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Gallup: Obama's Lead Shrinks Post-Pennsylvania -- But He's Still Ahead

Today's Gallup tracking poll shows that Barack Obama is still ahead of Hillary Clinton nationwide in the wake of his defeat in Pennsylvania, but there has also been a slight narrowing of the race.

The numbers, compared to yesterday:

Obama 49% (-1)
Clinton 44% (+2)

From the pollster's analysis: "Notably, he outpolled Clinton slightly in Wednesday night interviewing, the first night of post-Pennsylvania primary data collection. The full impact of the Pennsylvania results will be apparent in the coming days, though the initial indications are that it has helped Clinton, so far her win has not dramatically altered the dynamics of the race at the national level."


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People are catching on to Oilbama's Lies.
Sen. Barack Obama continued accepting donations from oil company executives and employees last month even as he aired ads in which he stated he took no oil company money, his campaign finance reports show.

OH the horror!!!! Gas station attendants gave to Obama!!!!

Key word there dembicile: "employees".

And Eric, I can't wait till this is over. Not sure how you're gonna spin a clear loss then. Hang onto national polls after the fact?


Obama's lies? Last night Hillary said she didn't know about Bill pardoning the two members of the Weather Underground. That's just a plain lie.

Greg, Eric - front page post on Hillary's lie? Or is actual journalism too hard?

I'm sorry, that was probably too harsh. Continue on with posting links to Gallup's home page!

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Or, they could report that John McCain can't "impose his will" on the North Carolina Republicans...

Can anyone enlighten me about the money Obama has taken from oil companies? My question is this: are Obama's "oil company" donors simply the employees of an oil company donating to his campaign in small amounts, or is it big executives bundling donations in the 10,000's of dollars? I would find the latter case a bit disturbing, I admit.

I did run some numbers from the FEC which says that Obama has raised some $234.7M. The amount the LA Times says comes from oil companies is $263K. This equates to .11% of his campaign donations. It hardly seems like oil companies are buying undue influence here. But given his stance on oil companies, I'd like to think he's not taking big money from execs trying to buy influence.

Good grief, Eric. The RCP average in the tracking polls show him 10.1 points ahead of Senator Clinton.

Funny that you asked about Nostradamus...

In the eleventh month of the last year of the reign of the chimp, a brilliant star of hope, he will bring a new era of peace and prosperity to the new land. The people, tired of the old ways, lift up their heads again and the light of the new land of liberty will shine like never before.

Before that glorious day, the man of the world will lead the Matron of Triangulation in a battle most foul. He shall withstand charges most scurilous until ultimately defeating her with the will of the people, both ordinary and super. They will see through her lies, believing not that she was a warrior-borne nor a leader true.

-Nostradamus

Ha! Good one - thanks for the laugh.

Just one minor addition: Matron of Triangulation, a.k.a., The Obliterator

I expect a small shrink in his lead in the next few days.

But patterns have shown that any progress Senator Clinton makes is quickly lost in a matter of days.

This too will pass.

I think the truth is that, nationally, Obama is polling 10% better than Clinton on a regular basis. I think that's the reality.
I also read a fantastic article today that discussed how different things would be if certain states (such as California) had voted later than Super Tuesday. The concensus was that Obama would likely have won California and other states.

That seems to fit well with current polling that shows Barack Obama performing better than Hillary Clinton against John McCain in most traditionally Democratic strongholds.

I also read a fantastic article today that discussed how different things would be if certain states (such as California) had voted later than Super Tuesday. The concensus was that Obama would likely have won California and other states.

While I can appreciate why this sentiment appeals to you as an Obama supporter, as a Clinton supporter I would argue that there are a myriad of states that I think would have had different outcomes if the media had shown equal scrutiny to Obama and Clinton pre-super tues.

Cuts both ways. Voting now, Missouri would go Clinton. California would go Obama. New York would be a lot closer. And on and on. New Hampshire would be an Obama lock.

But this is a silly game to play. We can't go back in time.

I hear that Billy Glad can.

Really? That's amazing. Is his time machine made out of garbage cans and twine?

I'm still trying to figure out how the Clinton campaign can read these figures and keep saying she's more electable. If she's more electable why hasn't she won the primary, let alone consistently poll ahead of Obama? And their calls for Obama either to drop out of the race or accept the VP slot also baffle me; would they want their candidate to do either if the numbers were reversed?

and yet she still has no chance of actually winning!


as noted on Crooks and Liars, this election Senator Obama will be going up against McCain and the MSM -like Gore did.

This election is the Democrats to lose, and they are doing everything needed to lose it.

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Check this out, from PoliticalInsider:

A Political Wire reader runs the math and notes that before the Pennsylvania, Sen. Hillary Clinton needed to get at least 63% of the vote in the remaining states to have a chance to win more delegates than Sen. Barack Obama.

Clinton now needs 296 of the remaining 435 delegates up for grabs (or approximately 68% of the vote.) In contrast, Obama needs 140 of the remaining 435 to have the majority (or about 32% of the vote.)

Therefore, despite her win in the Keystone State, the results have in fact made it less likely Clinton can win.

Considering that most polls predict Obama should win North Carolina by a healthy margin and both campaigns think Indiana will be close, the chances of a Clinton victory are actually lower than ever.

The tide is turning, and Clinton is being swept out to sea.

Why can't Hillary reach black voters?

That would destroy her in the G.E.

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Good question. I heard somewhere that her husband was the first black president.

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Not any more...

Per Eric back in January:

Barack Obama is picking up the endorsement of author Toni Morrison, who won the Nobel Prize in literature for her writings on African-American life.

The endorsement is special due to some famous words that Morrison wrote about Bill Clinton in 1998: "White skin notwithstanding, this is our first black president. Blacker than any actual person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime."

And there's always the incomparable Dick Gregory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAcN5iKArQU

I LOVE that video!

This is the question no wants to ask, and Clinton supporters don't want to answer. Hillary backers and the media seems to be under the impression that black people are a monolithic group who will happily line up and say "Yes'um Missus Clinton!" when the time comes (and should it come, I'm sure Bill will be there passing out watermelon, and pretending to be shocked when someone finds it offensive.) Obama, on the other hand, has a VERY SERIOUS(TM) problem with working class white people, despite performing better among that group than Hillary has among African Americans.

Still, people like Eric Boehlert and Joan Walsh continue to make the boo-boo face and pretend that Hillary has it sooooo much harder, because sometimes people on the TV say things that are less than glowing about her campaign. I mean, hey, we all know racism died out when we started letting black people drink use our water fountains.

For that matter, TPM hasn't been stellar on this issue, either. But at least Josh noted Chris Matthews ridiculous assertion that this election is "African Americans" and "white liberals" vs. "regular people". Matthews has been implying that black people aren't "regular people" for months.

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I agree, Kenny. If by some remote chance Hillary secures the nomination I think we will see a HUGE depressed voter turnout - not only African Americans but all of the wonderful, energized young people that Obama has fired up. Hillary and her supporters are going to be in for a rude awakening this November, and I would hate to be sitting there telling them "I told you so". It is almost too depressing to contemplate, but I fear that's what will happen. Between the anger that African Americans feel right now towards Senator Clinton for the dog whistles and the perception that she will have stolen the nomination, I don't feel good about the prospects in November if Hillary is our nominee.

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And I will say one more thing - Obama is gaining support from her key demographic - older white women - while she is hemorrhaging support with African Americans. Why is nobody talking about this? He is able to gain ground with her key supporters and she is not. I don't have a breakdown by age but in Ohio Obama picked up 34% of white women - in Pennsylvania he picked up 36%. Same with white males. Same with almost every demographic - he is gaining ground, she's losing ground.

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Well, d'oh.

Clinton will get a little boost from the election, just like she got a little boost from the clusterfuck jokingly referred to as a debate last week. And then Obama will bounce right on back up. Like he's done every time there's some kerfuffle. Every. Single. Time.

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Answer to 'dembillc' and pre-emptive strike on the inevitable 'gotalife' post, quoted from www.balloonjuice,com: "If Barack is such a bad candidate, and he is so unelectable, and it is such a bad idea to have him as the Democratic nominee, why can’t Hillary beat him?

