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Hillary Hits Obama's Small Town Comments Again: "Elitist And Out Of Touch"

The skirmishing around Obama's remarks about small town America intensified this morning, with Hillary hammering them as "elitist and out of touch" -- language strikingly similar to that used by McCain's spokesperson yesterday.

Hillary also used the remarks to pivot over to a discussion of her own "Midwestern values," and strikingly, she even suggested implicitly that she's more respectful of people's faith than Obama, a member of the United Church of Christ. "Americans who believe in God believe it's a matter of personal faith," she said...

Meanwhile, Obama this morning mounted a spirited defense of his comments. He sought to use the political fight to renew his call for a new politics, dismissing the fight as a "typical political flare-up" and adding that we have to get past such "distractions."

Obama also that he'd spoken the truth in saying folks are "bitter." Notably, he softened his language about religion, saying that it's understandable that some "take comfort from their faith."

But he appeared to concede that he'd misspoken, saying: "I didn't say it as well as I should have...but what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they're being listened to."...

Full transcripts after the jump.

Hillary:

I am the granddaughter of a factory worker. I grew up in the Midwest. Born in Chicago, raised outside of that great city. I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakeable faith America and its promise.

Now, like some of you may have been, I was taken aback by the demeaning remarks Senator Obama made about people in small town America. Senator Obama's remarks are elitist and they are out of touch. They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans. Certainly not the Americans that I know - not the Americans I grew up with, not the Americans I lived with in Arkansas or represent in New York.

You know, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it¹s a matter of Constitutional rights. Americans who believe in God believe it is a matter of personal faith. Americans who believe in protecting good American jobs believe it is a matter of the American Dream.

When my dad grew up it was in a working class family in Scranton. I grew up in a church-going family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith.

The people of faith I know don't "cling to" religion because they're bitter.

People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich. Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe.

I also disagree with Senator Obama's assertion that people in this country "cling to guns" and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt - and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter.

And as I¹ve traveled across Indiana and I¹ve talked to a lot of people what I hear are real concerns about unfair trade practices that cost people jobs.

I think hardworking Americans are right to want to see changes in our trade laws. That¹s what I have said. That¹s what I have fought for.

I would also point out that the vast majority of working Americans reject anti-immigration rhetoric. They want reform so that we remain a nation of immigrants, but also a nation of laws that we enforce and we enforce fairly.

Americans are fair-minded and good-hearted people. We have ups and downs. We face challenges and problems. But our views are rooted in real values, and they should be respected.

Americans out across our country have born the brunt of the Bush administration¹s assault on the middle class. Contrary to what Senator Obama says, most Americans did much better during the Clinton years than they have done during the Bush years.

If we are striving to bring people together - and I believe we should be - I don't think it helps to divide our country into one America that is enlightened and one that is not.

We know there is an unacceptable economic divide in America today, but that is certainly not the way to bridge it. The way to do that is to roll up our sleeves and get to work and make sure we provide, once again, economic opportunity and shared prosperity for all Americans.

People don't need a president who looks down on them; they need a president who stands up for them. And that is exactly what I will do as your president.

Because I believe if you want to be the president of all Americans, you need to respect all Americans. And that starts with respecting our hard working Americans, and what we need to do here is to take a lesson from Allison transmission.


Obama:

The problem is our politics doesn’t let the American people get heard. People know that it’s not easy solving some of these problems but they want to feel like at least someone is fighting for them.

It’s interesting. Lately there has been a little typical sort of political flare up because I said something that everybody knows is true which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois who are bitter.

They are angry.

They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they’re going through.

So I said well you know when you’re bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community.

And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country or they get frustrated about how things are changing.

That’s a natural response.

And now I didn’t say it as well as I should have because you know the truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation those are important. That’s what sustains us.

But what is absolutely true is that people don’t feel like they are being listened to. And so they pray and they count on each other and they count on their families. You know this in your own lives. What we need is a government that is actually paying attention. A government that is fighting for working people day in and day out making sure that we are trying to allow them to live out the American dream. And that’s what this campaign is about.

We’ve got to get past the divisions. We’ve got to get past the distractions of our politics and fight for each other.

That is why I am running for president of the United States. And I think we’ve got an opportunity to bring about that change right here and right now.

But I’m going to need your help Indiana. I’m going to need your help.


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This really IS GOOD NEWS FOR HILLARY and her Bushville running mate McSame.

Barack'll toughen em up

But they don’t believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement-- so, here’s what rich. Senator Clinton says ‘No, I don’t think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack’s being condescending.’ John McCain says, ‘Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he’s obviously out of touch with people.’

“Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain—it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch? No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America.

So pathetic, coming from someone who made $109 in the last few years...and now she is copying McCain word for word in defending the status quo. How pathetic. I'm glad Obama will at least talk to Americans like they are adults. It is refreshing. Here is my full blog on this for anyone interested:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/04/obama-talks-to-americans-like-adults.html

Bitter???

Consumer Confidence Crashes - At Record Low

Pointing to the overall confidence reading of 29.5 in April, T.J. Marta, a fixed-income strategist at RBC Capital Markets, said: "What confidence? There is no confidence. It's like 1929."


Hell yes we're bitter

What have the Republicans used in the last two Presidential elections to win the economically depressed rural and small town votes. They have used God, Guns, and Gays, That is how they conned a lot of those voters into voting against their own economic self interests. So while they were duped into being afraid of Gays, and that someone would take away their hunting rifles, all bullshit, the Republican Robber Barons were free to steal them blind, ship their jobs out to near slave labor nations, and bleed the nation and the middle class to death.

Senator Obama speaks the truth. If the voters, who have been conned into letting the the Republican Robber Barons, and NAFTA and Columbia Trade enabling Clintons, do not accept the truth of what has put them in their current desperate plight, then so be it, but at least they will not be in a position to complain that they had not been told the truth by Senator Obama.

If they can not handle the truth, then Hillary and McCain will tell them all the lies that they can swallow, while they fall further and further into a great economic depression.

God, Guns, and Gays, will not make Their Grapes of Wrath taste sweet.

Time to make another donation to Obama. I just sent him another 25 bucks.

agreed! except mine went to clinton. ;)

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Gawd....she is a Republican to the core!!! She adopts the same ethnocentric "values" code that the Limbaughs and Rove have been using for the last 25 years or more.

She has "midwestern values"? What a crock! I have midwestern values. She can't decide whether she's a Dixiecrat or a Wall Street Republican. Obama might remind them who represents the great state of Illinois and who represents Manhattan.

awkward shrillness IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

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I wish he hadn't put himself on a petstal. Sometimes I wish he could get down in the dirt with Hillary Clinton.

Cause I would totally slam her on Mark Penn. That would be my out of touch example. I would have left it to the SEIU. I would have personally slammed her on CAFTA. Cause people still think Hillary is a good choice for them.

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It is too bad that I can't vote against her every time she morphs into George Bush, but I just despise the use of religion and race against a fellow Democrat. Her holier than thou garbage ought to make more than a few of the genuinely religious lose their lunch.

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It would be fun to see clips of McCain and Hillary side by side using the same spin, followed by a clip of Obama making his statement about 'politics as usual'.

Brilliant.

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Hillary's answer to economic woes...

"Let's roll up our sleeves!"

Yep. That should get out of this recession.

I just had what was for me the Eureka moment. Here's the difference between the Old Politics and the New Politics, as personified in the first case by Hillary and in the second by Barack:

The old politics is all about the sham of oh-so-showy pretending that you do not understand and could not in a million years agree with any part of what your opponent is saying, that it's harmful, evil, ridiculous, reprehensible. This style is excerptable for sound-bite gotcha attacks. Perfect for Fox News news cycles.

The new politics is taking the chance to try to understand your opponent's discourse and responding with reason, clarification, and even admission that you can say your point better the second and third time you address the issue. Needs the long form, such as extensive re-viewing on YouTube, elsewhere.

The question is, do we want to walk around pretending we don't want to and do not have to try to understand what other people are saying, or can we move to new ways of discussing issues in news cycles?

Thanks for this. It has helped me have a Eureka moment of my own. Thanks again.

Obama's original statement is worse than 'ill chosen'. One also needs to look at the context in which it was said, at a fundraiser with San Francisco supporters. He clearly dissed small town America. His comment Friday night tried making a very different statement but then the audio came out, proving his revision. Now this morning we have him admitting the original words were ill chosen. Again, I suspect an apology is or should be next.

Obama's insinuation, for whatever reason, that small town America "clings" to its religion, gun ownership, and so forth is very insulting. What does he have against their religious practice? Does he suggest they give up their religion and if so, why?

Each item Obama accused small town America is worthy of more discussion. He basically called small town America as religious, gun toting racists opposed to illegal immigrants and free trade. Each point is offensive. The last one also puts into question his position on NAFTA. Does he now support it?

Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com

Did you consult with all your fellow Aryan Nation friends, before you posted your latest racist diatribe!

liam

I think you are letting these hateful trolls get your goat everytime and then they come back with more needling. Better to ignore them and discuss about better things, imho.

Actually those racist creeps have been posting their hate comments on here every day for months. They have been actually getting pretty much a free past, up until now. I have decided it is time to fight fire with fire. I am going to continue to scorch their racist arses every time they they skulk back in.

Occasionally one of them will get my goat, too. Or maybe just a leg of my goat: I like my goat too much to let them have more than that.

The rest of the time they make me laugh. Just thinking about them makes me laugh. LOL

I don't suggest to pretend they're not there. And a neat, well placed swat now and then is self-gratifying, if little more. But they've had their time, liam. The reason they're here at all is because they've yet to notice how rapidly they're being consigned to history.

Poor buggers -- let them have their "fun."

One also needs to look at the context in which it was said, at a fundraiser with San Francisco supporters. He clearly dissed small town America.

Do you know what Obama was responding to at that "fundraiser with San Francisco supporters"? It was a question about if racism was the reason Hillary was favored in PA. They were probably considering what Rendell had said, the Sunday article about the small town there and other factors.

Obama's answer was defending them from that which to most people is not the same as dissing.
He was trying to explain where the barrier came from and that it did not stem from racism.

Go read it again. If you can't see it differently then be assured you aren't alone. Pat Buchanan, McCain and Hillary agree with you.

well said, matt. kudos.

Obama's first comeback was much better than today's, where he did sound a little apologetic. He has nothing to be apologetic about and he needs to hit back hard on the elitist smear. Of the remaining candidates, he is the most in touch with regular folks, which is why he was able to tell the truth about their bitterness and desire to turn their frustrations towards gays and immigrants. Obama, in essence, was explaining that those right-wing wedge issues lose their power when more people are economically sound.

Don't apologize Barack! Go after Hillary and McSame, the true out-of-touch elitists!

Agreed, last night's response was much more hard-hitting and passionate. He was ticked at Clinton and McCain, and today after a night's sleep, he's probably not so ticked. But that fire last night was what made that response the best.

He's just speaking the truth -- again. Talking about something the other pols won't/don't talk about. Probably for fear of just this very thing, having their words dissected and played endlessly out of context. The fact is that people are bitter, they're angry at elected officials. And really, people like Clinton and McCain who have all these "years of experience" and have been in Congress for so long -- these are exactly the people everyone's so angry with. What they've done and how they've ignored the realities of the small town people is exactly why those people are so bitter. No wonder Clinton and McCain don't want to talk about it. They'd have to explain themselves, open themselves up to the criticism. Much easier for them to attack Obama.

Way to go after the Starbucks elitist Senator empty suit Obama. Hillary Rules!

Per Senator Obama:
"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Reverend Wright, Obama's Pakistan visit (3 weeks in 80's) unknown before the passport files and left out of 2 books, proud of America for the first time wife who was also looking for whitefolks at a CMU speech.

Obama, the empty suit.

Spoken like a true member of The Aryan Nation.

I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America.

Now you do too

That was really deep, much like like a junior High School essay.

Wait outside:The Aryan Nation Short Bus is on it's way to take you to their Kindergarten Arse Troll school.

Not this time bitch
Say goodnite to the Clintons and McBushes

What we need is a government that is actually paying attention. A government that is fighting for working people, day in and day out. Making sure that we are allowing them to live out the American Dream.
...We've got to get past the divisions, we've got to get past the distractions of our politics and fight for each other. And that's why I'm running for President of the United States. And I think we've got an opportunity to bring about that change right here, and right now.

STOP BEATING ME!!!!


-Dead Horse

Out of Touch? Out of Touch?

81% of Americans are bitter. We want a change in the direction BushClinton have taken us

Hillary likes movies?

Take two, cue Howard

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8513763692488955727&q=howard+beale&total=93&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Are they yelling in Atlanta Ted?

Sonofabitch we've struck the motherload

Great videos for the Obama Kool-Aid drinkers:

http://redstate.com/stories/archived/super_happy_obama_fun_time_videos

What Red State is your Aryan Nation Compound located in!

It always amazes me that folks like you can get words out with your head planted so deeply into your own ass.

Never mind Red State. Obama's making it Purple.

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What's going to be extra-specially hilarious is when Obama either wins PA or loses it by fewer than 5 points.

thwaaaaaaaaaaapppp

we need a president who will not look down on us, but take up for us

i didnt say it as well as i should have

quite the understater he is

when obama sees how stupid it looks in print or any other way, he can face reality, sadly, most here, not so much

Arent you running late for the meeting at the Aryan Nation Compound!

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One thing the brain dead pundits seem to be forgetting is that we are still having primary elections. The "God, guns, gays" voters are supposedly in the other party. Obama needs to remind people that REPUBLICANS are the ones who use these wedge issues AGAINST Democrats. Just keep framing Hillary as a Republican. The truth is the best defense.

Worse, these numbnuts are stuck in the 1990's. The McBushClinton War Party have fed us the same old shit for decades and given us fewer jobs, more war.

This time when they trot out their God, Gays Gun card, there is a candidate who won't duck and cover.


He tells America what we need to hear, not what the Bushville crowd thinks we want to hear

His response was weaker today, and this isn't good. He probably should tell the whole truth, and drive it home to these people that they've been duped and used, that Washington really cares as little about their religion and their moral outrage as it does about their economic decline. Or maybe that would be too adult. But I hope at least he isn't forced to trying to top Clinton's values claptrap with yet more claptrap. But claptrap does seem to beget claptrap. Pity that this race just has to go on and on.

Gods, Guns, Gays, Muslims, Mexicans?

Not this time

Obama needs to pivot on this and use it to show that Hillary and McCain believe nothing is wrong and that we should continue the same economic policies we have for the last 30 years (policies that have added exactly zero to the real wages of this group of people).

They represent more of the same. Say it, keep saying it.

As usual Hillary is the duplicitous person and Barack is pure honesty. Please, it was his campaign that said this election is about "politics not policy". Well I don't know about you, but I think "policy" is pretty important to solve todays and tomorrows problems. A "kinder gentler" politics will not suffice, no matter who delivers the message. Did this country not elect a "uniter not a divider"?One thing he said which no one seems to be discussing is what he said about trade, it really sounded as if he were in favor of free trade agreements, I think that needs a little clarification.

Your assumption is that the "uniter, not divider" that got elected was truly a uniter, and that's false. It was never true. He never tried to unite anyone except his base.

Good lord, Hillary, way to double team against your opponent by banding with the Republican. Maybe I should bust out my McCain/Clinton avatar again. Ugh!

I agree with Collegekid. The New Politics is about having a fully formed thought or thesis that cannot be processed into soundbites. I did not hear Obama's comments from the SF fundraiser, but being from SF, and after hearing his remarks in ID, I get the gist of what he is saying. And what he says is true. Just like his comments in the race speech.

The thing is, Obama talks to voters like they are adults. The old guard assumes the general population are idiots. That time is passing.

Meant to say "remarks in IN"

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Who calls Democrats elitists? REPUBLICANS. I like the idea of using clips of Hillary and Republicans. Republicans vote for war. Republicans vote for the credit card industry. Republicans vote for NAFTA. Republicans try to divide us by religion, race, region, rural, urban. Republicans are the dividers. Republicans got us into this war. Republicans got us into the economic mess. Hillary has 35 years experience digging the hole we're in.

Defeat Republicans! Begin by defeating the ones who've tried to take over the Democratic Party!

Obama Concedes Remarks Were Ill Chosen.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080412/D900DSC80.html


"I didn't say it as well as I should have," he said.

Da, yep, you got that right empty suit.

He admitted that he could have worded it better, not that he was wrong. His replies have only served to strengthen his original message, that regular folks in the "rust belt" are indeed bitter because they feel that DC politicians (read: elitists like Hillary and McCain) don't listen to or care about them, and so they turn to right-wing issues like gay marriage, immigration, and guns.

Obama was and is correct about the plight of so many American working families and his honesty and courage in addressing it directly is refreshing and inspiring. That's why he's on his way to being the next President.

Remarks were ill-chosen is sort of the Hallmark of the Clinton campaign, between Bosnia, Bill, & South Carolina.

No apology is coming, nor should it. Get over it. She will stop these attacks when she sees they aren't going to have traction.


Here is what he said right after that...

"The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation those are important. That's what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to.

"And so they pray and they count on each other and they count on their families. You know this in your own lives, and what we need is a government that is actually paying attention. Government that is fighting for working people day in and day out making sure that we are trying to allow them to live out the American dream."

War-weary Pa. voters wonder about exit (AP) -

Bitter as hell, let's not take the same old crap from Mrs. Clinton any more

Her war, no do-overs

Say "G'night" Hillary.

You're desperation to make something out of nothing means you are finished.

Watch out for the sniper fire on your way out, and don't forget the stack of gender cards and kleenex boxes you use as stage props too.

This charge of elitism is truly ridiculous and reeks of desperation. Look at every political poll (presidential approval, congressional approval, etc.) or economic poll (consumer confidence, heading in right direction, etc.), and you see that overwhelming majorities are negative about where we are and where we are headed. It is not difficult to conclude that they are bitter about the situation.

Obama, in these remarks and throughout his other prepared and spontaneous remarks, demonstrates a thorough understanding of the plight of the middle class, and he has detailed policy prescriptions to match.

To assert that the candidate who grew up poor in a single-parent household and has worked extensively with communities that have been devastated by the changes in our economy is somehow elitist is the definition of intellectual dishonesty. This up-is-down logic reveals two candidates who are grasping at straws.

The fact that the Clinton campaign is emailing quotes from Grover Norquist and Ed Rollins to reporters (what a shock! hack Republican operatives denounce Obama's comments!) shows exactly how desperate her campaign has become. Pathetic.

I think it's time for another major speech from Obama. His speech on race was truly amazing and really captivated people. They listened. Here, we have another issue that pols don't want to talk about and since Obama raised it, they're attacking him. He can take this opportunity to raise the discourse and bring it out into the open. Yes, people are bitter, and here's why. And just like before, people will literally stop what they're doing to listen. And he will get full media coverage. And maybe Clinton and McCain would get a clue that if they attack in this manner and refuse to face such issues head on, they're the only ones who get hurt.

The post says Obama used the flare-up to renew his call for a new politics? Does that mean he's going to stop lying about John McCain's "100 years" remark?

Nobody's lying about John McCain's 100 year remark 'cept McCain.

He said he wouldn't mind staying there for 100 years IF there's no more American casualties.

Nice cop out.

How do you stop the current casualties?

He has NO plan for stopping the conflict. The violence is increasing again, and his grand plan is to stay there until the violence stops.

Once the violence stops, he wants to stay there forever.

The circular logic of that man is SCARIER than the idiot we have in the White House now.

Hey Jodyphile,

(Apologies if this appears twice. The earlier version has more links that the TMP software seems to hold.)

Which one of McCain's comments? Hmm?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/03/mccains-century-long-problem/

Democrats seem to have found the one criticism that gets John McCain angrier than anything else — bring up his comments about keeping U.S. troops in Iraq for “100 years.” Every time a high profile Dem (Clinton, Obama, Dean, et al) mentions this, he becomes enraged and insists his comments have been mischaracterized.

It’s true that McCain did not, as a point of fact, indicate that he wants to see the ongoing war continue until 2108, but rather, he envisions thousands of American troops “maintaining a presence” in the country for 100 years, after some semblance of stability has been established. They’re not, to be fair, the same thing.

As far as the McCain campaign is concerned, this realization should effectively end the controversy. Joe Klein argues that McCain’s confused about this, too.

The problem with John McCain’s 100 years in Iraq formulation isn’t that he’s calling for 95 more years of combat — he isn’t — but that he thinks you can have a long-term basing arrangement in Iraq similar to those we have in Germany or Korea. That betrays a fairly acute lack of knowledge about both Iraq and Islam. It may well be possible to station U.S. troops in small, peripheral kingdoms like Dubai or Kuwait, but Iraq is — and has always been — volatile, tenuous, centrally-located and nearly as sensitive to the presence of infidels as Saudi Arabia. It is a terrible candidate for a long-term basing agreement.

Quite right. I’d just add, however, that McCain already knows this. In fact, he’s admitted as much.

The point seems to have been largely forgotten, but back in November, after months of insisting that Korea could be a model for a long-term troop presence in Iraq, McCain abandoned this position, saying he doesn’t want to use Korea as a model, and adding that the “nature of the society in Iraq” and the “religious aspects” of the country make withdrawal inevitable.

Soon after, McCain went back to his original position again, saying that a Korean model is entirely appropriate. So, for those keeping score at home, McCain 1) endorsed a multi-decade presence in Iraq; 2) denounced a multi-decade presence in Iraq; 3) re-embraced his first point; and 4) blasted those who agreed with his second point as being incompetent.

At the risk of sounding impolite, this guy is starting to make Bush look like he’s engaged and knowledgeable.

It's looks like it's St. John who needs to stop lying. HTH!

Sen. Obama knows now, or should know, that his comments reveal a stereotype of "bitter" working class Americans. It is the height of arrogance for anyone to presume to know the basis for another's faith in God. His comment that some "cling to religion" due to "frustration" about economic conditions is downright insulting. For many, religion is not something to "cling to" in difficult times -- its a tenet of faith in good times as well. Given his own issues with his own church, Sen. Obama would do well not to comment on the basis of the religious beliefs of working class Americans. Its not that he's "out of touch" -- its that its none of his business.

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"It is the height of arrogance for anyone to presume to know the basis for another's faith in God."

It is Richmond, so it looks like you and your candidate Hillary McCain have some work to do on that character flaw.

2008-04-09
Jewish philanthropist accuses black pastor of anti-Semitism

Text of Ziman's email

I have to tell you of an experience I had last night that was so anti semitic and frightening:

Last night I was honored by Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity, for my work with Children Uniting nations with African American children who are living out of home care.

I have dedicated my life to saving these children from abuse, neglect and a life of crime. We created 'adoption day' and "Day of the child" determined to recruit caring adults to be mentors and life savers for our at risk children in the inner cities. The mayor was present and City council member Bernard parks, assemblyman Mike Davis Senator Mark Ridely Thomas etc.

I was introduced as a children advocate and a leader in the Jewish community. I began my speech by talking about how I woke up in the morning and listened to Hillary clinton's speech, in the spirit of Dr. King from Memphis, that moved me so deeply. I expressed to the crowd how grateful I was to listen to Sen. McCain apologize to the community for mistakes he has made in the past. I acknowledged Sen. Obama's speech from the campaign trail about Dr. King's mentorship.

After I spoke and thanked the fraternity and their members, Rev. Eric Lee, pres. and CEO of Southern Christian Leadership Conference of greater Los Angeles, was introduced as the key note speaker.

He began his speech by thanking Jesus for Obama, who is going to be the leader of the world. He continued by referring to other leaders Like Dr. King,being that this was the moment of celebrating Dr. King's spirit on the anniversary of his assasination, and Malcolm X.

It was right after the mention of Malcolm X that he looked right at me and started talking about the African American children who are suffering because of the JEWS that have featured them as rapists and murderers.

He spoke of a Jewish Rabbi, and then corrected himself to say "What other kind of Rabbis are there, but JEWS". He told how this Rabbi came to him to say that he would like to bring the AA community and the Jewish community together. " NO, NO, NO,!!!!" he shouted into the crowd, we are not going to come together. "The Jews have made money on us in the music business and we are the entertainers, and they are economically enslaving us"

He continued as to how now the salvation has come and the gates have open for African Americans to come together behind Barack Obama, because now is the time to show them.(meaning thejews). He continued to speak about ' White supremecy' vs the talents and visionaries in the core of African Americans. He demeaned being given freedom, by saying "To what?" to a country that kills women and children.

I could no longer be polite and sit in front of the crowd, so I walked out.

Members of the fraternity ran after me as did my staff, I was not able to contain my tears and I cried.

I cried for me and my family, who have tried so hard to help the African American community, because we adopted children from the same realities and wanted to give back to other children and people. We have been completely color blind, for us it was only helping those children in need.

I cried for our beloved country and the division that Barack Obama has caused with his Rev. Wright opening the gates to 'hate' against the Jews and whites. I grew up so looking at America as the land of Freedom.

I was honored to receive my citizenship accompanied by members of the Kennedy family. Now, I'm afraid for Israel because Barack sat there for 20 years listening and not standing up for what's right, why would he standup for Israel?

I cried for the Jewish community who are so blind that they can't see that there's a movement here that will destroy us.I cried because for the first time in my life I was afraid of the future.

I cried for our world that is moving backwards and not forward. Everyday, I see children so lost, and so deserving of hope and love. I look into their eyes, knowing that it is their lives that are in our hands. I'm crying now, so I'm going to stop writing because it is so painful.

I just had to share this experience with you,

thank you, Daphna

Looks like Obama has many of the rev. Wright type friends.

His true colors are really coming out now.

http://jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=19187

You realize of course that you're clinically insane, right?

NOWHERE in your email is Obama involved. He didn't say anything. His Pastor didn't say anything. His campaign didn't have anything to do with this.

This is a pathetic effort to associate Obama with someone that he has no connection to...unless of course you believe all black people know one another.

In that case, isn't Clinton's campaign manager Ms. Williams black? I assume you hold her responsible for this as well?

Hypocrite.

This is absolute trash, and incoherent to boot.

The last time Obama used the word "typical" he was describing his grandmother as "a typical white person". That comment came while he was doing damage control over the fallout from his Philadelphia speech in which he effectively called his grandmother a racist. And his Philadelphia speech itself was damage control over the fallout from video showing the pastor of Obama's church preaching racism to approving parishioners.

Obama keeps getting into trouble when he tries to explain how other people think, because it gives us more glimpses into his haughty, superior and distorted view of humanity.

This morning Hillary said, "I don't think it helps to divide our country into one America that is enlightened and one that is not." I believe that was the most powerful thing Hillary said today, because just as with the race issue, Obama is showing us that he is not the "uniter" he claimed to be.

I thought the post-Penn Clinton was supposedly going to run a more positive campaign and stop attacking a fellow Democrat with standard Rethug talking points. So much for that.

It is time for her to go.

Both Hillary Clinton and John McCain are tied together on the same side of this conflict. Their "winning" argument is that Pennsylvanians are not bitter about having their jobs shipped overseas while politicians promised better times, and then took money from the same people who wanted access to cheaper labor.

They are going to try to gain political capital by denying that while Wall Street was playing games with the true cost of risky mortgages and pushing deregulation so not to get caught, politicians made gay marriage, flag burning, Terri Schiavo and one day vs. three day background checks to buy guns the number one issues.

I don't care what your political stance is on the above topics, but I bet that if you are out of work, or worried that your kids will have a tougher life than you, you are kind of angry that no one was minding the store.

America is starting to wake up about politicians using "wedge issues" like a magician uses misdirection. Obama is showing them how the trick is done. Hillary and McCain helped his cause by destroying the illusion. You can't tell the voters that their pain is not real. That is a lie that no one will fall for.

Yes, JohnMcCSF, the FULL CONTEXT of McCain's remarks. Not just a 5 second clip of McCain saying "100 years" pulled out and used however Obama pleases.

If Obama is really Mr. New Politics like he claims, then he would at least allow McCain to finish his thought on the matter. But what Obama is doing is just what Rove and the right-wingers would do. And that's a fact.

So what's so "new politics" about that?

Even Captain Kool-Aid himself, NYT columnist Frank Rich, said that Obama was libeling McCain and clearly misrepresented McCain's remark. So it must be pretty bad when even Rich admits it.

McCain is a War Monger. He can not deny it. He also has voted against the veterans bills. He actually does not care about the Troops. He only cares about War for Oil, and big Business. He is running for Bush's third term.

We now know that you are a lover and supporter of War Mongering Robber Barons.

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There is no better strategy for putting a Democrat in the White House than letting McCain "finish his thought".

65% of the American people want US troops out within 9 months

Not 9 years, not 90 years

McCentury's a warmonger. Let him run on his war. It is about time

Hillary is right! Democratic voters aren't bitter... WE'RE HAPPY!

We don't want a candidate who is pessimistic. We want a candidate who will FEED US ALL CAKE!

DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY!
EAT CAKE WITH HILLARY!


But will it be real cake, or will it be like those Bosnian Snipers. Perhaps it should say:


DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY!
EAT FAKE WITH HILLARY!

Someone can't see sarcasm if it comes up and tears their nose from their face.

But Jaysin, you didn't answer the question of when Obama is going to stop lying about what McCain said? You were able to at least half-way understand that McCain was speaking specifically of a presence such as we've had in Germany, S. Korea, etc. Why wasn't that great intellectual Obama able to comprehend that? Even George Bush has a better reading level than THAT!

Fewer jobs
More war


I'd run against that any day


That's why the Republicans would rather run against an 80 year old retired pastor and Barack Hussein Obama's middle name

What other choice does a 100 years warrior have?

NO. I FULLY understand it.

He's comparing it to the situation in Germany and Japan, yet the occupation in Iraq isn't the same situation we had in either of those countries.

If there wasn't a civil war going on with 30 - 100 American casualties each and every month, we could talk about a situation like Germany or Korea.

But what's the plan to stop the violence?

Without that, McCain's comment is a pipe dream. Until there's no violence, HE IS ADVOCATING STAYING THERE WITH THE VIOLENCE.

Don't you get it?

Greg

Here you again with your spins

Obama "responds" whereas Hillary "hits" ?

How do you know whether it was a hit until you know how the voters will react to it ? As a matter of fact, it seems Obama's reply was a hit and Hillary's hit is being ridiculed, surprisingly, even in MSM.

This is exactly the kind of sensationalistic "breaking news" syndrome of MSM that, sadly, Josh has allowed the "bloggers' like you to post at TPM instead of highlighting the actual issues.

Obama says we need to get past such distractions. He should therefore stop creating them. Unless he is claiming that this latest flap was jointly created by Hillary and McCain, and not by his own words and attitudes.

I do hope if Obama decides to give another thirty-seven minute speech to explain this one away, his handlers step in and edit out all the parts that give us a clearer glimpse of Obama's attitudes.

Fox News, by the way, is having a field day. Way to go, Obama. Let's give McCain the boost he needs, shall we?

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What's the problem with his attitude? Do you then embrace the "God, Guns and Gays" wedge campaign? Are you one with Karl Rove? Or are you just so cowed and intimidated by Limbaugh and Fox News that you believe no candidate should dare to whisper against wedge campaigns? How many of us have had to sit through the last 8 years or Rovian garbage aching for the day when someone would hit back against it? Instead Hillary McCain has validated it! The only thing Hillary left out of her response was gay bashing. If she gets desperate enough she'll figure some way to get that into her spin too. She wrapped herself in guns. She's selling the "My God is Better than Your God" values b.s. that was used against Catholic Kerry in the last campaign. She's using the tactics that defeated a Democrat in 2004 against a Democrat in 2008. The only reason I am happy she entered this campaign is that it gave me the opportunity to cast a vote against her and everthing she now stands for.

In the words of Ronald Reagan, Otto, there you go again.

Fox News.

GIVE. IT. UP.


I really think Obama has an opportunity here, and I hope he takes it. Hillary has potentially made a costly error in aligning herself with McCain on this flap.

We are just brushing the surface of what lies at the core of the conservative strategy and worldview that has dominated our economic and political system for the last 3 decades. How deep Obama wants to go here is the question, and his opportunity. It is dangerous territory, but if anyone has the skill to navigate it, it is Obama.

Obama is referring to a system that, after all is said and done, comes down to protecting the wealth and power of the few at the expense of the many. But in a democracy how can you convince the many to sacrifice wealth and power in the name of few? Well, first, you don't need to convince all of them, you just need to convince enough of them. You create distractions, you drive wedges, you pit the people against themselves. Karl Rove, while not the first, was perhaps the best at exploiting this tactic.

And where has it left us?

No real wages gains in 30 years, yet our national GDP has tripled in real terms in the same time. Where has the money gone? For all the talk of the "American Dream", the country is now more socially rigid than several European countries that are routinely lambasted as socialists. See Economist report:

http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_PVTRVGD

Perhaps the worst result of all is that we are now a divided nation at a time in our history that we can not afford to be divided. The division has weakened us and made less able to provide the leadership that is so badly needed now in the world.

People often don't vote in their economic interest because the politicians (largely controlled by power and wealth) don't want them to vote in their economic interests. That would undermine the control of the ruling class.

We are now living in another Gilded Age.

That is the truth. Obama knows it. Clinton knows it. McCain knows it. Only one of the three wants to change it.


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Yes, JohnMcCSF, the FULL CONTEXT of McCain's remarks. Not just a 5 second clip of McCain saying "100 years" pulled out and used however Obama pleases.

How many more years of the current situation do we have to go through before McCain's 100 year violence free occupation begins.

Also remember that the thing that got Osama Bin Laden all militant was the peacefully occupation by American troops in Saudi Arabia. No it is perfectly appropriate to mention McCains remarks because in any context we don't want it.

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Seems like only yesterday Obama was an angry black man doin' something in the hood. Today he's elitist and out of touch.

What a difference a day makes, eh?

You can say that again. If at first you don't succeed....

Clinton this morning: “People embrace faith not because they are materially poor but because they are spiritually rich.” What is Obama going to say to that? That he is a man of faith too? Oops. Jeremiah Wright.

People may embrace faith for any number of reasons. But it is never appropriate to exploit that faith for political gain.

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor the Reverend Jeremiah Wright says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."

Of course, Mr. Obama, now Senator Obama (D-IL) joined the Trinity United Church of Christ with the REVEREND WRIGHT for only religious reasons, not political. Wright on.

Why should we stay in Iraq for a hundred years. We invaded their country on false pretenses. They did not attack us.

They are not at war with a neighbor, so why do we have to stay there. They have internal civil strife between various factions. Why should America make itself the hundred year military decider between factions in Iraq. We are not willing to do it in Sudan, or Kenya, or Zimbabwe, or Northern Ireland, or Cyprus, or.....

McCain is talking complete War Mongering Bullshit. It is all about the Oil, and the interests of Bush/Cheney Robber Barons.

Hey liam, its called a moral responsibility to fix what f'd up. We can't rewind 2002, though I know the Obamaistas want to. Reality is that if we leave blood bath starts. We bought this one. We need to fix it.

Or would you rather tell the people Iraq. "Oh well, we are tired of this and we wanna go home. Good luck!"

Fox News this morning: "But as he did Friday night, Obama on Saturday morning explained that he was only speaking to an evident reality — that Americans who feel the government is not listening to their economic concerns turn to issues they can grasp, a response he said is understandable."

Issues they can grasp. Those poor, stupid Americans. They need Obama to explain life to them, because he understands. How did this country ever become great without him?

Obama sterotyped people. People resent that and will vote against him. Sorry to make it so simple, but maybe it'll get through that way.

You failed reading comprehension.

I hate to make it simple, but it's true.

Take a remedial English class. It'll do you wonders and you'll stop letting politicians tell you to be 'offended'.

Well KenM1, you're trying to distract my attention away from my original question, which was why did Obama say that McCain wanted to continue fighting in Iraq for 100 years?

You see, I am just trying to figure out if all this talk about new politics is just B.S. or not. My nose is telling me that it is.

10,000 years even

Not me
Not this time

I'm bitter as hell and have had enough of McSame's War Party bullshit

There's no distraction.

You're allowing McCain to skate on a comment without asking the broader question.

HE said he was ok if we stayed there 100 years, as long as there's no American casualties.

True or False?

OK, that's true. That was an easy one. Here it gets harder, but be honest.

Is there violence now?

Is there any foreseeable end to the violence?

Is he advocating any plan to completely eliminate violence?

When does this 100 year occupation begin?

What do we do to pass the time between the bloodbath we're now caught in the middle of and McCain's utopian 100 year occupation?

How long is he willing to stay in Iraq with the current level of bloodshed?

How long is he willing to staty if it gets worse?

Is there any point at which he advocates pulling out?

I'm sorry, but both Clinton and McCain are right to nail him to his statement. He said it, he advocates staying and NEVER once talked about redeployment.

Ed Schultz is right. McCain is a Warmonger of the worst kind. He loves the battle, but doesn't give a shit about the soldiers when they come home.

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You'd think it would occur to the two multi-millionaires calling Obama an "elitist" that perhaps that's not the best word for them to be throwing around.

I'm sure it's occured to Obama. Do McCain and Hillary really want their embarrassing large personal fortunes to become a topic of discussion? They may succeed in making it one.

Once again Obama is standing by his offensive comments and holier than thou attitude, as he did with his pastor and his comments about his grandmother.

If this kind of CRAP gets Hillary the nomination then our political system is really really in trouble.

Otto are you a democrat? If so then newsflash Fox News= worse than Pravda at the height of communism in Russia. Dude you quote Fox News you lose any shred of credibility whatsoever.

Still no apology for disrespecting the voters?

How arrogant.

It is Clinton that brings them hope for a better future.

People will want to return the the Clinton economy and not govern for the elites like Obama and w.

Drop out Obama.

You must get paid by the line.

Hillary and McCain are both worth $100+ million.

They're BOTH using the same spin.

They're BOTH connected to the same campaign company thru Mark Penn.

They're BOTH establishment insiders.

...and you want to believe that Obama is the elitist.

You go ahead and tout the 'company' line like a good little employee.

Her offer of 'Hope' is exactly what Obama was talking about. 25 years of empty promises from the GOP and DLC. She and McSame offer nothing but pander.

Gotalife just don't git it

Barack Obama doesn't take Clinton/McBush BS....doesn't run from the truth, doesn't play the same old games

This dog bites


Toughen Hillary up for whatever remains of her career

Let's make damn sure her Senatorial reelection efforts are met by a well-funded adversary.

I think he should run with it.

Next rally, ask people if they're Fired Up and Ready to Go. Crowd Roars. Then ask "Is anyone here feeling a little bitter?" The roof will come off the place.

Just several weeks back, we were swamped with all the concerns about bambi and kumbaya when they thought obama didn't have enough edge. well here it is.

I'm not saying that there weren't other issue embedded in his statement, but the campaign can easily take this bitter theme and the absurd lines about elitism coming from McCain/Clinton and turn it into a definitive and very positive turning point.

And the record suggests that this very well run campaign will probably do just that.

Hillary is toast. Just ignore her from now on. Focus on exposing McCain for the Bush third term candidate that he truly is.

If you like all of George W.Bush's domestic and foreign policies, then you will absolutely love John McCain. He wants to continue all of Bush's agenda.

How has that worked out for you, Middle Class Americans?

ABC News headline: "Obama analyses 'bitter' Pennsylvanians"

INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana (CNN) -– Sen. Evan Bayh, Hillary Clinton’s top backer in the May 6 primary state of Indiana, argued Saturday that superdelegates need to evaluate Barack Obama’s “bitter” remarks when deciding who to back for the Democratic nomination.

“I think it’s a real potential political problem and it’s something for superdelegates and voters to think about,” said Bayh, who was made available to reporters by the Clinton campaign to speak about the controversy.

“The far right wing has a very good track record of using things like this relentlessly against our candidates, whether its Al Gore or John Kerry,” Bayh said, “I’m afraid this is the kind of fodder they might use to harm him.”

The popular Indiana senator said Republicans were able to tarnish Kerry’s war record and turn Gore into a “serial fibber,” and predicted they will “use this to damage Barack, the Democratic party, and ultimately frustrate the change that we need in this country.”

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"The far right wing has a very good track record of using things like this relentlessly against our candidates, whether its Al Gore or John Kerry,” Bayh said,"

BREAKING NEWS!!! Bayh joins "far right wing"!

...and Bill Clinton's own statements yesterday won't be used by the GOP out of context too? You know, the one where he says that Hillary's age is an issue?

You're being a bit shortsighted if you don't think that the GOP isn't loaded for bear to attack Hillary should she win the nod.

Love the fallout:

Politico: Obama 'bitter' gaffe could reshape fall and even spring
By Mike Allen on April 12, 2008 @ 8:02 AM

http://dyn.politico.com/playbook/

THE DAMAGE: The swipe at small-town voters hurts with the former Reagan Democrats, a promising voters group for Obama, and antagonizes the very people who would have been worried about Rev. Wright. And it will allow the Clinton campaign to argue that she hasn't cornered the market on divisiveness.

***Many Americans (especially potential "Obamacans," as he calls his Republican supporters) embrace religion not because they're bitter but because they believe it and because it brings them daily purpose and comfort.

The comments could prolong the Democratic race as it heads into Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana.

Ha. Just what I thought. No one can explain why Obama is lying about what John McCain said. And just like the right-wing nuts, you all ignore the question (because you know you can't answer it), and launch into ad hominem attacks, and call McCain names, etc.

Obama represents NOTHING. No new politics, no change, nothing at all. He has no experience and so far he has shown no particular leadership ability whatsoever. He's a liar and a hypocrit. All he can do is get his cult of followers excited and fainting. And it takes a hell of a lot more than that to run a country.

I'd vote for ANYBODY over Obama ANY day and twice on Sunday.

"No one can explain why Obama is lying about what John McCain said."

No one can explain this because Obama is not lying about what McCain said, which has been explained to you, but which you are too stupid to understand. Quit trying to hijack the thread with your nonsense.

What in the hell are you talking about.

There are several of us that have been answering your questions for several posts now.

We can't help it if you can't figure out the Reply function to keep all of the threads together.

Your failure to read doesn't give your argument validity any more than you can explain away McCain's 100 year statement.

He made it. It's on video. Any reasonable person understands that to get to the 100 years of no American casualties is going to take years and years of horrific American casualties.

MOST of us realize that it isn't worth the cost in blood. Especially when the rationale(s) for this war have been built on lies (Bush and Cheney) and false bravado (H. Clinton).

Consider the choice of words in his original statement, inartful though they might be: "they cling to guns or religion..."

Embracing is not the same as clinging. When you embrace a practice, a belief, or a way of life, you actively choose to make it your own.

When you cling to something, you force your formerly observant practices to become, in part, a diversion from other aspects of your life that are not comfortable to you.

If Obama had said that people embrace guns or religion or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment out of bitterness, then we would have a problem.

But he said they cling to these things out of bitterness. They make them the whole extent of their political concerns because they hope it will help them overlook how long they've been economically disadvantaged, and how long their elected leaders have turned a blind eye to their troubles.

To 'embrace' religion is not the same as to 'cling to' religion.

A lot of the networks are using the same photo of an angry looking Obama pointing his finger.

Obama’s basic message is that all of America is unhappy with Washington and that we should vote for him because he represents change.

When asked why he is not doing well in PA, he cites the same basic reasons, that PA’s are angry and bitter. But instead of voting for him, they are voting against him. Why is that? According to Obama’s logic it is because they channel their anger by using guns, xenophobia, and religion as a crutch, instead of seeing the light and voting for him.

True or not true, how can his comments not be seen as condescending to PA. He suggests that the enlightened angry populace are voting for him, while the unenlightened angry populace are not.

Obama is not a scientist who I go to for sociological observations. He is a politician who wants my vote and in that context, Obama’s comments are arrogant and insulting to the white working class.

Perhaps politicians should do more "sociological observation." Then they might actually know what's going on the country and how people feel about it.

Politicians probably do sociological observations everyday. But its probably not a good idea for a politician to air their common sense observations about voting preferences by suggesting that a voting block is misguided by ignorance. While I understand what Obama is saying, I don't take his comments as an expert source. I take it as common opinion that subverts his political message.

Oh, agreed. What he originally said in what was supposed to be a closed meeting was never intended for the mass audience. It's not like he was saying something completely different behind closed doors -- just worded for the audience. Doctors talk about patients differently to each other than they do to the patient. Not condescending to the patient, just talk among colleagues. Similar situation here, talking to those who analyze campaigns and strategize them rather than the voters.

Why did you say "white working class" He did not say that.

You hacw exposed yourself for the racist that you are. Go back to your Aryan Nation Compound, you vile creep.

That is the first time I have ever been called an Aryan racist creep. Funny that you would make such assumptions. Obama could not have said it any better.

You are the kind of boneheaded Obama supporter that keeps me from fully embracing Obama if he wins the nomination.

You wouldn't vote for Obama because you don't like some of the other people who are voting for him? That's utterly ridiculous. Sure, don't vote for him if you don't like his policies, that's fair. But because you don't like the way an Obama supporter talked to you? I mean, it's so ridiculous there's just about nothing else to say.

Airwon,

Your basic premise if false. You said:
"Obama’s basic message is that all of America is unhappy with Washington and that we should vote for him because he represents change."

That is at half-true statement, which makes it false. Americans are unhappy with Washington, that is an indisputable fact. However, that we should only vote for him because he is change is a statement that you made because you are a) uniformed or b) being intellectually dishonest.

There were 13 Democratic candidates 6 months ago and now there are two. All candidates ran on the "change" platform, and all have strong positions that spell out what change means for them. For those that take the time to study all of the candidates, they see that all have opinions and ideas on how to accomplish "change".

As a white guy who was born and raised in the rural south, with family still in the rural south, that now lives in Los Angeles, I completely understand what Obama was saying. He was telling a bunch of elites that people rural parts of the country are bitter because they have been screwed by the government for 30 years. He told this crowd of people that could tell the difference between Pennsylvania and Ohio that the reason that these rural voters cling to these stereotypes that they have these voters is because they are losing ground in so many other places in their life. Obama was trying to explain to this crowd in elite San Francisco why wedge issues work in place like Pennsylvania and Ohio.

And ya know what, Obama nailed it. He was honest and respects those voters in Penn and Ohio enough to understand why they are leery to vote for him.

Also, if you don't believe that god, guns, gays and illegals aren't prime topics of conversation in these areas, you need to get out more. I spent a great deal of time in the rust belt and those are the issues that come up in conversation everywhere I have been.

This bitterness isn't a white only issue. Spend time in poor urban America and blacks and latinos feel the same bitterness.

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Clinton campaign strategy: If the far right says it, it must be true! You heard it first on Fox News, and I will repeat it! If Rush loves it, so do I! If Karl Rove thought of it, I will steal it!

Woah! While hitting Obama's reference to bitterness driving people's faith, Hillary today got in a subliminal reminder about the way Obama trashed his grandmother in his nation-wide speech.

Hillary: "Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe."

And of course. Mr. Bayh, The Far Right Wing will not throw anything at Hillary since she sat down with the Godfather of "The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy".

They will not say a word about her Bosnia Sniper Fairy Tales, or Her Theft of FBI Files, or of how Bimbo Bill indelibly blue stained the Oval Office, or how Hillary's Brothers were paid huge sums to seek presidential pardons for Drug King Pins, or how the Clintons pardoned fugitive from justice Marc Rich, after his wife bribed them to do so.

Sure thing Mr. Bayh, "Hillary Rambo Clinton's "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" will treated her this time like She is a Born Again Immaculate Right Wing Virgin.

Sure they will Mr. Bayh. Keep on with your absurd efforts to bullshit the voters of you state. How stupid do you think they are. Now who is talking down to the people!

Hillary: "Americans are fair-minded and good-hearted people. We have ups and downs. We face challenges and problems. But our views are rooted in real values, and they should be respected."

Oooo Obama, you blew it!

There's a pretty decent chance you'll have to vote for that empty suit come November. That is, unless you prefer voting to put a 6th right-winger on the Supreme Court. So perhaps don't be TOO eager to burn any Obama bridges in your mind.

(and yes, same goes of course for Obama supporters and Clinton--which I try to remind myself of at least once a day so that I don't get too far out there)

Most people vote for what is best for our Country. If Clinton is not the nominee in 2008, vote McCain 2008 and split the vote below POTUS. Obama, is THE Empty Suit, Maybe he can bring along with his good buddy the Reverend Wright for Veep.

For Obama Supporters:

Super Happy Obama Fun Time Videos, enjoy!


http://redstate.com/stories/archived/super_happy_obama_fun_time_videos

Your choice of websites that you peruse gives you away Troll.

I say this in all respects.

Fuck off.

May I add:

With no due respect, get stuffed, you fuckpig.

My blood pressure is lower already.

Now, who knows how to speak to their audience?

Clinton: "When my dad grew up it was in a working class family in Scranton. I grew up in a church-going family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith.

"The people of faith I know don't "cling to" religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich. Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe.

"I also disagree with Senator Obama's assertion that people in this country "cling to guns" and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt - and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."

The transparent pandering in that statement is a little disgusting, actually.

"Now, who knows how to speak to their audience?"

since your sole contribution to this thread seems to be repeating Clinton's attacks and saying "Gotcha!", how about this:

"Hillary Clinton. She will Say Anything, and Change Nothing."

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When my dad grew up it was in a working class family in Scranton. "

... when HIS Dad grew up it was in AFRICA

"I grew up in a church-going family"

... HIS Dad was a MUSLIM

This sure puts Obama's condescending and offensive remarks into contrast. Admitting they were "ill chosen" doesn't change his lack of character. Clinton makes this clear in a way that Obama will find incredibly difficult to recover from.

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http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com

I'm sorry. That's what I call talking down. Do you really think Sen. Clinton talks like this over dinner with the movers and shakers of Manhattan?

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Ha. Just what I thought. No one can explain why Obama is lying about what John McCain said.

What exactly are you talking about? I gave you my response and then posted some comments for you respond to, which you conveniently avoided by saying:

Well KenM1, you're trying to distract my attention away from my original question, which was why did Obama say that McCain wanted to continue fighting in Iraq for 100 years?

Let me make this painfully clear to you then. Obama said it because it is true. If that is not enough for you then give me the exact quote Obama said that has you upset and I will respond directly to it.

Btw, while you're at it why don't you try to comment on my original response. Either you agree which means you have no case or you don't and we can discuss further. Claiming my rebuttal is a distraction really in not a good debating technique. I can understand your problem though, what with all those pesky facts getting in your way.


Unlike most of California, San Francisco went for Obama on Super Tuesday. Here is today's San Francisco Chronicle headline: "Furror Over Obama Comments"

"Democrat Barack Obama on Saturday conceded that comments he made about bitter working class voters who "cling to guns or religion" were ill chosen, as he tried to stem a burst of complaints that he is condescending."

I was surprised to find a pleasant photo of a relaxed, smiling Obama at the Newsweek website. Then I saw that it was an old story, and they haven't run an article on Obama's latest woes yet.

I might add that the notion that a broad group of working class people "cling to religion" in the face of economic "frustration" is classic Marxist philosophy -- "religion is the opiate of the people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people#Interpretation

Thanks for your insight Comrade Richmond.

For those of us that have above 3rd grade reading comprehension, Obama was stating that people in rural areas have been long-forgotten by Washington. The reason that his campaign might have difficulty reaching them is that they've stopped being actively involved in the process and cling to single-issue voting that they can affect, rather than big issues where they're categorically pandered to and then forgotten.

So put down your little red book trying to blame Obama for the Russian famine or for the Cold War (spoiler alert: Obama wasn't even alive during Stalin's reign)

Catherine Crier sums it up well in the title of her new post:

"Punished for the Truth"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/catherine-crier/punished-for-the-truth_b_96358.html

Your posting Cathy Crier comments? Whats next Jack Cafferty? Damn.....the nervousness from the Obamaistas today is quite evident.

You want Jack Cafferty? Here ya go, along with Toobin, Borger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs

Two more Obama hacks.

I might add that the notion that a broad group of working class people "cling to religion" in the face of economic "frustration" is classic Marxist philosophy -- "religion is the opiate of the people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people#Interpretation

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" Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. "

THEIR faith is the faith of THEIR parents and THEIR grandparents and THEY were BLACK and THEY were MUSLIMS. WE are not. THEY are not one of US. HE is one of THEM. WE FEAR THEM.

I just do not get it. Hillary's and McCain's argument is that Pennsylvanians are not bitter about the economy. Well news flash they really, really are. They are bitter, upset, angry and mad as h#%@.

Do we have to do a poll to get the proof?

Hillary's inability to see the unrest in America is what caused her to miss the Change Election(TM) sentiment that is out there. She surrounds herself with yes men and women, and only targets the "States that Matter". The audacity of her to proclaim that she represents the people is mind blowing.

Hillary, if you really want to represent the people why don't you start by firing Mark Penn and stop trying to steal Obama's elected pledged delegates.

An interesting interview with Joel Dyer:

ARMED AND DANGEROUS: THE DESPERATION OF RURAL AMERICA

aryan nations...nice snappy comeback there-it is amazing how funny the obama folks can be, but when faced with something other than the run-of-the-mill kneeling and prostrating oneself for obama, well, all of a sudden they hurl epithets.

how decidely newish politics this is, its a page right out of some fascist playbook

aryan nations...nice snappy comeback there-it is amazing how funny the obama folks can be, but when faced with something other than the run-of-the-mill kneeling and prostrating oneself for obama, well, all of a sudden they hurl epithets.

how decidely newish politics this is, its a page right out of some fascist playbook

You racist creeps can not handle the truth. Now you are feeling vulnerable and exposed in you Aryan Nation Compound,, huddled with you cluster of fellow slack jawed mouth breathers.

Attention all you small town and rural Pennsylvania Voters.

Hillary Rambo Clinton, The Heroine of Tuzla, and the Patron of Mark, Columbia Trade Agreement, Penn wants you to not look behind her curtain, but instead she wants to make you feel bitter toward her opponent.

Think about it: Hillary's camp have promised that she is going to spend the entire weekend campaigning as A Bitter Monger.

Hillary will not rest until you are all full of Bitterness and Resentment toward her opponent.

Hillay needs to be put on a daily Irony Supplement.

Attention all you small town and rural Pennsylvania Voters.

Hillary Rambo Clinton, The Heroine of Tuzla, and the Patron of Mark, Columbia Trade Agreement, Penn wants you to not look behind her curtain, but instead she wants to make you feel bitter toward her opponent.

Think about it: Hillary's camp have promised that she is going to spend the entire weekend campaigning as A Bitter Monger.

Hillary will not rest until you are all full of Bitterness and Resentment toward her opponent.

Hillary needs to be put on a daily Irony Supplement.

I have never felt such affront as after Hillary Clinton's speech this morning calling Barack Obama "demeaning" and "elitist." Yesterday she said "he looks down on you."

Never mind that these are terms typically used against Democrats by truly elitist Wall Street Republicans in order to take attention away from real economic issues.

But the real story here, for anyone steeped in the history of Jim Crow, is that Hillary Clinton's language in context calls out Barack Obama for rising above his station and looking down on less affluent white voters -- her targeted audience.

She has cemented her legacy with me -- as an extension of Sean Hannity's obsession with an African-American who dares to challenge the white establishment with "uppity" language.

Ah, #9 to play the race card.

Congrats.

"Instead of apologizing for offending small-town America, Senator Obama chose to repeat and embrace the comments he made earlier this week."

Nuff said.

At what point do you realize that Sen. Clinton quoted Grover Norquist and is siding with McCain on yet another issue?

At what point do you stop and think, perhaps there's a problem with my constant cheerleading someone that is in bed with the very enemy that we're trying to get out of the White House.

Believe me, if Hillary wins the nomination, I'll be the first one out here in San Diego to vote for her.

But more importantly, YOU should be ashamed of siding with McCain before Obama. Hillary should be ashamed of 3 times now pointing to McCain over Obama.

You can count people playing the race card all day long, if you get your little jollies off of it, far be it from me to criticize how somebody enjoys their time on the computer.

However, c'mon already with taking sides with Grover F*CKING Norquist. Enough already with concern trolls Bayh and Rendell worrying what the GOP might do to us in the fall. THOSE LYING BASTARDS ARE GOING TO ATTACK ANY DEMOCRAT, got it?

Norquist might be your friend today to deal with the threat represented by Obama (who might bring in a veto-proof majority with him). But you know deep in your heart that he will stab Hillary unmercifully when the time comes to get her beat in the general.

Okay, I know the Obama supporters are not the brightest people. So below is a quote from one of the brighter and more literate among you, Frank Rich:

"REALLY, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton should be ashamed of themselves for libeling John McCain. As a growing chorus reiterates, their refrains that Mr. McCain is 'willing to send our troops into another 100 years of war in Iraq' (as Mr. Obama said) or 'willing to keep this war going for 100 years' (per Mrs. Clinton) are flat-out wrong. What Mr. McCain actually said in a New Hampshire town-hall meeting was that he could imagine a 100-year-long American role in Iraq like our long-term presence in South Korea and Japan, where 'Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed.'"

If Barack Obama wants a new kind of politics, then he should stop lying his skinny ass off. I don't care how long any of you morons think it will take for us to reach 100 years of peace in Iraq, the simple fact is that Obama lied when he said that John McCain wanted to continue the shooting war for 100 years. He intentionally misquoted McCain's comments. So sit on that. You can twist the words all you want, but Obama is a liar.

Where is the twist when we ask, how long is he willing to allow young Americans to die for nothing, to get to that 100 years of peaceful occupation.

If he doesn't have an answer to that question, then the obvious answer is he's willing to let them die for as long as it takes.

It's fine if you want to stick your head in the sand, just don't expect Clinton or Obama supporters to applaud you for your ignorance.

Okay, I'm clicking this reply button again. This time I'll try clicking the little box.

Jaysin, YOU are saying that McCain is willing to keep the war going for 100 years to reach a peaceful occupation. McCain didn't say that. All you're doing is putting words in McCain's mouth.

I seriously doubt if McCain would want to continue that war for 100 years, don't you? He would probably continue it for much longer than Obama or Clinton would like, but he in NO WAY said he would continue the war for 100 years. And for Obama to claim that is what McCain said is obviously a lie. Quote McCain on what he says, not on the words you put in his mouth.

And you still haven't answered why Obama said that McCain wanted to continue the war for

The problem with your post is that YOU are thinking FOR McCain.

HE hasn't said how long he'd like to stay.

YOU may assume he may only stay a little longer than Obama or Clinton, but there's no evidence other than his CONTINUAL support of this war and his TOTAL rejection of ever ending it.

Please, for the love of God, point to ANYTHING where he's suggested that his views on Iraq are flexible. That he's willing at some point to concede that it's an unwinnable Civil War where there is NO vital US interest, whatsoever.

OK, that's my spin on it. Point to anything where McCain has suggested anything other than staying indefinitely.

I'm sorry, I forgot to answer the last part of your question. "Why Obama has said that McCain wants to continue this war"

I don't presume to speak in an official capacity for the Obama (or Clinton) campaigns, so I must only state my interpretation why they would suggest that McCain continues this war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZlUekuQBgM

Now you'll dismiss this out of hand, and that's ok. I see it as McCain following the EXACT same policies as the Bush administration, but with a wolf in sheep's clothing look about him. The MSM thinks of him as a Maverick because he stands up to the Bush Administration initially, but every time he's gotten back in line.

More importantly, and off topic to your question so excuse my divergence, I don't believe he has any integrity. He was shot down over Viet Nam and was tortured for 5 years. Over these years of captivity he understood full well what torture was able to make people say things that are untrue. For example, McCain admitted to being a War criminal and baby killer (60 minutes 1997). noboby believes McCain was a war criminal, I know I don't, but he said it.

If ANYONE understands that torture is unacceptable, it SHOULD be John S. McCain. Instead of standing up to principles learned from 5 heinour years of beatings and abuse, he buckled to the White House allowing torture and recently voted against outlawing water-boarding.

I can't convince you that Obama and Clinton are right on the Iraq war issue, just as you won't convince me.

I, however, can never in good conscience vote for someone that apparently learned NOTHING during 5 years of being POW, learned NOTHING from the Forrestal fire, learend NOTHING from Vietnam.

He's pro-war and pro-torture, and that's despicable.

You don't have to take my word for it. Go to YouTube and look up the McCain videos from the time and then contrast them to the man that votes to continue to send kids to their Vietnam and condones his nation using torture.

I support Obama, but you better believe I'd vote for Hillary 1 million times before I'd ever vote for McCain.

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I give you credit for openly supporting McCain. I don't agree with him on the war but I'll give him credit for honestly sticking up for what he believe in. At least we know what he does believe in!

I don't know what Hillary believes in. I know she voted for the same war McCain voted for. I know she voted to enable war with Iran. I don't believe she will end the war any sooner than McCain.

I'm not understanding much of this logic. Who wants a regular ol American running as President of the United States?

I want the elitist of the elite. Only the finest available of all politicians should be allowed into the office. Obama is most certainly elite.

McCain and Clinton are the same old politics - and should probably be on the same ticket.

Right. Don't want another "regular" guy in the big house no way no how.

I agree that when I first heard the snippet, I was stunned. But when I listened to the whole recording from San Francisco. I went from stunned to concerned.
His choice of wording was way off (read: cling). I could see people being offended. When I saw the response from Obama it took another context.

In my humble opinion he was trying to say that people do not trust Washington to change their economic situation. So, instead of voting on economic promises and issues, they vote (cling) to the issues they think they can trust Washington to do something about: gun control, trade, immigration, and issues based on their religious beliefs.

Now everyone can see it differently. That's what great about America. I'll probably be referred to as a "blind" Obama supporter. But if Hillary Clinton can "mis-speak" and her supporters can overlook it, then why can't Obama have put something wrong and her supporters can't do the same?

Why is it wrong to say people are bitter about being made promises during a campaign that get forgotten as soon as that politician is voted into office? If you can't trust Washington to address economics, why is it wrong to say you turn to other issues to base your vote on?

He wasn't saying people pick up a gun, or get religion, or are against the American dream for immigrants because they're bitter. He's saying people turn to the issues they feel Washington can do something about. He is saying that because we already *ARE* religious, *believe* in the second amendment, *believe* in the American dream and the right of all it's citizens to prosper; that we turn to those issues because we are comfortable with them, because they speak to the values so many of us hold dear.

Richmond,

Great catch! I might add that the notion that a broad group of working class people "cling to religion" in the face of economic "frustration" is classic Marxist philosophy -- "religion is the opiate of the people."

I was wondering where it sounded familiar. Guess Obama wasn't asleep during 20 years with Rev. Wright after all.

Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com

HILLARY RAMBO CLINTON URGES SMALL TOWN AND RURAL VOTERS TO BECOME BITTER ABOUT BEING DESCRIBED AS BEING BITTER.

From Mike Allen:

THE DAMAGE: The swipe at small-town voters hurts with the former Reagan Democrats, a promising voters group for Obama, and antagonizes the very people who would have been worried about Rev. Wright. And it will allow the Clinton campaign to argue that she hasn't cornered the market on divisiveness.

***Many Americans (especially potential "Obamacans," as he calls his Republican supporters) embrace religion not because they're bitter but because they believe it and because it brings them daily purpose and comfort.

The comments could prolong the Democratic race as it heads into Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana.

Sen. McCain is certainly rejoicing. Republicans now have the greatest gift since John Kerry's fateful, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." And they plan to use it exactly the same way.

From Playbook's e-mail:

"Massive. A total game-changer. ... The only explanation for being this out of touch is that the man went to Harvard. ... A San Francisco fundraiser looking down nose at guns AND religion!?"

""Massive. A total game-changer. ... The only explanation for being this out of touch is that the man went to Harvard. ... A San Francisco fundraiser looking down nose at guns AND religion!?"

We've heard this before, Wright was supposed to be a game-changer - so was his "Typical White person" comment - your desperation just proves that siblings shouldn't marry.

From McCain:

"Instead of apologizing to small town Americans for dismissing their values, Barack Obama arrogantly tried to spin his way out of his outrageous San Francisco remarks. Only an elitist who attributes religious faith and gun ownership to bitterness would think that tax cuts for the rich include families who make $75,000 per year. Only an elitist would say that people vote their values only out of frustration. Barack Obama thinks he knows your hopes and fears better than you do. You can't be more out of touch than that."

Figures you'd be quoting McCain, you Republican hack.

What has happened to the Hillary campaign, where quoting Fox news is OK?


Don't shoot the messenger, even if the truth hurts. You are really going to have to take a deep breath and count to ten or something because I suspect that this is going to be a defining moment from a candidate who keeps giving each time he opens his mouth. His character by his own words is not looking very pretty: Elitist, arrogant, condescending, racist, hate, mistatements, and lies...

I like the catch from Richmond that he's even using Marxist language to disparage hard working small town America. How about that one?

Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com

"You are really going to have to take a deep breath and count to ten or something because I suspect that this is going to be a defining moment from a candidate who keeps giving each time he opens his mouth."

If I had a quarter every time some desperate Hillary supporter claimed that something would "sink" Obama - I'd have an embarrassment of riches. Rezko? Nope. Wright? Nope "Typical White person"? Negative. Keep up the pathetic hand-wringing though. lol

Really? I don't remember Marxist language including guns and immigration issues too.

Perhaps y'all are looking for things to be offended and twisting them to fit your meme again?

Nah, not a straight-shooter like you. Heaven forbid.

I'm sure you and OttoF and RaeK and 3 of 4 others will be sure to hit up every blog you can to stir up shit, but having read some of the comments around the blogosphere, this one's coming back to bite Hillary and McCain in the rear end. Wait for it...it's coming.

OMG, this is getting too funny! The Obama camp has just released a damage control video which tries to shift the "elitist" label to Hillary because she and Bill have earned so much money since leaving the White House. But on the video Obama defender Jack Cafferty said, "The people are frustrated. The people have no economic opportunity. What happens to folks like that in the Middle East, you ask? Well, take a look. They go to places like al Qaeda training camps."

LOL! Those Pennsylvanians are going to just LOVE that one! LOLOLOL!

Did Jack Cafferty actually say that? OMG>....certifiable moron that he is.

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Shorter Hillary and McCain:

"Candidates who tell you the truth are condescending to you dumb fucks who wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass. The people who really respect you are the ones who lie to you. We need another liar in the White House. It's the American way!!!!"

JennOfArk,

Do you really think that your offensive rants, insults, and derogatory language adds to the discussion? Or, are you just doing your part to help define the character and maturity of Obama supporters?

Matthew
http://www.TheIndependentView.com

You're going to take the high ground? You? Seriously? You're by far the worst purveyor of hate and dissent on this website. Well, you and ice-cream head, but at least he has the good sense to make himself scarce from time to time.

You're just a world-class hypocrite.

Where do you come off with such as baseless accusation? I have never used insults or derogatory language to describe anyone on this blog or elsewhere. I have repeatedly criticized it whenever it occurs.

Just because I and others may disagree with and see serious fault in your preferred candidate is no excuse to respond with offensive and derogatory language and insults. It doesn't change the argument being made and instead only reflects poorly upon you, your candidate, and fellow supporters.

Why don't you instead try to offer substantive defense for Obama's Marxist "clinging to religion" stereotype of small town America? Or his clearly conflicting views on gun ownership? Or...

Matthew
http://www.TheIndependentView.Com

Insinuations are no different than saying the actual words and you know it.

You have no evidence that Obama is Marxist, no evidence that his statement is even close to Marxist doctrine other than some other poster that said it was close and used a Wikipedia entry to cite as evidence, yet you've already picked it up as your own research and started spouting it off here and on other threads.

Thus I am perfectly within my province to say that YOU spread hate. I never said that you resort to name calling. But your constant diatribe saying that Obama is a racist allows you the wiggle room to throw the issue onto the web without having to take ownership of it. Awfully brave...

I would never use Wikipedia for my source. This doesn't change the correctness of the information. As a history grad I've had to read Marx. I still have the books.

Matthew
http://www.TheIndependentView.com

Matthew,

When cult members feel that the leader of the cult is being attacked its classic behavior to try and remove the person doing the attacking. This whole "movement" bears a lot of resembalance to the Manson clan.

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Well, I would just tell you to go f*** yourself, but then you'd probably get the vapors.

So instead, I'll just suggest that you are congenitally stupid or willfully dishonest or some combination of the two.

Because essentially both the Hillary and McCain campaigns are telling voters that they are too stupid to figure out what Obama's point was, so "here, let us sort it out for you dumb motherfuckers."

But I guess all those PA voters shouldn't be offended by Hillary and McCain blowing smoke up their asses and telling them what to think.

Jodyphile,

I'll give you that the term "war" is a mischaracterization of McCain's 100 year remark. The point is that the idea that we could have a Korean style presence in Iraq is so disingenuous that it is hard to take the comment on face value. The lies about Iraq coming from the Republican side have been so numerous and blatant that it becomes natural to not respond to what was said, but what was meant.

For instance how can we believe that McCain "misspoke" on separate numerous occasions about the Sunni Al Qaeda having significant ties to the Shia Iran? People are concerned about these statements not so much by what was said, but by the implication that we could have direct military action against Iran.

Likewise, the response by Obama was not directly towards the "war" of 100 years, but the mindset that would have our troops, and our economic resources devoted to a cause that was self defeating.

Ok, now that I answered your question, answer a couple of mine.

1) If it is true that McCain envisions a 100 year peaceful presence in Iraq, how many more years of the true war do we have to go through before that stopwatch starts ticking?

2) How would that 100 year presence be viewed considering how our presence in Saudi Arabia turned out?

I got dragged out in mid-sentence a while back. My main point is not what John McCain is planning or not planning, but the fact that Obama intentionally misrepresented McCain's words. Obama was confronted with it on a talk show, and still held to his ridiculous distortion of McCain's words.

So my point is that Obama is lying. And I am asking where is the "new politics" that he talks about?

Of course, I take it as a given on TPM blogsites that Hillary is a liar, toast, and every obscenity in the book. Plus, she isn't the one claiming to practice non-partisan "new politics".

As for how long McCain would stay in Iraq in hopes of having the peacekeeping presence, I don't know. He probably doesn't know. It is irrelevant to the fact that Obama lied and continues to lie about what McCain DID say.

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What's really sad is that no matter how much the Hillarybots spin this nonsense, she's still a loser.

Got that? She's already lost. You can photoshop Obama into bed with a live boy and show him feasting on white babies and at this point, Hillary still will not be the nominee. But you may get your wish for President McCain, you fricken' dumbasses.

If the November 2008 choice is between the lying, manufactured image, empty suit Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) or hot tempered John McCain (R-AZ) the VietNam war hero, I'd gladly take McCain anytime. Obama is an empty suit who is NOT qualified to be POTUS. I'm not even sure he's proud to be an American.

Super Happy Obama Fun Time Videos to enjoy:
http://redstate.com/stories/archived/super_happy_obama_fun_time_videos

Whats with the Race card everytime from one of the Obamaistas?

Two Faced Hillary is at it again.

Back in 1992 she looked down on people "who stay home and bake cookies, or stand by their man".

Looks like Hillary has now gone through a election death bed Family Values conversion.

Can you say political expediency and Tuzla Airport Windsock, Boys and Girls?

Jaysin: You might want to consider asking for a tuition refund from your Third Grade reading teacher; you are having some real difficulty.

Here is what Obama actually said (per the Washington Post):

"In a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long," he told the donors. "The jobs have been gone now for 25 years, and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Contrary to your spin, he says nothing about "rural" voters -- his comments are directly addressed to "communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania."

Contrary to your spin, he says nothing about voters that "cling to single-issue voting that they can affect." Rather, Obama -- in obvious stereotyping -- categorizes people in "big industrial states" as bitter and frustrated, who as a group "cling to guns or religion." People "cling to guns" in difficult economic times -- you must be kidding. People "cling to religion" to explain their frustration -- absurd.


Sounds like you're the one who is spinning.

I admit, Obama should have been clearer and said that politicians EXPLOIT this bitterness by bringing up wedge issues like guns and religion.

But, to somehow misconstrue Obama meaning that somehow "People "cling to guns" in difficult economic times". Yeah, you MUST be kidding.

That's not what he meant.

Really?

You don't see him talking about rural America?

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Oh, I get it. He used the word small towns, so obviously I'm wrong since you want to whine about semantics.

Whatever. When you'd like to have a discussion at the grown-ups table, let me know.

I think he meant they hold onto whatever they can hold onto. They've lost their hope and their security and they damn well don't want anybody to take anything else -- be it their guns or their sense of moral outrage, or those precious few jobs that are left. I don't see why this is so hard to follow or seems such an outrageous thing to say. And people do vote based on this need to hold onto something. But there's no way Obama was implying there's something mean spirited about these patterns, he was simply expressing understanding, and even more absurd is the claim that he said people turn to religion or go hunting because they don't have jobs. I mean, that's just dumb as dirt. That Clinton can look into a camera and say crap like that with a straight face is just another of those things that makes me pray I don't have to vote for her in the Fall.

Hillary says she was "taken aback" by the comments?

In truth perhaps taken aback by an opportunity to pounce on a mistaken word or two, but certainly she could not have been 'taken aback' by the substance of what Obama was saying - that working-class voters who don't vote on economic issues avoid it because of a trail of broken promises.

She knows and in truth I'm sure agrees with what Obama meant. That's why she can go nowhere but further into the gutter of shamless lying by pretending to be offended by Obama's comment.

I am getting so sick of her manipulations!

Someone please stop this ride I'm beginning to feel sick!!!


Once again I have to ask, How are Obama's statements about small town America wrong? Have not "wedge issues" been used to distract from the larger problems. I mean come on, there is even a term for it.

Is not America starting to wake up to the fact from all of the scandals that some of their religious and political leaders are more interested in power than the well being or views of their constituents?

With the Right Track-Wrong Track polls in historic lows, is it really such a jump to dare suggest that the mood of the electorate is bitter?

The real problem here is that Obama spoke truth to the power of the status quo and they reflexively counter punched before thinking about what they were saying. Now they are stuck trying to persuade voters that they should take getting shafted by the true power elite insiders with a smile on their face.

Politico:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0408/Where_Obamas_bitter_comments_go_from_here.html

The fun like the Rev. Wright is just starting. Even if Senator Empty Suit Obama wins the Dem nomination, he's lost the GE.

"Where Obama's 'bitter' comments go from here

Typically when politicians want to bury bad news, they put it out late on a Friday -- which is precisely when this story broke.

But for at least five reasons, this story may only gain steam in the days ahead.

First, Obama and his campaign are attacking the problem head-on, seeking to "hang a lantern on their problem." The candidate sought to clarify his comments last night in Terre Haute, Indiana, and did more of the same today.

But this morning in Muncie he also offered something approaching a mea culpa, which he pointedly did not last night.

"I didn’t say it as well as I should have because you know the truth is is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation those are important," Obama admitted.

Such a partial walkback provides a new wrinkle and, more important, new soundbyte sure to find its way onto the evening news and 24-hour cable stations.

Second, it's being amplified by not just one but two entities. It's in the short-term interest of Hillary (the Pennsylvania primary is in 10 days) and long-term interest of McCain and the GOP to keep dousing gasoline on the fire.

Hillary is organizing a conference call with Tom Vilsack (not just a former Iowa governor but a Pennsylvania native) and other Keystone state officials to drive her own aggressive message from this morning (that Obama was being an elitist and that religion is embraced because people are "spiritually rich" and not "materially poor).

The RNC is circulating comments by pundits and reporters that underscore the danger of what Obama said and also enlisting every GOP official from Minority Leader John Boehner to the Pennsylvania Republican chairman to lambaste the Democratic hopeful.

This double-barreled assault, the equivalent of a two-against-one schoolyard fight, offers significant fodder to both perpetuate the story and balance out Obama's version of what he meant.

Third, Obama's comments play directly into an already-established narrative about his candidacy. Why did Hillary's Bosnian gaffe cut deep but McCain's Sunni/Shiite mix-up not seem to leave much more than a bruise? Because, fair or not, questions of honesty are the Achilles heel of the Clinton brand while McCain is perceived as strong and knowing on national security. One fit into a framework and the other didn't.

And much ink has already been spilled on Obama's primary shortcomings and potential general election challenges with blue-collar white voters. For him to an offer an inartful explanation of that which informs these people’s lives and voting patterns only underlines his weakness with this constituency.

Fourth, his observations will, to borrow a phrase, be ones that launched a thousand op-eds. Besides sex, what drives the news and opinion industry more than race, religion, culture and class? In a few paragraphs last Sunday, and then again last night and today, he candidly took on all these American bugaboos. With the Jeremiah Wright affair, Obama called for a conversation on race. He now may have wound up, at least in the chattering classes, broadening that dialogue.

Fifth, simple timing. The Sunday shows will chew over the initial comments, the follow-up explanations by Obama, the punches thrown by Hillary and McCain and ask Democrats, including some Obama backers, for their reaction. This will drive the news cycle tomorrow and lead straight into Monday morning when, as fate would have it, Clinton and Obama will be in Pittsburgh speaking before over a thousand steelworkers. The event is sponsored by a labor/industry steel coalition, The Alliance for American Manufacturing, and amounts to an audition for the endorsement of, you guessed it, the Steelworkers union. A group which includes more than a few members who count themselves as churchgoers and gun-owners.

Also in Pittsburgh Monday and Tuesday: John McCain.

Think he'll find time to talk to local reporters?


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Your avatar would be more accurate if the ice cream was chocolate. Because then it would look a lot more like the brown matter that fills your head.

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One, I've found getting through these comments is much easier if I just skip over all the posts by and responses to Marginal Player, Matthew Weaver and a few others. (I do read Gotalife. His trollings are so short and full of non sequitors that they're easy to get through.)

Second, Obama spoke the truth, and he gave a real and valid argument for why people vote against their economic interests. For the last three decades, people have seen that political promises have no beneficial impact on their lives. No matter what the politicians promise, the jobs keep going oversees, the debts keep mounting, healthcare and education keep getting more expensive, and the American dream gets harder to reach.

This is reality for a whole lot of people, and the natural reaction to this is bitterness and cynicism about Washington.

When you believe a vote will have no impact on your economic circumstances, it is perfectly rational to base your vote on something else, and that something else is usually the wedge issues that the Republicans have been using for years - God, guns and gays as someone so succinctly put it.

That's what he's saying. They're nothing condescending about speaking truth. There's nothing elitist about responding to people's anger, especially when it's justified.

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Know what I find elitist? I find this elitist:

"As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children."

Hillary wants an image of happy, shiny people to go with her narrative. But the truth is, that people are not working hard everyday for a better future. They're working hard everyday just to hold on. They're trying not to lose too much ground, but better is tough to envision when the high-paying jobs are gone, when the benefits are cut, when just getting basic healthcare is eating up the money that families might once have used for their futures, when education is getting more expensive, and grants and loans are harder to come by.

Of course, people are bitter. To deny that is patronizing in the extreme.

And it has been the politics-as-usual that has created this situation. We have an economy in deep trouble right now, but even when the economy was strong during the '90s, it wasn't helping a lot of the people in the rust belt. The 90s economy was great for some, but the jobs with good benefits were still bleeding off and heading overseas, especially in places like Pennsylvania and Indiana. The old pension plans were being replaced with self-funded plans that greatly increased risk. The costs of education and healthcare were outpacing inflation and wage gains. The past 25 years have simply not been good to blue-collar workers.

This is reality. We cannot improve it without acknowledging it.

Stop, I live in the rust belt. Cities like Detroit/Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo were doing very well in the 1990's. There were significant amounts of investments there, new jobs, more home ownership, lower welfare rates, lower murder rates. Was it a panacea? No. Was it a whole lot better than it was before the 1990's and after the 1990's yes.

The problem with what he said wasn't exactly the words. It was the way they were given. And, for him to say "these people" like we are pariahs or something is especially galling.

Its simply another indication of the Eastern Liberal bent to his candidacy. The Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi..east coast/west coast faction of the party that has lost every election for the democrats since 1968.

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I agree, the 90s were better. BUT, and this is the point, many of the trends that are hurting people were still going on during the 90s. Benefits like health insurance and pensions have been shrinking for 25 years, and those trends did not change substantially in the 90s. They impact of those trends were more easily absorbed because the economy overall was better, but the trends were still there.

Ahhh, but thats a different topic entirely. Honestly, those issues are milk and honey issues for any Democrat. There isn't a Democrat in elective office that won't agree to any of those things of which you speak. The real issue of what he said is again, how it came out and the "tone" of how most of what he says on the economy comes out. And, I don't see it as a small thing at all. John Kerry is a fine Democrat but he didn't connect with people strictly on this issue. If a Democrat can't control that issue and battle the Republican on another turf then they are extremely hampered in ability to win.

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May I remind you that Obama represents Illinois and Hillary represents Manhattan? May I remind you that had Hillary really had her heart in the heartland, she'd have gone home to Illinois and run for the Senate there and there would be no Senator Obama representing Illinois today had she been elected? But Hillary didn't think the heartland was good enough for her. She's a lying hypocrite. It's Obama who took his Harvard law degree to the mean streets of Chicago, married a girl from the souths side and worked to learn the ways both the urban and rural in Illinois.

What are we going to have a pissing contest? She, a hated Clinton, won Western NY twice! WNY, who are strictly Catholic Reagan Democrats. And lastly, it comes back to experience. Yes, hers matters when she was in the White House twice and made the connection to the heartland that matters. Its important. It can't be overlooked and swept under the carpet. The words, they matter......hmmmmmm who said that?

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Well, as a Catholic who was born and raised on an Iowa farm and who has lived all my life in IA and MN, I guess it depends on what part of the heartland you are talking about. Obama overwhelming won both my home states and I see no support for Hillary here at all.

you're living in a dream world if you think a Hillary Clinton presidency will return things back to the ways of the old. Time to move on and be strong.

Well, I guess after Team Obama broadcast 30 second commercials on the key remarks in his Indiana speech, the small town outrage will be something like Bosnia for Team Clinton.

Yes, Team Clinton is consistent.

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I don't think Hillary "$109 Million" Clinton has a clue about how bitter working class people are, and I don't think she ever will. Her presidency would be more of the same as we're getting now, because the DLC folks don't do this stuff for the middle class. They're about power, big money, and deal-making. They'll let things slide for their pals in the pharma, energy, and banking industries. They won't fix what needs fixing in order to give working class folks a chance (see Bankruptcy Bill).

Why should anyone think that this gross dishonesty from Hillary Clinton would stop when the election is over? She has to go through such contortions to try to chop and twist Obama's statements into something that let's her feign outrage, it's no wonder her eyes are constantly bugging out. She'd lie just as much from the Oval Office.

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My main point is not what John McCain is planning or not planning, but the fact that Obama intentionally misrepresented McCain's words.

You don't have the luxury of parsing it like that.

My reply was that Obama was responding to McCain's planning and future intentions. McCain was trying to boast about his toughness, upping the original questioner's time line from 50 to 100 years, without regard to the military or U.S. capacity to handle that commitment or even if it would be wise to do so.

Later McCain used hyperbole when he claimed Americans would not be "concerned" if the U.S. spends "10,000 years" in Iraq. Do you really believe he meant that. 10,000 years!!! Something tells me that around the year 6500 or so even the most die hard conservative would want a time table for withdrawal.

Are you saying that the only correct response is to take the man literally at his word as I just did? Or maybe, just maybe, the correct response should be better directed at the meaning instead.

Now since McCain, or you for that matter, won't answer the two questions I posed, there is no way to determine the proper meaning of his statement. Given that ambiguity I'll go with the one Obama choose. McCain will stay in Iraq without any criteria for getting out. The consequences of the war do not factor anywhere in his equation for success and failure.

That is a horrible way to conduct the war and McCain deserves to be beat over the head with it as much as possible.

Just say no to the 100 years Bush/McCain war. Yep. Sounds about right to me.

This is Obama's macaca moment. His true color is beginning to come to a sharper focus. It was bound to happen. Fortunately, someone had recorded his talk in a private fundraising event.
It's a piece of the puzzle. The other pieces are MIchelle Obama's comments and Obama's embracing of Rev. Wright.

His true color is beginning to come to a sharper focus.

And as anyone who's tried to focus colors can tell you, that ain't good.

Hillary supporters in this thread: Do you really, REALLY, believe that Hillary does not agree with Obama on the substance of the statement?

I guarantee there is a record out there of Hillary and/or Bill saying or agreeing with a very similar statement to what Obama said.

Her pretense to be 'taken aback' by his statement is the height of absurdity -- a spin so desperate she is in danger of damaging herself permanently with all the Democrats to whom this is painfully obvious.

Right you are. I think Obama's next book should be "The Audacity of the Clintons".

Right you are. I think Obama's next book should be "The Audacity of the Clintons".

Right you are. I think Obama's next book should be "The Audacity of the Clintons".

Sorry about the mulitple posts. I blame Bill Gates. (I should have bought a Mac.)

Republicans have always used gay bashing, and love of God and Guns as pacifiers. What Obama said was nothing new. He could have said the same thing by stressing that the world today is made for smart people with college degrees, and those without face a serious disadvantage. It's time politicians articulate the truth, instead of the staging a duck hunt for the TV cameras as John Kerry did in 2004. People who are forced to make do with $9 an hour service jobs, to replace the $24 an hour factory jobs have a right to be resentful, but feeling bitter is not the answer. Learning how to access nlow opportunities is.

Truth be damned. Does any Obabma supporter here NOT wish he hadn't said that?

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