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George Stephanopoulos Responds To Obama, Defends Handling Of Debate

At some point amid the hailstorm of criticism that greeted ABC's handling of yesterday's Dem debate, moderator George Stephanopoulos received an email -- one of the many, many missives about the debate he's received -- from an Obama adviser.

"Feel like a candidate today?" the adviser asked.

In an interview with me moments ago, Stephanopoulos strongly defended his handling of the debate. He dismissed criticism that it had focused too heavily on "gotcha" questions, arguing that they had gone to the heart of the "electability" that, he said, is forefront in the minds of voters evaluating the two Dems.

"Overall, the questions were tough, fair, relevant, and appropriate," Stephanopoulos argued. And he rejected the claim by many Obama supporters that the debate had been stacked against him, saying Hillary had faced sharp questioning, too.

Today on the campaign trail Obama criticized ABC's handling of the debate, characterizing it as "the roll out of the Republican campaign against me in November."

Asked to respond, Stephanopoulos said that getting criticized "comes with the territory."

"Our job is to ask the questions," he said. "His job is to go out and win votes."

Asked to defend the fact that policy didn't come up for the first 40 or so minutes of the debate, Stephanopoulos said:

"We decided to focus at the top on the issues that had been at the center of the debate since the last debate. Everything we brought up in that front section had not come up since the last debate. And they all focused on the same theme -- which candidate would be a stronger Democratic candidate in Novembber."

"This is the core question for the campaigns, and a lot of Democratic voters right now. That's why we decided to lead with it."

Asked why we should presume that electability, rather than issues, was the dominant concern of many Dems right now, Stephanopoulos argued that it was a frequent topic of discussion on the campaign trail.

"People also take into account...how candidates handle controversy," he said. "That's what campaigns are about, as well."

Asked why the moderators had chosen to spend time on Wright, when Obama has repeatedly responded to questions about him, Stephanopoulos defended it by saying that Wright's most incendiary comments had come to light, and Obama's speech in response, had both come after the previous debate.

When I asked him whether asking about Obama's derelict approach to his flag lapel pin risked making it look like right-wing frames were dictating the line of questioning, Stephanopoulos said:

"Sure, there's a risk." But he added: "If you look at the fall campaign, there are some clear signals from Senator Obama's opponents that all of these issues are going to be put together in a general argument. They all go back to that same theme."

Stephanopoulos rejected the contention of many Obama supporters that the debate, with its focus on Wright and William Ayers -- not to mention that flag-pin -- was unduly stacked against Obama.

"The first series of questions to Senator Clinton were not questions she wanted to answer," he said. "The second series of questions were on credibility and honesty."

Asked whether his background as a political operative had resulted in too much of a focus on electability and on the candidates' handling of media "scandals," Stephanopoulos said:

"You can't help but be shaped by your experience," but he added: "I don't think it's unique to me. This is a conversation that Democrats and some Republicans are having every single day. It's not only, who will be the best president, but who has the best chance of winning."


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Wanker.

Stephanopoulos lies.

Lapel pins have not been on voters minds since the last debate. Wright was covered in it and nothing new was asked or answered last night.

The issue that is new since the last debate are Clinton's taxes, Bill and Penn's sell-out to Colombia and so forth.

They aren't half as clever as they believe.

At least Stephanopoulos won't be called a Judas by Carville.

This was a terrible showing by ABC journos. They went out of their way to dress this event up in the constitution-- quoting from the document after every commercial break, and surrounding the candidates with "We the people" banners. But they ran the debate more like an episode of Dancing With The Stars. Non-issues, superfluous questioning, and not a single word on timely constitutional issues: TORTURE, ILLEGAL SURVEILLANCE, SIGNING STATEMENTS, THE SPECTRE OF THE MILITARY TRAMPLING THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, and on and on and on. Bring back the League of Women Voters.

Oh, and enough already with the commercial breaks. It is ABC's civic duty to carry this kind of thing without trying to turn a profit. The fact that they can't find it within themselves to eat the cost of something as important as this makes me wonder just how much influence their corporate owners and advertisers have upon the content of their dismal broadcasts. Bring back Koppel. These guys are making a mockery of the profession.

To Steve LaBonne
Perfect description.

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Just your typical MSM pundit Babbitry. Only cloying morons and empty suits really thrive in the MSM market of flash graphics, commercials continually insulting to the viewer's intelligence, and everything reduced to a 10 second sound bite, if that.

Btw, look at the morons here who thought the debate was great. Hooting clothed apes. Unk unk.

Even if Steph believes his questions were in some way new or recent, he should be ashamed of himself for their pettiness because, if for no other reason, by focusing on knee-jerk questions like flag-waving, the discourse is dummied down to the point of complete impotence.

Stupid Americans who care about petty, meaningless issues help guarantee this country will never be run by anything but jabbering monkeys.

But at least the flag-pin crowd definitely has their candidate of choice: G. Stephanopoulos!

Why didn't you ask him why is took his cues from Hannity?

Seriously.

Or present him with the facts.

Hillary: Bosnia, Truthworthiness

Obama: Bitter-gate, Wright, Is Wright Patriotic, Lapel pin, Believing in the flag, Ayers.

That doesn't seem even.

I think you mean "trustworthiness." ^^ LOL

Is Hillary Clinton worthy of the truth??"

"SHE CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"

haha, dammit. Yeah.

Your candidate just has more to answer for maybe?

Should've asked him why he wasn't wearing a lapel pin

Or asking after he says, "You can't help but be shaped by your experience"...

"Do you think working for the Clintons 'shaped' your line of questioning last night?"

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So the excuse by Clinton's former paid staffer is that because the GOP are going to (again) try and distract voters with bullshit smears and non-issues instead of focussing on the real problems we face in the nation, we are going to do the same thing?

That is really the justification GS is going to hang his hat on?

"Do you love the flag"...? Are you shitting me?

Yeah,

"STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator, two questions. Number one, do you think Reverend Wright loves America as much as you do?"

What a douchebag hack.

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sure, it only took about 50 minutes to get to a policy question. tool.

You probably thought this was supposed to be a debate between the candidates on issues and policies. You didn't realize this was going to be a news show / press conference with reporters playing gotcha rather than asking questions that lead to candidates debating each other's position on things that matter.


"We decided to focus at the top on the issues that had been at the center of the debate since the last debate."

very Clinton of you, keep on doing what YOU think important for the republican party.

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Funny, I don't remember a single question about Columbia or Mark Penn, I wonder why that is?

Clearly Penn and Bill shilling for Colombia is not important.

Whether or not Obama thinks Wright is as patriotic as him is, though.

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Oh, I see.

A huge conflict of interest by the #1 campaign operative coupled with a huge conflict of interest by the husband of a candidate pale in comparison to something someone Obama knows said.

Golly, now that I put it like that it all makes sense.

Aren't you glad you have George Stephanopoulos to tell you what you care about?

Aren't you glad you have George Stephanopoulos to tell you what you care about?

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Exactly.

The MSM is filled with people just like Hillary. Extremely wealthy sellouts and triangulators who favor token social liberalism but are otherwise Wall Street Republicans on economic issues.

Hillary's chief campaign adviser is working for the Columbians to pass a trade deal Hillary is supposedly against, after Hillary claims she was against NAFTA even though Bill wrote it, pushed it on other Dems, and they both praised it for over a decade. The debate is in PA, a state hard hit by the lack of trade protections for the middle class.

But, hey, that's not important. Not to your MSM multi-millionaire pundit whores.

ABC is owned by Disney, a multinational conglomerate that owns several movie studios, cruise lines, hotels, and amusement parks around the world, and whose wealthiest shareholders benefit enormously from "free" trade deals. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with any large media conglomerates complete refusal to address middle class issues except in the most pandering and lowbrow ways around socially divisive sensationalism.

That is the crux of it. Because there was not Columbia question the idea of balance is out the window. It was a hit job on Obama and everyone knows it. If you wanted to know what a Faux News debate would have been like, now you do.

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"Our job is to ask the questions," he said.

What "job" is it you are talking about Georgie? As campaign spokesman for the Clinton cmapaign perhaps?

Worst.

Debate.

Ever.

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And why did bush never get that kind of grilling?

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Well because Bush could do nothing wrong, even when he was lying us into a war that has destroyed our military and our economy.

Duh.

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Yup... their job is to ask the questions... but some people get a pass. And others get nonsensical questions. Proves how poorly he does his job!

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Look at the bright side though: Now that these no talent ass clowns have asked about lapel pins and Obama's neighbors the Iraqis are finally greeting us with the flowers we were promised. Also the war is finally paying for itself. Finally.

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Wow, I missed that part! Or perhaps you're thinking of the funeral flowers the Iraqis have needed....

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Because Bush didn't have fund raisers at the house of admitted terrorists and never went to church and sang "GOD DAMN AMERICA!"

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Bush's grandfather was a traitor who did business with the nazis, but nobody asked him about it, did they?

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Really?

So the Bush clan never had shindigs with the bin Ladin clan in Saudi Arabia?

And FYI, nobody sang God Damn America.

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pretty sure SFC is a parody. i mean, we got stupid trolls here, but not that stupid.

You're right. He was too busy deserting.

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Setting aside the fact that it's a silly attack point, please show where that 1995 meeting at the Ayers house was a fundraiser for Obama. It was the meeting Alice Palmer called to tell folks she was going to run for Congress; she introduced Obama as her preferred successor. I've seen nothing saying it was a fundraiser for Obama.

Dancing Bear, there is a WHOLE LOT MORE to the William Ayers story than came out at the debate. This story has been circulating on the internet for almost 2 months, but no one in the MSM has deigned to mention it until ABC did last night. I say "BRAVO" to George & ABC-- it's about time this smooth-talkin' pretender was vetted.

For the full Ayers story, go to: http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8310

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Oh you mean the Rev Wright who gave up his College deferral and served 2 years in the Marine Corps? Which he followed up by becoming a Navy Corpsman for 4 years. He received letters of commendation from the president for his service. Yeah, what a prick!

Why didnt you ask him about going on Hannity? That is the question I think most of us Obama supporters want to know.

ditto

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I wonder how he'd like to do that on prime time tv! Have to stand up and take the heat for his behavior. With clips of his interruptions and so on. Questions about the whereabouts of his own flag pin!

How easy to just defend yourself on a phone call! I challenge the guy to defend himself on TV!!! With 2 questioners!

Stephanopoulos disconnect from the needs of Americans is just scary. We want to know about healthcare, education, Iraq, Iran, FISS and torture. He is a elitist.

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Elitist, exactly! NO humility at all! Such a sense of entitlement!

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It's interesting how you phrase that...very "campaign commercial" like... exactly what do you want to know about healthcare, education, Iraq, Iran, FISS and torture, that they haven't already repeated 1000 times on the campaign trail? You prefer a debate where they spout 1 minute campaign ads and cuts from their stump speaches?

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You could have 90 minutes and ask them specifics on how they would address K-12 and higher education reform alone.

What is their positions and governing philosophies on how much federal vs. state, vs. local on education. Get into he nitty gritty about how you pay for improving education, the pros and cons of standards, block grants vs. targeted programs, etc.

We could go for days about education alone on substance if the moderators chose to (and knew what they were talking about instead of being media hairdos).

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No one is going to do that, they won't sit down and spell everything out. Hell they don't even know how they'll pay for it. They'll just re-recite the same platitudes they do on the campaign trail...have you never seen one of these before?

"Sure, there's a risk." But he added: "If you look at the fall campaign, there are some clear signals from Senator Obama's opponents that all of these issues are going to be put together in a general argument. They all go back to that same theme."

So in other words, the right-wing smear machine says "jump", and you say "how high". Pathetic.

Couldn't agree more! When Obama is attacked by a fellow democrat, it lends credence to what would normally appear as bitter partisan attacks from the right-wing, come fall.

Not only do we make "the republicans" the center of our own debate, above Iraq, above the economy, above healthcare... but we give credibility in advance to their empty blather. Enough hiding behind the "he needs to be vetted" argument already!!!

George Stephanapolous is in the business of trying to make himself look good.

Last night, by most accounts, he failed that mission, miserably.

Now he's resorting to the type of Clintonian tactics he learned so well to justify his piss-poor moderating last night.

LOL!

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HOW THE FUCK IS A LAPEL PIN RELEVANT YOU STINKING GASBAG?!

Yeah, I'm pissed at that puff-haired slime ball. Sorry everyone.

"Do you believe in the flag"?!?!?!

Is the flag now in the same league as the Easter Bunny?

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LOL touché

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"Do you believe in the flag"?!?!?!

Believe in it? Hell, I've seen it!

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"We decided to focus at the top on the issues that had been at the center of the debate since the last debate."

Dude, that crap has "been at the center of the debate" because you jackasses make it so!

A reminder of this seems appropriate:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

He's not that wrong. For decades, there has been the perception that nonsense 'identity' issues have real power. Not surprisingly these 'issues' dominating the 'reporting' of the chattering classes. However, for the first time in years, the underlying fundamentals (botched war, recession) are so bad that the old rules might no longer apply. It usually takes the Washington CW 5 years to catch up with reality on the ground.

The best thing to come out of this debate would be if NOTHING changed in the polls, rendering these issues truly irrelevant. Plus, it doesn't bother me so much that Obama got an opportunity to respond to bogus garbage that was going to b dredged up in the general anyway. Let's show the Giggly High Schoolers (journalists) how completely out of touch they are by voting on issues that matter.

The best thing to come out of this debate would be if NOTHING changed in the polls, rendering these issues truly irrelevant
Thank you for that note of sanity.

Still, it was utter incompetence on the part of Gibson and Stephanopolous. The ABC political news team appears to be trying to do to political news what reality TV has done to prime time TV. This year's political coverage is analogous to replacing "Law and Order" with "Cops". Last night amounted to a nasty political version of E! - with no cute women.

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Utter incompetence? Er, isn't that what was said about GWB, all the while his buddies are making their fortunes off the Iraq misadventure and his other 'misgoverning'?

Try on the idea that these two moderators have prostituted themselves within some covert personal or shared power political games of their own, with parent ABC being complicit.

What they did, and called it a debate, smells really vile. And the root of evil still is what it has always been.

What

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Embarrassment.... I am done with ABC news.

Surely you don't think Katie Couric could have done better - although her syrupy voice sounds like a customer "service" agent on the phone trying to politely tell you they cut off your utilities by accident and aren't going to bother to send out a crew to get them going again.

And NBC? The three of what used to be real channels are now dumb, dumber and dumbest and they're fighting it out for the bottom rung. Every day they waste the public airways for a profit they steal money from us all.

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"Surely you don't think Katie Couric could have done better"


Before last night I'd have said, "No." Now, I'm not so sure. The real question is, "Could she do worse."

"You can't help but be shaped by your experience"-GS

Apparently Charlie Gibson wasn't shaped by any journalistic experience. But then maybe he's just a script reader. I'm not really an insider. I just think they might find moderators with a different set of priorities.

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"You can't help but be shaped by your experience"-GS

So because James Carville gouged out your eyes and had intercourse with your skull (metephorically speaking) in the 90s you feel the responsibility to pass on the skull fucking to 10 million viewers?

EEEEYYYAAAAGGGHHH! Bad visuals!

Are you sure this acid is clean?

LOLOLOL! Wow that just made me want to puke.

Excuse Me . . .
That was Prescott Bush. The skull was Gerionomo's. The skull-fucking was an initiation into Skull and Bones.
Let us not be confused!

Excuse me . . .
Make that Geronimo.

Excuse Me . . .
That was Prescott Bush. The skull was Geronimo's. The skull-fucking was an initiation into Skull and Bones.
Let us not be confused!

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"Everything we brought up in that front section had not come up since the last debate."

Huh? I'm sorry, but wasn't the VERY FIRST question about the "dream ticket?" Wasn't that question asked by Wolf Blitzer in the last debate?

Maybe my memory is bad...

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Embarassing. It was an embarassing debate last night, and George just doesn't get it.

