen. They have to be reading some of that stuff from a script. Nobody makes off-the-cuff remarks like that. Maybe they're ordinary Hillary volunteers.

Obama gave her a club to beat him silly with and she still can't pull it off.

I give it thumbs down.

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I think this is the best that Hillary could do, to scare up some supporters and give them their lines. Cheap of her, yes, on many levels, but quite necessary in view of the fact that even Fox News couldn't find Pennsylvanians who were willing to agree with Hillary's spin on Obama.
http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/12/are-people-bitter-in-pennsylvania/

They don't seem like actors to me, but what really impressed me was the Clinton campaign's ability to find all those people whose everyday speech sounds exactly like Hillary's talking points.

It's not too hard. You can find that on any blog.

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The ad features ordinary Pennsylvania residents

Do we have names for these ordinary Pennsylvania residents? I'd be curious to know just how neutral they were.

as for
"Hillary Clinton has been fighting for people like us her whole life"

This is actually one of the biggest turn-offs of her campaign. I look at her middling, accomodationist, broderist Liebermanism in the Senate and wonder how anyone can not gag when she claims to have been "fighting" for anyone or anything, except her own ambition, much less "people like us". Without even taking into account her corporate lawyering and Walmart work that defined her pre-White House career (yeah, I know, Children's Defense Fund... have the Edelmans started speaking to her again?)

Yes. Unless I've missed it, I don't think there's been a serious discussion anywhere in the media of what she's really DONE for the working/middle class in 35 years. Why do so many just give her a pass on this issue? And as for the experience crap, altogether she has spent LESS time in ELECTED offices than Obama has. Ducking from bullets, killing mallard ducks and having tea in Northern Ireland are not the same as making decisions as an elected office holder.

Because, silly! Hillary is tough, a fighter, vetted, a policy expert, experienced and a populist. Just don't ask anyone to justify any of these assertions.

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I got the same feeling when I saw that couple in the ad speak.

I'm thinking, yeah, so what has she actually done for you in this fighting of fighting for you? Well, what, exactly?

You have to be an incredible simple-minded person to take his comments offensively, and as has been the case time and time again; when Hillary sees something she can exploit to gain simple-minded votes; she will take it. It's disgusting.

This ad angered me and sealed the deal; I will never vote for Hillary Clinton for anything. Ever. Period. If it's her instead of McCain.. great, I'm leaving and you dumb asses can get the president you deserve.

Can we call her a b*tch yet?

No, but you can start calling her the Democratic nominee.

Can we call her a b*tch yet?


No, but you can start calling her the Democratic nominee.


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THAT is a knee-slapper.

you know calling shrillay the nominee reminds me of a Kathy Griffin bit when she was making fun of Lindsey Lohan who thought she was DJing a party *wink* *wink* with headset on and all. Meanwhile there was a band playing or something.

Lindsey last to get the memo.

I'm waiting for someone to cue when it's time to dump water on her so that she melts away.

or give a heads up for a tornado so a house can land on her.

much more satisfaction than simple name calling.

Yep, the problem Team Clinton did not see is that a bunch of their target folks do in fact know better. Yes, they may be down and out, not the brightest lights in the room, a bit removed shall we say, but they do not like to viewed as stupid nor are they.

Hilliary Annie fire on.....

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I wish I could say the same thing, however I gave up on Hillary entirely back in February, during the run-up to the SC primary.

I don't understand Hillary can't see that Obama is the last true hope for this nation and humanity. As a former supporter of hers, I can now say that I have seen the light and have drunk the kool-aide.

I will not question him. To support Obama is to have faith in his wisdom. To question him is reveal a weaknes in your own soul.

Truly he is the Messiah.

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The "I have drunk the kool-aide" is so 2007, dude. You need to come up with a more original insult for Obama supporters. Kool-aide comments are just stale.

That's just stupid.

The notion that we support Obama for reasons unknown even to us and that we are just mesmerized and duped by this guys is ridiculous.

We know exactly why we don't like Clinton though, and most of us used to have an endless well of support for the entire Clinton family and agenda.

I'm done being nice; Clinton supporters are fools. They are the ones being duped by this walking psychological mind-game playing senator with corruption and phoniness oozing out of her at all times. I feel sorry for you guys; this is no different than the Bush/Rove tactics we all claim to be so sick of.

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You are on the wrong thread - the Toll-athon is around the corner.

In probably one of the dumbest moves I have ever witnessed in politics, Obama refuses to apologize for insulting the voters.

Too late now, he is over.

Drop out Obama.

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First, he doesn't have to apologize. What he said was true, that politicians have let people down on economic issues.

Hillary and the GOP have distorted his remarks to make them sound like a criticism of distressed people. But he was talking about their concerns!

Anyway, Obama did apologize for saying things in an inartful manner.

It's stupid that politics requires people to check their brains in at the door. Anyone who uses a two-syllable word is told by people like gotalife (who doesn't have a life) that they are insulting.

If I had to venture a guess I'd say gotalife is BluePuppy and Matthew Weaver, judging by the idiot comments.

I guess we always have to have at least one person on here we can count on to spout Hillary's make believe reality.

dear goatfile

thank-you for your tireless commenting in support of Supreme Leader Hillary. the usual amount of goats will be deposited in your account.

clap calp point point

you may now resume your two minute hate

I really enjoy thinking of you sitting in front of a keyboard somewhere, wishing that Obama would drop out. Brings a nice, wide smile to my face.

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So let's see...distort what Obama said, then have a bunch of retarded looking actors repeat the GOP talking points. Nice way to trash our Democratic nominee, Hillary.

Count me as one of those vomiting on his keyboard.

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That's the absolute best John McCain ad I've ever seen. And McCain didn't even have to pay for it. He must be thrilled!

Ugh ...

I didn't think things had become too, too self-destructive before. But this is utterly, profoundly self-destructive. McCain must be giddy.

Love it. Great ad.

Obama is toast. Dukakis 2.0

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Wheat or Rye?

This ad seemed hopelessly contrived to my ears. If I were an undecided Pennsylvania voter (which I am not), I expect that this would move me slightly away from her, albeit only slightly. It certainly would do nothing, however, to make me inclined to vote for her.

And you do not understand the power of advertising or its methodolgies.

Obama has been checked and Clinton is about to checkmate him.

Can Pennsylvania, all by itself, really be a checkmate? After all, it is entirely possible to win the PA primary and still lose the nomination.

speaking of checks. I don't think Hillary has anymore to write....

they all seem to be bouncing or not sent at all.

dear 2ug-of

an excellent point in favor of Supreme Leader Clinton. non can refute a Chess analogy.

please continue your Queen-side attack on Barack's pawns.

clap clap point point


And you do not understand the power of advertising or its methodologies.

Obama has been checked and Clinton is about to checkmate him.

get the memo: hillary has no checks. her check-writing privileges were revoked long ago.

broke. kaput. over.

all she has left is insulting gore and kerry.

pathetic. cue the curtains.

wait. sorry. she needs to insult carter.

one more item left on her to do list.

Bingo.

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Obama could easily make an ad based on just that last couple's comment, "Hillary Clinton has been fighting for people like us her whole life" and continue on with something like "maybe they own a health insurance company" or "major stockholder in a pharmaceutical company" or "CEO of a credit card company" and so on...because that's who she has been "fighting for" ever since she's had to opportunity to have a say in anything. Maybe she does understand the people of PA; she just doesn't really care about what happens to them.

She really is asking for a smackdown, and Obama's got the ammo for it and more than enough money to make her wish she'd never brought it up.

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That is unbelievably stupid. Hillary was pilloried in the 1990's for fighting health insurance companies and trying to do something about universal health care.

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If by "fighting" you mean "crafting a health care plan that would insure them a place at the table" (i.e., insure that some private entity would be raking cash off the top of the taxes required to fund a national health plan) or if "fighting" means "being the biggest recipient of health insurance company largesse in the Senate", then you would be correct and my statement would in fact be dumb. But since no reasonable person would interpret "fighting against" something as "being its biggest protector and promoter", then I suggest the reverse must be true: you're not correct, and my statement isn't dumb.

wow you are woefully uninformed. Do you know ANYTHING about the Healthcare fight of 1993? Hillary was repeatedly attacked by the insurance companies and it was a lack of political courage from Democrats that led to the bills defeat. Please stop peddling revisionist falsehoods about Hillary supporting the insurance companies.

May 28, 1993 - Bill Gradison, the head of the Health Insurance Association of America (HIAA), writes a letter to the First Lady restating his support for universal coverage but complaining of three recent occasions in which Hillary has attacked the health insurance industry for "price-gouging, cost-shifting and unconscionable profiteering." Gradison is actually playing a double game. He wants to diminish public support for a Clinton plan that can adversely affect the industry but he also is eager to appear accommodating so that he will be able to make adjustments in the reform bill he believes will ultimately pass.

The HIAA begins running its powerful "Harry and Louise" television ads featuring the focus group phrase "They choose, we lose." It quickly becomes an American advertising classic. By moving early, aggressively, and publicly, HIAA has become a major player in the debate.

September 19, 1993 - Pat Moynihan, speaking on Meet the Press, dismisses the economic calculations in the Clinton plan -- which has not even been formally launched -- as "fantasy numbers." He also joins with Republican critics and strikes at the very heart of reform by saying there is "no health care crisis."
November 1, 1993 - Hillary Clinton launches a scathing attack against the insurance industry to counter the highly damaging "Harry and Louise" ads. She accuses the industry of greed and deliberately lying about the reform plan in order to protect its profits. She specifically denounces the ads' claim that the Clinton plan "limits choice." Rarely, if ever, has a First Lady publicly attacked any American industry or industry group -- and certainly never in such strong language and in such a furious manner. Her assault makes front-page newspaper stories, network TV news shows, and calls more attention to HIAA's role and message.

The success of HIAA ads give an immense boost to the organization's fund-raising. In the space of a few weeks, the budget for the campaign expands fivefold from $4 million to $20 million. In the end, HIAA raises and spends about $30 million more than its normal annual operating budget of $20 million -- a grand total of almost $50 million to the lobbying effort. The money HIAA accumulates for the fight pays not only for the Harry and Louise ads but also for a grassroots campaign that dwarfs anything the interest group has ever done. The effort produces more than four hundred fifty thousand contacts with Congress -- phone calls, visits, or letters -almost a thousand to every member of the House and Senate.

Yeah, a fair reading of that sounds like Hillary is really good friends with the insurance companies. Please get a clue.

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Get a clue?

Point out the part of the Clinton health plan that would have taken private insurers out of the equation.

Then go look up who the biggest recipient of health insurance company contributions in Congress is.

Then maybe you'll have a clue.

And where does Obama's plan take private insurers out of the equation? OH YEAH - IT DOESN'T!!!! Good God do you people have any intellectual honesty? Even a tiny shred? COME ON.

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Don't change the subject. All you Hillary shills want to pretend like she's some Our Lady of Universal Health Care, when she's never proposed any solution that would cut the insurers out of the loop. And given that she's the largest Congressional recipient of health care insurer contributions, you better believe that she won't be pushing anything that hasn't met with their approval.

I am not changing the subject. The subject is correcting your revisionist view of history which is healthcare reform failed because Hillary was too close to the insurance company which is to be frank the biggest bullshit argument I have ever heard. Don't be upset because you got called on it.

Secondly, you berate Hillary's plan for not creating truly government run health care, yet Obama's plan gets a complete pass regardless of the fact he has not even given an inkling of how his regulations will affect premiums or accessibility (other than blatant generalities - costs will go down!). Barack's plan doesn't even purport to try to cover everyone - adults will have the option to opt out of affordable health insurance at will and the problems of the uninsured will continued to be borne by those who are insured.

And since Hillary and Bill are the 109 million couple as has bee pointed out previously, the health industry contrbutions have had little impact on her healthcare proposal or her policies. Hillary has been consistent and clear on what her stance is on universal healthcare and I don't see her as someone who backs away from a fight.

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Are you retarded? I didn't say it failed because she was "too close" to insurance companies; I said she never even tried to remove them from the equation. Hillarycare was based on the premise that the health insurers would continue to provide the coverage (and that Americans would continue to pay 35% more for healthcare than the citizens of any other industrialized nation for the privilege of keeping them in business). This was her attempt at triangulating universal health care, and it failed miserably. Because deep-pocket health insurers don't want ANY restrictions on how they play the game. Which is why they shot down her half-assed plan - because she had already caved and showed her hand by leaving them in the mix in the first place.

As for being too close now, you bet your ass she is. I don't care how much personal wealth she has; the health industry has made an investment in her and if you think they won't extract a price for it you're a natural born fool.

And, yes, you WERE trying to change the subject, which was never about the merits of Our Lady's healthcare plan vs. Obama's - it was about how every healthcare plan she's ever put forward GUARANTEES that we will continue to pay a 35% premium over the ACTUAL cost of care to keep the insurance companies fat and happy. That's a plan? Give me a break.

Obama's plan is no better. But there was only ONE candidate in this race who proposed true universal coverage and cutting out the remoras sucking the system, and that was John Edwards. He's not in the race any longer. The plans of BOTH remaining candidates suck because they avoid the central reason that health care costs in this country are out of control, and frankly, we'd be better with NO plan at all than one that leaves the insurers free to continue reaching into our pockets. Because NO plan at all means the system that exists now will fail sooner rather than later, forcing it to be completely restructured. Any plan that doesn't cut them out of the loop just guarantees that we'll pay more and continue to play happy fun games with the insurers as to whether or not they'll deign to pay for the coverage we've paid them to cover.

So drop the act about Hillary's superiority on the issue of healthcare. It doesn't exist, and it never did. She's in the same business today that she was 15 years ago when she made sure to save a place at the table for the guys who were creating the crisis in the first place. Obama's plan being no better, or even marginally worse, doesn't get her off the hook for that, at least not amongst HONEST people.

Dijamo it truly does not matter one iota who was for her and who was against her. It doesn't matter that she tried to get this past with a Democratic majority. It doesn't matter that she tried to get it passed with insurance companies without insurance companies. The only thing that is relevant is that she FAILED!!! And she has yet to prove that she can get anything significant passed. Here's the thing about leadership. True leaders can make sound decisions in the midst of ambiguities (e.g. a vote for Iraq war OR NOT); true leaders can admit mistakes, learn from them and move forward (has she yet to admit her vote was wrong?!? - Barack admitted that his word choice was wrong); true leaders can RALLY SUPPORT AND GAIN CONSENSUS AMONG A DIVERSE GROUP. (what she should have been able to do around her health care initiative). Hillary believes negotiations means I win you loose. She believes compromise means I loose. She believes the only way to get things done is to FIGHT FOR THEM. Well my question to her would be. "so how has that been working out for you?"

Now lets look at the so called CLINTON MACHINE:

** they had an opportunty to fix the healthcare back in the 90s - FAILED
** they had an opportunity to fix medicare and social security -FAILED
**they had an opportunity to fix immigration laws - FAILED
** they had an opportunity to fix the inequities in drug mandatory conviction rules - FAILED
** they had an opportunity to stop the genocide in Rwanda - WASN'T EVEN ON THEIR RADAR
**they had an opportunity to put legislation in place to prevent the tech bubble. - FAILED
** they had an opportunity to catch bin Laden - FAILED
** they had an opportunity to invest in clean energy - FAILED
** she promised 100s of thousands of new jobs to upper state new york - what they got was a net loss of 35K jobs- FAILED
FAILED FAILED FAILED FAILED FAILED FAILED FAILED

The machine is not only broken - it never f'ing worked!

LiberalBlues:

You are absolutly correct. There simple-minded rightwing fools should never be allowed to keep us from Obama

Only the elites who understand just how important an Obama presidency should be allowed to make this selection.

You are welcome to keep him, though you'd have to move to Illinois. But as you'll see, the rest of us do not want him.

Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com

The only time we've had a deficit in the budget during my lifetime is when a REPUBLICAN is in office. From Ford to Bush they keep out doing each other breaking deficit records. As for Billary - see my above post to Dijamo

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Thanks, Kevin and Matthew! You two are pretty funny in combination....

"rest" as in 37%?

OK, it wouldn't be fair if Obama had 100%

so you 37 percenters can just hand with Bush's 23 percenters and have yourselves some grand shot parties.

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it reminds me of that youtube video Hillary made of her dropping out of the band to run for president.

On a scale of 1 to 10, this ad is about a 4 on the effectiveness scale. The problem with this ad is that Obama is out there very strongly right now delivering his real message and not the distortion that Hillary is making it to be. It is going to backfire on her; big time.

I wonder what Hillary would have done if she were running against a candidate who mispoke the way she did on Bosnia sniper fire -- three times!???

I thought she misspoke four times

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it reminds me of that youtube video Hillary made of her dropping out of the band to run for president.

Huh? Seriously?

I think he is referring to this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk

People in PA are sick of seeing Obama's face. His spending advantage of 4-1 isn't going to help him.

He's finished in PA and has no chance of winning a general election.

Barry Bittergate is damaged goods. He's always been damaged goods, but maybe his fans will finally start to notice before they end up making fools of themselves by nominating and following this empty suit to embarrassing defeat.

Come on superdelegates. Do your jobs and spare us from this Dukakis disaster.

People in PA are sick of seeing Obama's face. His spending advantage of 4-1 isn't going to help him.

I think that you might be on to something. I noticed that the ARG poll mentioned that they found that

23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton.

Given that ARG only finds a 20% lead for Sen Clinton, it would appear that all of her lead can be explained simply by recourse to the idea that folks are seeing too much of him on their televisions. Perhaps this is a case of too much of a good thing?

Or familiarity breeds contempt.

Does that explain Hillary's astronomical negatives?

To some extent. And it is about to do the same to Obama. Problem with him thoiugh is he doesn't have the gut, wit or depth of support to withstand it.

Clinton does.

Jeez...her approval rating in the last NBC-WSJ poll was 37%! Is that the "depth" of support you were referring to?

fogu is in an alternate universe. In Michigan alone, both McSame and Obama beat hillary. and that's even after she dispatched astroturfers to picket the DNC and insulted the past two dem nominees, one of who has a wife that still has pull in PA.

Shrillary couldn't make better friends if she paid for them.

ooops, which she can't. pay that is.

Great ad! Very simple and hits directly at why Obama doesn't get it and how is so out of touch. This is also great prep for the general election as Clinton is staking out a credible stance for the Democrats.

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This is a great prep for the GE alright.

For McCain's campaign that is.

It's a really bad boring spot, and very cheap. Her advertising people are...just bad. No home runs.

Is this an ad for McCain? Sure seems like it.

Obamas chickens are coming home to roost, as his spiritual adviser, Reverend "God Damn America" Wright might have put it.

It's amazing to watch this fight within the fight happening. HRC is using tactics now that are specifically designed as though she's running the general election against Obama. If she thinks that agreeing with John McCain on points that are soundpoints that will be glorified into issues come this fall, then she shouldn't be CALLED a democrat. This is exactly what Rush Limbaugh wants with Operation Chaos. Barack Obama is going to win, but he's too clean now so he needs to be bloodied up. Some stupid 'bitterness' scandal coupled with Rev. Wright should do the trick. If he looses the general election because of these points, I'll never forgive HRC

Now I'm bitter. I suppose if I was her with nothing to lose including my dignity this would be completely reasonable. I smell Wolfson's stench all over this set up.

Bravo to team HRC...

Nothing says I have no shame like well played dirty-pool.

Two things....

1. As an actor....that video really insults my profession...they..were...horrible.

2. Everyone in that video Looked bitter and even if they weren't they certainly dont seem like the economically furstrated people he was referring to....

Horatio386: Hate to break the news to you, but new Quinniapic Pennsylvania poll out tomorrow shows that Bittergate has not hurt Obama.

Mrs. Clinton is beating a dead horse. But that's her style and it usually ends up backfiring on her.

I remember the polls showing Obama winning CA, TX, OH, MA. He was thrashed in all of them and FL too.

Obama is headed for defeat in PA.

Superdelegates are paying attention. They know he can't win in November.

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He did win Texas, you doof. Maybe "thrashed" means something else to those of you without dictionaries.

I'm through responding to you folks. TPM, please consider an "ignore" button...

It's real simple Obama fans.

Ask yourself this: Why is Obama going to lose in Pennsylvania?

Because he's seen as too liberal.

"Oh but he'll make up for that by winning Utah and Georgia."

Do you realize how idiotic Obamalogic sounds to people outside the cult?

Again, I ask you: Why is Obama going to lose PA?

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Horatio386 doesn't understand the logic of predicting Obama victories.

I can't claim to understand the logic but he's leadin South Carolina but 20 points

He's actually going to win PA.

In the fall, I mean.

Why is Obama going to lose in Pennsylvania?

Ed Rendell seems to think it's because he's black. You can maybe comfort yourself with the notion that you're wrong in "good company."

True, Obama is seen as too liberal...by rural Pennsylvanians. A majority of them happen to be Republicans. Give Obama Philadelphia by a large margin, and Clinton gets Pittsburgh by a smaller margin (Lots of college students in the city accounts for the smaller margin). Say Clinton and Obama split the Philly metro counties (Delaware, Montgomery, Chester, Bucks: ~18% of the state's population) based on everyone being college educated, but a sizable older and "soccer mom" population. Hillary takes the rest of central PA except for Centre County (Penn State; call it a draw because it's essentially a mix of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh). This is worst case scenario, and Hillary still wouldn't pull out the big victory she needs. Sorry.

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Well, the governor of the state, Ed Rendell, said that people in PA aren't "ready" to vote for a black candidate.

Anyway, no one is saying Obama won't win because he's too liberal. PA just has more of the demographic groups that tend to turn out for Clinton, particularly poor old ladies.

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New poll shows Bush at his lowest level ever - 28% - and Hillary is running as a Republican. Who is out of touch?

Yeah lots of Republicans support universal healthcare and direct assistance to homeowners facing foreclosure. If Hillary is a Republican, then what is Obama with his talking points against universal healthcare?

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I had lunch today with my mom & her husband and a couple who are their friends. The husband had been a staunch Hillary supporter; I said to him, "well, Joel, looks like your girl is out of it" and he said, "she lost me with that Bosnia nonsense." He went on to say how he couldn't understand why she would do something that stupid and just make something like that up. Then he went on to say that he found the "bitter" nontroversy even more ridiculous and he was mad that she was on board with John McCain.

And this is in Arkansas, one of the only two or three states where Hillary had a 20+ point win.

Just thought that some of you Hillary shills would enjoy the anecdote.

Her Royal Highness is so pissed that Democrats did not give her the Coronation Ceremony, that she feels entitled to, that she has now gone into full Fatal Attraction mode, and seeks to take the Democratic Party down with her.

IT TAKES A CLINTON TO RAZE OUR VILLAGE!!!!

IT TAKES A CLINTON TO RAZE OUR VILLAGE!!!!

The perfect slogan! Thank you.

that is perfect. I mean, I thought there had been a threshold of "enough" but going out an insulting Kerry and Gore is like a two snaps double take WTF "uh, no she didn't!"

I just have this mental picture of her being dragged away, off the stage in Denver thrashing, screaming, biting, insulting everyone around her and propping up her legs in the door frame to prevent being taken away in her last throes of refusing to exit.

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Hillary Clinton is campaigning like a republican. Why would any democrat vote for her? She's using tactics right out of Rove's big book of fear and smear.

I seriously get angry just seeing her face on tv. The only other people who elicit that reaction from me is George W Bush and Dick Cheney.

Hillary Clinton: In Good Company.

I do wonder if Dr Krugman is contemplating anew that column he wrote insisting that the Obama campaign was renewing "Nixonland."

Krugman nothin'-- I'm waiting for Sean Wilentz's column explaining how Obama started this mudfight and why this incident somehow offers more proof of his playing the race card.

I have debated this some lately. I hate Hillary Clinton more than George W. Bush, Bush is far more evil but he's a Republican so you expect it; Clinton is a Republican in a Democratic pantsuit; this makes her worse than Bush in my opinion.

I am just so disappointed in her, it's so sad. Why can't people see this?

Paranoia.

No way. This is just crazy talk. I want Sen Obama to be our next president, but the claim that Sen Clinton is worse than Pres Bush is simply too much. Sen Clinton is a good candidate. She might have made a good president. Sen Obama will make an even better president, but that is no reason to scorn and disparage a fellow democrat. Besides, we will need Sen Clinton's supporters to win in November, so there is little to be gained from antagonizing them by insulting their candidate.

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Marginal Player: Don't call it Frisco.

Incidentally now that I'm bitching. This is exactly what Obama is talking about. She tries to distract with two simultaneous issues that are not really up for debate, guns and religion, instead of addressing the two most important issues for this election.

1. Why she voted and supported the Iraq war?

2. Why in 1999 President Clinton triangulated all our asses into bank deregulation that has directly created this economic recession?

These are the two most important questions for this election!

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Responses to Obama's "bitter" statement have varied. I didn't mind it, but my wife did. However, it's hard to see how any Democrat can react positively to Hillary's obvious bullshit and win-at-any-cost opportunism. It's just disgusting.

Ugh. I'm done. I voted for Hillary in the California primary. It took a while to push me over the edge, but if she is the nominee I will vote Green. Up until now I'd take either one, but I've just been pushed over the edge. She's running like a Republican and I just have no interest in this type of nonsense anymore.

I was very excited about getting someone other than a Republican in office after Bush. Not anymore. Now a Hillary victory would seem like a loss. It's a shame.

And for those of you who are going to use the line, "How could you vote for McCain if you are a liberal?" Well, I'm not a Democrat. I'm an Independent. I'm the kind of voter you need. The Green Party best represents my views, so the Dems should consider themselves lucky I have opened myself up to the possibility of voting for them. I'm an American. My vote must be earned. Hillary has now done the opposite.

For the record, the same goes for me.

I have been so overjoyed to be able to support such a tremendous (and, amazingly enough, viable!) candidate as Obama. This surprised me, because only months ago, despite reservations, I was ready to put my full support behind Clinton, who by all accounts looked like she would be the nominee, not to mention a welcome replacement to the catastrophe currently occupying the White House.

But no longer. If Clinton, by some disastrous luck and ill will, were to take the nomination, I'll forgo myself the pleasure of casting a meaningful vote this time around and go with the Green nominee.

I love my country and would like nothing more than to see it take advantage of this historical moment to mend itself and enact much-needed reforms, but I'm sorry, the ends do not justify the means, whether in a campaign or when leading the nation. Someone like Clinton, who daily proves more and more that she does not get this, is clearly not the person to lead us toward better times.

May the good people of Pennsylvania see through the Clinton charade and confirm what the vast majority of voters have already understood: that Obama is a person of great character and vision and uniquely deserving to be given this chance to lead our country out of these bleak times.

I hate even contemplating what will happen if he isn't our next President...

Hillary can't stop overplaying her hand. She lacks dignity. But what do you expect from the only person to get booed over and over in presidential debates within their party.

I have flagged this video on YouTube for "Hateful and abusive content" subcategory "bullying" --everyone else should do the same. Get this crap shut down!

Censorship and hate speech seem to be the hallmark of the Obamites.

Clinton must be nominated for the good of the party and the country.

It's for her own good. She has become so disdained by so many of us in the party.. she needs to stop this. It's childish. She has become the school-yard bully that all the dumb kids become friends with, sure they beat up on Obama but he becomes class president in the end.

Seriously LiberalBlues, what are you thinking? Criticize the video, call it stupid, whatever. But the way to deal with a commercial you don't like isn't to get it flagged with misleading complaints. We're better than that. And so is Obama; he doesn't need censorship to thrive.

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Let's see. Marginal thinks Obama is going to lose.

Marginal has a clever image posted merging Obama's logo with the hammer and sickle .

Marginal believes that Obama is some kind of communist.

You know, I think Marginal has an inaccurate perception of Barak Obama.

That's why Marginal accepts the notion that Obama was saying something negative about rural Americans.

Why, I think a lot of people might be making that same mistake and a lot of them write for newspapers and talk to TV cameras for a living.

So the Clinton/Republican spin seems to be doing a lot of damage. As of today, I still think Obama gets the nomination, beats McCain and assumes the presicency with a democratic majority in the house and senate.

Armchair campaign advisor: I think Obama should not bother to do a rebuttal to this dumb ad. He should go back and do another bus tour, with all the free local media coverage that entails, along with lots and lots and lots of retail (town hall) type events so people can hear, once again, his smart and detailed plans to change things for the better.

Meanwhile, Hillary's doing a straight-up Republican wedgie type ad can hardly endear her to either superdelegates or active/informed Dem voters.

No need for foreign funding. MSM is running the ad for free.

According to the AP, Hillary Clinton is getting ready to formally endorse Sen. John McCain for President.

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Darn, I thought Hillary and Joementum were going to go off and start the "It's ALL about ME" party.

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well at this point its safe to say she has a better chance of being McCain's running mate than Obama's.

This exact ad worked great for Romney in New Hampshire.

Earlier in this campaign, in a moment of good cheer and good will, I gave Senator Clinton's campaign a big check (for me) after she did well in a debate, even though I was leaning Obama at the time. I was proud of her performance on the substance and the issues, and so proud we had such good candidates.

Now I want my hard-earned money back. WITH INTEREST.

She could be gracious about his choice of words and accept his regrets and move on to her own strengths. She could conclude the campaign with class. Instead, she's trying to destroy our very-likely nominee.

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She is just as cynical and despicable as they come.

I bet Man 1's mother in law is so very proud of him...

Clinton will get my vote. If she doesn't win the Democratic nomination, McCain will get my vote in the general election.

Barry Bittergate "God Damn America" Obama is not a suitable candidate for the presidency of the United States.

He is inexperienced, shallow, self-adoring, arrogant, and weak.

He will never be elected.

Here is Barry Bittergate in 2005 admitting he wouldn't know what he was doing if he ran for president:

"I will not run on a national ticket in '08. I'm a believer in knowing what you're doing when you apply for a job. Some people would be comfortable doing that but I'm just not one of those people."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bdb_1207434986

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Obama won Texas.

End of story.

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Keith is noting that Hillary not only called Obama an elitist she called Kerry and GORE elitists.

The more Clinton tries to beat this to death, the more it will backfire on her.
Maybe the Taylor Marshes, the gotalife's, the Otto's, the fogu2's get a rise out of this, but i think most Dems in a Democratic primary become repulsed with Dems who campaign like Republicans.

I recall a somewhat popular AG in Ohio running for governor in the Dem primary on a "no new taxes" platform. He got his a$$ handed to him.

So I'm now of the mind that I want her to keep harping on it. It loses its resonance, and makes it looks as though she has nothing else to say but throw mud.

Good job Hillary. YOu go girl!

Hillary v. McCain 08.

Obama will join ranks of Kerry, Dodd, Kennedy, Richardson, etc., etc.,

He will be yesterday's news soon.

I'm just surprised you people aren't allready sick of him.

Just look at this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU&eurl=http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/33068-whos-bamboozling-who.html

why is Shrillery Bittery behind in the polls in Michigan? I thought she actually won there? or something.

Bittery Rodham Clinton can not win against McCain.

She has the highest negative ratings of all the candidates, and she has had them for years.

Once people dislike a candidate, they will never vote for them under any circumstances.

A vote for Hillary in the Primaries, is a vote for President McCain.

In the wake of this patronizing ad -- as if Hillary and her hundred-million-dollar income knows shit about average Pennsylvanians -- it's worth noting that today, 21 elected officials and community leaders from small towns in Pennsylvania wrote the following:

". . . What Sen. Obama said is that over the last 25-30 years, working class people in places like Pennsylvania have been falling behind, and that politicians in Washington haven"t been looking out for them. He also said that, as a result, many people have become frustrated, angry and even bitter about all the broken promises.

"He was right.

"The politicians who are now saying that we shouldn"t be frustrated are the ones who are out of touch. . . .

"Unlike his opponents who have been part of the Washington establishment for decades, Barack Obama understands the struggles we are going through. We welcomed him with open arms as he made his way through small towns and rural areas on his recent bus tour across the state. And we will work day and night from now until the primary on his behalf not only because he has heard our frustrations, but because he speaks to our hope that Washington can actually work for people like us."

Pretty much says it all, I think.

I don't know about her, but...

I'm bitter as hell and I'm not going to take it any more.

Oh no, are you advocating "The Mao-Tse Tung Hour".

Dohrn and Ayers might be available for that.

So tell me. Why is Obama going to lose PA despite outspending Clinton 4-1?

Simple question.

Clinton will get my vote. If she doesn't win the Democratic nomination, McCain will get my vote in the general election.

Begone, and go join the Republican Party.
And don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out.
The Dems don't need any more pathetic crybabies who take their toys home when they don't get their way.
Good riddance!

Where are you Troll Critic?

"Shhhhh, be vewwy, vewwy quiet. We're huntin' wabbits."

--Hillary Clinton, armed and dangerous

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According to the AP, Hillary Clinton is getting ready to formally endorse Sen. John McCain for President.

Sadly, that is all too believable.

Harry Reid smells you

“Mr. President, someone wanting to visit the Capitol today, there is no place for them to gather. They gather -it used to be out on the East Front - now they gather on the West Front. And the people who work here joke about you can always tell when it's summertime because you can smell the visitors. And what we mean by that Mr. President – they stand out there in the high humidity, heat, sweating, and it’s really – there’s no place for them to go.” Sen. Harry Reid's Floor remarks today.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0408/Harry_Reid_smells_you.html

Riiiiiiight. How's the weather down there, what with your head in the sand and all? Clinton's playing right out of the GOP southern strategy playbook. If you can't see it, you don't have eyes to see. Have fun with President McCain, then, and thanks for all the sh!t the rest of us Dems will have to work twice as hard to clean up after in the General.

With friends like this ...

Reading comprehension much? There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, then your willfull idiocy.

and lost the caucuses, twice. and obama still leads with the texas delegates.

what gives?

Damn. That was a reply to "Theresa" at April 14, 2008 8:06 PM.

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-Hillary Clinton, armed and dangerous

You're just asking for a Cheney-style face full of buckshot.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

Hillbillary - Git er done on day 1!

WHO is behind the Barack Obama for President
"moo-vement"?

.................. GE ......................

and a gaggle of other corporate elitists.

Are a lot of working class Americans Bitter?

Well, they SHOULD be: Another GE candidate for President SOLD to the public by the Corporate-Controlled "Mainstream MEDIA ... Ronald Reagan ... began the MASSIVE Robbery of the American people that has continued to this day.

About every day & sometimes several times a day the TV Talking heads say: "The Rich are getting richer and everybody else is getting poorer"

... & You'd Think ... after nearly 30 years they would FINALLY ASK: WHY?

The answer is simple: Reagan cut the top tax rate down from the 70%'s to the low 30%'s.

(If you made $$$ 100 million & your tax rate was 70% you would pay $70 million to Uncle Sam & keep $30 million ... earning interest, or dividends, or capital THE NEXT YEAR on that $30 million. If, instead, you paid $30 million in taxes and KEPT $70 million --- You'd make a lot MORE money the next year on that $70 million - in interest, dividends, etc.)

Simple, tax the rich a lot less AND they damn sure WILL get a whole lot richer a whole lot faster.

There was 2 PARTS to Reaganomics tho. The second part was: The Two-Tier Wage Structure"
i.e. Pay the Top level "executives" a Whole LOT MORE; Pay everybody else a Whole LOT LESS. (Newspapers & TV in the early 80's had articles & coverage of the "Two-Tier Wage Structure" that CORPORATE America trotted out IN CONCERT with Reagan's election/tax cuts.)

IF its CORPORATE POLICY to PAY Everybody else a WHOLE LOT LESS ... everybody else is going to get ... a whole lot poorer ... huh.

a. It was deliberate. b. Its been going on for nearly 30 years.

Next Question: Is Obama likely to fix it?

Answer: Hell No. Because THE SAME PEOPLE are running him for President - The SAME WAY they got Reagan/ Bush1 / Bush2 elected:

MEDIA Propaganda. GE owns MSNBC & NBC. AOL Time Warner owns CNN. Westinghouse owns CBS.
(GE is the 2nd largest corporation on the planet).

They have interlocking directorships. THEY ARE the Corporate-Controllers of the Corporate-Controlled Media.

MSNBC/NBC have become the CHIEF propaganda mouthpiece of the Obama Pushers ... (BOPN - Barack Obama Propagands Networks) - just like FOX has been the the Bush Propaganda Network all these years.

There are no more Journalists, no more NEWS People. They have all become court jesters and clowns doing their bit to please their corporate masters .... Top Level PAID A WHOLE LOT MORE -------- Media whores.

Here's a glimpse of one of the $Billions of Dollars TAXPAYER RIPOFF Reasons GE wants to "elect" Obama President:

GE & Westinghouse are in the business of building nuclear power plants.

The Cheney Energy Bill passed in 2005 - made it possible for the nuclear industry to begin planning to build 29 new nuclear power plants (licensing hearings are already scheduled for the first few of them).

No new nuke plants were built for 30 years because the banks wouldn't loan the money - too risky. The Cheney Energy Bill solved that problem for them by Guaranteeing TAXPAYER PAYBACK of any of the nuke building loans that default (The Congressional Budget Office rated the risk of default at 50% or greater".

Obama voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill. Clinton voted against. Clinton says her Energy plan does not include nuclear & if they want to be considered in the future they will have to FIRST Make it Cheaper and find a safe way to dispose of the nuke waste.

McCain, this week on the Campaign trail said ... we just have to face it we need to start building new, CLEAN, nuclear power plants.

i.e. The Corporate Elitists are running OBAMA AND McCain for President.

("Getting off coal to go to nuclear is like giving up cigarettees to take up smoking crack".)

Go look up on the grassy knoll near Roswell, the trilateral commission meeting is about to begin!

You know you really don't have to be this way. There are very good psychopharmaceuticals available now.

The first thing Clinton did when Barry's comments hit the airwaves was grab a squirrel hat and a shotgun and jump on the first podium she could find.

She rivals Bill as the most adept politician of the era. Being outspent 4-1 and savaged by the press for months, Bitter Barry still couldn't put her away and now he's on the ropes and about to be knocked out in PA.

She has what it takes to beat McCain. Nominee Barry is Rush Limbaugh's wet dream.

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I just don't understand why Obama was hanging out in a bath house in San Fransico anyway. I mean isn't the next primary in Pennsylvania?

where was the elton john concert?

So it would be "fair game" to have an Obama commercial where "citizens" called out Hillary for being "completely untrustworthy", and an "outright liar"? And for Obama to bring up and tie in Tuzla sniperfire in to every stump speech and Q&A? To mention ad nauseum that Sen. Clinton is a bald-faced liar?

Sometimes, in fact, I scream 'bite my **********, ******** ******' as well as a **** ****** ******** and ' you big **** *********ing jowly *******hat'. Just depends on the day, really. Good thing I don't own a parrot.

The counter-ad will feature "ordinary citizens" ducking sniper fire in PA.

Jeez...her approval rating in the last NBC-WSJ poll was 37%! Is that the "depth" of support you were referring to?

Sorry, this got posted twice...

It's sad to see the Obama fans still trying to pretend sniper jokes resonate. It's a non issue to real voters, whereas Bittergate has cost Barry PA and put his campaign on life support.

speaking of sad is just the sad exit Hillary is making in the dusk of her political career. insulting everyone on her way out the door.

and not paying her bills. and dragging folks over the cliff with her.

that's sadder.

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Here are my questions, (submitted late, I know) about this ad:

1. What is the party affiliation (if any) of the people who appear in this ad?

2. If they have a party affiliation, when was the last time they voted for the party with which they are listed?

3. If they had no idea who the Democratic candidate would be, would they vote Republican or Democrat in the upcoming election?

I ask these questions because I suspect that Hillary is doing something here of which I have long been critical--trying to get elected by Republicans. (You'd think that Democratic candidates would try to get Democrats to vote for them, but it ain't necessarily so.)

Obama may not be the greatest candidate ever, but at least he (pretty) consistently goes out there representing Democrats and asking for their votes.

Did anyone else watch this ad thinking "Wow, I wonder if any of these people are really Democrats?"

Er, excuse me, I've been in a coma for the past month, and I'm just coming to...

When I first went under, there was this Earth-shattering crisis in the Obama campaign; his pastor said some things that scared white people.

As memory serves, it was the single defining event that was supposed to end his campaign.

Well did it? I'm assuming the "Rev. Wright" flap is all over the news today like a rash. And that this is still considered the fatal blow to Barack Obama's chances to be prez.

I'll just have to turn on the TV, here, and see if... hey, wait a minute...

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Cute, rip van 'wrinkle' there, Barry.

In probably one of the dumbest moves I have ever witnessed in politics, Obama refuses to apologize for insulting the voters.

Did you first tune into 'politics' this last friday? And did you turn out before Saturday morning?

oops... tried to reply to gotalife, in my above comment. Like it would've made a difference, anyways.

I find the level of delusion among some of the Clinton posters here remarkable. His campaign is on the ropes? Losing Pennsylvania (where Obama started out at least 20 points behind) will somehow wipe out his delegate advantage? As Obama said the other day, "who's out of touch here?"

If Hillary wins this nomination with these shallow, cynical means, I will refuse to vote for her. Up until now, I'd thought I'd vote for her if she won it, but now I can only think that the long-term best interests of the country depend upon the ouster of the Clinton's from presidential politics. Good riddance!

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I don't know whether Republicans really want to face Clinton more than Obama in November. What I do know is that they'd be absolutely delighted if Clinton won the primaries only by convincing people that she's in touch with rural Americans. Talk about a soft target for the GOP.

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Clinton isn't going to win the nomination and if she helps cost Obama the election she's going to be as popular in the party as Ralph Nader. And that would also set the stage for a totally fractured party in 2012.

I ask these questions because I suspect that Hillary is doing something here of which I have long been critical--trying to get elected by Republicans. (You'd think that Democratic candidates would try to get Democrats to vote for them, but it ain't necessarily so.)

The exit polls in nearly every state will show that Hillary Clinton won the DEMOCRATIC vote.

huh? someone please clarify this. I was in a closed primary and she got spanked by like 60 point spread. I mean it almost wasn't even fair.

After the Bosnia Shoot-m-Up; Rocky; the Crown Regal Affair; and the Touch of the Bitters Commercial cannot wait for next week. Pennsylvania is one hell of a state.

Seriously, this could not be made up. What's next, Team Clinton claims Obama cracked the Liberty Bell? Thus, confirming he is against liberty!

Just curious, how did the Clinton camp use Rocky?

She compared herself to a Rocky as a fighter who never gives in.

Baraks "bitter" statements might have been poorly phrased, but they tell some of the few truths in recent politics.
Here he is saying the same thing in 2004.


dont worry guys, this isnt hurting the party at ALL!

negative attack ads against each other make us stronger for the general...


....oh no now im going to be sick on wwjbs keyboard

It's time for Obama to pull out an ad of Hillary's sniper story she told Pennsylvania and run it constantly between now and the primary.

He;s actually too classy to do that. I'm sure if the situation were reversed Hillary would be doing the same.

Perhaps the Obama camp should put out a response ad showing myself and my fellow Philadelphians who are bitter about having gun control legislation blocked by the representatives of the rest of PA, who obviously wouldn't be able to live if they could only buy 1 gun a month.

My first impression of the ad was that these people looked nothing like the folks with economic hardships who are supposed to be the target. I'm not sure anybody's going to lend this commercial much credit on its authenticity.

When sympathizing with somebody's plight, please have the decency to show you actually know what that plight is.

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I'll just have to turn on the TV, here, and see if... hey, wait a minute...

LOL!!!

question. can Shrillary's campaign only pay for these three trolls? is that really the best she can pay for? sir elton has got to be disappointed.

It's a good ad in that it keeps the focus on Obama's attitude and what he said, rather than allowing him (as he is trying so hard to do) to claim that the whole flap was simply about the word "bitter". He wants to make it about whether or not people are bitter. But the real issue is how he views people, and how, behind their back in San Francisco, he discounted their faith and core values. A gaff is a gaff. Anybody can misspeak. But what he did in San Francisco was to reveal his attitude, and people have a right to be concerned about it.

Lest we forget who we're dealing with, let me remind you of some Hillary quotes:

"Where is the G*d@mn f**king flag? I want the G-d@mn f**king flag up every f**king morning at f**king sunrise."
- Hillary to the staff at the Arkansas Governor's mansion on Labor Day, 1991 (Inside The White House by Ronald Kessler, p. 244 )

"F*#k off! It's enough that I have to see you sh#t-kickers every day, I'm not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G*d@mn job and keep your mouth shut."
- Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with "Good morning." (American Evita by Christopher Anderson, p.90)

"If you want to remain on this detail, get your f**king @$$ over here and grab those bags!"
- Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident. Many other instances like this! (The First Partner by Joyce Milton, p.259 )

"Where's the miserable c*ck s*cker?"
- Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer (The Truth About Hillary by Edward Klein, p.5 )

"Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those sunglasses. We need to go back!"
- Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while en route to Air Force One (Dereliction of Duty by Clinton military aide Robert Patterson p. 71-72)

Now we're quoting from the RNC's greatest hits? We're sinking fast.

OK, maybe not Wallace, I was trying to go for a nice '68 symmetry there.

I'll go with... Pat Buchanan in a pantsuit. Which I guess makes her Bay Buchanan?

This ad falls flatter than Jessica Simpson's boobs before enhancement. Rendell just told the press this bitter thing dont amount to a hill o beans. Obama endorsed by a whole bunch of prominent PA folks including Mr Rooney the classiest owner in the NFL. Just talked with one of best friends and a member of the guard out Pittsburgh way and he confirmed that endorsement is all over the local news...

It's not too hard. You can find that on any blog.

AAAAAH. DAMN COMMENTING SYSTEM. That was wayyy up in response to Novemberist, who said it was amazing to find the people on the street uttering talking points from Hillary's campaign.

Was civility the impetus for choosing your screen name?

Golly this commenting system is screwed up. How are we to respond to vicious trolls when the system keeps putting our comments at the end? Oh what a world.

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that is perfect. I mean, I thought there had been a threshold of "enough" but going out an insulting Kerry and Gore is like a two snaps double take WTF "uh, no she didn't!"

Dayum, you funny, too!

I've been laughing for two solid days.

To use Elizabeth Drew's term, it's more "molehill politics" from the Clinton campaign. That's when a candidate adopts mock outrage over nonsense to create a phony media issue. It's nauseating.

First, Sen. Clinton tried to make an issue of Sen. Obama's (correct) observation that Pres. Reagan was more transformative than Pres. Clinton, as though Obama was Alex P. Keaton in disguise. Didn't stick.

Then Pres. Clinton's comments in South Carolina. Oops, that stuck. On Sen. Clinton.

The Clinton campaign then tried to convince us that only big states that she wins really matter. Didn't stick.

Caucuses don't count? Didn't stick.

"Empty suit" who only uses words? Didn't stick.

Plagiarism? Amusing, but didn't stick.

Now this non-issue about "bitterness." If this sticks, then we deserve the government we elect.

I have to echo Pablo's comment. If Clinton succeeds in winning the nomination using these tactics, I'm just not going to vote in the election. (I would never vote for McCain). I haven't been as disillusioned in a politician since her husband had sex with a young intern.

She could at least be drinkin American whiskey for chrissakes, instead of that elitist imported stuff.

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Your comment shows a lack of knowledge about Colombia. As a Colombian, I can tell you that we are very proud of President Uribe and what he has achieved in six years as President. He has given us our country back. The FARC is on the verge of total collapse. Every week another 20 to 30 guerrillas surrender. From over 30,000 in 2001, they number now under 8,000.

The Colombian government does not murder trade unionists nor are they political prisoners in Colombia. We are fighting a war against the FARC and all too often the FARC uses one of the trade union as a front. Even so, under Uribe the murders of trade unionists have fallen from over 200 the year he took office to 26 last year.

Say what you will about your elections, but to disparage my country and its achievements is not for you to say.

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Not true. This from politico:

She starts out ahead of him in electoral votes, 202 to 198. Pretty evenly matched, with only 4 electoral votes between them. Of the states that are not in McCain's column, how can Hillary pick up 68 electoral votes from swing states to make the magic 270?

CT - 7 (202+7=209)
NJ - 15 (209+15=224)
DE - 3 (224 +3=227)
HI - 4 (227+4=231)
FL - 27 (231+27=258)
WV - 5 (258+5=263)
and either WA or MN or MO or WI or MI or VA
The first four states should go to any Democratic nominee. Hillary can win back WV if she is getting Pennsylvania and Ohio, and she's consistently winning Florida. Michigan is likely for her because of pushing to count their vote in the primary, Washington is a traditionally blue state, Missouri is a long shot, and Minnesota and Wisconsin are fully competitive. Virginia may say swing, but I doubt its competitive. Winning two of the final group and losing WV would still work. Winning Nevada is a possibility, but wouldn't be enough on its own to clinch the Electoral College.

On McCain's side, he has to get 72 electoral votes to win. That means even winning Virginia and Florida are not enough to put him over the top. He would have to win three of the following: WA, MN, MO, WI, MI, NV, WV. With Nevada or West Virginia as the third, that means he must win MI and either WA or MO, to reach 270. Also, if the three are MN, WI and either MO or WA, he is one vote short, and thus must win at least Nevada or West Virginia as well. Basically, if McCain has lost OH and PA, he must win MI, FL and VA to have a chance. If Hillary takes Florida out of play, McCain is highly unlikely to win.

