Hillary Campaign: Yes, We Did Raise $10 Million In One Day
A bunch of you have written in to express skepticism about the Hillary campaign's claim that they raised $10 million in the 24 hours following her Pennsylvania victory.
But the Hillary camp is now saying that, yes, in fact they did raise that sum.
Here's what happened. Yesterday afternoon top Hillary adviser Terry McAuliffe said on MSNBC that the campaign was on track to raise that amount by the end of the day. He also said that there were 50,000 new donors.
A lot of people understandably questioned those numbers, because they would mean that the average donation yesterday was $200 -- an unusually high sum.
But here's the deal. Hillary's top internet adviser, Peter Daou, tells me that McAuliffe was talking about the number of donors they had counted by that moment, not the projected total number of donors. Meanwhile, other Hillary advisers gave other reporters different donor numbers at different times, adding to the confusion.
But Daou clarifies that by 11 P.M. yesterday, the campaign had in fact taken in the $10 million, from a total of 100,000 donors -- 80,000 of them new.
That would mean an average contribution of roughly $100 -- which makes much more sense.
Separately, it looks as if Tech President's Micah Sifrey -- who first sounded the alarm about this -- has now updated with the same new info.
So that's where we are on this now. More if we get it.















That is a haul; no doubt. Good money after bad if you ask me. Now they can pay Mark Penn? Good for them. The Obama machine hasn't stopped and will out rais her for April
April 24, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, honestly I am not at all clear why so many of my fellow Obama supporters have been so skeptical of the claims. That a major candidate with some fairly wealthy backers can raise a lot of money in a hard-fought race immediately after an exciting victory does not seem a claim implausible enough to explain the skepticism with which it was greated. Perhaps a deep breath is in order.
In any event, for whatever little my opinion is worth I congratulate Sen Clinton and her supporters on the recent victory and subsequent fundraising success. These events testify to her obvious strength as a candidate and I tip my hat to her and her backers.
April 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The question is 80,000 new contributers in 24 hours seem to be a bit much.
April 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
The so-called confirming sources note:
"More than 80% of the 60,000 who pledged had never given money to the Clinton campaign before."
Given the above it seems the number is 48,0000 new contributers; however, various numbers are attributed to different individuals.
April 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Especially for a candidate who is not known for internet funding raising prowess.
Color skeptical. I don't believe it.
Remember back in Feb., she trupeted having a great month, when they were actually broke and $5 million of her $20 million actually came out of her own pocket.
The Clintons and everyone around them lie at the drop of a hat, so I have no reason to believe they are telling the truth now.
April 24, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg,
I think "fairly wealthy backers" is a little wide of the mark here. We're talking about 100k donors, mostly giving small dollar amounts (and the more "wealthy backers" included, the greater the percentage of small dollar donors.)
There are two aspects of this that I find utterly fascinating. In the first part of her campaign Hillary raised most of her money through traditional means (direct mail, offline events) from folks who expected her to win, and wanted to purchase access. What we've seen since then is that there was enormous untapped potential for Hillary to turn to grassroots efforts. It's part of the tragedy of her candidacy - there are so many if onlys: if only she'd contested the caucuses, if only she'd spent more prudently and planned for a longer campaign, if only she'd asked the people for support when their money might have made a difference.
But the more interest aspect of this is that money appears to flow to Hillary in inverse proportion to the chances she'll actually win the election. That's just fascinating to me. She's become a cause, a movement, every bit as much as her rival. Hillary is now a living avatar of the frustrated hopes and dreams of millions of American women, who passionately identify with her refusal to step aside and allow a less-experienced, younger man to take the job she's long coveted and prepared to hold. (To a lesser extent, she's also an emblem for working class frustrations and struggles, but that's not where most of this cash is coming from.) So the worse Hillary fares, the dimmer her prospects become, the more intense the identification and admiration. The day Obama announces he's got 2,025 delegates, she'll probably give a defiant speech and raise $15 million. The nobility of her cause has come to be judged by its futility, and that's simply astounding to me.
April 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
At this point, I believe completely that this is right:
I have my own theories on this and I don't really want to go into them.
;)
April 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto what Tena said, dear FotW. This is part of the reason that I am increasingly convinced that no matter which supers come out for whom by June 3, the Clinton/Obama struggle will not end until the nomination is formally proclaimed in Denver in August. :-/
April 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's an interesting analysis.
It's no coincidence that today is "equal pay day", the day where women finally get the amount of money men earned in last year.
(It takes 16 months for women to make the same as man makes in 12 months)
April 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
correction, Tuesday was equal pay day.
April 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear FotW,
To be very clear, I did not say that all that money came from wealthy backers. I simply said (and said truly, nears as I can tell) that she has "some fairly wealthy backers." She does. She also has many more less affluent backers and I am not trying to ascribe all $10 million of that haul to the more well-heeled, but simply as a point of fact she does have some fairly wealthy backers.
April 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fair enough. Sorry if that seemed to harsh.
April 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's a general symptom of voters not trusting anything that comes from Clinton or her camp, frankly. I'm not sure it has as much to do with the fund-raising, specifically.
April 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Experience, Greg. You're the nicest, fairest person on any blog ANYWHERE. That's why I like reading you and I respect your opinion. I'm a witch, so I want someone from the HRC campaign to state for the record none of the money cam ein the form of a donation from the candidate to the campaign.
April 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly? :-) You don't really think they have earned the skepticism? See a response down-thread that catalogs all the times they have been caught lying just on this one issue of fund-raising...
April 24, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unbelievable. What do we have here. A strong Obama supporter who can actually be rational and write with some restraint! You make me emotional, Friend. God BLESS you.
April 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Although, these numbers seem extreme, Obama had a major jump as well. In any event the picture will be clear on the next FEC report that shows the day by day amounts.
April 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. What a waste...
April 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, so Hillary must have gotten Hsu, and all his nonexistent dishwashers, to contribute again.
snark
April 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would that be the same Hsu who bundled money for Obama as well as Hillary?
April 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think what this whole kerfluffle demonstrates is that the Clinton campaign has an increasing credibility problem.
(Added to that large credit problem that it already has...)
April 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hm, your take on it is unusual, but I confess that is a good point. As I mentioned above, there really is nothing that odd about the claims her campaign made, so the fact that they were greeted with such a surprisingly strong reaction of skepticism does testify to an emerging consensus that nothing she says is to be trusted. I am obliged to you (as usual) for the insight.
April 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have I redeemed myself for posting hearsay?
;)
April 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, there was nothing to redeem. After it became clear that there were far more sources of coroboration for the claim than just the one referenced in Mr Stein's article, I would have to say that I realized that the claim was much more reliable than I had suggested. In other words, you were right and I was wrong. Given that I never said as much on your thread, allow me to take the moment to concede as much right now.
April 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're both right. When I posted that blog, the corroborating evidence wasn't available. And, to be honest, I posted it just out of sheer irritation with Clinton at that point.
I just lucked out that there was, in fact, corroboration.
April 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's true. It's certainly possible! And it really doesn't matter. Good for her. It's probably true. But Greg, the fact that the Hillary Camp is STILL saying it's true, doesn't make it any truer.
April 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
she raised $10 million no doubt.
why is no one pointing out that last 2 months a good chuck of the amount she reports raising is GE only
and why has no one asked how much is GE only?
April 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Election Central? The Rasmussen numbers you have posted are from yesterday, not today.
April 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
They can pay off Penn and still have about 5 million left, I guess.
Whoop ti fucking doo!
April 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congrats to the Clinton campaign--I wish Senator Obama could raise money like that.
Greg, have you asked them if they paid off their small vendors and other outstanding debt? Or is that money already gone too?
April 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish Senator Obama could raise money like that.
Just beautiful.
April 24, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
On to the next state that doesn't matter spending all that dough on dumb low information, working class, and problematic older voters. Don't Democrats get it?
April 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
TPM has the wrong figures posted for Rasmussen
Obama versus Clinton: Why are they doing this.
