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Hillary Backer Bayh Pressing House Members Not to Endorse At All
In a sign that the Clinton camp is worried about more super-delegates endorsing Barack Obama, major Clinton-backer Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) has pressed his state's House members to delay endorsing, rather than lobbying them to come out in favor of Hillary.
"Why should they get crosswise with some of their friends if they really don't need to?" Bayh said, adding that he expects Hillary to carry many of their districts no matter how the endorsements turn out. "My advice to you is to follow the voters of your district."
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So, I take it, if Obama wins in Indiana, he will be switching his vote? Good to know.
April 24, 2008 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, I take it, if Obama wins in Indiana, he will be switching his vote? Good to know.
April 24, 2008 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heh. I've been wondering how Evan's Veep ambitions were coming along....
I don't know what portion of Indiana's Dem vote is AA, but I wonder if Evan is gonna be as "popular" when this is over as he was when he went into it.
April 24, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
This raises an interesting point, the extent to which the most zealous of Sen Cliton's supporters will suffer from her behavior. The longer she plays this wretched game, the more dead bodies there will be when she's done.
No more Obliterators In Chief.
Pax,
M.
April 24, 2008 4:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
After his endorsement of Clinton, I've vowed never to vote for him again.
I thought he would be a good president back when he was running. I thought he would bridge blue and red being a true Republicrat. Now I just think of him as another Joe Lieberman.
April 24, 2008 7:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I view Evan Bayh as just another example of how politicians' children rarely come close to matching the courage and leadership skills of their parents.
Other examples:
Mario Cuomo -- Andrew Cuomo
RFK -- Joseph Kennedy III
Hubert H. Humphrey -- Skip Humphrey
Harold Ford Sr. -- Harold Ford Jr.
John Adams -- John Quincy Adams
Harold Ickes (FDR's interior sec'y) -- Harold Ickes (Hillary Hack)
Tip O'Neill -- Tommy O'Neill
Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick -- Kwame Kilpatrick
George Romney -- Mitt Romney
Last but not least: George H.W. Bush -- George W. Bush.
I used to think Al Gore belonged in this group but I now think of him as a happy exception.
April 24, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do as I say, but not as I do? If I was a House member from IN and friggin' Bayh said that to me, I'd endorse Obama just out of spite. That's some serious BS.
April 24, 2008 12:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, do as I say, not as I do.
April 24, 2008 7:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
"My advice to you is to follow the voters of your district." ...um, isn't that going off message? According to Team Hillary, I thought pols were supposed to endorse based on their conscience. Snark aside, it's clear that they know that the delegate tsunami is peaking for Obama and now they are in crisis mode. Expect a regular series of SD endorsements for Obama over the next two weeks, followed by wins in NC and Indiana. And that will be the final song of the fat lady.
April 24, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
April 24, 2008 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
aaha, so he's advising them for their own good?
Sounds vaguely threatening.
April 24, 2008 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's sad because Sen Baye does not deserve being dragged down by the likes of Sen Clinton. Many of her supporters will not only be crushed, but unable to rise again.
It could all end tomorrow if 25 supers would come out and put Sen Obama ahead on all counts. The flood would start, allwoing Sen Obama to cross 2025 before Peurto Rico.
The Polster.com graphs show Camp Clinton going into a serious tailspin. PA was an abberation. "Because I want to see a woman president before I die" only invites disappointment.
I predict, however, a five-car collision.
Pax,
M.
April 24, 2008 4:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
That was my first thought when I read this. Was that a veiled threat?
April 24, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric, fix the link in your post.
April 24, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
So Evan Bayh is asking House Reps not to endorse anyone even though he has already endorsed Hillary. He is telling the Reps to follow their districts' votes even though he is not going to follow who Indiana votes for. Then when Andre Carson defies his words and endorses Obama, Bayh responds by saying "his endorsement won't affect anything."
April 24, 2008 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hah! Somebody (TPM?) should definitely ask Sen. Bayh why it's OK for him to endorse but not House members. Does he think he's all that and a bag of chips or what? Why is he so damn special that he gets to endorse but not other Congresspeople? Enquiring minds want to know.
April 24, 2008 3:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
If anyone is taken in by Hillary's insanely irrational "popular vote" strategy, consider these six points, and consider them carefully.
(1) Some states did not keep track of popular votes. The 500,000 advantage for Obama does not count several entire states that held caucuses and did not release statistics on the number of voters who participated. This would boost Obama significantly but we won't ever know the numbers.
(2) All of the other caucus states where Obama won handily (often by 2-1 margins) have hugely deflated numbers since, by definition, many fewer voters participate in caucuses. These states were bamboozled if the "popular" vote was supposed to count over delegates. For example, if Washington state, one of many caucus states in this category, knew that some superdelegates were going to decide who would be nominated according to the "popular" vote -- they would never have chosen the sanctioned caucus method. This would have dilluted their power enormously.
(3) In fact, for example, in Washington state, (a state where the caucus voter numbers are not reported) the popular vote went overwhelmingly for Obama in a "beauty contests" (a primary that didn't count) held after the official caucus. This huge advantage for Obama is simply not counted in Hillary's phony popular vote count.
(4) When all the states are taken together, Obama has overwhelmingly beaten Clinton, congressional district by congressional district (where the party rules count the results) in terms of percentage support. Percentage support is a far better metric of voter support than the selectively counted "popular" vote from primaries.
(5) With respect to Michigan and Florida, the arguments have been made over and over again. Agreeing not to campaign, voting with only one name on the ballot, and claiming afterward that those results should count, is simply fraudulent; and
(6) Post-Pennsylvania is Hillary's high point. She is going to be beaten badly in North Carolina (making up at least 150,000 of the vote margin lost in Pennsylvania) and will probably lose more votes in the remaining states. In any event, she can't catch up.
This should be easy for anyone to accept if they would simply apply a little unemotional logic. Hillary's surrogates are simply manipulating irrelevant numbers in order to get impressionable donors to keep sending money. It's a con game because the superdelegates have already decided behind the scenes to let her run out her string, but they know they can't deny the nomination to Obama.
Just as easy to understand is that the popular vote is utterly meaningless. Rules are rules. If I assumed, for example, (which I don't) that Bush won Florida in 2000, he would be entitled to president even though he lost the popular vote to Gore.
It's fine to change rules Senator Bayh, but not in the middle of the game.
April 24, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
At least the Clinton people are consistent.... consistently doing and saying anything they possibly can to prolong this agony.
April 24, 2008 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually the Clinton's are inconsistent when they complain about caucuses. Do you remember any complaining about caucuses when Bill was running? Of course not -- he was winning them.
April 24, 2008 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
He means "Why should they get crosswise with Bill if they really don't need to?"
April 24, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to say it but this may not be that bad of a move. Almost any Democratic congressional seat in Indiana is highly contested and almost always close. Bayh may be providing cover for these candidates so they do not have to alienate even a small segment of their base by supporting either presidential candidate. They wil eventually commit, but I'm not sure the benefit would outweigh the cost at this time. Still, it is embarassing to watch your Senator dumpster-dive for a VP nomination from a failed candidacy.
April 24, 2008 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bad boy Bayh! You're going off message!
3/27/08
"Sen. Clinton has been vocal in stating that superdelegates should exercise independent judgment about who'd be the best for the party and the country," said spokesman Phil Singer.
2/17/08
"Superdelegates are a part of the process. They are supposed to exercise independent judgment," said Clinton.
That's the Clinton line. She repeated it today on the Today Show: "Because after all, they have to exercise independent judgment as to who they think is a better candidate to win."
April 24, 2008 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
He just didn't get the memo, Phoebe. Boy, the Clinton campaign becomes more unglued every day - supporters going off message all over the place. I'm going to predict that veiled threats are not going to go over very well in Indiana. If I were a state House member I would declare immediately as a big f*ck you to the distinguished ex-Senator. Let's have another en masse endorsement like NC!
By the way, Eric, your link doesn't work - please fix.
April 24, 2008 8:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
So here are some comments...
So it is OK for him to endorse, and to endorse HRC, but the other SDs from Indiana are not allow to endorse because they might endorse Senator Obama...
And it seems to me that this tactic is called blackmail or intimidation...
So let's hope they will step out and endorse soon...
April 24, 2008 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
BAYNE GOES BALLISTIC TO HILLARY !
You dog you! How could they spin this any other way?
Sincerely
Larry Johnson, No Quarter
p.s. is Bill jealous yet?
April 24, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow this is really bold strategy. I can endores but you guys you don't really need to endorse. Just be quiet.
April 24, 2008 2:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary didn't seem to mind endorsements for her in 2007 -- before *anyone* started voting.
April 24, 2008 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the same logic that allows for Hillary to go around in speech after speech after speech and decry speeches as "just words".
April 24, 2008 2:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Goddamn the Clinton campaign. Is there no honor among any of them?
"Oh keep it going! We're having such fun, why stop now?"
Disgusting.
April 24, 2008 3:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
The answer seems to be, no.
April 24, 2008 3:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bayh might ask those same down ticket folks who's organization they'd rather have behind them...the disorganized, unfinanced Clintons or the amazing machine Obama has built.
Good grief, he just came within 10 points of the institutional candidate backed by ALL the institutional support of the states, counties, and cities in the MOST politically institutional state in the nation.
I know who I'd want at the top of my ticket.
April 24, 2008 3:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, but if only that side of the story were even uttered above a whisper in the MSM, G Davis.
April 24, 2008 3:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
The sick thing they've noticed it, but don't bring it up.
April 24, 2008 4:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
A. Clinton probably does do better in a lot of key swing states. Maybe Obama inspires Democrats in solidly red states like Idaho and in places like Vermont, but it seems blazingly clear Clinton plays better in FL, OH and PA. It's legitimate for super-delegates to consider this.
B. Obama really has never accomplished much of anything on his own. Without affirmative action, it's a near certainty he'd never have made it to HLS, and unlike his classmates, he qualified automatically for the HLR, and his career as a community organizer fails to impress much, and he was a lawp prof for a while but without having to demonstrate any scholarly ability at all, even if he was a "popular" teacher. OK, and a few years in the IL statehouse and a couple of years in the Senate. Man, it's a thin resume, with no demonstrated ability under real-life conditions.
C. Obama has a fruitcake "spiritual mentor" who wears a clown costume and who says crazy ignorant shit. That ought to give you pause to think.
April 24, 2008 5:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
*Pause*
Well, it seems like you were heading in the right direction with ur argument AGAINST Barack.Ur right, compared to Clinton, his political resume is not that long but unlike you,I believe it is more cleaner and resonates more with voters than Clinton's and does not come with the heavy baggage that seems to have dogged Hillary thoughout her political life.Having said that, we all have a duty to vote for the candidate who best represents not only our aspirations but one whom the great american nation NEED, especially after the disastrous GW period characterised by such monumental failures as the rise is anti-american sentiments worldwide,terrible war in Iraq,Housing meltdown, disastrous foreign policy, declining economy, the changing global playfield to name but a few.I will not insult u but suggesting which candidate best fits this bill...Its for all of us to put the right candidate in the WH.
April 24, 2008 6:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mila: The Short Version...
A. Hillary's white.
B. Barack's a Negro
C. ... & an uppity one, at that.
April 24, 2008 7:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. You're just a bundle of joy, eh, you must kill at all the parties. I'm quite sure the University of Chicago has a requirement for scholarly ability, though.
April 24, 2008 7:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
The third(?) incarnation of the troll, Milo. Going gay, Mila?
April 24, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bayh can say whatever he wants. The Clintons can say whatever they want. The fact is, Pennsylvania was Hillary's Last Stand and she blew it. She needed to win by 25 points there in order to have any chance of turning this race around. Instead she got less than 10. Now she's back to her "let's count Florida and Michigan" garbage. Please, Hillary--I'll talk. Just make it stop.
April 24, 2008 6:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey guys Sen Evan is simply playing politics to help his candidate win. That's all. Clinton supporters will agree with him while Obama supporters will say otherwise. For an independent like me, I will say .... who cares!
April 24, 2008 7:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
So Bayh gets to endorse, while advocating that other Indiana politicians shouldn't ? What BS...
I am sure he is an OK guy but that constant smirk on his face has always been a source of irritation for me.
April 24, 2008 7:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like Bayh, but they should have gotten someone who hasn't already endorsed a candidate from the same state he's asking other SDs not to make an endorsement to make this request. It's sloppy politics.
April 24, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
actually, that's my point, U Chicago does NOT have a scholarship requirement for affirmative action babies. Kind of sad, that for AA babies the bar has to be set so ridiculously low.
To my knowledge there is no one serious AA legal scholar.
April 24, 2008 7:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is our old friend Milo Buggeroff with a new nym. Go away, would you? Racist slime.
April 24, 2008 7:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe I'm even engaging on this, but I'm curious.
Link? Both to the affirmative action charge and the scholar charge.
On a brighter note, at least we're getting a glimpse of what the Republicans are planning to use in the Fall against Obama.
April 24, 2008 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not "go away", it's "bugger off".
April 24, 2008 8:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Golly . . . Does the noted absence of gotalife in this thread mean that Her Royale Crownship stopped pay his invoices?
April 24, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am calling on Senator Bayh to part his hair in such a way that it looks less like it is parted in the middle. It's dangerously close to a center part.
April 24, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
The underlying factor against Obama in some of states is an anti-black vote among white working class voters. Clinton has used incredibly reactionary tactics to encourage this reaction. At this point, were Clinton and the super-delegatesable to steal the primary from Obama, black turn-out for the general would be depressed by a third, the anger would be so great. Try winning a general with those numbers. Moreover, the democratic party would be damaged for decades.
The "electability issue" in blue collar states is a code for anti-black sentiment. This article puts the lie to it.
Whatever Obama loses as a black candidate, he gains in Independents and new young voters. It's high time for responsible dems to see the the race now as one of principle, not hidden race-baiting.
A Clinton "steal" also opens the door for Nader to gather up dem votes on the left. We've seen that before.
April 24, 2008 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bayh = bully.
April 24, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
anyone in law knows the obvious, AA applicants are less qualified overall, and it's also common knowledge that most law reviews have "special" procedures for admitting AA students, as opposed to getting on by grades, and certainly anyone (besides AA) offered a tenure track job at UC should be a published scholar.
April 24, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
So in other words, you're assuming he's not qualified based on your own fevered racism.
It eats you up inside that a black man is more intelligent, articulate, and successful in life than you, doesn't it, loser?
April 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
First, you never demonstrated Obama was in fact admitted anywhere based on anything but merit. So your argument is moot.
Every one of your assumptions is wrong in one way or another.
This article proves your assumptions wrong making your argument demonstrably false:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/828985
oops!
And he wasn't a tenure track professor, or we would call him DR. Barack Obama, thanks for giving me a good laugh though.
See how that works, though. I base my conclusions upon peer-reviewed evidence. You should try it.
April 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight - a guy who endorsed early is telling people not to endorse early? Would you like some fries with your hypocrisy?
April 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. He endorses, but now implores others not to endorse? What gall. And I bet he's only imploring those who are considered Obama-leaning, or knows the majority would come out towards Barack.
Why is he "getting crosswise" with some of his friends? I think this is more of a veiled threat than anything else and he should be called on it.
April 24, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
oh I am quite sure I am intellectually superior to Obama or Clinton or McCain, ro any of you silly dumb bunnies : )
April 24, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know, you haven't figured out how to respond to individual posts yet. That's a strike against your contention I'm afraid.
April 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting point: I have heard that there will be serious retributions taken upon the Clinton camp by Party members if this thing really goes south.
One out is to have Clinton placed in political jail as the VP. This is a forced marriage of European and Near East historical proportions, yet in the US we have seen successful marriages with Clinton-Gore, Reagan-Bush, JFK-LBJ, McKinley-TR. The thing is with these forced marriages is that three of resulted in assassination attempts, two were successful, three resulted in the VP being president and the 4th was elected by popular vote that the Supreme Court overturned.
If HRC turns down the marriage, and regardless of the outcome for the WH in November they have burned their party power position, will that fall out also effect Harry Reid, Bayh, & Murtha.
April 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even Pelosi, who has to be very careful in this thing, has come out and said outright that's a bad idea.
Bill is the wildcard here. It's bad enough to contemplate what he'd do if HRC were Prez, but to think of how he could undermine ANY administration with his *outside* activities as the COMPLETELY unaccountable spouse of a VP is unfathomable.
It ain't gonna happen.
April 24, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dearest Mila,
I'm very sorry but you merely display your own ignorance and invidious nature with your comments regarding; scholarship; the law; the University of Chicago; affirmative action; a supposed dearth of legal scholars of African-American descent; law review publications. You are factually without foundation on all the stated points.
But... you knew that when you wrote in. Your writing is hateful and without any intellectual merit. You parade your malevolent nature with every additional statement. You are actually proud of your sad deficiencies.
I pity you, you have to live and ultimately die caged in that repulsive consciousness which you have so thoroughly fouled with slovenly thinking and fear soaked ideology.
April 24, 2008 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bayh acts out of craven self interest.
April 24, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink