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Hillary On Track To Raise $10 Million Since Polls Closed Yesterday

On MSNBC just now, top Hillary adviser Terry McAuliffe claimed that by the end of today, the Hillary campaign will have raised $10 million since she was declared winner yesterday.

The number of new donors to the campaign, according to McAuliffe: Fifty thousand.

Such numbers won't really shift the underlying financial dynamic of the race, as Obama had over $40 million in cash on hand at the beginning of this month, while the Hillary camp was in the red. Still, such numbers are good for morale, something Hillaryland was in sore need of heading into yesterday.


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Obama is at 1.407 Million ATM, but hey she can use that money to pay off her debts then drop out.

Correction its 1.408 million now.

Correction 1.409 Million

PUT THAT MONEY TO GOOD USE

We don't want any more menopausilhissyfit, race card plain waffle eaters clogging up the political system. You two take that money and get a hotel room and enough crack to get you through to the convention. Then towel off, come out and have that love child this party so desperately needs for unity.

We'll wait....

Sincerely
B. Clinton & M. Obama

REMEMBER: Please donate your spare "Change We Can Believ In" to help the suffering of Harvard student loan deadbeats.

Correction. 1,420,000... and growing.

Just think. With all this emphasis on fundraising, the Clintons will be able to pay off most of their debts... except for the Clinton's loan to the campaign.

...while Obama's campaign will actually have even more money available to spend in the upcoming races!

Obama will be able to easily win the upcoming races, and Hillary walks away almost debt free.

Everyone wins!

Make that 1,421,000...

1,422,000

1,425,543...

1,438,000...

Hold on. I thought money didn't matter.

Well, money doesn't matter for Obama, since even with all the money in the world pumping into PA he couldn't win or come close.

$10 million in one day. That is truly impressive, considering Obama took in ~$40 million last MONTH. We'll see where things go from here, but it looks like Clinton's PA win has rejuvenated the most important factor for her, donors! Ready for IN and NC!

Thanks for clarifying. Obama's money doesn't matter, but Hillary's does.

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I love the logic. Money matters only when Clinton raises it.

States matter only when Clinton wins them.

Superdelegates only matter when Clinton receives their support.

The most votes matter only for states that matter.

Hilarious. This is why Clinton fatigue grows day by day.

Money matters for Clinton because it helps to equalize the race so that she can get her message out. It doesn't matter with Obama because even with a 4 to 1 advantage, he still can't win an election where there aren't enough black people who will vote for him because of his race.

Strange, Exit polls in PA say that Clinton won because of people voting on the issue of race.

9% of the voters in the Pennsylvania primary were African Americans who said race was not a factor in their vote. Of those 9%, 91% voted for Barack Obama.

Why is it that when blacks vote overwhelmingly for a black candidate because of his race, that's OK? But when race seems to now be a factor in how some white voters will vote, the result is somehow illegitimate and discounted? Is it only wrong if you're in the majority?

I've never had any illusions about the inherent difficulty of electing a black person president of a formerly slave nation. It's the Obama supporters who chose to turn a self-serving blind eye to it when it was working in Obama's favor with black voters. But now that it's become obvious that he can't carry large industrial states, they're too busy pointing their sanctimonious fingers to wake up and smell the coffee.

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re: "Is it only wrong if you're in the majority?"

Do you think affirmative action is wrong? I ask not to imply affirmative action should be a factor in elections, but because I am curious as to your thoughts on the relationship between the majority in this country and an institutionally oppressed minority. I'd suspect your one of the people who routinely complain about "reverse racism," completely oblivious to the history of real racism in this country. You can prove me wrong, of course, and explain that you can indeed can tell differences between majorities and minorities.

There's a big difference between being able to get an education or get a job, and voting for someone because he's black. While I agree with preserving black congressional districts in order to afford some black representation in Congress, the presidency is not an affirmative action position. Blacks cannot overcome white racism by voting for the black candidate. All that does is to morally justify it whenever whites do the very same thing.

If Obama wanted to rise above race being an issue in this campaign, he needed to start by telling blacks not to vote for him because he was black. He needed to send that message. But because he didn't do that, now he's beginning to feel the backlash from white voters, many of who now perceive him as the affirmative action candidate.

I'm not sure that's true. I don't think there is any reason not to view electing Obama as affirmative action. I'd guess that the people who favor affirmative action are the people voting for Obama. At some point affirmative action won't be necessary any more. Maybe it's not now, but I think the three candidates all meet the minimum qualifications for President, so why not elect Obama?

So by your logic all the women who are voting for Hillary Clinton are sexist and against male candidates?

4 to 1?!? Surely you mean 10 to 1, no?

**Silly silly silly. If you'll take a look he actually does BETTER in states with fewer black people. Wierd, huh?

You mean the states that have never seen a black person before.

Pay attention one more time to the math !

The ratio of $11 million to 5 million is not 4 to 1. It is about 2 to 1.

Does Wisconsin. Iowa, Colorado and Idaho have an overwhelming African American population? Hmm... Obama also won Texas by delegate counts. In most of the states, most people who voted for him were white.

Your quote : he cannot win if there aen't enough balck people who vote because of his race

That is as disgusting as saying that Clinton wins in states with uninformed, economically insecure, racist, and with women over 50. Think about how stupid that sounds.

Except in Pennsylvania. And among white blue collar workers wherever. And old people. And Hispanics. And Asians. And most white women. And me.

Snark. I really thought it was snark.

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Dude, that's just about enough to cover her DEBTS. She's ready to have the bill collectors stop calling, if anything. Plus, I'll believe it when I see the receipts - McAuliffe isn't exactly the most credible cat.

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Hey, don't link cats and Terry McA in the same sentence!

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No offense intended, CT...

Clownish and breathless double standard there- trash Obama's fund raising, then tout HRC 1 day pull. You can't have it both ways. Pick a standard and stick to it.

The true test will be to see how long she can sustain this. My guess is that the HRC campaign will clam up on their figures once those come back to earth. But don't expect to hear about that, when its convenient to let the public presume otherwise.

"Well, money doesn't matter for Obama, since even with all the money in the world pumping into PA he couldn't win or come close."
Hehe - that's not a bad line. I wouldn't hold my breath to overtake the fundraising juggernaut that is Obama anytime soon, however!

Are you high? You actually believe that windbag? Was that 10 million for the primary? I think not. Go smoke some more hash you delusional blowhard.

Am I to believe that you have not yet recieved you Hillspeak decoder ring?

Also very good for Mark Penn's bank account.

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Ding! Ding! Ding!

I know they won't, but if I was one of her donors, I'd ask myself if I really wanted to be paying Mark Penn back.

but I'm not one of her donors, so -

it's hilarious how upset obama's supporters are by the victory and TEN MILLION DOLLARS raised since last night, including the $20 from me.

well done, senator clinton. we're in, and in to win.

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Enjoy this delusion of yours while you can.

I know I'm not upset at all. He came from almost 30 points behind going in to Pa, a state she should have been able to carry by at least 30 points, given all her advantages there.

She didn't.

She didn't come close.

She's through.

No, HusseinTenaX. He came back from 150% points. He was down by that many points going into the weekend but made it all up the moment he showed up in PA. Yes, don't believe the footage you have been seeing on TV all this time. This Saturday was when he first visited PA - I swear. 150% in 3 days! Go Obama!

P.S. By the way, the inside scoop is - get this - he didn't spend a PENNY in PA. All those people and Ads - all volunteers, folks!

Did the media donate the air time for his ads? That's the biggest expense for most campaigns.

No, HusseinTenaX. He came back from 150% points. He was down by that many points going into the weekend but made it all up the moment he showed up in PA. Yes, don't believe the footage you have been seeing on TV all this time. This Saturday was when he first visited PA - I swear. 150% in 3 days! Go Obama!

P.S. By the way, the inside scoop is - get this - he didn't spend a PENNY in PA. All those people and Ads - all volunteers, folks!

Using you logic, Obama lost South Carolina because he only got 94% of the blacks to vote for him.

Not upset... just not willing to give you Hillary supporters a minute's breatheing room.

If you've got your boot on the back of a snake's neck, you don't let off until it's good and dead.

That's why we're all donating. Again!

Good. Donate. Yes. Donate. More money. Give until it hurts. Have you tithed yet? Do it.

well done, senator clinton. we're in, and in to win.

Senator Clinton definitely got the win she was projected to get last night, no argument there. However the "in to win" isn't terribly accurate. But don't take my word for it; just look at what the NYT editorial board (who endorsed Clinton) had to say:

The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it.

Voters are getting tired of it; it is demeaning the political process; and it does not work. It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election.
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Mrs. Clinton did not get the big win in Pennsylvania that she needed to challenge the calculus of the Democratic race. It is true that Senator Barack Obama outspent her 2-to-1. But Mrs. Clinton and her advisers should mainly blame themselves, because, as the political operatives say, they went heavily negative and ended up squandering a good part of what was once a 20-point lead.


And Obama got 100.00 from me. Enjoy your little party. Perhaps the Small Business people she's been shafting throughout the campaign will finally get paid.

Perhaps her campaigns Health insurance premiums will get paid.

Tonya Harding Called, She wants her lead pipe back.

Yes. Don't they owe him 3.5 million (and counting) right now?

Very sad. A woman of your stature would lower yourself to this level. You have no shame?

Great, now she can pay Penn the $4.3 million she owes him. This woman can't manage her own campaign how is she gonna manage the country! She's a disaster. Just drive a stake thru her heart already!

I hope that ten million will go to pay off their debt and pay back those small businesses.

Thanks for helping me pay off my second home on the Chesapeake and the winter lodge in Vail.

- Mark Penn

I don't believe Terry McAuliffe on this one at all.....this is to keep supporters from jumping ship.

My first thought, as well. Seems very fishy, especially since they were proclaiming only $2.5 earlier today. Seems like the number "10" is popping up a lot from Team Hillary today, no matter how disconnected that number is from reality.

Maybe the Clintons loaned their campaign a cool $8 million dollar overnight to inflate figures?

I agree. McAuliffe is, and always will be, full of shit.

bitter?

About what?

haha.

Okay...

people here just make me giggle. i've never seen a more angry and "bitter" bunch after senator clinton's win last night, and now news of $10 mil pouring in, and still counting. kicking and screaming all the way, eh?

aren't you the "hope and change" crowd?

the empty suit needs to hang up the bowling shoes and call it a day.

Calling someone an "empty suit" seems to me bitter, especially since your candidate was expected to win and now has an even more uphill battle to win the nomination than she did at this time yesterday.

I think the reason 10MM is sticking out as fishy to us is because this is the exact amount of money she is in debt.

I don't buy it.

I'm neither angry nor bitter.

Because the fact remains that last night's results changed nothing. She won by 9pts after being up by 20+ a few weeks ago. She netted maybe 15 delegates. And she bankrupted her campaign in the process.

She made absolutely no dent in Obama's lead and time is quickly running out.

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You know what I am, really, today? Relieved, happy, calm. Glad that stupid fucking shit fight in Pa is over. Delighted that she only won by a single digit margin, no matter how they try to spin it.

And further pleased that the media seems to be finally getting it - the campaign of The Restoration is over.

55% - 45% = 10% Buy a calculator if you can't do the math.

Calculators don't creatively round numbers.

you of course realize that that monkey you have for a picture obviously has a MUCH larger brain pan than you.

This from someone whose brain pan is still in the dishwasher.

propaganda...i'm skeptical, they just want to reassure donors and add to their BS "comeback" argument.

Wonder how much of the alleged 10 is another loan from Bill?

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Ah, since when do we start believing anything Team Clinton ever says. Their willingness to lie is well documented.

Ignore and Full Steam Ahead!

Let's see, Obama needs 3x funding advantage to lose by around 10%. What amount would it have taken to actually win?!

Yes, too bad she has less money. Imagine if she had same amount? Would Obama have lost by 25-35%? I gave Clinton $100 last night. Money well spent.

Matthew
http://www.TheIndependentView.com

Do you think that if Hillary outspends Obama 3-1 in North Carolina, she will win?

Your silence is telling.

"Yes, too bad she has less money. Imagine if she had same amount?"

Well, should we also imagine she has the same amount of pledged delegates or popular vote?

Her financial woes are indicative of her overall lack of support nationally. Her money woes are her problem. Not Obama's.

Her financial woes are indicative of a class divide within the Democratic party. A divide that Obama supporters would like to remedy by throwing more and more money at their candidate as the measure of their contempt not only for Hillary, but for the working people that she represents.

**Yeppers! $10 bucks at a time. That's how I'm dividing it. And I can go on for MONTHS this way. Me and my buddies. Us elites. How far in the hole will she be by Indiana? Hitchhiking, maybe?

Every time people like you give money to Obama it's that much money not going into the illegal drug trade.

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Her financial woes are indicative of a class divide within the Democratic party. A divide that Obama supporters would like to remedy by throwing more and more money at their candidate as the measure of their contempt not only for Hillary, but for the working people that she represents.

Dude, have you even looked at the data?

Percentage of donors of $200 or less:

Clinton 23%
Obama 40%

Percentage of donors of $2300 or more:

Clinton 51%
Obama 32%

Amount received from PACs:

Clinton $1,216,842
Obama $250

It's clear who the candidate of the "elite" is.

Do the Boilermakers, the Teamsters, the Service Employees and the Culinary Workers also scorn working people? Does Mark Penn feel an obvious and palpable solidarity for them? Is "screw 'em" Mrs Clinton's means of expressing her admiration?

Be serious do...

Poor financial management!

With all those mouths to feed, you piss away a C-note by contributing to Hillary's debt relief fund.

Sweet.

Your website still sucks, by the way.

Can you name a state or contest where Clinton was trailing by 25 points and closed the gap to less than 10? Just curious....

And for the brain dead out there, money doesn't equal votes. It's necessary to get out advertisements, etc., but it doesn't translate into votes. Otherwise, Romney would be the Republican nominee.

Sure that bit of logic will fall on deaf ears/blind eyes....

For that matter - just name a state she has gained ground in period.

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Exactly!!! This is why it is over. She simply does not gain anywhere!

She won't gain in Indiana so she'll either loose or win by less than 4%. She is behind in both Oregon and NC. Even if he doesn't close a huge amount in Kentucky or West Virginia; she still can't win.

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I sent another $100 to Obama last night, so we're even.

Not hard to imagine at all. What were those numbers before Iowa? She was the all but crowned presidential candidate because of her funding and structural advantages. She had to work her hiny off to blow all that so that a 9.5 point lead in the state most favorable to her demographics provides a whiff of oxygen to her followers. That's HRC- she'll fight to the bitter end, even after the audience has left and her opponent is out celebrating.

Good for you. It is a tribute to Sen Clinton that she inspires so much confidence in yourself and others like you. I tip my hat to her.

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"Yes, too bad she has less money. Imagine if she had same amount?"

Well, she doesn't. So suck it. She'll need to sweep the board on the remaining states and win 2/3rds of the remaining super delegates.

Wow, will you part the Red Sea next?

Wow, will you part the Red Sea next?


Sorry, double post in response to Weaver's 'magnanimous' donation.

Absolutely. Mark Penn needs it.

Clinton has the burden of explaining why a potentially quixotic quest is worth the damage that might be accruing to the Democratic Party. Two weeks from tonight, the overall delegate number will probably not have changed much, and Obama, if he wins Indiana and North Carolina, will have made up the net popular vote gain that Clinton takes away from tonight. Obama will focus heavily on John McCain over the next two weeks; Clinton will do largely what she's been doing.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/the_state_of_the_race.php

What she's been doing is skewing the whole media discussion of the race hard Right.

Hillary Clinton is the best thing that ever happened to conservatism. It was dead and left for buried, and she's single-handedly lending it new vigor.

I keep coming back to the fact that all of this liberal-bashing she's gleefully encouraging will come back to bite, her, hard, in November.

She can't out-hawk McCain, so she's not getting the uber-hawk vote she seems to be swinging for, and she's effectively alienated or enraged half the Democratic base.

How does she win without the base? Who makes up those numbers?

McCain will have HIS base. They'll be fired up, against Clinton.

Who will have Clinton's back?
The liberals she disparages and demeans? African Americans, who are furious at BOTH Clintons?
The young people she discarded as "kool aid drinkers"?


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Who will have Clinton's back? The liberals she disparages and demeans? African Americans, who are furious at BOTH Clintons? The young people she discarded as "kool aid drinkers"?


But she doesn't need Democrats, remember? She thinks the Republicans are going to elect her instead of a real Republican. We've seen this movie already. This is Conservatism Loses Democrats Election III, if she's the nominee.

The people funding her campaign can't be very smart. Let's look at this in terms of stock investments. Do you invest your money into a company that you are certain is going under? Do you buy stocks of a company to bail them out of debt?

We are certain that Obama is the nominee (barring something tragic), so why are people bailing her out?

They're lying. Just like they been lying every step of the way when it comes to fund raising numbers.

When the numbers come out weeks from now for this period, no one is going to remember, let alone be able to prove they did raise this but that's what they're counting on.

This is all for the benefit of Super delegates.

Actually, the $10 million raised won't go to pay off the debt, it'll go towards negative television ads.

But don't expect the open primaries of Indiana and North Carolina to behave like Pennsylvania's geriatrics. Both states are younger, especially North Carolina, and independents can vote in each primary. (North Carolina is where a lot of the young people who fled Pennsylvania winters and job losses ended up).

Over the next two weeks, we'll be treated to much hoopla about how the Democratic race is once again up for grabs. Then, on May 5, Hillary's hopes will be dashed once more.

And then? After the votes are counted in all the primaries, look for the Gang of Four - Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and John Edwards - to join together and issue a challenge to the superdelegates: Make up your minds.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04232008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/too_little__too_late_107751.htm

Invest in your future, invest in Clinton.

The tide has turned.

Hey troll, have you provided any feasible way she can pull this off?

Please explain how she will obtain the nomination. Thank you.

Signed,

Reality

What happened to that 30pt prediction?

9pts is a far way from 30.

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Another $25 for Obama, thanks to you. You keep being stupid, and I'm going to be broke.

Great news! Now pay us back!!!!

--Everybody

Barack Obama did exactly what he wanted to do in Pennsylvania.... he made Shrilliary Clintjoke spend millions to defend a state that she had in the bad.

Way to go!

Hillary has 10 million in debt. Do you think she uses her money to pay those creditors? Hardly. They'll get paid last... if at all.


I loved seeing MSNBC announce today that the race for delegates is over, and Barack Obama has official won the race for most delegates.

I am sure the supers are paying attention.

15% of Pennsylvanians think Obama is a muslim (wrong)

8% of Pennsylvanians admit they would never vote for a black man (racist)

I think that explains the 8.5% margin.

Obama will more than make up for that in November with indepedents and moderate republicans.

Go Obama! Yes We Can! Yes We Have! Yes We Will!

OMG!!!! HILLARY IS NOW AHEAD IN THE POPULAR VOTE!!

I didn't realize she would close the gap and overtake Obama that fast. But here's the news:

More People Have Voted For Hillary Than Any Other Candidate: “After last night's decisive victory in Pennsylvania, more people have voted for Hillary than any other candidate, including Sen. Obama. Estimates vary slightly, but according to Real Clear Politics, Hillary has received 15,095,663 votes to Sen. Obama's 14,973,720, a margin of more than 120,000 votes. ABC News reported this morning that ‘Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama’ in the popular vote. This count includes certified vote totals in Florida and Michigan.”

I'm sure there will be arguments from the Obama camp over the Michigan and Florida votes, but I'm stunned that Hillary has pulled ahead already. I'd expected it to come later.

Of course now we'll hear all the arguments from the Obama camp that people don't count as much as delegates.

You are joking right? He wasn't on the MI ballot. And even if you do include FL and MI, she is only up 11,000.

How many votes did Obama get in Michigan according to that rubric?

Zero. They're not counting any of the "Uncommitted" votes. In other words, they're a joke.

They have to leave out all the caucuses, too.

Big deal.

Funny how you need to parrot the spinning line "more people have voted for Hillary than any other candidate..."

Forgetting the total absurdity of including Michigan, and the relative absurdity of including Florida, we shall see who leads in the irrelevant "poular vote" after IN and NC.

No, you'll hear arguments about how she didn't pull ahead in the popular votes.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/clinton-camp-mi.html

You don't read too well, do you?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Clinton DOWN by over 200,000.

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 14,973,720 47.4% 15,095,663 47.8% Clinton +121,943 +0.4%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 15,307,804 47.5% 15,319,525 47.5% Clinton +11,721 +0.03%

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thats only true if you count florida and michigan, while not counting Iowa, Maine, Washington, and Nevada...

I spoke to this assertion by Sen Clinton in my recent reader blog post. Her claim that more folks have voted for her than for Sen Obama is a bit disingenuous. No one really knows that. Four caucus states do not tally votes - just delegates awarded. That said, actually people did actually vote in IA, NV, ME & WA and Obama won three of those four. As such, it is entirely possible that more folks have voted for him to date than have voted for her. We really have no good way of knowing one way or another.

More to the point, two days ago Obama could have made the same breathless assertion and it would have been indisputably true, and in a few weeks time he will be able to say the same again. Would you be impressed if he were to say that? If not, why do you expect that any of us will be any more impressed when she says it?

You're so cute. You believe everything Hillary tells you. Adorable!

Invest in Hillary's Future.... as Governor of New York.

Invest in Obama!

Ok for the last F*cking time. Michigan and Florida do NOT count as they broke the rules.

All candidates agreed to that.

of course I wouldn't expect Shrilliary Clintjoke and her husband Billdo Clintjoke to stay true to their word.

What do they know about credibility?

One can't remember Bosnia and the other ruined the democratic party with a dna stain on a blue dress.

Ohhhhh Classy couple there!

Millions of people don't count when a handful of their representatives make a poor choice.

New Politics! Hooray!

"Elect me so I can shaft you."

So how do you count all those millions of folks who turned up to vote "uncommitted" in Michigan?

Personally, I think you should put uncommitted in Obama's tally or redo the election. Support from both candidates would make it happen.

They certainly did not agree to that. They agreed not to campaign in those states. Obama broke that promise and campaigned in Florida. But they never agreed that the voters of Michigan and Florida would have no say at the convention. Obama is the only one trying to make that happen.

Actually, she's behind by half a million.

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Are back to MI and FL?


Holy Jumping Jackrabbit Jesus!


Are y'all going still be saying this the day Obama cleans off his shoe, pops his collar, and takes the oath of office?

I believe you will.

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The only logical explanation I have is that the trolls have been hired by team clinton to infest the internets and post garbage about popular vote totals, in hopes that superdelegates are dumb enough to believe their posts and think they represent teeming millions of voters.

Thankfully, the veiled comments I've seen from supers in the press shows they're not that easily fooled.

I'm afraid I'm joining the ever growing chorus of those who once defended the Clintons, who now wish they would just go away. My father and I had so many arguments over the years. If I had a dollar for every time I heard "How can you defend those people? They lie every time they open their mouths, and don't care who they ruin as long as it benefits them?"

If these superdelegates had any balls at all, they would end this before the Clintons completely destroy any hope for our party in November. That's if there's any party left.

For anyone interested:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html


And they don't include numbers for the TX caucus (as they should, since it was a separate and distinct event)

Obama supporters should get to vote twice!

New politics!

Hillary supporters got a second chance in the Texas Caucus, Right? WHat's the beef?

I'll give even money that this fundraising total includes another seven figure "loan" from her and Bill's personal piggy bank.

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You're on.

"Axis of Imbecility". I just needed to repeat that.

I was going to post the exact same thing. Given the amount of press coverage on HRC's campaign debts, I'm guessing the tee vee networks are requiring payment in advance these days.

I smell complete BS on this one. She won PA by exactly as much as she was predicted to. No way did they raise $10M in less than 24 hours.

By the time their fund-raising must be reported, Team Clinton is counting on the MSM to forget the boasts (and they will). This is nothing more than a naked attempt to control the media narrative.

How much of that is primary money, btw? I know that they're claiming 50,000 new donors but that doesn't necessarily mean they account for the bulk of the money.

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Under cover of the PA news, Hillary's big donors figure out a sleight of hand method to pay off her debts before she concedes.

And at the heart of that is McAuliffe, the guy who helped them pay of millions of debt after 2000 and who guided them into the post-2000 insider game where the players lay down chunks of integrity to score some big chunks of money.

Former Edwards National General Chairman and 49 Other Edwards Supporters Throw Support to Barack Obama....

Keep throwing that money into the fire, Weaver.

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Whoa whoa whoa - this is the first I heard of this - is this new news?

link?

Pig out.

Really, $10M from 50K new contributers in 24 hours(maybe)?

Obama got 75K +/- new contributers since the ABC debates. So at this rate will Clinton save the banking system of U.S.A. and Europe in a week or maybe two weeks?

Clinton is absolutely leading in something, it is just a bit unclear!

Watch half of it be GE money, like in past months.

In any case, Obama has taken in 30,000 donations since last night, per his donation counter. Hillary hasn't done anything special here.

You mean 30M+ new donors. That's not counting us folks that have given in the past.

What Josh's latest video-thing and the TPM site in general fails to mention is that with Penn over, there is no way now for Clinton to catch Obamas lead. That's why she needed to win big, was to catch Obama.

That's the facts.

specious arguments about the popular vote are, oh, specious arguments. It leaves out the states that caucus, for some weird reason they add MI and FL (though those states do not count by their own actions).

This thing is over.

If Hillary was to tarnish Obama so bad that the super delegates overturned the election, that would be the end of democratic party for me, and I bet many others.

At this point she is only harming the party, and I bet, her own career, and her husbands legacy.

We have major problems that need solutions.

The price of gas and food is causing riots.

Two wars, middle class in ruins, trade deficits, lost jobs , it goes on and on.

Do you really want a rookie politician with no experience to hope these problems away?

Lets get real, we need a fighter like Clinton, a larger Dem rubber stamp Congress to shove change down their throat.

They will have to fight for it because the gop will not change and will vote together to stop change.

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I've fixed your post, gotalife. You probably didn't notice the typos, grammatical errors, and failures of logic. It's all cleaned up now...

We have major problems that need solutions.

The price of gas and food is causing riots (in other countries, of course).

Two wars, middle class in ruins, trade deficits, lost jobs: it goes on and on.

Do you really want a politician who divides the public like no other?

Let's get real: we need Obama. Because of his coattails, there will be an even larger Dem majority in Congress.

The gop will not change and will vote together to stop change and therefore, we must elect Obama

Thank you. You appear to be a certified and competent translator. Care to be the designated translator to assist gotalife in making a point? You get my vote.

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No can do. My brain hurts enough as it is, after reading gotalife over the last several months.

We need Troll Critic 3000.

I'm sure no one appreciates those donations to Hillary more than John McCain because it will allow her to continue to his job for him without costing him a dime.

Amazing that Hillary supporters continue to delude themselves into thinking that she can win the nomination. Sorry, but there is no chance that the Superdelegates will overturn a 100 plus delegate advantage for Obama, because they know it will destroy the party.

Sorry, it's over. Anyone continuing to support Hillary at this point should be honest and admit what the ramifications are of continuing to bloody Obama. Maybe they like the way things are going in the country.


On that note, I wonder how much of that $3.5MM was from Cindy McCain?

Why is it that every time Obama loses another crucial primary state, his supporters state the obvious and say that this only helps McCain? The fact that Obama is a much weaker candidate electorally doesn't go away just because Hillary drops out of the race. You should get down on your hands and knees and thank her for pointing out the fact that Obama simply can't win. The support is not there, even within his own party. McCain prays every night that Democrats will go through with a fatally flawed process, and nominate the candidate who can't carry Florida, Michigan, California, Ohio, or Pennsylvania.

Why do all the Clinton supporters think Obama can't win? He's ahead of YOUR candidate. Idiots.

Ahead where? The only thing that matters is who can win elections in which states. Obama proved that he can buy elections and caucuses in small states like Idaho where his money advantage goes a long way, and that he can get blacks to vote for him in states like South Carolina and Mississippi, but he has completely failed to appeal to key democratic constituencies or to carry key swing states. He's a flop as a candidate.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Clinton has fared no better. If, as you point out, it is true that a democrat cannot win without PA, it is equally true that a democrat cannot win without WI, MN and WA - all of which Sen Clinton lost in the primaries and all of which show her losing to John McCain but John McCain losing to Barack Obama. In other words, while it is possible that Obama cannot beat McCain, it is no more likely than the claim that Clinton cannot beat McCain.

John Kerry carried Washington, Wisconsin and Minnesota and he still lost the election. I can easily see Obama doing exactly the same thing. I can't conceive of Hillary carrying Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida and Michigan, while not also carrying Washington, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

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I don't know where you get your ideas from, but it isn't the data. Hillary runs worse than Obama in Michigan. Also, if you've looked at internals at all you'll see that Washington (and pretty much anywhere in the Mountain West/Pacific that isn't California) is a complete stretch for her. I don't know what it is, I've never teased it out, the Clintons are despised out here. The areas she does well (with Latinos in NM, Cal, & AZ) will be taken out by McCain (exception Cal--but either Dem will take that state).

Also, don't count PA just yet. The areas she "won" to beat Obama in were the GOP leaning areas. Obama won the Dem strongholds. If even 6 or 7% of those people stay home because they are pissed the Super Dels stole the primary process she will lose PA.

Furthermore all of your concerns about Obama are coming as he's fighting a 2 front war. Give them man some actual institutional backing, have the Clintons come out and say they support his candidacy and have lost, factor in a convention bump and we're fine again. But for God's sake do it soon, I'm a political junkie and this is making me want to tear my eyes out.

In the first place, polls don't mean spit at this stage of the game. All that matters is how people are voting and where. It doesn't matter that Obama is popular with Democrats in red states - that kind of information is less than useless because no democrat is ever going to carry those states. All that matters is which candidate can carry key states and constituencies. Obama is failing to get the support of key states like Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania, and key constituencies like the elderly, Hispanics, and working people. Young people always flake out in the general and black voters get behind whoever the Democratic candidate is. All the vital indicators say that only Hillary has a chance in November, and that Obama would lose in a landslide.

Even if he were a moderate Democrat with plenty of experience and without all the questionable extremist connections, Obama would still have a hard time getting elected simply because he is black. That's just the way it is in America. But you're asking average Americans to take a chance on a young and inexperienced liberal who also happens to be black, and it ain't gonna happen.

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If you are seriously arguing that we shouldn't nominate him because he's black I have very little left to say to you. Your argument is repulsive.

I'm going to assume you aren't a racist and answer some things.

Obama has already proven that he will turn out young people at rates that the United States hasn't seen in generations. Riddle me this, do you think any of those people turn out if their candidate wins the most delegates, most states, and most votes (her "popular vote if you count MI which didn't count" rubric won't even hold). The answer is no, they don't.

Now, if you're fine writing off the youth and African American vote all so Lady Clinton can ascend to what she believes is her destiny, so be it. She'll lose, and you'll do irreparable damage to the party for a generation.

You are still missing the point of the state internals. Look, her argument is that she wins big blue states, right? If you look at the actual numbers he's winning the blue parts of those states, she's winning the red parts of those states. What that means is that she is less likely to actually carry those states in the general, got it? An example, Obama carries the areas that gave Rendell a win, just not by the same margins Rendell got. The point is, that she will lose those states, because she's getting her support from counties/precincts that will switch once the GOP and Independents get in the race.

This race is convincing me that Hillary supporters are incapable of nuance and reason, for the record. Don't even get me started on math.

#1 When you play the race card, it's more evidence of exactly why Obama can't win. I never said he shouldn't be nominated because he's black. I said he shouldn't be nominated because he's a black liberal with questionable connections and no experience who can't possibly win in the general election.

#2 Yes, I am writing off the youth vote because they always flake out in the general election and they have never been the deciding factor. Old people often are. Blacks will vote for Hillary in any case.

#3 The fact that Hillary has support in the red districts of blue and swing states makes her more likely to carry that state in the general election, not less likely. Obama's appeal is to the black and liberal base in urban areas, which isn't enough to carry these states in the general election.

I can't conceive of Hillary carrying Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida and Michigan, while not also carrying Washington, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Fair enough. I think that you could have shortened that sentence a good bit and it would have been just as accurate. I can't conceive of Hillary carrying Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida and Michigan. Specifically, I very much doubt that she would carry either FL or MI; the head-to-head polls show Obama winning MI against McCain but Clinton losing against McCain there and both of them losing to McCain in FL.

I'm not finding any confirmation on ABC that they said Hillary had pulled ahead of Obama in the popular vote including Michigan and Florida, so the story may be false. Or perhaps premature? We'll see.

Meanwhile the Obama camp is now hinting that the gloves are coming off. Referring to their previous campaign tactics as "counter-punching" they hint that it's going to get uglier. Of course they have engaged in ugly politics all along, but have been pretty successful at painting it as all being defensive. Now, faced with his poor performance in the ABC debate, and Hillary's amazing performance in Pennsylvania despite being "counter-punched" by negative Obama ads three to one, Obama has decided to take the risk of completely undermining one of the pillars of his campaign by going nasty. I guess his supporters haven't noticed how nasty he's been all along, but they will now. And of course "Annie Oakley" supporters won't be surprised at all.

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More pathetic spin from the Clinton campaign. The goal is to make people believe that she's got momentum going into her losses in Indiana and North Carolina.

I won't vote for Shrilliary Clintjoke for President in November.

Want to know why?

She won't be on the ballot!


GOOOOOOOOOOO Obama 08!

YES WE CAN! YES WE DID! YES WE WILL!

You have the writing style of a Clinton troll. Try toning down the capslock and exclamation points and mindless cheerleading.


All of this popular vote talk is for the money donating masses. This argument is not going to fly with Super-Delegates.

She needs monster money right now, and is going to lie to anybody in order to get it.

She probably loaned herself some more money so they could really float this number. Again she's trying to make news so she gets free coverage. Anybody donating money is likely pretty politically saavy, meaning they knew she was supposed to win Pennsylvania, and the fact that it was by 10 points means it was basically a tie.

If Hillary was smart she should forget NC and go hard in Indiana. Even if she loses NC by big numbers she can push her Indiana win. If she loses both Indiana and NC, it will be catastrophic for her.

Otto:
Please find in the DNC rules where the popular vote is mentioned as a deciding factor for the Democratic nomination.
While you are there, please find me any reference to "electoral votes".
Thanks

Please find the Democratic rules where it says pledged delegates are the deciding factor for the nomination. Last time I checked, both candidates needed superdelegates to hand them the nomination.

No one has aruged pledged delegates - it's delegates in general as opposed to popular vote.

And since Obama has netted ~85 SDs since Super Tuesday, compared to ~10 for Clinton, I'm happy to let the supers have their say.

Then I don't get the issue. She is free to use her lead in the popular vote to convince superdelegates she should be the nominee.

If the lead was real, go right ahead. But I don't think supers are that stupid.

We'll see. I'm sure they're smart enough to know that just as there are problems with the popular vote tally, there are problems with the results of caucuses. Caucuses disenfranchise the elderly and shift workers and superdelegates need to take the whole picture into account. Clinton can point to the discrepancy between the TX popular vote and the caucus results.

Totally agree. They should look at the whole picture.

But, I have to say, blaming the caucus system is a little disingenuous. Hillary knew caucuses were on the schedule but simply didn't plan accordingly or have the activist base to succeed in them. That's only her fault.

DISENFRENCHFRY!!!

Apologies for my ineptness in posting, but see lower in the thread for a reply.

If it were honest, but she has to leave out the caucuses and include MI wnd FL. She's saying "Hey lookee here! I won 100% of the votes from people who voted for Hillary".

Undecided supers aren't stupid (craven maybe, but not stupid). If I can see this, they can, too.

From CBS News:

"Republican strategist John Feehery put it less charitably: 'That's the danger of running as holier-than-thou. You have a lot farther to fall.'"

I didn't realize that running on the idea that negative attacks against a primary opponent are bad politics and bad policy was "holier-than-thou."

The Clinton supporters all seem to be in favor of the politics of personal destruction, even though those politics were used to beat Dukakis, Gore and Kerry, and were used to effectively cripple the Clinton administration.

Stockholm Syndrome much?

It's bad politics when you claim to be against the politics of personal destruction but then launch character attacks against Clinton calling her dishonest and untrustworthy, poll-tested and divisive, calculating...oh my how the list goes on.

Of course, those are just bread and butter issues.

When you see a commercial highlighting Monica's blue dress, get back to us.

I think Obama's been incredibly reserved in this campaign considering that he's been targeted as a radical black seperationist, a muslim, and a marxist among other things. But the problem is that Clinton supporters are using that to say he is not a "fighter". The truth is that Obama realizes (unlike Clinton) that he needs a united party in the fall campaign and he's trying his best not to alienate her supporters. He cares about the PARTY, unlike Clinton who only cares about HERSELF.

The tide has turned???????

Yes, Hillary, and the tide is full of old white-haired women who just LOVE YOU.

Obama's money was used to cut a 25 point lead to 9.5% and has prevented what would have been an even worse story out of PA. Everyone hemming and hawing about how he out spent Hillary and still lost don't really get the bigger picture. Which means you are just like you dellusional candidate!!!!

Now Obama can focus on IN and NC and end the thing.

All you people tossing funds to Clinton must be former Enron investors. Terry M. is a total liar and even with 10million they can't last long. Her campaign costs 1million a day. So that gets her to May...

It's Obama nomination. Show Momma the door.

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the only tide that turned was the tide last night that turned up a big dead stinking fish called the Clinton Campaign.

Now she drive her campaign even further into debt.

I donated my share at www.hillaryclinton.com

I donated my share at www.hillaryclinton.com

You sound like a Hillary Clinton stump speech, always plugging her site like some hack actor on a late night talk show.

Mark Penn thanks you for putting a $10 dent in the $4.5 million he is owed.

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I don't trust Hillary, and I don't trust that the money coming in is of a legitimate nature. I have never had any doubt that she *will* have the money coming in - she has the most powerful backers and they're counting on her to keep the game going for them.

The equally telling figure is what Obama has raised in the same period of time. I got an email from his campaign this morning, asking for a few bucks, and calmly ponied up. I wish he was more aggressive about picking up on these kinds of opportunities to reply. She sure doesn't miss any.

I'm more surprised that people are willing to throw money away.

With all the media calling it a 55 to 45 win for Hillary in Pennsylvania, the Huffington Post has resorted to not rounding off the decimals in order to make her victory look smaller. And they call Hillary desperate. lolol

9.3% rounds to 9 not 10. It's not spin.

.4 and below rounds down, .5 and above rounds up. It's math. I know Hillary isn't a big fan of math.

¡¡¡HILMATHEMATICS!!! does not observe your elitist significant figures.

HILLARY rounds first, and asks questions later.

ha!

I know, right and these people would let Hillary to bomb Iran like it's 1945 if she gets to the WH.

I for one don't believe that MacAuliffe is telling the truth. I'll believe that number when I see it.

a fighter like Clinton
The only thing she "fights" is the reality that the Democratic party has chosen Obama and nothing she can do can change that fact.

Clinton lost last night because without that 20 point victory, and delegate booth, she now has no way to win the nomination. There are no states left for her to win. It is losses for Clinton here on out, and even if she does slide a victory out of one state that is left, she can't catch Obama's lead, because, indeed, it was Clinton that failed to close the deal last night. She had the lead she needed in the beginning. That 20 point lead. All she had to do was hold on to it. She didn't. She won, but she lost the nomination. Too bad. So Sad. See you later -except wait! No! She continues to put herself adn her delusions above the party.

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Uh, she hasn't raised $10 million.

Terry Mac says she's "on track" to raise $10 million by the end of the day.

And we all know Terry Mac wouldn't lie or spin, don't we.

Thank you. Nice catch on his wording.

You're right. Just like a ballplayer who hits a homerun in the first game is on track for 162 over the year. The big burst she had reported - the $2.5M over the first six hours after the victory, he probably used his fuzzy math to say "well if she made $2.5M in six hours, that means she's on pace to pull in $10M in the next 24 hours!!"

"After last night's decisive victory in Pennsylvania, more people have voted for Hillary than any other candidate, including Sen. Obama.

Estimates vary slightly, but according to Real Clear Politics, Hillary has received 15,095,663 votes to Sen. Obama's 14,973,720, a margin of more than 120,000 votes. ABC News reported this morning that "Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama" in the popular vote."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/23/113754/921

Watching C Span, the gop are blocking any attempt to lower gas prices by the Dems.

Obama voted for cheney's energy bill and is against a gas tax holiday.

Thank Obama and the gop when you pay at the pump.

I guess that is his hope for unity.

Are you in favor of the gas tax holiday?

I am in favor of releasing the oil reserve and stop buying for it.

I am against the cheney bill Obama voted for.

I am for gas tax holiday or any action to lower gas prices.

Obama wants to do nothing.

He is bought by big oil and continues to lie about taking their money.

Look at his actions not his bs.

The gas tax holiday is a joke.

It would deprive the Highway Trust Fund of roughly $10 billion, which is needed to repair highway infrastructure, while saving people roughly 1.5 cents per gallon.

That might be 15 cents per gallon, let me double check my math...

Yes. The gas tax is about 5% of a gallon of gas. So ~15 cents per gallon at the expense of billions of dollars to repair our highways and bridges. No thanks.

I do not disagree with you, dear Hyper-Revue, but it seems to me that you missed the strongest argument against the Gas Tax Holiday - it rewards bad behavior. The price increases we are seeing are the result, in large measure of our own wasteful overconsumption. They are the market offering its own natural correction. By trying to use tax policy to do an end run around this correction, we only encourage the problem of wasteful over-consumption to fester and grow, such that price-hikes grow at an ever increasing rate.

Thanks, Greg. I totally agree.

Your name is Greg, right? I don't remember your old username.

Yes, "Greg" is my name. You remember correctly.

Something else I think might happen if a gas tax holiday were to take place is that the oil companies would quickly fill the vacuum left by the removal of the Fed gas tax with a price increase, bringing the price right back up again, then when the tax resumes, we'll get clobbered again. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've had it with the media (especially the broadcast media) hyperventilating about this story every day. I can see it going up at the pump, unless you have something new to say about the problem, I've heard enough, and you're just aggravating me for no reason other than your competitive business of TV news.

abc updated their story:

But without the rogue states, Obama is still up by 500,000 -- and if you can find another objective measurement by which she’s in the lead, let us know."

Including the popular votes from Florida and Michigan -- which were not sanctioned Democratic National Committee primaries, where the candidates did not compete, where Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois was not even on the ballot in Michigan -- is a sketchy notion, and Rick was conveying that with the proper air of skepticism.

Somehow, the Clinton campaign took his report and twisted it into this: "ABC News reported this morning that 'Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama' in the popular vote."

That is a false reflection of what ABC News reported.

- jpt

9.2 rounds to 9 not 10. It's not spin.

.4 and below rounds down; .5 and above rounds up. It's simple math. Although I know Hillary is not the biggest fan of math these days.

haha, dammit!

Such numbers won't really shift the underlying financial dynamic of the race, as Obama had over $40 million in cash on hand at the beginning of this month, while the Hillary camp was in the red. Still, such numbers are good for morale, something Hillaryland was in sore need of heading into yesterday.

I hope that all of my fellow Obama supporters who have been ragging Mr Sargent about his pro-Clinton bias read that paragraph. Please tell me how that reflects a pro-Clinton spin.

Greg's letting those who are stupid enough to donate to a dead campaign know, that though these numbers seem big, Clinton still needs more donations.

as a "muckraking" site, they should expect their muck to get raked.

They don't need you defending them. They're grownups.

Sigh...

Clearly logic doesn't matter to Clintonistas.

Michigan and Florida do not count.

They don't count.

Hillary said they don't count.

Everyone agreed they wouldn't count.


So guess what?

They don't count.

I guarantee the super delegates are brushing off your popular vote argument. It's a crock, and they know it.

Hillmath works for me too. If you don't count the loss of my front teeth, or the zits, or the broken nose, or the male pattern baldness, or etc, I would be better looking than George Clooney!

Just kidding, I AM George Cloony.

Lies and the lying liars who tell them.
I believe that when I see the proof. They are pathological.

I. Can't. Take. It. Anymore. Alright I've been talked down off my ledge from last night's results... actually I was just looking at the view from the balcony. But I can't stand listening to another two weeks of absolute... bull shit... from the Clinton Kamikaze Campaign asshats like Mcauliffe (met him in person - he is a cretin) giving the brain dead media the 'Clinton Rules,' which don't apply to math, logic, truth or reality. Wake me May 7.

Note to supers: End her. Now. Please.

Senator Obama can raise tens of millions of dollars from his huge group of loyal supporters, with one burst of emailing. Hillary can never ever match this power of his purse! Her negative campaigning and smart ass remarks like: "Why can't he close the deal." Well, he can and will close the DEAL. Team Billary will soon be packing their tent and heading back to New York. Buba Boy can hang out in Harlem where he loves it, and Hillary can learn to bake cookies!

That money is from the big donors who were waiting on the sidelines to give her money. She will never make more money than Obama. He has 1.4 million donors. All last night after he lose, we had new donors plus the recurring donors donating at rapid paces. Obama supporters donate to Barack on principal.

Bragging about the money raised might not be a good thing. I assume they think it will encourage fellow supporters to donate, however it could also have the opposite effect of "She's getting a lot of donations, I don't need to donate". I mean $50-$100 bucks is more valuable to me than it would be to somebody who made $10M over night. It could also have the effect of raising a good chunk of money for Obama.

It's all an attempt to get free news coverage. I think this is the reason why Obama didn't want to debate her anymore - the debates are 2 hours of free air time for her, and then 2-3 days of free coverage. He's made this campaign about money now- that's the only way he can get her out without alienating her supporters that he'll need come the GE.

The ridiculous thing is is that Clinton would likely be in the same place if she didn't go negative, as I don't think it really helped her campaign any in that the amount she convinced to vote her way was probably off-set by then number of voters she turned off. And in the process of going negative she basically killed any chance she had of possibly getting the VP ticket. I mean in a race so tightly contested, it would make perfect sense to join forces, however it is impossible to do so now.

It's funny. I now can identify Greg's posts from the front page without having to click on Election Central. Just look for the breathless, implausible headline trumpeting Hillary's latest triumph. Without fail, Greg is behind those posts. I hope Hillary gets her $10 million. It won't matter. Indiana and NC come off the board for Obama in two weeks and we can all rest up for the general. Most of the media folks who think Indiana is more like Ohio and Pennsylvania than Illinois know nothing about any of those states.

Oh, wait--the source for this story was Terry McAuliffe. Never mind.

--Greg Rodham Sargent

Shhhhhhhhh,........hear that.....that's the tide turning. hahahahahahahahahahahahah seeya in NC.

Turns out it was true! ABC News is reporting Hillary ahead in the popular vote if Michigan and Florida are counted.

Popular vote Not counting Michigan and Florida:
Clinton 13,830,041
Obama 14,333,568


Popular vote Counting Michigan and Florida:
Clinton 15,015,400
Obama 14,902,609

This is MAJOR BAD NEWS for Obama. He will have to try to counter this news by either saying that the people of those two critical swing states shouldn't be counted, or that somehow Hillary didn't really win more votes in those states. Either way he comes out looking even worse. Clinton will make the argument that it is people who will count in November, and Obama will whine, "But the rules say..."

A) He doesn't have to make the case that those 2 states shouldn't be counted because the DNC already has.

B) In 2 weeks once NC and IN vote, he'll be back up even with FL and MI so it'll be a moot point. Unless Hillary's whole argument is, "I should be the nominee because I was ahead in the unofficial popular vote tally for 2 weeks in April!"

C) The popular vote doesn't decide the nominee - delegates do. Period.

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"I should be the nominee because I was ahead in the unofficial popular vote tally for 2 weeks in April!"

Which would totally derail the argument that Clinton keeps making: let everyone vote!!!


A) He will have to make the case for disenfranchising the voters of Florida and Michigan because he's the one blocking their representation at the convention and everyone knows it.

B) You're forgetting Puerto Rico and Hillary's Hispanic base.

C)The only time the popular vote doesn't matter to Obama supporters is when Obama is behind in the popular vote.

The ONLY way Hillary is ahead is if you count votes from Florida and Michigan (which didn't even have another name on the ballet - just uncommited) and DON'T count the following caucas states:

Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Iowa, Nevada, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, and Wyoming.

Do the voters of these states suddenly not count? Popular vote isn't much of a metric if it leaves out 12 states!

brb...gotta help the Queen count her loot.

brb...gotta help the Queen count her loot.

It'll be a HUGE challenge for Obama to counter this.

"Um. I wasn't on the ballot in Michigan."

Only a moron would count those votes. Sorry, Otto game over!

Ignoring the trolls, I just gave $50 more to Obama. Yes we can!

I have an engagement ring to pay off, but you guys keep inspiring me to match donations!

At this rate you might want to call it off.

haha! Seriously.

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Just sent another $25 to Obama.

Please. Hillary is only ahead in popular vote if you count Michigan and Florida, AND you don't count the cacus states that he won. By a similar logic: she is also ahead if you only count the states that she won.

In any case, the popular vote (no matter how you count it), it is irrelevant. The Superdelegates are not going to overturn a 100+ delegate lead no matter where the popular vote ends up because they know it will destroy the party.

If you want to see McCain elected in November then by all means keep supporting Hillary.

#1 The people of Florida and Michigan have the same rights and vote that you do, and you have absolutely NO right to disenfranchise them in order to enhance the value of your own vote.

#2 The popular vote matters much more than how many delegates you can buy in a caucus.

#3 The super delegates don't have to follow your rules.

#4 It's Obama who keeps losing all the important swing states that Democrats need to win in November - not Hillary.

It's Obama who keeps losing all the important swing states that Democrats need to win in November - not Hillary.

Not true - Clinton has lost just as many of the critical swing states as has Obama. She lost MN, WI, WA, MO, VA, IA, CO and is on track to lose OR and NC. MN and WI together amount to more electoral votes than OH. WA & OR together amount to almost as many as PA. To fixate on just a few industrial midwestern state is to miss the forest for the trees.

If Washington and Oregon and Minnesota are swing states then so are California, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, which are all more important than any state that Obama has actually won.

No, not really. Kerry and Gore both carried CA, NY, MA & NJ by more than 10%. Kerry and Gore carried WA, MN & WI by far narrower margins. History shows that CA, NY, NJ & MA are solidly blue states, while MN, WI & WA are swing states.

California, New York, New Jersey and California have swung Republican more often than Minnesota, and as much as Wisconsin and Washington.

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No matter how you try to spin or justify it, the Clintons are continuing to DIVIDE the Democratic Party so that it will be easier for John McCain to CONQUER it. The Clintons are executing a winning strategy for Republicans as if they were taking marching orders directly from Karl Rove. Hillary Clinton can't get more electorate votes or delegate votes than Barrack Obama, and the only way to get more superdelegate votes is to alienate and DIVIDE Democratic voters. If this isn't a strategy to CONQUER Democrats, what is it? Is it democracy in action to the point of self-destruction or is it the self-destructive behavior of two megalomaniacal politicians intent on using the democratic process to cause the loss of the Democratic Party's presidential candidate? It will soon reach the point that both Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton will become unelectable as a direct result of the deliberate DIVINDING AND CONQUERING of the Democratic Party by the losing Democratic presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton. While I understand that continuing to vie to be president is within her democratic rights, I also understand the difference between reality and the futility that will put another Republican in the White House. Evidently, far too many Democrats didn't learn that if Ralph Nader had dropped out when winning was impossibility, George Bush would not have president. John McCain is counting on those Democrats to do the same for him. He couldn't do it without them

I wonder how much of the $10M is a personal loan from Hilllary Clinton


With all the voter fraud in Phili:

http://www.avencia.com/electionincidents/

will we get a true voting tally? Clinton is more and more like Bush every day....

This should the Clintonite's spin about MI; the Jan 15th primary was unconstitutional:
"a federal judge ruled today that Michigan's law that placed the primary on January 15th was unconstitutional. The issue at hand was this 2007 law's stipulation that the Election Day's voting lists containing the party preferences of voters (i.e. whether they chose a Democratic or a Republican ballot) would be sent to the state's Democratic and Republican parties. Smaller parties, helped by the ACLU, protested that this was a violation of their rights, and that if they were not going to be given the records as well the Democratic and Republican parties should not get them either.

This issue had been on the table for quite some time now, and some people had speculated (and Clintonites had hoped) that Judge Edmunds could rule that a re-vote is necessary with a proper law as a remedy for the unconstitutional law that set up the January 15th primary. But Edmunds did no such thing: The fact that the primary law (and thus the January 15th primary) is unconstitutional does not mean that there will be a re-vote. In fact, considering that the Michigan legislature adjourned last week without being able to pass a law setting up a do-over, a re-vote is as unlikely as ever.

Two small consequences, however, out of this decision, beyond the very important fact that the judge did not order a revote (a victory for Obama). First, whatever chance there was that the DNC recognize delegates based on the January 15th vote is now almost inexistent. In finding some sort of resolution to the Michigan delegate crisis, the DNC will now be even less sympathetic to pleas from the Michigan Democratic Party since the contest that was held that the state's Democrats want to see counted has now been pretty much invalidated."

I'm a longtime lurker but as someone who voted in the TX primary AND caucus, I think I have something to add here.

It was a big pain to vote in the caucus in my district. You had to be extremely committed to your candidate to vote in it. There were 3 main reasons:

1) You had to make time to vote twice. Doesn't sound like a big deal but even for a strong Obama supporter like me, with nothing particularly better to do, it took considerable willpower to come back and wait in line again for a caucus that would allocate half as many delegates as the primary. Obviously many people with busier lives or kids or limited transportation would have had a much harder time justifying it.

2) None of us had the faintest clue what was going on. Texas has not been an important primary state for decades. Most of us didn't know the system at all. Many people probably didn't hear that there WAS a caucus, and the ones that did didn't know where to go or what to do to vote in it. That made it a lot harder to work up the willpower to participate.

3) This one doesn't get talked about as much, but it was a big deal. The primary was set to close at 7pm, so that the caucus could be started at 7:15. However, like everywhere else in the state, turnout was huge, which meant a long line for the primary. Everyone in line at 7pm was eligible to vote in the primary, but the caucus was not allowed to start until they were ALL finished. So in the end it was after 9pm when I was able to sign my name on the caucus sheet and finally leave. I watched plenty of people walk away while we all stood waiting around outdoors.

So while I'll wholeheartedly agree that the caucus process in Texas discouraged a lot of voters from participating, some much more than others, I would not use the difference between the TX primary and the TX caucus to make ANY extrapolations to other caucus states. That is their only outlet to vote, so people who are interested in voting are much more likely to show up and be familiar with the process. In Texas many people felt that they'd performed their civic duty by voting in the primary. Further, pure caucus states would have been able to start promptly at the scheduled time, instead of making people *stand* outside for nearly two hours.

Sorry, that should have been a reply to another_reader above.

The reason why it's an issue is because a big deal has been made over the past week of Clinton's money deficit, and if this win has brought in some quick cash ($10M is a lot of cash for less than a day), then it's new, and the campaign is using it to promote continuing interest in her campaign. What