Hillary Spokesperson: We Don't Think Obama Is Unelectable
On a conference call with reporters this morning, Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson was asked whether it's the Hillary campaign's official position that Obama can't win a general election against McCain, as Hillary is reported to have privately argued to Bill Richardson.
Wolfson's answer:
"No."
For some time now, the Hillary camp has been in a bind on this front. As her odds grow longer, it becomes necessary to sound the alarm about Obama's chances in a general election ever more loudly, to the point where the argument risks straying over the line into an assertion that he can't win at all.
Simply put, the campaign is struggling to strike a difficult balancing act: How to sow serious and enduring doubts about Obama's electability while simultaneously maintaining loyalty to the larger Democratic cause? Life ain't easy sometimes.
Late Update: I've changed the above hed in response to a very technical, though not illegitimate, objection a few of you made to the original.
Late Late Update: Here's the audio from the call:















Hillary, and her team of monsters, know they can't win this time around. Their new goal is to make it impossible for Obama to win the general election so Hillary's path to the 2012 nomination is clear of road blocks.
Either that or Hillary is angling for a VP spot on McSame's ticket...
April 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
More backpedaling after getting caught saying something you shouldn't.
OK, they've both done that now on this very subject so can we move on?
If there's one thing I hate, and I think I've probably proved that into overkill, it's "electability."
April 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that settles it then. Hillary thinks Obama can win the general election.
So the supers are free to end this whenever they want.
I always feel when Wolfson makes those emphatic one word answers, he's lying.
April 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wolfson = Judas.
April 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, glad to see that Mr Wolfson and I can agree on at least this much.
April 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
wait a minute. Did Wolfson actually say that the campaign believes "he can win", or are putting words in his mouth?
I think this post demonstrates everything that is wrong with your journalism.
Saying it is not the official position of the campaign does not mean that the opposite is true.It may mean, saying he's unelectable is the UNofficial position of the campaign (what we say in private to the superdelegates, for example), and we won't say anything one way or the other officially. If they don"t affirm it directly then how can you attribute it to them.
Can someone find me one single quote where Hillary has said Obama is qualified to be President, let alone can be elected., by name. Greg?
April 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Economides, I agree with you completely. It goes on my list of Greg Sargent headlines that aren't supported by the text of the article.
Wolfson denied that "X" was Clinton's official position. It does not follow that "Not X" is Clinton's official position.
April 3, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree, this is really not very informative. I'd love to know what the official campaign position is, especially if it came from the mouth of the candidate.
Also, would it be asking too much to get the Obama campaign's reaction to this "revelation"?
April 3, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, so I just listened to the audio, and the reporter first states that Bill Clinton said Obama was unelectable, than asks "That's not the case you are making publicly, now?" Wolfson: "No."
Your headline and story are inaccurate accounts of this. Why not just write what they said. Instead you make shit up.
You may think that discussing the plain meaning of words is "technical" or you might come to realize that these guys whole business is parsing words.
Nowhere do they say they "don't *think* Obama is unelectable". All they say is they are not making that case "publicly". They are making the case publicly that Clinton is "more electable".
Now they could have easily said:'we think they can both beat McCain, but our candidate would make a better president'. But why go through all this bullshit rationalization if they can both win. Obviously they want you to draw the inference that she can win, but he can't. But they also want to have it both ways.
It's amazing you can't see through that. Unless you were purposely obscuring that. But why would you do that. Only conclusion left is that you are lazy or stupid.
April 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not a difficult balancing act at all. The Clinton campaign will follow the Shaheen-Kerry-Penn model. Clinton herself will publicly say "Of course Obama can win a general election".
Meanwhile, Clinton surrogates will talk to TPM, POlitico, The Page, etc, and say "We keep hearing from concerned superdelegates that they don't think Obama can win a general election".
The theme: Obama can't win a general election--gets out, gets play, gets repeated, while Clinton remains above the fray.
What's so difficult about this?
April 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be swell if candidates were somehow held directly responsible for what their underlings whisper to people. As far as I'm concerned, if a low-lever Clinton staffer from Sector 7G says it, then Hillary herself owns it. Control over one's own staff is, after all, a key component of "electability." Who's with me?
April 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The spin has made them dizzy.
April 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain responds to Wolfson: "Judas!"
April 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a generous interpretation of Wolfson's comment, Greg.
A more justified interpretation would be to say, it's not Clinton's official position that Obama will lose the general election. That's in fact what the man said.
Why don't you ask Wolfson tomorrow about Clinton's unofficial position?
April 3, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or as others up-thread have pointed out, it is even more slippery than you state. It is acutally:
'It's not Clinton's official PUBLIC position that Obama will lose the general election, but is the private one we use on SDs and the implicit rationale for my staying in a race I have next to no chance to win unless everyone buys the proposition Obama is unelectable.'
April 3, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary admits Obama can win the general election, "as far as she knows"...
April 3, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
And simply put this is why she should get out. Every time she has a choice of help herself but hurt the party or do nothing she chooses the former. Tim Russert said that with them metrics where they are electability is the only argument she has left but whenever she uses it she hurts the parties chances in November.
April 3, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think she has to get out, I did a week ago. Now I believe she should just end it by June, and in the meantime, keep harping on McCain. Going after Obama is not helping her approval rating and certainly is hurtful to all those people she claims have a right to vote and be heard. She is making their vote less important by building up John McCain.
April 3, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good job Howard. Reject and denounce that particular strategy. That's not where you guys want to be taking this one.
At least someone over there isn't hell bent on mutual self destruction.
April 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be nice to hear Hillary actually say it.
April 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why? Just saying it doesn't mean anything.
After all, back in October Hillary said Michigan wasn't going to count. Now she's all about getting michigan (and florida) to count.
Hillary said she would release her tax returns "within the next week". The week has passed and no tax returns.
Hillary said she was under sniper fire in Bosnia and well...she wasn't.
Hillary said she passed FMLA when it had passed before Bill got elected and all he did was sign it into law.
Hillary said she was against NAFTA even though she appeared at a meeting in support of Nafta while first lady.
I mean, how many more examples do you need of the candidate saying one thing while the facts in evidence are quite the opposite?
I think one thing is clear: Just because the campaign or the candidate goes on the record or takes a position, doesn't mean they'll stick to that position if it becomes a political liability to them.
Hillary Clinton will say anything, change nothing.
April 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't why you folks are investing your time in this non-story. She's LOSING. Has lost 12 contest in a row at one point, and an overall majority of the contests held to date. And yet she's arguing (or was arguing until it became public) that the guy kicking her ass, can't beat the Republican nominee.
That's not chutzpah, that's delusion.
April 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because, we need Clinton's supporters to recognize these same facts and willingly support Obama. We can't win with the party split, and Clinton, like it or not, is able to effectively split the party.
There's a path to reconciliation, but it requires the help of both Senator Clinton and her most ardent supporters. Stories like this hopefully are frontrunners to toning down some of the most harmful rhetoric out there.
April 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is worth reading and thinking about. What was that line about "a house divided"?
April 3, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well OK then.
Since the Clintons say that Senator Obama can beat John McCain, there is no reason for the Super Delegates to go against the majority of elected delegates.
The Clintons just blinked.
Senator Obama is the rightful nominee.
April 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Special thanks to Greg for enduring all those Clintons conference calls.
How else would we track the trials and tribulations in campaign that Obama has reduced to one of the most rinky-dink also rans in US political history
April 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why does this article list (5) comments, but I see none? I am assuming another bonus feature from the new and improved TPM
April 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Wolfson's paycheck bounced and he's job-hunting?
April 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or, indeed, if it's not their OFFICIAL position, why they are saying it to superdelegates and the media? Did Hillary NOT tell Halpern Obama couldn't win? Was Halpern lying? Did she not tell Bill Richardson that? Or are they committing to a public strategy of talking out of both sides of their mouth. Inquiring minds want to know...
April 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I truly wish Clinton wouldn't take the polite route and say, 'Oh, yes, he can win.' While true in the abstract, it is highly unlikely that Obama could win the general election and she should be as clear in public as her campaign is when not in front of the cameras. Obama is a loser for the Democrats and nothing is likely to change this. All the Kool-Aid in the world will not fool everyone to look past his shortcomings, his inexperience, his lies, and his long-term association with corrupt friends and with hate and racism.
Then again, maybe it is a means to let him lose big, give McCain the election, then come back in 4-years with a clear 'I told you so'. The only problem with this is that the Democrats have a miserable history with Kerry, Gore, Mondale, McGovern... Guess it is fitting to add Obama to the list of losers.
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like this Matthew Weaver jerk cares about the Democratic Party.
Here is his posted description of himself: Ignore the Arse Troll.
Matthew J. Weaver
Details
* Location: New York
* Age: 48
* Politics: Independent
April 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for your intellegent response. You reflect well upon the Obama Cult.
April 3, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are the clown that keeps lecturing us about which candidate is best for the Democratic party, but you admit that you are not a Democrat, so F off Arse Troll.
April 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
so now independents can't comment on electability? i don't agree with anything matt weaver says, but i certainly don't think he should have no say just because he isn't a registered democrat. respond to him on the merits. obama is more electable than hillary clinton. that isn't a difficult proposition to defend. there's no need to attack people who aren't democrats, as a lot of us have very good reasons for not wanting to be labeled by a party name.
April 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The guy has a long history of posting race baiting remarks about Senator Obama. He is not an opened minded Independent. He is a racist creep.
April 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're commenting on someone's intelligent posts?
This is directly from your website:
Now, I have not yet read the entire transcript, but the first part is very threatening to working Americans and will, if implemented, leave us much poorer and less able to meet the higher costs we are seeing for our day-to-day necessities. Outrageous!
I especially like the part where you comment on his proposal WITHOUT READING THE TRANSCRIPT.
Brilliant analysis, as always.
I have a perfect voting record, 100% opposite of whatever you support.
April 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama is a loser and he's kicking Clinton's ass, what does that make Clinton? Pathetic? A joke?
I'll leave that to you to decide while you spend time in your rubber walled room.
April 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you, or anyone else, please explain why Hillary could possibly win the election if Obama can't? Remember, he's beating her, beating her to the point to where there is no way she can win, and he's doing it even with the huge Clinton name recognition. I just dont understand the logic.
April 3, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why have a Democratic primary at all? Really, if the voters in the primary can't see who's the most electable - should they really get the right to decide the nominee?
Hell no. Let's let a smaller group of people who understand politics and elections very well - say members of the DNC and Democratic members of Congress - decide the nominee instead.
April 3, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
TROLL!!
April 3, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Troll?! No, sorry, not one. If it makes it easier to keep your head in the sand and savor the Kool-Aid, fine. But truly, can you really see Obama beating McCain?! McCain's first GE ad puts some serious and very stark contrast between him and Obama. Clinton my be your punching bag but she is competitive and can beat McCain.
April 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, maybe you are incapable of seeing Obama beat McCain, but a large majority of Republican voters think McCain stands the least chance of beating Obama...
And the best chance of beating Clinton.
Go figure.
22% think McCain can beat Obama. 64% think McCain can beat Clinton.
April 3, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting numbers. Not saying your claim is BS, but do you have a link to see what that source is?
April 3, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, he is the new McGovern.
That is why he supports Clinton.
April 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO
Former Senator and 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern has endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton for President.
April 3, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew! Quick! There's an owl or something sitting on your forehead! Get it off! Quick! Get it off!
Oh, wait. That's just your haircut. Sorry.
April 3, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since the Clintons say that Senator Obama can beat John McCain, there is no reason for the Super Delegates to go against the majority of elected delegates.
The Clintons just blinked.
Senator Obama is the rightful nominee.
April 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not a difficult balancing act at all. The Clinton campaign will follow the Shaheen-Kerry-Penn model. Clinton herself will publicly say "Of course Obama can win a general election".
Meanwhile, Clinton surrogates will talk to TPM, POlitico, The Page, etc, and say "We keep hearing from concerne
O yeah you have got that just right. Sleeziest damn campaign staff the Democrats have to offer.
April 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
SuperDelegates? Obama 53, Clinton -5 net since 2/5
Big states? look at the latest NJ poll
Fundraising????
Damn that woman sure talks alot about nothing
April 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Life ain't easy sometimes.
Especially when you're an awful person and a wretched candidate.
April 3, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Saying that either Obama or Clinton couldn't get elected in November, right now on April 3, is based on nothing more than speculation. That's all it is. It is utter bullshit.
Enough about this - Where are the tax returns??????????????????
April 3, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
What Greg Sargent did not report, but CNN did, about what Wolfson said, today, about the Clinton Tax records.
"Wolfson added that they expected Clinton's tax returns to be released within the one-week time period she had predicted.
That pledge was actually made on March 25, more than one week ago."
–CNN
April 3, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're probably going to release them soon, in order to deflect attention from the fact that they're not releasing their fundraising totals for March until they have to, legally.
April 20, apparently.
April 3, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with Hillary's electability argument is that it's all about Obama's UNelectability, and not really about her. Is Hillary electable against McCain? Is she more electable than Obama? Look at a state like Colorado. Obama beats McCain in the polls. McCain beats Hillary by a landslide.
April 3, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 3, 2008
Carter hints at supporting Obama
Posted: 12:19 PM ET
(CNN) — Former President Jimmy Carter all but said Wednesday he plans to cast his superdelegate vote for Barack Obama.
Speaking with a Nigerian paper while in Abuja, Carter noted several reasons why he might be leaning toward the Illinois senator.
"Don’t forget that Obama won in my state of Georgia," Carter said. "My town, which is home to 625 people, is for Obama, my children and their spouses are pro-Obama. My grandchildren are also pro-Obama."
"As a superdelegate, I would not disclose who I am rooting for but I leave you to make that guess," Carter added.
Responding to the comments, Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said Thursday, "Both Senator Clinton and President Clinton have a great deal of respect for President Carter and have enjoyed their relationship with him over the years, and obviously he is free to make whatever decision he thinks is appropriate with regard to presidential choice."
Wolfson also acknowledged "people will be interested in the choice that he makes."
Carter's remarks are the latest from the former president that suggest he is backing Obama over rival Hillary Clinton, although he has made no official endorsement. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal in January, Carter said Obama's campaign has been extraordinary and titillating for me and my family."
He also said then that Obama "will be almost automatically a healing factor in the animosity now that exists, that relates to our country and its government."
April 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that. Wonder why he doesn't just come out an endorse Obama? Why the "secrecy"?
April 3, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
He knows that a lot of Jews hate him, and given that Obama still has trouble getting a majority of their votes, he'd rather not harm him with that. 'Tis the way I see it.
April 3, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then why according to Gallup’s numbers is he the one the Republicans fear to run against. Two to one they would prefer to run against Hillary. Oh and what lies. Nothing as big as claiming an 8 year old with a poem was a sniper I bet. And guess what no matter how hard Hillary's people have tried both Rezko and Wright turned out to be nonstarters. He'll win both the nomination and the general because he has by far more money and a better organization than either of his opponents and that is what wins elections. Sorry.
April 3, 2008 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another headline bust.
Saying "Obama can't win" is not the campaign's official position is not the same as saying "Obama can win."
April 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama bad, Hillary less bad, Republicans good.
See the truth at www.rightwingtalkingpointsmemo.com
Sincerely,
Matt W.
April 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!
April 3, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is why Obama will lose:
"McCain hammers Obama on national security":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080403/wl_afp/usvotemccainobama_080403155444
Lose on the same issue for the third time in a row.
April 3, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife is a Republican Arse Troll.
April 3, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I used to think so, but he's just a very passionate Hillary supporter. He also supports the ACLU, and I think we all agree on that.
gotalife wants to win in November, that's the important thing to remember. He really believes Hillary has a better chance than Obama in defeating McCain, and although I strongly disagree, he has a right to stay here and make his case against Obama.
I wish he would spend more time supporting Hillary, rather than repeating right-wing talking points, but as others have pointed out: this is something Obama must face, and I'd rather debate gotalife than a real Republican troll.
April 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am very understanding of Clinton supporters. I appreciate their passion and their belief in their candidate of choice. I think we need to come together as a party, and it's incumbent on all of us to not vilify Clinton supporters.
Saying that, I have no doubt that gotalife is a Republican troll. Many people have related how he was booted off of other progressive blogs in the past, and he's said WAY too many things that would have come from a freeper for me to believe that he's just a centrist Democrat. Sorry, but in my opinion, gotalife is a troll trying to stir up angst where he can, and just because he is now cynically talking up funding the ACLU in the face of another huge fundraising month for Obama isn't enough to lead me to think he's legit.
April 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Impossible to see how quashing donations to Dems is consistent with opposing McCain. Obama's "primary" money is going to four months of organizing and registering voters in winnable states. Anyone who wants that money unavailable is supporting McCain, whether they acknowledge it or not, and even whether they understand it or not.
April 3, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you bother to read the story you linked to?
Here, let me sum it up for you:
McCain: "Obama doesn't know national security"
Obama: "McCain, like Clinton, failed their 3am phone call."
Seriously, you have to read more than the headline if you're looking to support your point of view.
April 3, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Issue number 1: The Economy.
How does McCain stand there?
April 3, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, I guess you're endorsing McCain's approach to Iraq.
Are you sure you're a Democrat?
April 3, 2008 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
No elaboration? That was it? Just "No."
How about asking him if what Halperin said was true?
April 3, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Weaver,
No one knows for sure what will happen in November, so confident prognostications are perilous for all of us. But I see no reason whatsover to think it likely that Obama will lose to McCain; in fact I expect not only a win, but a very healthy win. Obama's exceptional communications skills; his dynamism; his anti-war stance; his remarkable fundraising and organizational skills; and his proven ability to take on and defeat a formidable political apparatus in the Clintons, are just some of the reasons not to doubt him. McCain is (and looks) old; he is erratic and hot-tempered; his rigid stance on Iraq looks worse by the day; his personal life in DC creates scandal risk, and his support from important segments of the Republican coalition is soft at best. Obama is very likely to beat him.
April 3, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice the negative campaigning has ceased about the same time that the calls for HRC to get out of the race have stopped.
Either the Clintons have realized their negative campaigning was hurting them with the supers or someone (Pelosi, Dean, Reid) gave them a bit of an earful about the consequences of a protracted negative campaign on HRC's Presidential chances either in '08 or '12.
April 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Until the Jeremiah Wright controversy I felt that Obama could pull off defeating McCain, despite McCain's experience. But after Obama handed the GOP the Wright goldmine, I believe McCain will defeat him. Race is going to be a huge issue, and Obama did not settle it with his speech. The Democrats have become silent on it. The GOP will not be silent. They are just waiting.
April 3, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, you're saying that McCain is more qualified to deal with race than Obama?
April 3, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you watching the same stuff I am?
The only ones who seem to think the Wright issue is still a big deal is Hillary and her supporters.
True, Fox news and the 527's will bring it up again during the general, but it will not sway anyone at that point.
April 3, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Otto,
You are a One Note Wonder. You keep repeating your same race claims over and over. You are the one who appears to want to keep it stoked, or else you must be suffering from an acute case of Typerette's Syndrome.
April 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Schmedley,
I'd suggest that either McCain or Clinton have more standing to talk about race--especially in terms of "post-racial" that some folks like to use. Obama has 20 years and continued membership with a blatently racist and America-hating church. He also has personal ties with Rev. Meeks who has even more inflammatory comments. Obama uses racist terms, such as 'typical White person', and has yet to apologize for any of this. Further, he seems to blame everyone else and he and supports ask for a pass on his racism because he is Black and to atone for White guilt. Pathetic.
Yes, let McCain or Clinton lead this conversation as they are more credible and do have have a history of racism and hate.
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand it's a typo (as far as I know), but this line was hilarious:
Yes, let McCain or Clinton lead this conversation as they are more credible and do have have a history of racism and hate.
LOL!
April 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is, Yes, let McCain or Clinton lead this conversation as they are more credible and do NOT have a history of racism and hate.
April 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has no history of racism or hate, but you know that and are simply flinging bullshit claims about racism and thereby projecting your own.
Wanna take a stroll through Billy Graham's audio recordings of anti-Semitism, or the videos of Haggee calling the Catholic Church a cult and a great whore?
Guess only when you take the words of a black pastor wholly out-of-context and willfully ignore worse said by the spiritual leaders associated with the other candidates can you begin to peddle the lies of Obama being a racist full of hate.
Like every vile piece of shit you post, you only confirm what a lying fraud you are.
April 3, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are lying about Rev. Meeks.
April 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Race is going to be a huge issue, and Obama did not settle it with his speech. The Democrats have become silent on it. The GOP will not be silent. They are just waiting.
No, I don't think so . Not when we're in a recession.
The economy always prevails in everyone's thinking on election day. I actually liked some of Clinton's economic ideas - though of course, NAFTA stinks really bad - right up until she said she was bringing back Alan Greenspan. That's all I need to know.
I do not want Hillary Clinton and Alan Greenspan blowing up another bubble economy.
April 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, Ickes approach is to say that Obama is electable, but that pastor thing...
Come on.
April 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Weaver:
"That is, Yes, let McCain or Clinton lead this conversation as they are more credible and do NOT have a history of racism and hate."
I'll just assume you're joking about McCain. Have you checked out any of Hagee's sermons? Or the fact that he's trying to associate himself with Ronald "Welfare Queen/Philadelphia, MS" Reagan?
As to HRC: I don't know. If you really have to assume that
A) two statements out of a 30-year sermonizing career constitute racism (and I have a hard time understanding how saying even ridiculous crap like "the US Government created HIV" is actually all that racist in any way), AND
B) that it is appropriate to hold Obama somehow liable for those two statements; then...
..we should hold HRC liable for the Family's views on Nazism. Feel like doing that?
April 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is TPM and the MSM reporting "anonymous Clinton staffers" smearing Richardson like this?
Obviously they would have an axe to grind.
Jeez, is the media now just a mouthpiece for verbatim Clinton attacks?
I hope this Tonya Harding-esque GARBAGE is a cue for more Superdelegates to step in ad wrap this up.
Gore, Carter, Edwards ... it's time.
April 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
He won't say who, but it starts with O. A little silly. . .
April 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
How soon until this asshole Ickes is gone???
April 3, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
For several days I was wondering why the Clinton Camp would want to keep this whole Richardson story alive when it makes them look so desparate. But now a possibility occurred to me: they want to make the supers, especially those with ties to the Clintons, think twice before going public with an Obama-endorsement. They signal: do you want to go through the same abuse as Richardson? This may be a serious threat for many. It may keep some from endorsing Obama for a while. As often in politics, a reputation for being merciless can be a useful reputation.
April 3, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is just pure, desperate panic. The said they were going to do this when they announced their "kitchen sink" strategy. They should have called it the "garbage disposal" strategy, but they definitely announced their desperation and how they planned to deal with it.
The Clintons will not be happy until they have confirmed every last vile thing the Republicans have said about them. Oughta take 'em about another week.
The Clintons are the worst thing that's ever happened to the Democratic Party.
April 3, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
"For some time now, the Hillary camp has been in a bind on this front. As her odds grow longer, it becomes necessary to sound the alarm about Obama's chances in a general election ever more loudly, to the point where the argument risks straying over the line into an assertion that he can't win at all."
Greg: "sound the alarm?!?" Give us a break, OK? She's not Paul Revere. In the first place, the only reason it would be "necessary" to "sound the alarm" is because the Clintons have been ACTIVELY WORKING to make Obama unelectable. The have done this precisely so they can make that case to the superdelegates. Her argument doesn't "risk" straying over the line. They strayed over the line long ago, Greg, and it was INTENTIONAL. That's the whole point of her campaign. She's campaigning like a Republican against a fellow Democrat.
Your biases cause you to say some incredibly stupid things sometimes, Greg. You're not really this naive, are you?
April 3, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink