In Meeting, Dean Promises Florida Pols He'll Get Delegation Seated -- No Specific Ideas Discussed
DNC chair Howard Dean just met with a bunch of Dem members of Congress from Florida, as well as state chair Karen Thurman, in an effort to demonstrate seriousness of purpose with regard to getting the delegation sat.
No huge developments, but DNC spokesperson Stacie Paxton tells me that he assured the assembled polls that he's bent on getting Florida seated, but that it has to be done in a way both campaigns will agree with.
Asked if any specific ideas on how to do this were discussed, Paxton said no, adding that the DNC "needed to start by getting everyone in the room first, then we'll figure out details."
The DNC and the Florida will be issuing a joint statement soon. The meeting comes on the same day that The New York Times did a big piece reporting that Dems are worried that Dean won't be able to navigate all the competing interests in a way that will finally solve the Florida and Michigan conundrums.
Late Update: I forgot to add that Dean told the pols that hotel rooms have been booked for the delegates.















That NY Times piece was just a regurgitation of inside the Beltway Democratic insider talking points. Surprise.
Hillary Clinton is described as offerring a "direct rebuke" to Dean. Really? The same Clinton machine that didn't want Dean as chair of the DNC? Color me shocked. Shocked!
The quality of political "analysis" is depressing.
April 2, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, we all knew this would happen, right?
The FL and MI delegates can be seated as is, because Obama has such a huge lead, it won't matter.
April 2, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
The easiest and cheapest way to revote is to caucus, but Hillary and Monster Inc said no, they obviously want to disenfranchise the voters of Michigan and Florida.
April 2, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
So far the Obama camp has pretty much gotten a pass for its opposition to seating Michigan and Florida in any way that allows Hillary to take advantage of her lead in those two states. Obama has proposed splitting the vote 50/50, which would in effect reassign Hillary votes to Obama. Other ideas have been floated by the Obama camp, but all reduce the impact of Hillary's supporters. Let's see if Obama can continue to pull this strategy off while flying under the radar.
April 2, 2008 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll just keep copying and pasting this until Hillary supporters acknowledge it:
Obama did nothing to stop the Florida revote.
Karen Thurman, Democratic Party chair in Florida, announced the decision in an e-mail message Monday afternoon, saying thousands of people had responded negatively to her proposal for a vote-by-mail primary in early June.
"We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again," she wrote. "So we won't. A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/17/florida_revote_plan_scuttled_m.html
I'd love to see you acknowledge this, and start blaming the Democrats of Florida, but I'm not holding my breath.
April 2, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Dean. Something needs to be done. I would really have liked to have revotes in FL and MI, but now that this looks too impractical to be achieved, I think that the next best option would be to halve each delegation (as the Republicans did) and seat them. Also the superdelegates from each state should get no vote (that is the real penalty which punishes the real offenders, to ensure that no states will be tempted to try this gambit again in the future). This would ensure that 1) each of these important states gets a rightful seat at the table with a delegation chosen by an election (albeit very flawed elections) and that 2) these illicit elections do not actually overturn the results of the legitimate elections.
April 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Halving the Michigan votes neuters the voters' choice. It would be more honest simply to not seat us. Obama voluntarily took his name off the ballot and that is the way it is being reported in Michigan.
This is not about whether party functionaries get a seat at the convention -- it is about whether the votes are counted.
Obama is not a small d democrat.
April 2, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
O the Old Guard takes every single opportunity to bitch about Dean. They fought us up one side and down the other on electing him chairman.
That's partly what's going on here anyway, I think. Hillary's True Democrats - ie. white working class union members and middle aged women, from what I can tell, don't want the progressive wing to take power from them. But all they know how to do is lose.
We've lost and lost and lost with them in charge and the DLC running the show. It all worked exactly once - for Bill Clinton. Can't they see that that was Bill and not the process?
April 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good on Dean!
April 2, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
So far, the Hillary camp has pretty much gotten a pass for demanding that the rules of Candyland be changed mid-game, simply because they had the misfortune of landing in the Molasses Swamp. Let's see if Hillary can continue to fly under the radar while insisting that the DNC sanction cheating.
April 2, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice work Dean.
We need these States for Clinton to win the general.
Whine on trolls.
April 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ironically, you can seat them as is and Obama will still win...
April 2, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another Super Delegate goes into the Obama column:
Wed Apr 2, 8:50 AM ET
PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday won the endorsement of Lee Hamilton, a former Indiana congressman who is a leading U.S. authority on foreign relations and national security.
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The support of Hamilton, who co-chaired two blue-ribbon commissions that investigated the September 11 attacks and advised President George W. Bush on the war in Iraq, could boost the Illinois senator in his May 6 Indiana primary contest against New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Hamilton said Obama offers American voters the best chance to create a new sense of national unity and transcend division.
"He champions the politics of consensus, not of partisan division," the longtime Democratic Party figure said in a statement. "He is driven by the search for the common good."
Hamilton, also backed Obama on foreign relations, an area where the White House hopeful has been criticized for inexperience.
"His foreign policy is pragmatic, visionary and tough," said Hamilton, former Democratic chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives committees on foreign affairs and intelligence.
"He will work with our friends and allies. He will strengthen our ability to use all tools of American power and relentlessly promote the American values of freedom and justice for all people."
It was the latest key Democratic endorsement for Obama in his race against Clinton for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. The two face hard-fought primary election battles in both Indiana and Pennsylvania in the next several weeks.
Obama also has picked up other endorsements recently from New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey.
Hamilton represented Indiana in the House from 1965 through 1999. He now is president and director of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars
April 2, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lee Hamilton is not a superdelegate. He represented his Indiana district for 34 years, but these days has no official capacity within the Democratic Party.
That said, this is still a nice get for Obama because of his Hamilton's national security credentials and his deep roots in Southern Indiana.
April 2, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
But he DID pick up the Governor of Wyoming Dave Freudanthal today, so the net result is the same.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_on_el_pr/obama_endorsement;_ylt=AsEy7UDQgOEI6jZ4yMhZmYis0NUE
April 2, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is Hamilton a superdelegate? He is not listed on the Demconwatch list.
April 2, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another example of the weakness of the Democratic Party.
You state clearly that if the rules are broke, there will be consequences.
The rules are broke.
You spend the next several months finding a way to take back the consequences which everyone knew and had agreed upon.
This inspires confidence.
April 2, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
All of the negotiations to seat delegations are within the rules. Unlike Republicans, we're capable of working within detailed rules to get the best outcome, rather than only understanding "Broke rules! Must punish!"
April 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just to be clear, Republicans only tend to be eager to punish when it's not one of their own that broke the rules.
April 2, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like Dean. The old guard is out to get him. Don't back down!
They should split them 50/50 and seat them, no supers though.
April 2, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Associated Press
CHEYENNE, Wyo. April 2, 2008, 12:06 pm ET · Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal (FREE'-den-thawl) says he will support Barack Obama for president.
April 2, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally. I wondered when he was going to come around.
April 2, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Bill Clinton who met privately with California's superdelegates at last weekend's state convention was a far cry from the congenial former president who afterward publicly urged fellow Democrats to "chill out" over the race between his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Barack Obama.
In fact, before his speech Clinton had one of his famous meltdowns Sunday, blasting away at former presidential contender Bill Richardson for having endorsed Obama, the media and the entire nomination process.
"It was one of the worst political meetings I have ever attended," one superdelegate said.
According to those at the meeting, Clinton - who flew in from Chicago with bags under his eyes - was classic old Bill at first, charming and making small talk with the 15 or so delegates who gathered in a room behind the convention stage.
But as the group moved together for the perfunctory photo, Rachel Binah, a former Richardson delegate who now supports Hillary Clinton, told Bill how "sorry" she was to have heard former Clinton campaign manager James Carville call Richardson a "Judas" for backing Obama.
It was as if someone pulled the pin from a grenade.
"Five times to my face (Richardson) said that he would never do that," a red-faced, finger-pointing Clinton erupted.
The former president then went on a tirade that ran from the media's unfair treatment of Hillary to questions about the fairness of the votes in state caucuses that voted for Obama. It ended with him asking delegates to imagine what the reaction would be if Obama was trailing by just 1 percent and people were telling him to drop out.
"It was very, very intense," said one attendee. "Not at all like the Bill of earlier campaigns."
When he finally wound down, Bill was asked what message he wanted the delegates to take away from the meeting.
At that point, a much calmer Clinton outlined his message of party unity.
"It was kind of strange later when he took the stage and told everyone to 'chill out,' " one delegate told us.
"We couldn't help but think he was also talking to himself."
When delegate Binah - still stunned from her encounter with Clinton - got home to Little River (Mendocino County) later in the day - there was a phone message waiting for her from State Party Chairman Art Torres, telling her the former president wanted him to apologize to her on his behalf for what happened.
Still, word of Clinton's blast shot all the way back to the New Mexico state Capitol, where Richardson spokesman Pahl Shipley reiterated Tuesday that his boss had never "promised or guaranteed" Bill and Hillary his endorsement.
April 2, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kos has posted a blistering response to that lazy, credulous, Judy-Miller-esque, insider-regurgitation piece of $#@! from the NYT.
April 2, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah yes. Like my good friend gotalife says higher in this very thread: "Nice work Dean".
Whine on trolls, indeed
April 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another Governor, Another SD for BHO
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_on_el_pr/obama_endorsement;_ylt=AsEy7UDQgOEI6jZ4yMhZmYis0NUE
April 2, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Kos:
"As long-term supporters of the party, we have been singularly dismayed with your performance during the current Democratic presidential primary season," Mr. Lowy wrote.
This the same Lowy that has maxed out to John McCain, and someone who hasn't given a dime to the DNC this cycle? Yup. Just another big dollar donors upset that Dean isn't kissing his ass. And he's going to lecture Dean on party building as McCain cashes his checks?
I thik Kos is right -- this NYT story is garbage
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/2/1481/51962/494/488701
April 2, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Kos:
"As long-term supporters of the party, we have been singularly dismayed with your performance during the current Democratic presidential primary season," Mr. Lowy wrote.
This the same Lowy that has maxed out to John McCain, and someone who hasn't given a dime to the DNC this cycle? Yup. Just another big dollar donors upset that Dean isn't kissing his ass. And he's going to lecture Dean on party building as McCain cashes his checks?
I think Kos is right -- this NYT story is garbage
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/2/1481/51962/494/488701
April 2, 2008 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink