Hillary Telling Local Media In Future Voting States That Obama Wants Race To End

Hillary appears to have adopted a concerted strategy of telling local media in states that will vote after Pennsylvania that Obama and his supporters are opposed to allowing those states' residents to vote.

Here's Hillary making that case in an interview with a local TV station in North Carolina...

Hillary made similar comments to a Montana station, too, and to one in Indiana. These comments appear to be targeted towards local media; she hasn't to my knowledge gone this far in her speeches or in her comments to the national political press.

While it's true that Obama surrogates have called for her to drop out, the farthest that any Obama campaign official has gone is to say that Hillary almost certainly can't win the contest and that there should be a "sober" evaluation of her chances. And Obama himself has explicitly said she has a right to continue campaigning.

That Hillary is now pushing this line suggests that her advisers believe Obama surrogates erred in giving her an opening to galvanize her supporters and play the feisty underdog -- something the Obama campaign may recognize, too, judging by its efforts to rapidly dial back the calls for her to leave the race.


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Ahem. Senator, do you have any idea how sick Americans get of campaign season? I'm willing to bet at least half the people who see your ad say right back at the TV: "I wish to hell it was over too!"

Regardless of who they are voting for.

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Let's be clear about this. Those people who questioned whether Hillary should stay in didn't err at all. The more Clinton has to answer questions about her election viability, the more off message she becomes.

She's already tossed any pretense to running a pro-Hillary campaign in throwing the kitchen sink. That hurt her as much if not more than him, and now she's having to justify on a daily basis her reasons for remaining in the race. She can play the victim role again, but it's a role with rapidly diminishing returns.

This is a huge distraction for Team Clinton.

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What!. The Heroine of Tuzla lying again. What a shocker.

Hillary is now campaigning for George W. Bush's third term.

I think, maybe, you mean the "Tigress of Tuzla"... someone else on here called it, and I thought it had a nice ring to it... maybe a concerted effort can make it stick? (like the redefinition of Santorum from Dan Savage)

Let's be clear: she's not just saying that Obama's supporters want to "prevent them from being able to vote", she's saying that Obama himself is wanting this.

I.e., she's lying.

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Here's David Plouffe on February 13th saying "she can't catch us".

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Plouffe_She_cant_catch_us.html

As his surrogates have gone out and said she should drop out, Obama also said the race is like a movie that's gone on a half an hour too long. If Hillary's surrogates said something like that and she echoed the sentiments, what do you think you'd be saying? That it was an orchestrated push.

Hillary, in late Dec.: this thing will be over by Feb. 5.

Talking about not wanting people to vote!!

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Show us the math by which she catches the Obama campaign in pledged delegates. And not using Clintonian math. DNC sanctioned contest. Ok, go.

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Show us the math in which Obama secures the 2,024 delegates needed for the nomination in pledged delegates. And not using Obamanian math. DNC sanctioned contest. Ok, go.

De = the delegates he has earned so far

Dl = the delegates he is likely to earn in upcoming contests

Sa = the supers who are already commited to him

Sf = the supers who believe that they should confirm the vote of the pledged delegates

So = the supers who think that they should use their best judgement and vote for the candidate who is best and think that Obama is best

De + Dl + Sa + Sf + So >= 2024

I just threw up in my mouth a little. Thanks.

This of course being a response to Another_Reader, not Larry.

What the hell with this commenting technology being so goofy?

Obama also said the race is like a movie that's gone on a half an hour too long.

pants aflame. he didn't say that, he repudiated other people saying it. but carry on in your little fantasy world.

Obama has gone out of his way (repeatedly) to say she can stay in as long as she wants. He's never called for her to step down. He's never tried to stop any of these states from voting.

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Just those votes from counting...

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Let's be fair, Ben. Hillary is tarred with just about every underhanded and conniving statement out of her campaign. You see that constantly in these pages. Why should it not work both way? Why do you defend Obama from his surrogates' inappropriate or misleading comments, yet implicate Hillary in the very same mischief?

Ben does not do that.

I hate ignorant people. What she actually said is "My take on it is a lot of Sen. Obama's supporters want to end this race because they don't want people to keep voting," she told KTVQ in Billings, Montana. "That's just the opposite of what I believe. We want people to vote. I want the people of Montana to vote, don't you?"

What is untrue about that? Richardson, Leahy, Dodd, read the boards all over. They are all openly pressuring Hillary to leave the race.

Where did she accuse Senator Obama of advocating this himself? Correct the record or find some facts to back up your nonsense.

I don't want to call you out for not being able to read, but when the headline answers your question, it leaves your intelligence open to question.

Granted, SHE can't control the headline, but that may be what people are reacting to. Can't be certain, but it stands to reason.

And there in a nutshell is the Obamabots problem. You get as far as the headline and then start spouting nonsense drivel, rather than listening to the actual quote of what she said. OBAMA supporters have been calling on her to drop out. Is that seriously in question? Dodd, Richardson, Leahy, pretty much every Obama supporter in this thread.

You call my intelligence into question for quoting what she actually said while you are citing a headline. Just like an Obama supporter - all about the image and surface (headline) and unwilling to get to real issues (what was actually said).

before you go questioning someone else's intelligence, you should probably ensure that facts are on your side.

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Every time I think she has finally hit rock bottom, she gets out the jackhammer and goes even lower.

Well, fortunately, no voting is going to take place for three weeks, so the Obama campaign has plenty of time to rebut these claims. It's good in a way that the Clintons are doing this now, rather than two weeks from now.

They're like Timex watches: takes a licking and keeps on ticking....

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She apparently thinks that lying and whining about unfair treatment is how you win elections.

She really is the most uninspiring candidate I've ever seen (and that includes Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis). I hope that the fact that she will mobilize 0 people who don't already support her is factoring into the superdelegates' decision on whom to support at the convention.

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So she's lying again as usual.

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How could anyone say that Obama wants the race to end? How could anyone believe such a thing? Obviously he wants the race to continue as long as it possibly can so that everyone has a chance to be represented, even if that means his narrow lead over Clinton might diminish and open the possibility of superdelegates siding with Hillary. That's because Mr. Obama is not a politician. He's not in this to win. He's in it for to fight for what is right. He believes only in fair play and goodness and hope for all. He will continue to urge Mrs. Clinton to fight on, because he is a totally fair and selfless man. And then there will be world peace and prosperity for all, and the birds will sing, and the lion will lie down with the lamb....

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And you, Otto F, are a cynical fool!

Boring.

Well said, and very accurate.
:-)

Except for your additional silliness at the end, I'd agree with your statement. He IS a different kind of politician.

If they believe Obama supporters went too far and it's a great point for her why doesn't she push it in the national press? Oh that's right because it just begets more discussion of the fact that there's no way she can possibly win. Clinton is being cute by trying to raise this, but she knows that extended discussion of her viability in this race is a bad issue for her. She might get some gain whining about the calls for her to quit, but in the end the whole topic just highlights that her campaign is a lost cause.

Wow. I'm the meat in a troll sandwich.

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She did, actually. Lying Howard Wolfson got about 10 minutes from Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC yesterday, spreading these exact lies: that Obama doesn't want these people to vote.

She didn't question him once. She didn't even bring up Obama saying she should stay in the race.

Of course, her husband is going to get a new job from Hillary. How's that for journalistic integrity.

Andrea did that with Bosnia gate too. How do MSM viewers still put up with her ?

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And let's not forget that Andrea Mitchell was actually on the plane (and tarmac) with Hillary in Tuzla, but kept completely silent amid Hillary's claims that she (and Mitchell) were under sniper fire at the time.
Stay classy, Andrea Mitchell.

And:

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the superdelegates who may ultimately decide the Democratic party's presidential nominee have a right to vote as they wish."

Obama made a huge mistake and she is making him pay for it.

Deal with it trolls.

You understand, of course, that this means that the Super-Delegates can vote their conscience for Obama too, right?

Like they have 50 - 2 for him since Feb 5...

Very Rovian of you: Obama supporters are automatically "trolls".

Also, "voting one's conscience" is not synonymous with voting for Clinton. Most people's conscience thus far has led them to a different decision, as I suspect will occur with the "uncommitted" super-delegates as well.

the majority of commenters being "trolls" makes as much sense as "hillary can still win this." (btw, i miss gotnolife's scalia-fliping-the-italian-bird icon -- much more telling from a hillary supporter.)

Troll?


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apparently, somebody doesn't know what a "troll" is.

He knows what one is. He is just lashing out at every one because he was called on being a troll. It is like the A**hole rule - 'If some one claims that everyone in a group is an A**hole, it is a safe bet that they are the only A**hole in the group.'

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Goatlife, is everybody who doesn't support your candidate a troll? Do we have to move to the states that "don't count," too?

She lied.

Obama has not said that she should drop out. He said over the weekend that she should campaign as long as she wants, she's on the ballot.

Some of his surrogates suggested that she bow out, but then again, so did one prominent Senator that supports her suggesting "she go to the door, or be shown the door".

What will be interesting will be which gains more traction:

Her rallying of troops based on suggestions that she drop out..

OR

The constant drumbeat of when asking and calculating when she's going to drop out.

Either way, we're talking about her dropping out.

Her campaign's been shot by the "Loser-tag", now it's just a matter of waiting until her campaign finally drops...

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Couldn't it also "suggest" that they're a desperate campaign that's willing to say anything to buy themselves more time?

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she's telling another bold faced LIE!!! Another example of how she will "say and do anything" to steal this election, because she certainly can't win it.

And this will sway undecided voters how?

Calling attention to the fact that many prominent Democrats want her to concede in an effort to unite the party and win in November helps her how?

Reminding people that she is far behind in the pledged delegate count helps her how?

Lying about what Obama has publicly said helps her how?

Having no money and losing superdelegate support helps her how?

Remember that Huckabee railed against the Republican power brokers who asked him to leave the race, as well. And I don't remember more people voting for him because of it.

hillary the liar strikes again

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Obama needs to denounce AND reject this assertion on Clintons part. He further needs to state that he not only wants all votes in all states to count. But that he has had a 50 state strategy from the beginning and that he has not cherry picked states to campaign in. That he planned from the start to go all the way to the convention and he is glad to see that Hillary Clinton has now decided to join him in this 50 state campaign unlike her statement in Dec 07 that the race would be over on Super Tuesday as she told Stephanopoulous.

She's a vile person. I posted about this tack on my blog last night. This isn't just politics, this is slimy yuckiness. The only thing I see while watching this is a desperate liar. Only a true believer would actually believe the words the she's saying.

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Ahhhh, you can smell the desperation.

When the polls are tightening and the lies are exposed, what do Clintons do?

Lie some more, what else could we expect?

Also, this is hilarious.

Go Tarheels!

Whatta stupid analogy. That alone should have made the reporters skeptical...

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Does this mean every primary that hasn't lasted until the convention has been an act of mass disenfranchisement?

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But ending it on February 5th would have been o.k., right???

another day, another straw to grasp.

Weak.

You know, I heard Bill make a similar statement in Kentucky a week ago. This seems like the dumbest straw man argument yet. No one is trying to shut down voting, whether she is an active candidate or not.

And I don't think this makes her look like the "feisty underdog," it makes her look sad, desperate and dishonest. All it will take is a quick Youtube video of Hillary and Bill making these statements interspersed with clips of Obama, Pelosi and others saying she should continue campaigning.

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but then,


since Obama hasn't actually said that

doesn't that make Clinton even more of a liar?


Why yes it does.

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but then,


since Obama hasn't actually said that

doesn't that make Clinton even more of a liar?


Why yes it does.

Hasn't Obama already been running some ads and/or doing some campaigning in Indiana and North Carolina? That communicates more to the people of these states that Obama wants to hear their voices than anything Hillary says about what he wants.

and strabo's link deserves to be reposted.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7360/cm20capture201mr4.jpg


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She usually doesn't get caught (nationally) when she lies like this locally. I remember reading a quote from her in Ohio: "Obama doesn't want you to have healthcare. He only wants children to have healthcare."

These kinds of distortions are typical of her. Is the campaign striking back? They need to not let these perceptions sink in.

In Ohio, people who went to her campaign events actually thought they'd be getting "free" healthcare from Hillary but have to pay for it with Obama. A distortion she fomented.

"Obama had greater role on liberal survey";

"During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than his aides now acknowledge in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion — positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he has projected during his presidential campaign.

The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group’s detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his 1996 bid for a state Senate seat."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html

Told you he is a fraud trolls.

EGADS!!!!

A Democratic candidate has progressive views.

Do the Republicans know about this?!?!

Since we're throwing the fraud label around, since you support Hillary you obviously MUST believe that she did run from sniper-fire in Bosnia, right?

Otherwise, wouldn't you be supporting a fraud?

U funny troll!

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What are 'fraud trolls?'

Are they real trolls, or faux trolls? Or are they trolls who valiantly look for fraud?

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Are they real trolls, or faux trolls? Or are they trolls who valiantly look for fraud?

Ah, that's great. I'm still laughing about it.

If you do indeed have a life you need to GET OFF YOUR ASS and go raise some campaign cash for your candidate.

All you're doing here is making her look worse.

Troll??

I fart in your general direction!

Stop hacking my avatar troll.

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Goatlife, what's an "avatar troll" and how does one hack it? I think you left out a comma (which makes me a Grammar Troll! Oh Noes!).

Hacking your avatar keeps my blood pressure nice and low.

Sorry, Troll!

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Or how about going back to some of Obama's releases where he is trying to remind people that despite Clinton's desire to focus on Pennsylvania, that he was interested in getting the focus on ALL of the remaining contests???? Media bias my @$$.

http://thepage.time.com/memo-from-obama-campaign-
manager-plouffe-2/

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Or how her campaign has written off voters in caucuses or red states or "boutique states" because they supported Obama.

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In Clintonian I believe this is called misspeaking.

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Will any undecided voter fall for this? It seems you would have to already be pretty anti-Obama to actually believe he doesn't want everyone to vote (note she actually says he wants to "prevent" them voting, as if he doesn't want there to be an election at all). Even Clinton supporters (TPM trolls notwithstanding) aren't anti-Obama for the most part, so if anything this may peel off some of her soft support. Repeatedly saying he doesn't want "you" to vote sounds obviously pandering as well, so that may be a turnoff as well. The campaign really is completely tone-deaf -- sometimes doing whatever it takes to win doesn't actually help you win, it just makes people think you will do whatever it takes to win.


Also, "voting one's conscience" is not synonymous with voting for Clinton. Most people's conscience thus far has led them to a different decision, as I suspect will occur with the "uncommitted" super-delegates as well.

O bravo for that. All these Clinton trolls constantly hammering on the independence of the SDs as if it's a foregone conclusion they will vote for her. And then of course, there are all of those who purport to think for the SDs, and it's always that they secretly are going to agree he's too black to be elected.

Can I have some mind-reading pills, too, please?

Oh man, how much I hate the lying monsters!!!

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I said to a conservative colleage at work the other day: "Friend, we should cherish this moment. When else will we both be able to say that we hate Hillary Clinton equally?"

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Link got messed up. Here.

http://thepage.time.com/memo-from-obama-campaign-manager-plouffe-2/

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Hillary is playing April's first fools day

The voter might ask - why is she making such a big thing about continuing her campaign?

Has she lost?

The inevitability of Death by Inevitability

At some point, Obama trolls will admit he is a lying fraud:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html

The gop will do it for you trolls.

[cough] Bosnia, Ireland, NAFTA, FMLA, "we all know Michigan's vote won't count" [cough]


Oh... I'm sorry, were you saying something?

When pigs fly and hell freezes over, fella.

"The gop will do it for you trolls."

Conceding so soon? Awww, and here we were ready to take this to the convention floor. Might wanna mind that chink in your armor there, friend.

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"The Torture Never Stops"......Zappa

Clinton is a "vile," "lying," "desperate," "slimy," "dishonest" "monster"? Might I remind you that we are speaking of a fellow democrat here. I am just as eager to see Obama win as any of my Obama-supporter fellows here, but I would submit to you that this sort of talk is not helpful. We have as much as won folks. Now is the time to be gracious in victory. Clinton's supporters on this board cannot give her a victory in the primaries (and even if they could, we could not stop them with epithets) but they can still abandon the party and cede a victory to McCain (who is the real enemy in this election). We need to be working to reconcile them to our candidate, not alienating them further by gratuitous disparagements of a candidate whom they love and admire.

That said, I do have to question the effectiveness of the approach that Sen Clinton is taking here. I daresay that if the voters of PA, NC, OR, KY, WV, SD & MT were really critically concerned about having a say, they would have urged their states to move up to Feb 5. I am not arguing that they ought not to have their say. I am simply pointing out that it is hard to believe that they are really particular exercised by the idea of voting in a non-competitive race. I suppose that we will see how this works, but I am not especially worried at this point.

spot on, greg.

Greg, thanks for the voice of reason. I'm sure I've said some things that upset Clinton supporters, but you're right. Obama has as much as won. We should be gracious, and make the Clinton supporters welcome in the Democratic big tent.

So -- good game, all! Come on over and join the party! Have some Koolaid ;)

That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. MI & FL were punished for moving their primaries up, so they have to appeal to the Credentials Cmmittee to be seated. Now you are saying that the remaining states should be disenfranchised because they left their primaries on the dates they were originally set for - simply because obama supporters want the race over now. Insert the sound of one clap slowly buidling to a crescendo-->Congratulations - you have made the most illogical argument ever on TPM.

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Brilliant use of language, even in a nakedly evil way.

By saying Obama wants to "prevent" people from voting, she's conjuring up images of armed guards blocking the polls.

And let's be clear: it's a lie not because he never said he wanted her out of the race, but it's a lie because nobody but nobody, including Leahy, who went the farthest of anyone, has said that these primaries should be cancelled.

One of you Clinton trolls out there go ahead and show me one single person saying that NC and WV and KY et al should cancel their primaries, and then you've got something. What people are saying is that those votes should continue without her actively campaigning in them, because she no longer has a reasonable chance to win. It's like a basketball game where one team is up by 20 with 2 minutes left. You stop the full court press, you stop fouling intentionally, and you put your reserves in. That doesn't mean the last two minutes of the game don't happen.

I wonder if she truly doesn't understand that these votes would go on without her because she doesn't understand that things exist outside her own self-interest?

Holy punchcards! Obama is once agian using his super election-stopping power! The fiend!

Little is known about this power, but many believe he acquired it after cutting himself on a sharp corner of a radioactive voting booth during the Illinois primary. Since that time, by use of this dark and mysterious power, he has prevented the Florida and Michigan Democratic parties from submitting valid delegate selection plans to the DNC and has even stopped the Michigan and Florida legislatures from passing laws!

Now, encouraged by these successes, this evil mastermind is turning the full force of this super power onto the remaining primaries! Polling places will mysteriously vanish! Laws will disappear from the statute books! Little old ladies who've served as precinct captains for decades will suddenly develop an overpowering urge to blow the whole thing off and hit the bingo parlor!

Who, oh who, will save us from this supernatural wave of disenfranchisement?

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I think this is approximately the right response. Is there anyone who doesn't realize that by this logic, almost everyone in the nation has been prevented from voting in a presidential primary in the last two decades?

I think I can confidently say that this is the first presidential primary since 1980 where I was not prevented from voting. But as luck would have it, I live in a state where, even though I was not prevented from voting, my vote doesn't count because I drink lattes and went to college. I can stop with the coffee but unwinding my brain might take more effort.

All voters are equal but some are a lot more equal than others . . .

Only the Heroine of Tuzla can save us now.

i think this "people want me to drop out" angle will be the thing that excites the american electorate and turbocharges her campaign. yes, that's it. how exciting it must be to be part of the upstart underdog outsider hillary campaign!

She is a lying piece of cow poo.

It has all come clear to me, now. The new scenario is as follows; Obama will be found guilty of (fill in the blank). Then Shrillary will save the nation. I always feel so much better after I have my meds.

What! It could happen! Or she just becomes McCain's Veep.