I don't think there should be term limits on politicians. That's what elections are for. But I do think there ought to be term limits on political talking and writing hairdoes like George. Five years, then you have to go back to life in the actual world, rather than that fantasy land so many seem to be living in.

Then, possibly, George might be able to appreciate how shallow and superficial he actually is as a political commentator.

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"We decided to focus at the top on the issues that had been at the center of the debate since the last debate. Everything we brought up in that front section had not come up since the last debate. And they all focused on the same theme -- which candidate would be a stronger Democratic candidate in Novembber."

"This is the core question for the campaigns, and a lot of Democratic voters right now. That's why we decided to lead with it."

"Also, Sean Hannity told me to bring up the all-important Bill Ayers question that's on the lips of every real American, and to keep pressing on this critical issue. And I took notes from Sean. That's my job. Getting criticized for playing stenographer to Hannity just comes with the territory."

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I, for one, am delighted that they brought up the timely topic of someone who did something bad, or wanted to do something bad, forty freaking years ago. We needed that addressed, pronto.

That was two hours of my life I'm never getting back, and I'm never going to forgive ABC for that.

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You forget, CT voter, that Obama once went to his house, only seven years ago. And seven years ago was 2001, when 9/11 happened, which reminds me about Jeremiah Wright.

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And seven years ago was 2001, when 9/11 happened, which reminds me about Jeremiah Wright.

Holy crap! You're onto something...Let's see. Bill Ayers was bad. At some point. Somewhere. Obama knew him. And Jeremiah Wright. And then 9/11 happened. Therefore, Obama, Ayers and Wright were actually co-conspirators with the 9/11 attackers.

And none of them, and I mean NOT ONE, wears a flag pin. Q.E.D.

I think I could get work on Fox or ABC News now.

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See how easy it is??? Just unhinge your mind a little. And you too can be on prime time teevee!!

Think you could deal with the stench?

I could deal with it if I used the millions I made on LOTS of air freshener.

But I don't think I could buy enough not take it to Hell with me after being LIKE him.

Yeah, if we could just get to the bottom of the Ayers issue, we would solve once and for all the issue of high gas prices. Whew.

Anyone have his email address?

Sure, none of the Democratic issues were discussed, just "gotcha" questions. Fuck you, George.

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You never asked him about taking notes from Hannity, as a previous poster notes.

Also, I don't think you can really expect him to disown this performance, seeing as how he worked for the Clintons in the past. The interview you really should have had here was with the head of ABC News.

What a douchebag. Whatever his background, he has become just like the rest of the MSM -- ego-driven, self-absorbed, into money and out-of-touch.

Tell ABC your opinion if you like (sorry for posting this on several threads, just want more people to give feedback if they want to)

I feel your pain...way to go ABC. No MSNBC poor babies...

know what really sucks?

The only thing that came out of the debate is that Hillary concedes Obama can beat McCain.

LOL, even when she "wins", she loses.

Aryan Nation Troll loved watching the high tech lynching.

It's funny that you put the hammer and sickle in Obama's campaign logo, trying to imply he associates with communists.

Speaking of communists: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/hillary-and-the-commies_b_97131.html

Her connection to ACTUAL commies is a whole lot more credible than what you're trying to imply in regards to Obama.

If we're going to play this guilt by association game, where's the outrage that Bush's family is hip-deep involved with the Bin Laden family???

This faux outrage that Obama knows someone 40 years after their radical years is so hypocritical, especially taken into consideration that EVERY national politician at somepoint or another has been at a party with 'questionable' folk.

For example, there's no denying that Hillary did shots with someone that called his own wife a c*nt. Do you deny it? There's no denying that Hillary has stood side-by-side with someone that use a firearm (perhaps while intoxicated) and shot a friend in the face.

Does anyone believe that Hillary is a gutter-level sexist or supports drunken firearm use?

No...

...yet you're dumb enough to think that Obama isn't adult enough to discern his own views, that he HAS to support the views of everyone he's ever shaken hands with. At some point the realization is going to sink in that Hillary and Obama have campaigned together for 15 months now...and that if he's guilty by association, so is she.

Your double-standard sucks ass...

You'll feel the pain all right, when you witness Hillary Clinton out campaigning (through clenched teeth and muddy pantsuit, of course) on behalf of Barack Obama for president!

Simple answer to his BS.
If the goal was to explore all the silly controversies that arose since the last debate, there should have been a question about Mark Penn and Colombia.
Since there was not, I feel absolutely entitled to consider Stephanopoulos either incompetent or biased

Good point. Mark Penn would have been a hell of a lot more relevant question to ask about than 90 percent of the shit they threw up there.

I don't know much about the Clinton/Stephanopoulos dynamics but it must have been strange for him to find himself questioning her as a journalist after the years they worked together side by side. My vague sense is that the Clintons viewed Stephanopoulos' book after he left the White House a betrayal. Could it be he was trying to get back in their good graces, whether consciously or subconsciously? Like I said, I don't know much about this, but there must be some weird dynamic going on.

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Wow. After an avalanche of serious criticism (and not just from Obama supporters), all GS can offer is self-justification? Not even, "You know, maybe I need to review the tape."

Maybe these "players" need to be sent off to retreats from time to time, and especially right after they do these big "public service" gigs.

Retreats? Maybe - if they are the kind of retreats where they are sent to farms to do real manual labor for a few weeks at a time and not be allowed to wear $1000 suits.

Methinks you forget the first rule of politics. Never apologize. Stephanopoulous (not even attempting to get his name right) admits that he is shaped by his background: a political operative.

Republican and former Nixon administration official Ruckelshaus endorses Obama:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/17/watergate-era-republican-backs-obama/#more-6511

Ruckelshaus is one of the last of a dying breed: an honest Republican. He refused to obey Nixon's order during the "Saturday Night Massacre," and he restored some dignity to EPA after the scandals there early in the Reagan Administration. He's still doing environmental work at the age of 76.

Asshat.

Doesn't "Electability" mean "which candidate would you rather have a beer with?" Isn't that how Bush got elected? Look at how well that turned out.

All these talking heads just love the sound of their own voices. I could give a rat's ass if someone wears a lapel pin or not. In an election race that's been marred by shitty reporting, Stephanopoulos and Gibson outdid the rest of the sorry bunch.

Go back and ask George why he and Charlie did not allow Senator Obama finish his answers, like they allowed Senator Clinton. Ask George why he kept interrupting Senator Obama as soon as he started to answer a questions. Tell George to go back and listen to his "but but" stammering interruptions, of Senator Obama.

Ask George, what makes him think that he and Charley were there to debate Senator Obama. That is how they behaved.

Tell him to go back and listen to how rude and interruptive they were to Senator Obama, but not to Senator Clinton.

It's unfortunate that this interview even took place. I think, TMP, in some regard you have validated his performance last night with this. He didn't deserve this opportunity.

I dislike him even more after reading this. The audacity to defend that shithole debate is not something I can respect.

No, he deserves the opportunity. But, he blew that, too.

If Obama doesn't like the heat....take his sorry ass out the kitchen. Clinton has had the heat on her in every debate and all you haters had a good frickin time...now you cry like babies.....take it or quit.
Like you told her.....why don't you quit????? You can't close, why don't you quit?

Oh, he'll close the deal, don't you worry your pretty face about it.

You'll have a black man as your President.

How do you like them apples?

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Judging from the things Kefa has said in the past, it's going to drive Kefa nutty.

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That is a very short drive you're talking about.

How can you be driven to where you already live?

Kefa, promise us you won't disappear after he wins the nomination. Please, oh please, come back and share your thoughts as he takes the oath of office. My ability to enjoy those events won't be complete if I can't have your take on it.

The problem with the debate has nothing to do with the candidates. I didn't want to hear about Bosnia any more than I wanted to hear about f**ing flag pins and if I hear these guys get asked about the 'dream-ticket' one more time I am going to hurl. It is about the substance (or lack of)that are of issue regardless of which unfortunate candidate they were aimed at.

Oh, man, I agree! Wow, poor little Barry finally gets a little vetting, and his groupies go bananas! BRAVO GEORGE & CHARLIE & ABC!

I mean, do these Obamaniacs honestly think the job of President is just one, big, happy speech after another? Frankly, this dude just doesn't have the goods for the job, and last night's debate proved it.

RISE HILLARY RISE!

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I would rather believe that George Stephanpoulos is lying outright about last night's fiasco of a debate than think he actually believes the questions he and that idiot Charlie Gibson asked were "tough but appropriate."

That debate was a joke.

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What an asshat. What he did last night was inexcusable. And he took his cues from Sean Hannity?

How is any of that defensible?

This former and current Clinton apologist needs to have a size-14 work boot applied to his backside.

Now we all know who is really out of touch. Most voters I know are concerned about Iraq (you know our trooops are being killed over there), healthcare, gas prices, job loss, home loss, climate change to name a few issues.

For Georgie to think that we are more concerned about whether or not some is wearing a flag pin (which neither Hillary, George or Charlie were wearing) is insane.

PEOPLE ARE DYING, PEOPLE ARE LOOSING THEIR HOMES, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT GAS IN THEIR CAR OR BUY FOOD FOR THEIR FAMILY YOU FRICKIN IDIOTS!

Now we all know why Barack says we need to change the way things are done in Washington.

We decided to focus at the top on the issues that had been at the center of the debate since the last debate.

To quote Glenn Greenwald:

Our nation's coddled, insulated journalist class reaches these conclusions about what Regular Folk think using the most self-referential, self-absorbed thought process imaginable. The proof that the Regular People are interested in these things is that . . . the journalists themselves chatter about it endlessly.

She lied and she will tell the SDs she lied.

A liar?! Hillary Clinton!? I don't believe it.

My comment was in reference to Obama being able to win the GE. Of course Hillary lied, Barry O can't and won't win. The empty suit and his crybaby young supporters are going to be very disappointed.

A Clinton DC Superdelegate defected to Obama today.

She better get the word out about her lies asap.

Surprise! An African American city council member moved to Obama. If a white delegate changed from Barry O to Clinton that, it would be racist.

Has any SD defected from Obama to Clinton, ever?

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that would be a no.

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Hah, getting desperate I see. Anyway, a white SD moving to Clinton for Obama isn't something we need to worry about, since no SD has ever gone in that direction.

Where was her lapel pin!?!

Does George Stephanopoulos think the rest of the world is stupid?

Hey, George, just because you asked a candidate a question he/she didn't want to answer doesn't mean said question is relevant to anything outside of your own head.

Or Sean Hannity's head ... whichever the case may be.

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"It's not only, who will be the best president, but who has the best chance of winning."

That he distinguishes between these two conditions is telling.

Hey George,

I read "All Too Human." You're such a hypocrite.

I hope you never host a debate again.

Glenn Greenwald says it much better than I:

"Last night was a perfect microcosm of how our political process works. The Right creates stupid, petty personality-based attacks to ensure that our elections aren't decided on issues (where they have a decisive disadvantage). Media stars -- some due to sloth, some due to ideology, some due to an eagerness to please the Right and convince them how Good and Fair they are -- eat up the shallow trash they're fed and then spew it out relentlessly, ensuring that our political discourse is overwhelmed by it, our elections dictated by it. That happens over and over. It's how our media and our elections function. Last night was just an unusually transparent and particularly ugly expression of it."

Greenwald's piece is worth reading today.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

Democrats should quit going to debates that are moderated by TV personalities. Or journalists, if they could still find one.

Have teh candidates ask each other questions. That way the questioner can be held responsible for the questions he or she asks, just as the candidate is held responsible for the answers.

Have the debate run with a single camera using a crew that is not with the TV networks. Have the reporters watch on TV in another room. No special consideration for them except that they can bring their own coffee.

This goes beyond "Clinton" framing, this was *neo-conservative* and *Republican* framing, as Bob Cesca so bitingly brings up in his *dead-on*, cogent,editorial in the Huff Post today, titled: "The Very Serious Debate,Starring The Very Serious George and Charlie".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-very-serious-debate-s_b_97231.html

Here's the opening salvo of his editorial:

We like to joke about the "very serious" traditional media. The truth is that while they claim exclusive lordship over integrity and professionalism -- not to mention a corner on the world's supply of pants made of smarty -- they're really a freak show with serious haircuts and suits. They're a wing of the Republican corporatist conspiracy against America. And the very serious moderators of last night's Democratic debate couldn't have been less serious if they had been wearing clown suits made of dildos while simultaneously tickling each other with monkeys.

But... this was supposed to be a debate between the candidates not a press conference or an interview during a news show.

Check out the article “Barack’s “Underground” Friends” http://savagepolitics.com/?p=291


http://www.savagepolitics.com
brilliant writing plus it offers a great community in which to discuss. The editor actually takes time to answer and the political humor section is awesome!!!

A site that uses Wikipedia as a primary source.

Nice.

You could get a job as show prep for Sean Hannity.

I suggest the following course:

Right-Wing Recovery 101: Your head from a hole in the ground - Know the difference.

On Penn and Columbia were they vetted? Also, was Bill Clinton vetted on Columbia?
"electability" BULL!

Was Clinton vetted on NAFTA? And, how many times did she repeat the Bosnia misspeak before having known she misspoke?

Geraldine?

Seems a few questions were missed!

Been looking at this stuff since Kennedy and Nixon, this is the worst and it has no competition.

Greg,
You did your thing but this one is a fool or believes the population is asleep, out of touch for Stephanopoulos on this one is too generous.

Even if you accept the canard that Stephanopolous and Gibson were doing their duty by asking one 'electability' question after another for 45 minutes, it was still terribly one-sided. Clinton wasn't asked about Mark Penn and Bill talking to Columbia (important given how often we've been told free-trade is a big issue in Pennsylvania). She wasn't asked about Hillary's "screw 'em" attitude towards southern Democrats. She wasn't asked about a lot of things. But they had time to ask if Obama's former pastor was patriotic. And why Obama doesn't wear a flag pin (which I could swear he answered before the last debate).

I hadn't thought about it before, but you're right. If George really wanted to be "fair", why not ask Hillary about those things?

(Of course, I'd have preferred if neither candidate was asked these types of questions, but my preferences as a voter don't seem to matter to these mainstream media types.)

The inability of the people at ABC, Politico or the NYT see anything in the criticism but the carping of silly little bloggers and naive voters who don't really understand the way things are is the problem. It reminds me of nothing so much as the way Kit Seelye and Cici Connally defend their utterly indefensible coverage of Gore in 2000.

This advancing wall of dreck, this ever-rising tide of stupid shit, the focus on trivialities and gaffes and caricature, and the justification of that coverage by saying its what the Republicans will say later (without ever really feeling that the emerging frame of "what the Democrats will say" about McCain is even newsworthy) is destroying the Republic.

As I've looked around today, I've seen a lot of outrage from undecideds, a lot from Obama supporters and a lot from media critics of all strips. I've seen nothing but satisfaction and congratulation from Clinton supporters and Republicans.

I assume there's some sampling bias built in. I expect that most of the Clintonites who were also appalled are opting for silence under their ever present "ends justifies the means" analysis of the world. For all the ones expressing satisfaction (ususally accompanied by one of those semi-literate rants with all the randomly capitalized words we've come to know so well), however, I've got to wonder how it is that they have so neatly excised their recollection of their rage and dispair about this kind of thing back when Bill was in the White House.

As I've looked around today... I've seen nothing but satisfaction and congratulation from Clinton supporters and Republicans.

To be very fair, Another_Reader and EastWest (both Clinton backers) both commented on the poor quality of ABC's moderators and questions. Their honorable exceptions deserve notice.

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George, who is more patriotic, you or Jerry Springer?

(At least he is honest that his work is trash)

Greg did get him here; Springer is a bit much!

Plus Jerry Springer probably would have made a better governor of Ohio (he ran in '82 on a progressive platform and might have won if not for his own version of whore-gate) than George's man, Bill Clinton, was as president.

"Asked why we should presume that electability, rather than issues, was the dominant concern of many Dems right now, Stephanopoulos argued that it was a frequent topic of discussion on the campaign trail."

The little fella is right, electibility is a frequent topic of discussion on the campaign trail. Although I think the discussion is mainly coming from and being encourage by the media. The media has chosen the electibility factor as their narrative of choice.

Oh, George misspoke. He meant to say "Irrelevant, inappropriate, RNC talking points and pinheaded."


And then commit seppuku.

Funny, ABC had a story about Hillary Clinton saying "Screw Em" to working-class whites in 1995 on their web site last night. So ABC had that info prior to the debate commencement. Why didn't Georgie Porgy ask about THAT tidbit in the first 50 minutes. I'm sure Pennsylvanians would have been VERY interested. Or, as has been stated, why not ask about NAFTA and the Columbia Trade Deals? Why not ask about Bill Clinton's library, and it's mysterious donors? Aren't some of them involved with China's crack-down in Tibet?

If one is talking about "electability", why not ask about the SUCCESS of Obama's campaign, about him raising record amounts of money. About all the new voters he's bringing into the fold? Why not focus on accomplishments?

Fuck Georgy Porgy. That, my dear, was a MF'n hit.

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Actually ABC's Jake Tapper had that story last year on his blog, but of course that would be back when GS was working for Clinton so that no doubt would be out of bounds, unlike the dictation from Sean Hannity that GS dutifully took and then vomited at the debate last night.

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george's dominatrix is really gonna let him have it tonight.

that's going to bring a smile to my face for days! Thank you!

You can call and ask for Charlie and George's voicemail (0.00 / 0)
I did and told exactly how despicable and trashy what they passed of as journalism last night. Then I did the same with the president of ABC news. his name is DAVID WESTIN. call the following number. Be polite and tell them that you will no longer patronize their sponsors until they apologize and fire Charlie and George

212-456-7777

If they try and transfer you to some bullshit comments line, tell them no way. Call back. It took me 6-7 time to get through to them but I did. Enough is Enough

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George, ABC staff, I am certain your are reading this, especially since you gave an interview to the non mainstream news blog.

BULL HOCKEY...You know better, the trivial ranker of where the campaign has gone as the press has guided it, for their own purposes.

George and Co., the thing is what you discussed was not what the electorate is interested in, and now your credibility is being questioned as rightfully it should

Look who George always has as constant panel member. The panel is a mix of different pundits; with one exception; George Will. He is always right there with George.
That is all you need to know about which way the wind is blowing on ABC.

Delusional. Delusional. Delusional. Delusional. Delusional. What planet does his ass live on?

I prefer "out of touch". Or perhaps "elitist".

Stuffinenvelopes is a tool, plain and simple.

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There were better questions when ABC hosted The Battle of the Network Stars.

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Mr. Stephanopoulos, with all due respect, this is such garbage. You don't get elected by talking about how electable you are. You do it by either clearly making the case to the electorate that you'd be a better leader, or by distracting people with penne-ante picayune non-issues like flag lapel pins or inflating some throwaway comment into something it isn't.

The press has a responsibility to use your agenda setting power to make sure elections are decided on the former, not the latter. Last night was an embarrassment.

How long are you going to whine about Obama getting his butt kicked?

Lets unite with the fighter Clinton and crush their candidate mcwar.

Hey gotalife, she lost the nomination get over it. Go change your name and start bashing Obama and praising McCain, we already know thats what your going to do when she concedes anyways.

Clinton is going straight back to the senate, with mud on her pantsuit.

Clinton lost the nomination when she voted for the war in Iraq. Not only did she lose the nomination, created the political vacuum that Obama stepped into.

Hillary is toast, and she has no one except herself to blame.

I think George should change his name to Richard Head ... but you can call him Dick.

As a former Clinton staffer, he should not have been a moderator. It's such an obvious conflict of interest. I didn't think ABC could be that stupid but they obviously are.
And when you even have Hillary supporter Ed Rendell complaining about how unfair the gotcha stuff was to Obama in the first hour of the debate, then you know ABC really, really blew it.

The person who leasts benefits from this fiasco ? Clinton ! It's like she wasn't even in the debate. It was as if Charlie was having to have a mano a mano arm wrestling match with Obama. And as for the capital gains tax issue, come on ! How many blue collar Pennsylvanians can relate to that ?

They weren't pro Obama or pro Hillary, the debate was pro republican, Obama got hit more because he is the Democratic nominee. The entire debate was to help republicans.

Agreed. The reverence paid to John McCaveman was astounding.

Actually, I disagree. They were decidely anti-Obama -- which meant, by default, they were pro-Clinton. But not because they think she can/will win, but because, as you said, they are really PRO-McCAVEMAN.

It would be "tough, fair, relevant, and appropriate" to subject George Stepfordwifeopolous to water-boarding, homelessness, post-traumatic stress disorder, Katrina-like flooding, and Abu Ghraib photo sessions in order to help him refocus on the issues that should be at the center of the national debate.

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Did you mean to subject me to laugh torture?

Did Obama really describe last night's debate as "the roll out of the Republican campaign against me in November." My god, he's playing the victim role! What is he thinking??? The only people that kind of approach will appeal to are his strong supporters. Everyone else will see it as him first acknowledging how poorly he performed, second as him trying to shift blame, and thirdly as him saying it was somehow unfair. Are the voters supposed to cast a sympathy vote because a candidate is being treated meanly?

Stephanopoulos is completely right in saying that they focused at first on the issues upon which the campaign has been focused of late. If Obama had handled the questions well you would all be rejoicing today instead of looking for ways to blame ABC for his poor performance.

And the fact that so many Obama supporters joined the chorus of complaining about ABC doesn't mean that ABC did anything wrong. It means that Obama didn't do well, and a lot of people are really upset about it.

And Stephanopoulos is also correct that tough questions were thrown at Hillary. Part of the reason so many Obama supporters perceive the debate as unbalanced is because Hillary wasn't thrown by the questions, and answered them so well while maintaining poise, and even her sense of humor. Obama on the other hand didn't answer most questions well, was thrown off balance, became annoyed, occasionally looked bewildered or angry, and even offered a defense that is proven false. (The gun questionnaire.) So because Hillary did so well, Obama supporters prefer to think that she had it easier. No, she just handled it better.

And please, do we really believe the Jeremiah Wright issue has gone away? Do we really believe that Obama answered that question to the satisfaction of all? Do we really see that as a dead issue? A black man running for President who is tightly associated with a man with views like Jeremiah Wright's? Please!

And most importantly of all, Stephanopoulos is absolutely correct when he says that these are issues Obama will face against the Republicans. And that is at the root of all the Obama supporters' worry about last night's debate. Last night Obama finally faced tough questions, and he wilted under fire. Sorry, folks. You can try to deflect and redirect all you want. Under fire Obama did poorly.

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So are you suggesting the GOP strategy against Obama will not be about mindless non-issues like flag-pins and other "gotcha" bullshit?

"And Stephanopoulos is also correct that tough questions were thrown at Hillary."

Incorrect Mein Fuhrer.

What wasn't Hillary asked? I dunno, maybe something Mark Penn and Columbia. If digging up the past is fair games, then what about Travelgate and Vince Foster?

Personally, on health care, I'd ask Hillary "Since you fucked it up so badly last time, what would you do differently to insure that you don't fuck it up again." Or something like that.

Oh yeah, Hillary defended Black Panthers. People who killed cops. And the law firm she clerked at in Berkeley that defended the Panthers, the name partner was at that time a professed Communist.

Oh yeah, I can only imagine Republican research teams digging through the Nixon impeachment hearings. Hill worked on that as well.

And just wait until the slander that she is a Lesbian comes full force. If she's the nominee, I'll bet you that at least 10% of those polled with believe she's a lesbian. So will that be an appropriate question at a debate?

The problem with you Hill-bots is that all you are so fearful of Republicans, hell, fearful about life, that Hill's victimization pathos has infected her entire base, and you see nothing, nothing but fights, fights, fights, battles, battles, battles. When you vote for McCain, you feel right at home in the Party of Fear. I wonder how the Taylor Marsh types will feel after McCain appoints two Supreme Court justices and not only Roe but Griswald is overturned.

Probably won't care since they are too old the bear children and too ugly to have sex.

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"Probably won't care since they are too old the bear children and too ugly to have sex."
Hey, that is exactly what a lot of Clinton women supporters are saying, over at Marshland.......well, not about 'too ugly' but about too old to care about Roe vs Wade, so that justifies voting for McCain.....their huff and puff reasoning goes.

If HRC finds it strategic to complain about getting the first question (during a debate no less!) then I think we can safely say that Obama is wise to critique the format. In fact, he'll probably raise a lot of money from ABC's performance last night.

Perhaps this is a critical mass we needed to reach in order to get to the real issues?

Obama should require that the debates with McCain be run with each candidate questioning the other. No moderator with questions.

That way the person who asks the question will be held responsible for the questions he asks, unlike when members of the Beltway bandit media asks the questions.

And I don't think that McCain could phrase decent policy questions even with rehearsal, either. There's a reason he was sixth from the bottom of his class at Annapolis.

Bravo, Otto F-- right on the money.

Hillary did stand up to what was thrown at her. She's one tough woman to still be standing after months and months of bashing by Obama, his supporters and most of the other media.

Obama is toast.

RISE HILLARY RISE!!!!

Actually, I was watching an Obama town hall meeting today and the audience members asked much better and more intelligent questions than last night's moderators. I say we chuck the debates altogether and just air Town Halls.

Thank you, George Hannity, for providing a textbook example of what's wrong with today's media. Luckily you did such a good job of it that Obama will be able to pivot off of your "performance" and turn it into a plus.

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"Obama's derelict approach to his flag lapel pin"...?

So now it is a requirement to wear flag lapel pins or be "derelict"...?

So is Obama unfit to be President if he doesn't have a "God Bless America" magnetic yellow ribbon on his car as well?

Are you fucking shitting me?

Drink some more GOP faux patriot cool-aide Greg, ya fuck nut.

G.W. Bush wears a flag lapel as he wipes his ass with the Constitution.

Dick Cheney -- who should be under the jail -- has an American flag pin shiny as Fuck!

And what?

Compared to them, Barack Obama is George Motherfucking Washington!

Jesus, I'm glad someone said it. I'm coming late to the party, and that line just freaken jumped out at me!

What in the hell do you mean, "derelict approach to his flag lapel pin"? That's not Stephanopoulos' description, that you characterizing Obama's stand on overt nationalism masquerading as patriotism.

For your information, although I'm sure you're already aware: derelict (dĕr'ə-lĭkt')
adj.

1. Deserted by an owner or keeper; abandoned.
2. Run-down; dilapidated.
3. Neglectful of duty or obligation; remiss.

Which one of those meanings where you trying to convey by describing Obama not wearing a flag lapel pin as "derelict"? I can only assume that you feel that it's every Presidential candidate's duty to wear an American flag lapel pin.

I don't like to see you guys take heat unduly, but in this case, you are again, blatantly choosing to frame this issue from the Right. Are you angling for a job with ABC, or perhaps you'd be more comfortable with FOX?

It's revealing that the Clintonbots think this wingut-trivia festival was a good debate and that objecting to a Democratic debate sock-puppeteered by Sean Hannity is "whining". That of course is because they're delusional enough to think she "won". Actually all she did is to drive her sky-high negatives higher still.

In an interview with me moments ago, Stephanopoulos strongly defended his handling of the debate. He dismissed criticism that it had focused too heavily on "gotcha" questions, arguing that they had gone to the heart of the "electability" that, he said, is forefront in the minds of voters evaluating the two Dems.

Steffi, just say: I am a poopyhead and live in Hannity's pocket. Sorry about last night. I was drunk on McCain/Clinton Unity 08 kool-aid.

Barack Obama in The Audacity of Hope

What's troubling is the gap between the magnitude of our challenges and the smallness of our politics — the ease with which we are distracted by the petty and trivial.

yeah.

"We decided to focus at the top on the issues that had been at the center of the debate since the last debate. Everything we brought up in that front section had not come up since the last debate. And they all focused on the same theme -- which candidate would be a stronger Democratic candidate in November."

And not ask anything on Iraq, the economy, health care costs, torture, or anything else that might actually be on voters' minds. You know, the sort of question that the League of Women Voters might have asked, because it would help voters decide.

George, I have news for you: you're a fool. What you were doing was showing which candidate the GOP would prefer having.

Utter bs. Ever since this race began, I've been waiting for HRC to be asked a substantive question on her husband's role in Clinton 43 White House. This would be especially pertinent with the revelations since the last debate of the Clintons' astronomical income (mostly from Bill's "speeches"), his receipt of $800M from Colombia, and Clinton's receipt of Library donations in lieu of fees.

Not one debate moderator has dared go there, surely out of fear of losing access to Bill.

Stephanopoulos is a talking head, not a journalist. He rattled off the questions I am sure he was told to ask. Its the producers of the show who were hoping to embarrass the canidates and get a moment they could replay over and over again who are really to blame.

CBS New isn't a news department, its an entertainment division.

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ABC....not CBS

Why didn't you hit him on Sean Hannity? What about the fact he owes his career to Bill Clinton?

Oh George you amaze us. Your explanations are as short as you are tall. If you and your sidekick, Mr. Wear a flag pin Charlie, had an integrity you would resign and join a monastery immediately.

Dear Charlie 'n' George (and all your TV pals):

Not this time.

Love,
Cairdin

Hi George
Pitiful. Both your perfomance last night and your attempted justifications today were truly pitiful.

The so called "debate" was the last time I'll ever watch ABC "News". I'll just watch Entertainment Tonight instead.

What a weasle. He wrote an insiders tell-all book while the Clintons were still in the White House. He has George Will on as the one permanent commentator on his Sunday morning show (the George & George Show?) And he honestly believes he's some kind of journalist. What a weasle joke.

He says it is what is being talked about on the campaign circuit. This is telling in that he has his head so far down in the insider toilet bowl that he does not comprehend the intelligence of
the American citizens.
Charlie is just an asshole.

Delusional. It's that inside the beltway (Clinton) bubble. He can't even comprehend that only people like HIM, Hillary and the right wing loons want to focus these issues in s DEMOCRATIC primary.

And even IF we take him at his word, Hillary was NOT subjected to equal treatment. One question honesty relating to sniper fire and they just let her answer go without digging deeper.

how many times did they continue to go deeper on Wright becuase they didn't get him to slip up?

Georgie is FULL OF SHIT.

I'm sorry, George, but there's no defending this. To say these were the topics of interest since the last debate is disingenuous. I know you are just not that simple. You are well aware what garbage those questions were.

And you and your colleagues give that garbage relevance because you continue to bring it up - not because it's what voters care about.

It's a self fulfilling prophesy: If I talk about it a lot, it will get in the news. If it's in the news, it's important. If it's important, I need to talk about it a lot.

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That's why this topic really belongs at The Muck!!!

This is media muck - is what it is! Pure and simple Muck!!!

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Yep, circular reasoning writ large.

Pundit Elites: "Look, here's a big bag of nonsensical flaming poop to throw at a candidate."

"News" Consumers: "Can you believe they are peddling this a big flaming bag of nonsensical poop...?"

Pundit Elites: "Gee, everyone is talking about the the big flaming bag of nonsensical poop..."

Elite "moderator": "Hey candidate, don't you think people are right to question your patriotism since people are concerned about what people other than yourself said which sounds like wanting America to be covered in flaming poop?"

Voters: "Can we please talk about something relevant to being President and how they will fix our deteriorating education system, housing and financial collapse, getting out of a war we were lied into, tackle global climate change, and you know, actual problems and issues?

Elite "moderator": "Hey I am just asking the tough questions people have been talking about"

The decades old GOP stratagem of distractions successfully catapulted into the media to keep people from talking about real issues and solutions... mission accomplished!

you are so damn right on the mark.

George:

On Sunday, have acrobatic coitus with Cokie while George Will watches.

Now that you're in the entertainment bidness, that is.

Jesus Christ! I could have gone my whole life without that image in my head. Thanks.

Politicans and pundits care about who will win. Voters care about who will be the best president. That's the difference. For people inside the Beltway, politics is a game, with no real consequences. For those of us outside the Beltway, it's all about consequences -- our lives, our money, our health-care, and, in the case of war, our lives and deaths.

Clinton had it wrong. Obama is not an elitist. Everyone in Washington is an elitist. They've long ago forgotten that politics is only a means, not an end.

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After my township Democratic party meeting last night, I came home and watched the end of the Cubs-Reds game. So, what'd I miss...?

Best Post of Thread. And the answer is...you missed nothing.

George,

Why don't you respond to this?

"When George Stephanopoulos left the Clinton White House and went straight to ABC News, he had never worked as a reporter - not in newspapers, nor on radio, nor on television. His only career experience was as a political hack, whose job in politics was to manipulate the media, hide the facts, and spin, spin, spin."

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1074#comments

Well the Mark Penn controversy occurred since the last debate, in in the past two weeks in fact, but we did not hear about that. Yet Ayers, which no one was talking about, was dug up.

I think George Stephanopoulos misspoke.

Oh and since when does popular opinion determine the news. If we go down that route then the standings in American Idol would...oh wait, never mind.

Terrorist endorsers flip-flop

One of the web's stranger running franchises is the conservative site WorldNetDaily's "Terrorists Endorse" theme, a readymade attack on the Democrat in the news.
Congratulations Barack Obama from his terrorist fan club.

Hamas terrorists make 2008 U.S. presidential pick

In '04 it was Kerry. And in '08, we were told they'd settled on Hillary.

But no! Mileage having run on that one apparently, here comes the inevitable Obama endorsement.

Yousuf said that in Hamas' view, Obama has "a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with humiliation and arrogance."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61631

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WorldNutDaily?

ROFLMAO

Why not the National Enquirer or the Midnight Globe while you are at it?

GOPNutDaily: "Bat Boy endorses Obama!"

Marginal Player: "'Barry' is unelectable because he cavorts with mutant human eating freaks1"

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What an idiot.

Electability isn't on the voter's mind, it's the argument the Clintons want to be on the superdelegate's mind.

Voters don't give a crap about that process nonsense. They know that the country is in trouble and they want to hear what the candidates are going to do about it. Pennsylvania voters who turned in hoping to hear issues that matter to them discussed heard Obama at least attempt that, and heard Hillary nattering on about nonsense.

What a disaster.

You know, I rolled my eyes when I heard Obama and Clinton were going to speak at a "Compassion Forum" at Messiah College this weekend, thinking it would be fluff when weighed against a "real" debate on Wednesday. But as it turns out...

You know, I rolled my eyes when I heard Obama and Clinton were going to speak at a "Compassion Forum" at Messiah College this weekend, thinking it would be fluff when weighed against a "real" debate on Wednesday. But as it turns out...

Stephanopolous "strongly defended" his questions?

That merits a strong response. I wont' do chapter and verse on that now.

But Gibson and Stephanopolous carried out a coordinated tabloid-style hatchet job last night.

And NONE of his excuses can account for his decision to a) dwell on baseless 'gotcha' smear tactics, which were b) posed at the expense of legitimate issues, which were never addressed.

Of course candidates must be able to withstand criticism. But Sen. Obama already did that, as voters recognized the Rev. Wright smear was just that---a smear, and one Obama handled effectively, no less.

To bring it up again, after it's blown over, isn't just irresponsible---it's a hatchet job.

The tone and bias of the questions made that crystal clear. Stephanopolous was really asking:
> 'How long has your pastor hated America?'
> 'How long have you been consorting with known terrorists? [get it? They're blurring Obama's identity---funny name, is he from here really, and now, pssst! he knows terrorists!

Knowing Will Ayers means absolutely ZERO. A hundred thousand UW students have bought juice or smoothies from Karleton Armstrong's juice stand on Madison's Library Mall---does that make them known associates of a convicted bomber???

This is absurd.

Stephanopolous never nails right-wing pastors for damning America. He NEVER damns George Bush's lack of patriotism. Or asks why he wears the flag but perverts and betrays the Constitution.

We spent 50 minutes without a single policy question, endured cheap smears about lapel flags---and Stephanopolous wants to maintain he was "just doing his job?" Sounds like a "good German" to me; they said the same thing. I was only following orders.

This was clearly coordinated. The questions were clearly strongly biased to smear Dems as ridiculous and unrealistic. And it was clearly designed to avoid critical substantive issues like the economy and the Occupation of Iraq.

Worse, they were designed to revive previous baseless 'gotcha' attacks that had failed miserably, and drag them out as long as possible on national television.

Why else would ABC black-out/limit use by other broadcasters? Duh. Not bright.

George Stephanopolous has a lot to apologize for. He's a political operative. That's been obvious for years. But nothing can repair what's left of his reputation.

You can have my lapel pin when you pry it off of my cold dead suit.

This blog focuses primarily on "gotcha" bullshit. Why the double standard?

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OT: Since he really is dead now, can we take Charlton Heston's guns?

his reputation destroyed IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Thank you for the laugh Idiotic! Most of the day I've felt like putting my head in the oven.

Georgy Porgy, did you know there was a WORLD FOOD CRISES GOING ON! People are eating DIRT COOKIES in Haiti to avoid starving to death! Ask about that instead of some dumb fucking pin!

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I have to hand it to Snuffleupagus.

Most people wouldn't be able to speak nearly as clearly or use such big words while having a mouth full of Republican penis.

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Just to clarify, I'm pretty sure that in order to have "a mouth full of Republican penis" you'd be talking about more than one penis.

I have a couple of points here:

1.) George is a member of the media and is susceptible to the media's reporting on the media. I am not excusing him, but you know that those right-wingers like Hannity are dying to go after George for not being "tough" on Obama.
2.) Obama is a front runner and front runners are always more closely scrutinized.
3.) The big problem with the debate, in my view, is that people watch this petty stuff. Seriously. Does anyone think that there's going to be anything substantive in a Democratic debate after they've had 20 such other debates?
4.) Obama shouldn't debate anymore -- at least until before the June 3 primaries. If people haven't seen him by now, they're not voting for him in Penn, Ind, and NC.

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Whatever. Blah blah blah. ABC is irrelevant.

Yeah, these are topics that 'people' are talking about - but not voters, the talking heads of the MSM. The same morons that have been cramming this sh*t down our throats for months now.
ENOUGH!

Its his JOB to ask questions about the issues! I don't mind a question or two about other stuff but geez a friggin HOUR? He has a lot to answer for.

ABC is on the offensive. Obama just spoke to an audience in NC about the debate. Here's his take:

"It took us 45 min before we even started talking about a single issue that matters to the American people...45 minutes before we heard about healthcare, 45 min before we heard about Iraq, 45 min before we heard about jobs, 45 min before we heard about gas prices."

So what is ABC's headline? "Obama Attempts to Brush Off Tough Debate". Tough debate? Try "Obama Points Out That ABC Not Ready to Discuss Anything of Substance".

Tell George Clinton Barack's gonna tear the roof of this motherfucker!

tear the roof OFF, I meant to say

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George Stephanopoulos works for the company that produced Path to 9/11, a veiled attempt to tarnish Bill and Hillary Clinton. That company also worked to undermine labor and screenwriters and now frames questions like a Fox News hit man? How the mighty have fallen.

Jesus "Hannity Talking Points" Christ! Where's my flag pin?

Shame on ABC for allowing a former Clinton staffer to moderate this debate. His bias was all too obvious, and it has damaged the network, hopefully beyond repair.

He may have taken his cue from Hannity, but I think he gave a heads-up to Hillary on the Ayers
question. She was pretty well informed on the fact that they served together on some committee.
It would not surprise me to learn that someone whispered in her ear that Ayers would come up. Color me cynical.

In the same vein, Obama was ready with a response: bringing up the presidential pardons of 2 ex-members sure shut her up.

QUICK!

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George:
Electability is a Hillary theme. Where is its basis in reality?

You have built McCain into a tiger that he is NOT. Look where McCain and the public stands on the war and the economy. The Democratic candidate is mightily electable over McCain.

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The only way McCain can get elected is if his media cheerleaders (Go, Maverick!) successfully obscure his actual positions and statements.

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I cannot adequately express the depth of my rage at the ABC moderators AND Hillary Clinton for what they are doing to my country. They have no idea how lucky they are that emails and comments can only convey thoughts.

Count me as one person who says he won't vote in November if Clinton is the nominee and means it. Far better to let McCain bring the whole shebang to a well-deserved end than to extend its life any longer.

Obama, on the other hand, can make a real difference. I will crawl through broken glass to cast my vote for this true American.

In case anyone hasn't seen Obama's remarks on the Debate, here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlR9DNfqGD4

My apologies if this has already been posted.

Obama is brilliant. Thanks for posting the video.

Thank you - this was wonderful. Every time I see him speak like this I'm struck by what a rare opportunity we have in this man.

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I cannot adequately express the depth of my rage at the ABC moderators AND Hillary Clinton for what they are doing to my country. They have no idea how lucky they are that emails and comments can only convey thoughts.

Count me as one person who says he won't vote in November if Clinton is the nominee and means it. Far better to let McCain bring the whole shebang to a well-deserved end than to extend its life any longer.

Obama, on the other hand, can make a real difference. I will crawl through broken glass to cast my vote for this true American.

Stephanopoulos said,

"Everything we brought up in that front section had not come up since the last debate. And they all focused on the same theme -- which candidate would be a stronger Democratic candidate in November...That's why we decided to lead with it."

I call bullshit.

First, George applies twisted logic when he claims that debate moderators should throw any media controversy that ever comes up into a debate format. "Yeah...we know the voters are weeks past the Bosnia thing, but they haven't actually debated it yet."

Second, assuming his pretzel logic that these controversies, already beaten to death, should be debated made sense (it doesn't), is that a defense for disgraceful questions about flag pins and whether Rev. Wright loves America as much as Obama does?

Third, I don't remember the Weather Underground coming up since the last debate (but then again, I don't watch the Faux News channel).

Fourth, George didn't apply his own stated standard (if you can call it that) of bringing up controversies that "had not come up since the last debate". If true, then where was talk about Mark Penn and his client, the right-wing Columbian government accused of human-rights violations? Where was talk about millions of unaccounted revenues in the Clinton tax returns? Where were questions about Geraldine Ferraro? Where were the questions about the White House records that showed that Hillary was a NAFTA cheerleader? Where were the questions about the Hillary's "screw 'em" remark?

Finally, George's nonsense that the questions focused on which candidate would be a stronger candidate in the fall implies that the ABC is planning on making the Dems play on the Republicans' playing field where the only issues that matter are the issues that Fox News claims are important.

Fuck you, George!

Hey Hillary Supporters... you can now officially quit your pissing and moaning.

ABC addressed all your imaginary grievances and whines of "Clinton hating" last night and put them to rest with their tag-team Obama bash. You crybabies have nothing to bitch about anymore. Obama got the lynching you've all been shrieking and braying for.

Now you losers will have nothing whatsoever to cry about when the Bride Of Frankenstein In A Pantsuit gets her fat ass whupped and sent to the dustbin of history with her lying, sexual predator husband .

Relevant my ass, you pathetic little Fox News worm.

So which one again was the Nedermeyer obsessed with flag pins, Chuck or Boy George?

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Get these so-called news organizations out of the "debate business". Give them back to the League of Women Voters or some such org. Modern American media isn't equipped to handle anything but tabloid journalism and they don't even recognize that fact.

I'll be interested to see, going forward, how ABC news does in the long run. Network news is in a bit of flux these days and it seems that, losing this much respect at once is a pretty big deal, especially when respect is your stock in trade.

I know I'll be skeptical about ABC for a long, long time after this, and my relationship with Fox News is any indication (I literally never even test the waters anymore, not even a passing curiosity), then that's a lost viewer for ABC. One less choice to make on Sunday morning, which is welcome actually.

In case anyone hasn't seen Obama's remarks on the Debate, here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlR9DNfqGD4

My apologies if this has already been posted.

I'll be interested to see, going forward, how ABC news does in the long run. Network news is in a bit of flux these days and it seems that, losing this much respect at once is a pretty big deal, especially when respect is your stock in trade.

I know I'll be skeptical about ABC for a long, long time after this, and my relationship with Fox News is any indication (I literally never even test the waters anymore, not even a passing curiosity), then that's a lost viewer for ABC. One less choice to make on Sunday morning, which is welcome actually.

I see why poor george's show is the lowest rated on Sunday.

To: Barak Obama
From: George Stephanopoulos

Quit whining a grow a pair!


And the same goes for all of you other Obamessiah acolytes. If your candidate is going to continually insert his foot is his mouth, he has to expect this kind of questioning. If he can't handle it now, his is going to get his ass kicked in the general. Deal with it!

It's interesting how people like this so often make reference to Obama as the messiah, the saviour, the chosen one.

I realize it's meant as a put down (it's not a butle point), but it always says something about the person making the insult, the way in which they actually say it.

I haven't quite figured out the connection, the link between Obama haters and their use of religious language in expressing that hate. Any theories?

Why? You haven't dealt with your retardation.

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Yawn

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George, I hope this English statement is simple enough that the message gets through.

We don't care about what the chattering classes consider 'electability'. You've already established that you are completely out of touch with America.

$200,000 is middle income? I wish.

I wanted to hear about real issues -- what's going to happen with our economy? How are the candidates going to approach the Middle East? Not just Iraq. How are they going to deal with the fallout of the weak dollar and the devolution of the financial markets? What are they going to do about bankruptcies, especially given the very hostile to consumers bill that was pushed through by the credit card companies and those legislators beholden to them?

I DO NOT CARE ABOUT FLAG PINS. They will in no way affect my decision on who is best for the future of our country. I don't care if Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and all the rest of the right-wing loudmouths talk about if for the rest of the year. IT WAS NOT NEWSWORTHY. Questions like that and the rest of the outright crap that you and Charles Gibson pushed during the first half of the debate do not matter.

Just get that through your head and you may be able to save your reputation as a journalist.

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The issue isn't that the debate focused mostly on Obama or that it was "tough on Obama". That's fine with his supporters I'm sure. Some of these things will be brought up. It was the stupidly vapid gotcha level of so many of the questions.
It is so elitist on the part of ABC to think that the American people don't want to hear/can't understand a reasoned and adult debate on substantive issues. And that George knows this is the kind of issue that is on everyone's mind. Yes these issues are topics in the echo chamber of right wing talk radio and his good pal Hannity. Instead, we're fed superficial flash points right out of a gossip magazine.
Next it will be Clinton and only her comments in 1995 about white working class people, V Foster, Pork futures, Monica, and all the old issues. And in the fall it will be about McCain and only his friendship with a blond lobbyist, his gambling/partying in Vegas, and other important "issues". All the while the security of the US at stake.
This was an example of two DC, country club & Palm restaurant going, elites who wanted to "talk at the level of" the American people and in the process proved to America that they're clueless about what "little people" are able to hear. Or as Gibson apparently thinks..people making 200K dollars a year make an average salary...pathetic. ABC should be ashamed.
This is not a partisan issue or pro or anti-Obama. It's an example of elite media thinking that when they talk on "our simple tabloid level of politics" they can only talk about these stupid issues. George should be fired and work for his old boss. If it can be proven that he did in fact take guidance form another commentator (Hannity) at another network (FOX) he should lose his job simply out of laziness and incompetence. Maybe he was auditioning for a job with his old boss last night.

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"If you look at the fall campaign, there are some clear signals from Senator Obama's opponents that all of these issues are going to be put together in a general argument..."

So, George, when are you going to ask McCain questions that are a preview of the Democrats' fall campaign?

As usual, this is only "fair game" when it's done to Democrats.

Wait a minute - didn't the National Enquirer admit their front page photo of Bat Boy was really James Carville?

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Guys - this is a victory already! How many other debates had this sort of firestorm after it?

The fact that George S. is forced to do these interviews means that ABC has already become THE issue from this debate. The media has been put on notice.

Since George can't figure this one out on his own, I trust the ratings will help him with that. I'm going to do my part. No more ABC in my house. I will miss George Will--who would have done a much better job as a moderator. Possible exception for sporting events.