Here is the correct figures. Obama 49 versus Clinton 42
Thursday, April 24, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll November.
In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination little has changed--Obama earns support from 49% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters while Clinton attracts 42%
April 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're lying. Just like they been lying every step of the way when it comes to fund raising numbers.
When the numbers come out weeks from now for this period, no one is going to remember – and the media isn’t going to bother – let alone be able to prove they did raise this, but that's what they're counting on.
This is all for the benefit of Super delegates and the gullible media who spread the news like “she one by double digits” (the campaign used that phrase first on election night and the media hasn’t let go of that terminology).
And if this figure is even close to being real, how much was 1) loaned by the Clinton's themselves, 2) is for the general , 3) from big donors who are already over the limit but will have the $$ returned later (after bookkeeping is corrected)?
They have been full of shit since day one on all issues, but especially the fund raising numbers.
Remember the first quarter of the race in January 2007?
Obama announced his numbers and then Clinton came out with figures just above, taking the spotlight off his incredible first quarter take.
Months later, when it didn't matter, the Clinton campaign "corrected" their figures DOWN and called it a "bookkeeping error". Turns out Obama beat THE CLINTON’S fundraising machine in the first quarter of the campain.
And finally, do you remember after March 5th she raised $5 Million that night (then it became 15 million in 15 days)? Yet she ended March in the red?
They are Clinton's. They are LIARS.
April 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder how many Republicans are now contributing to Hillary's campaign to further the bloodshed?
April 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
A fascinating suggestion--and observation--Opus. I suspect that if someone were to run the new voter names, and former donations to other candidates, there would be a lot of "converted" Republicans.
Has anyone looked online at sites like redstate.org to see if there is any encouragement to donate to Clinton?
April 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was my first thought - I'm sure there are plenty of Republicans that are just thrilled to donate to Clinton since she's doing their job for them. I bet that's why there are so many NEW donors - they could be Repubs! It behooves them to keep this drama going as long as possible. Why should they give $$ to McCain when she's the one in the news slamming Obama all the time?
April 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
2 quick points.
1. This is obviously good for HRC considering her mounting debts and low cash on hand. Showing that she's still in the race, notwithstanding the fact, that it's mathematical impossible to catch up on delegates.
2.There is a tension she must negotiate, in that, BHO has 1.4 Million Donors and the sound of HRC bringing in 10M in one day is all the motivation his donors need to drop some more dough.
Full Disclosure:
I'm a BHO fan and when I heard that HRC raised 10M in one day, I went to BarackObama.com and dropped another $100 on his campaign.
April 24, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
How dare you.
They are not lying.
Those donor and donation counts are as real as Tuzla Snipers.
April 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Liar, liar. Sniper fire.
April 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check out the "Calendar" over in the right column. How can Bill and Hillary do so much campaigning and still be so far behind?
April 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yesterday.
Twice. The first thing I did yesterday morning was to send him another donation.
Then another one when I heard about her supposed $10 million.
April 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is bullshit. No way she raised that much. She raises that much after PA, but not after March 5?
Again, total bs. Who believes anyone anymore in that campaign?
April 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another super for Obama today:
http://www.kptv.com/politics/15978606/detail.html
April 24, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm.
I guess Clinton's mind games still aren't working on the Supers...
April 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not gonna see a Greg or Eric post on this - thanks for posting it!
April 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I should say, not gonna see a Greg or Eric post on this unless there's a corresponding Clinton super. Jeesh!
April 24, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent news. Thank you for sharing that.
April 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent news.
The tide has turned.
April 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
wait, I thought money couldn't buy elections?
Boy, Hillary supporters change talking points so quickly, it's tough to keep up!
April 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife is on the loose again. When is that Village in Clintonia going to learn to lock their Idiot in!!!
April 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the tide is turning - Obama just picked up another super. Woohoo!!! And Hillary has picked up a total of - wait for it - 9 net PA delegates. That's massive, huh?
April 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
so that's really $9.4 million, right?
April 24, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now THAT is funny! :)
April 24, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Politico:
April 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
And, CBS reported yesterday that she only gained a total of 9 extra delegates.
9.
LOL.
Supers aren't going to over turn anything.
April 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, that tide is definitely turning.
Did you read the Politico piece on Hillary leading in the foreign policy blunders?
I'm surprised it's not getting more attention.
April 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just checked the PA Department of State website. It appears that 45 election district have not yet reported. 40 of them are in Philadelphia. The remaining 5 are sprinkled across the rest of the state (though all districts in the counties bordering Philly have reported).
April 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are Hillary's number for real? Call me a cynic, but I never trust anything they say. These are the same folks who had big contributions from dishwashers and empty warehouses last year. I always get the feeling that her big donors, all maxed out, will find nieces and nephews, even pets, to "contribute" through the internet. It would be awfully easy to cheat on those small donors.
Dishwashers for Clinton
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/21/AR2007102101069.html
I've never heard much discussion about these fraud donations.
April 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
She may see that melt a little further if that's the case.
She just didn't meet anything like her expectation in Pa.
April 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup.
April 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that the numbers that have been released by the PA Department of State Bureau of Elections do not include absentees as of yet, as the formal count of absentee ballots did not commence until yesterday (a preliminary count is made at the individual precincts after the polls close on election night, but that count is not reflected in the numbers released by the state or the county boards of election on election night). Not sure this will move the numbers much, but I suspect that they will move a bit. ALso yet to be counted in PA are any provisional ballots that are ruled proper. That process begins tomorrow, I think.
April 24, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, the media will ignore this and continue calling Pennsylvania a double-digit victory.
April 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right. I heard an ABCNews radio report on Wednesday say she won Texas. It just doesn't end!
Silly me, I forgot. Caucuses don't count.
April 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not that it really matters at this point, despite the win she is still far behind. I sure next she will say that the dem nominee should be the one who can raise $10 million in a day. It will be interesting after this is all said and done whether she will even be able to get reelected to the senate with her approval rating dropping in NY.
April 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, this is one New Yorker who will actively work with her Democratic opponent to unseat her in 2012. She's done very little for upstate NY and this campaign has soured me against her for life.
April 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, Carol, I have heard that from so many other New Yorkers.
In fact, going into this campaign, it was the New Yorkers I know who kept telling me not to support her.
April 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was abundantly clear to many New Yorkers from the very beginning that she was running for the Senate seat merely as a stepping-stone. Had Giuliani not been stricken by health problems and forced to drop out, I think he'd be our Senator right now.
April 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I imagine Tom Suozzi will give that a shot. He got trounced pretty badly by Spitzer in the guv primary, though.
April 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
if she is such a good investment, why havent bill and hillary used their own 100million dollar fortune to fund this campaign?
April 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I fully expect for Hillary to crash Obama's inauguration and challenge him to another debate.
April 24, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've already said that when Obama cleans off his shoe, pops his collar and steps up to take the oath, Clinton is going to be whining about another debate, telling everyone she just raised $50 million and she's not stopping until - well, ever.
April 24, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
the firstFEC Report: Hillary Clinton (April Monthly 2008)
April 21, 2008
On April 20, 2008, Hillary Clinton’s campaign filed its April Monthly FEC Report. This report covers the period of Mar. 1 - 31, 2008. Here’s the breakdown:
Total Raised In March: $20,931,870.78
Money Spent In March: $22,372,765.27
Cash On Hand At End Of March: $31,712,197.67
—> For Primary: Approx $9,000,000
—> For General Election: Approx $22,000,000
Debts: $10,321,562.87
*It’s worth noting that this report does not include the $2.5 million that Sen. Clinton raised at the recently held fundraiser with Elton John.
Sen. Clinton is in a similar financial position to the one she was in last month; it’s actually slightly worse when the numbers are analyzed, since her campaign actually began the month in the red with almost a million dollars more owed than they had available in primary funds. A big win in Pennsylvania would certainly help her short term financial outlook. It’s also worth adding that Clinton raised approximately $15 million online during the month of March, which demonstrates an increase in ability to raise money online
of the 2.5 million????
April 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ayers won't feed Obama 'narrative'
The gop's next ad.
April 24, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some where in Clintonia a Village is missing it's Idiot.
Gotalife, go back there!!!
April 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You seem to have an inside line on GOP strategy.
April 24, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary said that she voted for the Iraq Invasion because George W. Bush mislead her; in other words,, her excuse for voting for the Iraq war is: She was Duped by A Dope.
How would she do against intelligent foes, if she could be so fooled by Bush!
Also, who can she blame for having duped her into out Bushing Bush by threating to "Obliterate" seventy million men, women, and CHILDREN, even though that country does not have any nuclear weapons, and the country she is protecting does. What will she do if the country with the nukes attacks the other country. Hmmmmm?
Dr Hillary Strangelove Clinton has crossed The Fear Monger In Chief Threshold!!!
April 24, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I learned a long time ago, until I have video evidence of $10 million, I'm not going to believe a damn word out of the Clinton campaign.
Not that it would matter anyway, this would mean she is maybe a hair above broke. I'm happy about it actually, because I feel bad for her all of those vendors she has been screwing over. As much as I'd love to see debt collectors called in to go after her unpaid bills, I feel bad for the small businesses that are getting screwed.
April 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Democrats worry Obama won't be able to win in November
It is the question that has hung over Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, and it loomed large on Tuesday night after his loss to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Pennsylvania: Why has he been unable to win over enough working-class and white voters to wrap up the Democratic nomination?"
The choice is clear.
Clinton wins the general easily.
Its a no brainer for the supers.
April 24, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama edging ahead of John McCain, 47% to 45%. While that lead is not statistically significant, it is only the second time in the past six weeks that Obama has held any advantage over McCain. Notably, 74% of Democrats say they will support Obama. That’s a five-point improvement for the Illinois Senator compared to last week’s polling. Obama has also gained ground among the unaffiliated.
April 24, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain continues to enjoy a two-point advantage over Hillary Clinton, 47% to 45%. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
April 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Loofah - I love how you quote these thingsf as if they're significant statements - but you don't cite who you're quoting. Let's see... Karl Rove? Lannie Davis? Jessica Simpson? C'mon, be a little more informative.
April 24, 2008 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I laughed and laughed at this one! Especially since I am a new donor to the Clinton campaign and I plunked down $200. of my hard earned just to spit in her ocean of need.
this was so spot on, even if it IS anectodal that I can believe it! Not every thing you read is spin.
April 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll gladly spit in her ocean too!
April 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 24, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn these rented finners!
April 24, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Clinton wins the general easily"? Oh, boy.
Anyway... the only "no brainer" for the supers is that they will never overturn Obama's 150+ lead in pledged delegates because they know that it would destroy party.
The race is over. I'm sure Senator McCain appreciates all that you're doing to help get him elected though.
April 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does it really matter? It should be clear by now that there's no trick to raising bursts of cash over the internet. The real question is can she sustain it.
Or: Morrigan in Oregon, prepare to shell out more!
April 24, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why can't Hillary win the black vote?
NO DEMOCRAT can win in November without the black vote.
Why can't Hillary convince blacks that she deserves their support?
April 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Been on international travel the last four months?
April 24, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops now I see you were being sarcastic -- hard for me to discern subtly from ingenuousness before 2d coffee.
April 24, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would just be so profoundly uncharacteristic for this $10 million story to be true, without some major qualification that makes the original statement highly misleading (e.g., half were for a GE race that will never come).
April 24, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Noooo, we said $10 million doll hairs.
April 24, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quote: "e.g., half were for a GE race that will never come"
Yes, I did read that she was asking maxed-out donors to contribute to the GE, on the theory that most reporters would be too stupid to note the distinction.
Truth to tell, I can't imagine why anyone who hadn't been contributing to her all along would decide now that the lies and GOP trash talk had turned it for them. But that's what makes horse races, I guess.
April 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Surely most of those wealthy backers have already maxed out. It's not like this is the first strong call for donations from the Clinton campaign. I'd like to see a statement from the campaign detailing how much of the $10 million was for the primary and how much was general election contributions by people who have already maxed out for the primary.
The Clinton campaign has repeatedly exaggerated its donations by counting those general election funds, which are worthless at this point. I see no reason to assume they're not doing the same this time.
April 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The idea that someone who is hated by half this country easily winning the GE is quite laughable..
The best hillary could ever hope for is the 51% bush win, and I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone where that's gotten us. And maybe someone can explain why these hillary supporters are so nutty about her? Do they think she will return us to the '90s? I sure hope not, once was enough. You can slice it anyway you want, or justify it any way you want, Obama is winning fair and square
The rules are plain and simple, Michigan, Florida and and the dem party knew the consequences of their actions. Either play the game by the rules or get out and stop acting like children who don't like it when they are losing.
April 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does it really matter? It should be clear by now that there's no trick to raising bursts of cash over the internet. The real question is can she sustain it.
Or: Morrigan in Oregon, prepare to shell out more
How much gas would Obama supporters contributions have bought them when McCain wins in the GE because the children's crusade of Obama gets to the ocean and the seas don't part so they can walk dry shod to the holy land?.
That is the real question.
April 24, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's an odd question. My contributions would have bought a ton of watermelons, too. But I deemed the money better served going to Obama. And I love watermelon.
April 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you in code mode or something?
BTW, I hope you are not in the Portland metro area (or drive much on I-5 between Portland and Eugene on the weekends) if so, I need to be more cautious when on the road if you are behind the wheel in our state.
April 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still don't buy it. Unless she hauls in like $30-40 million for the month, I say it's BS.
As an aside, I find it amusing that Camp Hillary, as she is about to finally lose the nomination, is now trumpeting a higher percentage of small donors after Obama's been running his entire campaign like that. A day late and a dollar short as they say...
April 24, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Question: "How much gas would Obama supporters contributions have bought them when McCain wins in the GE because the children's crusade of Obama gets to the ocean and the seas don't part so they can walk dry shod to the holy land?"
Yikes. Translation, please! I want to answer, but I can't make heads or tails of this.
BTW, re children's crusade: I am ostensibly part of Hillary's base: white, female, baby boomer, mother of two, and I've supported Obama almost from the beginning.
Please tell me you've got something more than snark in your quiver.
April 24, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the new donor figures they're giving mean new internet donors, that's not a big deal because she never really had a good internet operation to begin with. If suddenly everyone's going online to donate, it could mean a large number of her regular donors are now giving online. I dunno. That's a huge sum of money to give to someone who has already lost in terms of the actual voting and pledge delegates. On the other hand, Hillary says a lot of stuff that is weasel-wording, half-truths, bending the truth, rearranging the words of the truth, misusing the truth, etc., and if that's all you're hearing, then you're hearing an entirely different story from reality. She could just have all these people believing this is still a real race for voters.
April 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, she's been able to get the MSM to focus on the fucking popular vote. And it didn't really take much effort, either.
April 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. To listen to her, not only is the popular vote the proper metric, but she's ahead! ("If you count like I count...")
Neither, of course, is true.
April 24, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I count Michigan. Just like Saddam used to count Basra in his 99.9% election wins.
April 24, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Best. Post. Ever.
April 24, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm always in awe of how journalism is now defined by repeating talking points as if they're facts. Though some do make feeble attempts, such as MSNBC's font that said "Clinton Claims She's Ahead in the Popular Vote."
It's 24 hour news that does it. Too much time to fill. In the old days, a list of talking points A, B, C, D would be individually investigated before ever being repeated. If point A was found to be true, it was reported; if point B was false, it wasn't reported; if point C was hyperbole-laden or in doubt, it wasn't reported; and so on. Now they just toss it all out there and endlessly speculate. That is not journalism.
April 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics.
There's nothing to say that she did not receive 80K new contributions of $5 ea (400K) and the same old Aparachniks didn't funnel the other $9.6 Million.
I think that this may be specifically what they had in mind when they pushed for $5 donations on election night.
April 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg, where's the headline for David Wu's superdel endorsement?
http://www.kptv.com/politics/15978606/detail.html
April 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's on the front page. But we don't get a TPM page to comment on.
April 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
FINALLY!
Wu is my congressman and I guess we constituents letting him know we are firmly in the Obama camp (and blowing his hair back a bit on his 'we will not impeach Bush' position back in January) helped tip the scales a little for him that we do not favor Democrats who voted for Iraq over those who opposed the war before it even began.
April 24, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "free" McAuliffe "ad" on Fox probably brought in a few dollars.
April 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone asked if that's actually all for the primary? I believe the answer is no.
April 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, has anyone else read that she has been amassing delegates in Michigan and may have won up to 70% of the delegates from their district conventions this past weekend?
Is anyone besides me starting to feel discouraged and hopeless, especially now that she and Rove have teamed up? She is somehow inhuman, like that character in the Terminator; she just reshapes herself, respins the news her way, and keeps coming back.
Despite the current math, I'm really starting to think she's going to win a bloody victory here and leave the party in an absolute shambles. I heard a spokesman for the Republican party on the radio saying the Clinton win in PA is excellent news, for the Republicans. And someone else was comparing what the Democrats are doing now to what the Republicans did to themselves in 1964, a drawn-out nomination battle and a bitterly divided party losing to a relatively weak opponent.
April 24, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I read that. I'm trying to ignore it. They don't "count," of course, but they add some noise and seeming force to Hillary's "all the way to the convention!" threat in that they can be counted on (I assume) to exert pressure on credentials committee members or whoever it is that will hear their claim to being seated.
April 24, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still don't buy the veracity of these claims from the heroine of Tuzla's campaign.
April 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on.
No one has done more for the Democratic party than Barack Obama.
April 24, 2008 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lynn Dee,
I could not give a rat's patootie if you understand me or not.
You are also suggesting I have only snark 'in my quiver.' It seems I must be in good company around Obama supporters, or you just haven't been reading TPM's boards much.
I feel about Obama like I feel about Jesus, the dude himself is awesome but the followers leave me cold.
April 24, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quote: "I could not give a rat's patootie if you understand me or not."
Fine. Consider yourself misunderstood, then.
As for this:
Quote: "I feel about Obama like I feel about Jesus, the dude himself is awesome but the followers leave me cold."
Well, Clinton supporters mystify me too, but really, I hardly see how it matters what the candidates' supporters think of each other. Do Raiders fans like Chiefs fans? Not during a game, they don't.
I'm heartened, though, to hear though that you think Obama is awesome. Wish I could say the same about Hillary, but the way she's run her campaign -- and her apparent equanimity at running it a la Rove -- makes thinking well of her simply impossible at this point.
Maybe in her contemplative, post-politics incarnation I'll change my mind.
April 24, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Morrigan, If I could ask one question (because you sound sincere in your support of Hillary and smart enough to articulate your reasons for that support): What do you make of Hillary's continually redefining of what "winning" means? Do you not see it that way? (And if you don't, how do you see it?) Or, do you see it that way and think it's unfortunate but necessary? Something else? I'm genuinely curious.
April 24, 2008 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those of you who refuse to believe that Clinton could possibly have brought in anywhere near that amount of money need to get out of the pro-Obama blogs and away from the MSM pundits for a while and look at the facts.
There are millions of Democrats who want Hillary Clinton to be the nominee. 13.9 million have voted for her in the states that are being recognized and 15.1 million if you count those of us in Michigan and Florida. A win, however insignificant you believe it to be, gave Clinton supporters a little bit of renewed hope, leading to an opening of the wallets.
Do us all a favor and try to remember that, as much as you might want to dismiss us, we make up around half of the Democratic electorate.
April 24, 2008 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
He still didn't say how much was for the general and how much was in pledges. Each time they boast of a number like that, it turns out they were lying when the reports come out, by leaving out little details like that.
April 25, 2008 1:23 AM | Reply | Permalink