Obama vs. McCain: Obama starts 28 points bakc, 180 vs. 208, and McCain is ahead of where he started with Hillary. More states are swing states because Obama is not clearly leading in them, thus momentum is leaning towards McCain. Of the states that are not in McCain's column, how can Obama pick up 90 electoral votes from swing states to make the magic 270?

PA - 21 (180+21=201)
OH - 20 (201+20=221)
MI- 17 (221+17=238)
NJ - 15(238_15=253)
and then at least two of the following - MN, WI, VA, CO, IA, but the two cannot be CO and IA as they do not total 17.

See a problem here? Yeah, he tanked in Ohio and New Jersey, has dissed Michigan by refusing to let them revote even when he might have won it, and is trailing badly in Pennsylvania. Minnesota and Wisconsin are probably easier for him to win than they are for Hillary, though they are swing states for her as well, and it is questionable whether he could pull out Virginia or Colorado. He simply isn't competitive in any border state - KY, TN, MO, AR - or in Florida. If he loses Ohio and Pennsylvania, he basically has to take evey other swing state to make up for their electoral deficit, whereas if McCain picks up just OH and PA, he only needs 21 more votes to clinch the election, and that means just Virginia and South Carolina. Not a good bet.

These are projections, of course, but they have some basis in the demographic makeup of the states and reference the historical voting patterns of those states.

And all of this, the Politico article and the latest polls, were done before Obama's recent blather about bitter lower-class voters.

Obama's ability to win the Democratic nomination itself presupposes that Florida and Michigan are eliminated from the delegate count and that he wins big in all the remaining primaries and that the lion's share of the super delegates break his way. Barring votes from Michigan and Florida will cripple the Democartic party in those states in November. It does not look likely that he will win big in the upcoming primaries. Super delegates, according to the Politico report, are beginning to question the wisdom of their initial pledge.

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No, sorry, Obama's lock on the nomination does not presuppose exclusion of FL and MI revotes; it didn't exclude them a month ago and since then he's only gained ground. At this point these two states would not only have to re-vote but Hillary would have to win both by whopping margins to even get close to Obama's delegate lead. I did the math on it a few weeks back and I'm not going to do it again, but you're free to figure it yourself - I gave Hillary her 55% "victory" in MI's non-primary with the half delegation the DNC's permanent rules say they will get to seat...but of course, since then, polls show Obama beating Hillary in MI. Then I gave Hillary both the 55% she garnered in FL's non-primary, along with the delegates for the candidates no longer in the race (12%) and left Obama's share at the 33% he got in FL - again figure a half-delegation per DNC rules - and see where you end up. My calculations put her at least 90 pledged delegates behind going into the convention - even if my overly rosy picture had panned out, which polls show us it won't. As for Obama being "not likely to win big" in any of the remaining primaries, there's NC where he continues to show a 20 point lead...and NC has over 2/3 of the delegates PA has, where he's shaved Hillary's lead to under 10 points.

I'm sorry but your math skills are lacking. You can't substitute hopes and dreams for actual numbers.

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You are one of the few intelligent Obama supporters that I have come across. This is my first visit here in weeks but this site lost all credibility. It is refreshing to see that some Obama supporters do think and speak reasonably and not just spew hatred.

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Hard for him to do since last week in Montana and then back on February 2, 2008 up in Boise he was all pro-guns. Here's what he said in Boise.

"And then there are people who say, `Well, he doesn't believe in the Second Amendment,' even though I come from a state _ we've got a lot of hunters in downstate Illinois. And I have no intention of taking away folks' guns."

That's the problem with Obama, he keeps on telling different audiences different things and it is catching up with him. In Iowa he was against driver's licenses for undocumented workers but in Los Angeles he was for them. Fair enough he can change his mind and he did so in public but in his comments in gun-shy San Francisco he said he was going to tighten sales at gun shows and ban certain types of guns. Yet in Idaho and Montana he did not quite say that. Personally I think it is because he wants to be all things to all people but he turns off people in the process. As a gay man, I find his rhetoric on gay issues is not matched by his actions.

Let me put this as softly as I can, Obama has turned off large segments of the Democratic constituency. I was an Edwards supporter to start. Rather than be pulled to Clinton, I was pushed to Clinton because of Obama's stances on health care, energy, foreign policy and gay issues. Having said that, the more I learn about Obama the more offensive I find him.

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He certainly win the most votes there. That only displays that the caucus system is flawed and needs to be fixed for 2012.

Happy to see the story has plenty of legs. Early Morning Update of RCP Obmaa is 6 for 6 on blogs. Not good Obama cultists. http://realclearpolitics.com/

Barry Obama/Reverend Wright 2008, that's the winning ticket.

Yawn. Quinnipiac poll out today in PA:

Clinton 50 Obama 44. Numbers unchanged from last week. Pollster says Bittergate has not harmed Obama.
New Associated Press story today says majority of voters in PA are not offended by his remarks.

Watch Clinton get booed tomorrow when she says that Obama is elitist, condescending and out of touch.

As much as I agree with him, I'm afraid this flap is more serious than the others. This is not some abstract "hate America" or "love NAFTA" concept that people can't quite take seriously. This hits the bedrock antipathy Americans have to anybody who thinks or acts like they're "better" than them. This is at the core of the rampant anti-intellectualism infecting the country. This is the "My kid just beat up your honor student" bumpersticker.

People in PA have a right to be bitter and thank God someone is concerned about their future and their economic hardships, opportunities. It wasn't worded right but clearly Obama's head & heart is/was in the right place. Clinton uses the lowest common denominator to get votes, and yes she will get some votes that way, by scrapping the barrel. Instead of doing ads talking about what her plans are, she is attacking Obama. Why is this a substantive issue for PA voters? It isn't, plain and simple. Let Clinton do these ads, but how are they educating, inspiring, mobilizing or explaining anything of importance to voters? Obama on the other hand has already aired issues that need to be aired and dealt with. He tells the truth and he elevates the nation. I hope that the American people will see this and vote for him. Even if he looses PA, don't worry the nation sees what is going on in PA and I think in general they think Clinton is phoney. She may win there but she has shown her true colors to the rest of the nation. Also, I don't think she will win (if she does) by a lot. This vote will be a gut check- vote for the candidate who tells you the truth, or vote for someone who is making you believe we are still living in 1991 or something. Clinton is the past, and she is trying to make the past alive today. What she doesn't realize is that as a nation, we must grow, otherwise we shrivel up and die and the United States looses everything.

Also, Bruce Springsteen just endorsed Obama!

I'm sick to death of this woman. She plays just like the Neocons. I'm tired of that crap. She and the rest of Old Washington need to go.

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I think Hill had some trouble finding enough non-bitter Pennsylvanians, since she had to use a fellow NJ resident (and Clinton volunteer) to play the "man on the street" in her ad. Typical.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/16/112029/662/506/496817

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The way I interpret what Obama said, or meant to say, is that people in small town Pennsylvania are bitter because they've lost their manufacturing jobs 25 years ago and have given up on government trying to bring those jobs back so they now vote on issues like guns and religion, instead.
To me, that's a pretty insightful thing to say because it's actually a knock against Republicans. Not only is it true, it could very well be one of the reasons why so many republican voters vote against their own economic interests. But instead, you get Hillary spinning it as if she was a republican. Every negative ad she does like this one truly shows how desperate she is. Someone explain to me why this is elitist?

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