"Why is she behind him in every conceivable metric? Why is she behind in pledged delegates? Why is she behind in the popular vote (and don’t insult my intelligence by trying to pass that sheer nonsense the morons at certain pro-Clinton blogs are lapping up)? Why are super delegates flocking to Obama, while Hillary has picked up only a handful in the past few months. Why has she won fewer states? Why is she trumpeting her narrow delegate pickup in PA, when it is less than the number of net delegates Obama picked up in a variety of other states? Why is she behind in fund raising? Why was she unable to turn her double digit lead a year ago into any actual primary wins?

"Why, with her starting financial advantage and name recognition, was she held to a tie on Super Tuesday?

"Why to those questions and a hundred more like them. If your candidate is so much better, why is Obama kicking her ass?

"Why?"

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Yeah, DailyKos has that excerpt front page right now.

Easy, you and his media drank the kool aid.


The supers already know or they would seal the deal.

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Repeat after me: Clinton needs 68% of all the remaining votes to surpass Obama.

Not.Going.To.Happen.

Touche! Another good one, Gotalife. I've got to hand it to you, you always stay in character.

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Hey, 'got' -- did you miss this part: "Why are super delegates flocking to Obama, while Hillary has picked up only a handful in the past few months?"

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

Texas oil executive Robert L. Cavnar of Milagro Exploration and his wife, Gracie, helped the Illinois Democrat raise at least another $50,000 by helping host a fundraiser. Sinclair Oil President Ross Matthews of Texas and John B. Hess, chairman of Hess Corp., a New York-based oil producer and retailer with operations worldwide. Hess, who has given to other presidential candidates, including Sen. John McCain, gave $2,300 to Obama last year, as did his wife, Susan. Hess gave $14,000 to Obama's Senate run in 2003. Of course you can expect these donations when you are Oilbama and vote for Dick Cheney's Oil bill and help Big Oil rape the Ameican taxpayer.
Thanks Oilbama. Lie some more.

Personally, my favorite portion of that article was this regarding Obama's PA ad about not taking oil money:

Clinton countered Obama's ad with one detailing his oil company-related donations from employees and executives of Exxon and other major petroleum companies. Factcheck.org, part of the Annenberg School of Communications at the University of Pennsylvania, also chastised Obama for airing the spot.

"From our perspective, if there is a distinction between oil company PACs and lobbyists, and their executives, it is a mighty fine line," said Sheila Krumholz, director of the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign donations. "They all represent the same interest -- oil."


Remember:

"Misrepresenting your position and carefully parsing your words when you don't think you'll get caught are the hallmarks of the kind of politics that Barack Obama is running to change."

Thanks Obama for destroying our economy using unity with the gop.

"Using unity with the gop." Classic.

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Cavner! That's the name I was trying to remember in that other response I gave you. Yes, Robert and Gracie Cavner hosted the event. They're big supporters of the Democratic party and big players on the Houston social/political/philanthropic scene.

Just Google Bob and Gracie Cavner, and you come up with a ton of events and charities associated with their names.

Yes, "oil company executive" sounds so ominous. "Long-time Democratic supporter and philanthropist" doesn't have near the punch.

Not very long ago, TPM pointed out that there was a consistent pattern of Senator Obama's Gallup
margin shrinking during mid weeks. Remember whent they made a big point out of that, guys?

So, why this week, when it holds to pattern, is
TPM going out of it's way to pretend that something
new has just happened. They are the ones who told us that it happens every week.

For the record: Obama is at 49%. Hillary would kill to have that number at this stage of the contest.

In fact Hillary would be willing to promise to
"Obliterate" for to reach 49%. It will never happen
because Sixty percent of the nation say they do not trust her. Hillary can never win support from all those people who do not trust her.

AH! Thank you for reminding me of this. Now this makes Eric look rather silly.

As the misleading Oilbama ad aired claiming he took no money from Big Oil, Obama took $12,400 from oil company executives in increments of $1,000 or more. Altogether $46,000 in March.


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Clinton needs to win 68% of the remaining votes to win.

So long, farewell, we've got some lovely parting gifts for you....

You, are an idiot! You need 2025. Aint. Gonna. Happen. We don't elect pledged delegate "leaders".

Precious shouldn't have blocked the revotes:

If you punched your ballot for "uncommitted" in Michigan's Jan. 15 Democratic presidential primary to back Barack Obama, your vote might have essentially gone to Hillary Clinton anyway.

While all eyes were locked on Pennsylvania for the last six weeks, Clinton was quietly amassing delegates in the Wolverine State. And she was rewarded this past weekend with a significant victory at the district conventions.

This development naturally has been overshadowed by her big win Tuesday night in Pennsylvania. But the race for the Democratic nomination wasn't decided then and won't be by the remaining contests -- not North Carolina, Indiana or even Guam -- because the real fight is over delegates. And Michigan remains a key battleground.


On Aug. 25, Clinton will march into the national convention in Denver stronger than most people realize, thanks to her aggressive ground game in Michigan.

Doh!!

Link here

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Whoops. I should have said Clinton needs 68% of the remaining votes to overtake Obama's pledged delegate lead. She's actually in worse shape now than she was before the "historic" "fabulous" "blowout" win that wasn't in PA.

And you're abolutely right: Clinton isn't going to get those votes.

Thanks for the correction.

You keep posting this CT Voter. Why do you act ignorant of the fact that Clinton doesn't need nearly that percentage to overcome Obama in the popular vote tally. In fact, she has technically received more votes than him so far though I know that is a controversial count.

I know you're more informed than this. Both Obama and Clinton will rely on superdelegates to hand them the nomination. It looks like they will both have a valid claim to it.

Here's to the best interest of our party. Clinton/Obama 08. Obama/? 16. 16 years of competent Democratic rule!

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"controversial" count? That's a pretty amusing description of it. For Clinton and her campaign to keep pushing it just does her more harm, in my opinion. She "technically" receive more votes than him only if you jerry-rig the counting. What kind of support do you think she'll have if she succeeds with this?

The Republican argument will be "Hillary is the nominee because she cheated". "Clinton cheats. That's the only way she could get the nomination".

Fabulous. And really unifying.

And my point about posting the analysis that Clinton now faces an even larger hurdle is to counter the Clintonistas arguments. Do you have a problem with that?

Nowhere do I say that Obama can win outright. Nowhere.

The Republican argument will be "Hillary is the nominee because she cheated". "Clinton cheats. That's the only way she could get the nomination".

That would be a fundamental misunderstanding of how the Democratic nomination works. As such, it would be very easy to counter.

Both Obama and Clinton now have to rely on superdelegates to hand them the nomination. Period. No cheating involved.

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You're funny. Seriously. "That would be a fundamental misunderstanding of how the Democratic nomination works". As if that's going to matter to Republicans or the media.

And secondly, that that statement comes from a supporter of a campaign that is busily trying to change the agreed upon nomination process (include Florida, Michigan, even though Clinton agreed that they didn't count)is just irony.

Has anyone read the rules of the DNC? Nowhere does it say that the winner of the popular vote gets the nomination. This is a DELEGATE race.

The popular vote count isn't a metric --- it leaves out 12 states!!! You cry and moan about Michigan and Florida being left out when it suits your candidates numbers, but have no problem ignoring the votes of 24% of the states in the United States when clinging to the only metric your candidate has to even stay in the race.

I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

Actually, Real Clear Politics has a count that "projects" those votes into it. If you include all states and all projected votes, she is ahead.

Right. Like I said:

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA

Obama 15,327,917 47.5%
Clinton 15,340,166 47.5%
Clinton +12,249 +0.04%

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Wow - are you saying that in 8 year somehow, magically, Obama will be an acceptable candidate for you? What are you going to do, become suddenly enlightened? All of his "baggage", all of his "questions of electability", all of his "ties to controversial figures" - those are all suddenly going to disappear? Amazing.

Carol,

First of all, I never said Obama wasn't an acceptable candidate. I have always argued that Clinton is a better candidate.

Second, those issues you bring up are signs of his weakness in comparison to Clinton.

Third, you know just as I do that it's naive to think that after 8 years of Obama as VP, people won't be more comfortable with him. He will have experience. Those controversial ties will be a distant memory, like cattle futures and whitewater for Clinton. Time heals all wounds.

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Mark, why can't Hillary win the black vote?

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Mark?

Awesome! 44 beats 49 in bizarro Clinton world!

A Political Wire reader runs the math and notes that before the Pennsylvania, Sen. Hillary Clinton needed to get at least 63% of the vote in the remaining states to have a chance to win more delegates than Sen. Barack Obama.

Clinton now needs 296 of the remaining 435 delegates up for grabs (or approximately 68% of the vote.) In contrast, Obama needs 140 of the remaining 435 to have the majority (or about 32% of the vote.)

Therefore, despite her win in the Keystone State, the results have in fact made it less likely Clinton can win.

Considering that most polls predict Obama should win North Carolina by a healthy margin and both campaigns think Indiana will be close, the chances of a Clinton victory are actually lower than ever.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/2008/04/pennsylvania-win-makes-clinton.html

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Hey,
Obama is taking money from big Pharma too.

I just gave him $25 - $300 in all this year - and I'm a sales rep for a top 20 pharma company. And Barry (us big pharma fatcats call him Barry) promised me a night in the Lincoln bedroom in return.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah - another hour, another poll. As Hoost said, only in Clintonworld is 49 Obama to 44 Clinton a victory - for Clinton.

I'm still waiting for a Greg/Eric post about Obama's superdelegate pickup today. But because I'll be waiting a hell of a long time, I'll repeat what was posted on reader blogs and other threads: he picked up Oregon Rep. David Wu, one of Oregon's 12 Democratic superdelegates.

So that's her big post-PA bounce?

Strange how the sound of a "tide turning" so closely resembles that of a toilet flushing.


"Strange how the sound of a "tide turning" so closely resembles that of a toilet flushing." . . . Leroy, that's precious -- I love it.

Remember when Gallup used to be THE respected polling organization. After the gaffe last week when they had the race tied and Lanny Davis jumped up and down and got all excited for her . . . and a day later the polls returned to normal and showed her down ten again.

Let's do the math:
1. Elected delegates: Chuck Todd of MSNBC ran the numbers and she cannot catch up.

2. Superdelegates: After all the primaries -- which have been eerily predictable since Wisconsin based on demographics (e.g., PA was identical to Ohio), Obama will be about 85 votes short of the nomination without any superdelegate movement. She'll need to win about 70% of the remaining 290 or so superdelegates to stop him from clinching. She's been losing three out of four recently. I suspect that the numbers will trickle in at about that ratio until after May 6th, at which point more and more will come in for him as the impossibility of her catching up becomes obvious.

Clintonian spin:

The joke that keeps on giving.

Hillary's now within 5 points!
Quick, call Lanny Davis to give us another HuffPo canard! Faux Noise needs a story!

What is this silliness about who's leading in "the popular vote"? That figure could not be more meaningless. Even if you are able to count all caucus votes -- which, coincidentally enough largely went for Obama -- those states' voters' choices aren't reflected commensurately in the popular vote.

For example, Washington has a larger population than Tennessee and has more delegates -- 97 vs. 85 -- and presumably thus should carry more weight in any mythical "popular vote" contest. And, Obama had three times the margin of victory in Washington (68-31 vs. 54-41) than Clinton had in Tennessee. But, because Washington chose to operate by caucus and Tennessee by primary, Clinton's 82,000 vote margin in such a "contest" carries seven times the weight of his 11,600 vote margin in Washington. Minnesota similarly carries only a fourth of the weight of the Missouri vote. And how do you account for the fact that states with open primaries had more voters, thus giving them extra weight? (For example, abouy a million Texas voters would have been ineligible if it were a closed primary.) This makes absolutely no sense, without even getting into the issue of counting the Florida and Michigan "votes".

The raw numbers:
Tennessee 85 total delegates
Clinton 332,599 = 54%
Obama 250,750 = 41%

Washington 97 total delegates
Obama 21,629 = 68%
Clinton 9,992 = 31%

So what we're left with is -- oh, that's an interesting bit of trivia, and nothing more. Gee, who won the vote among lefthanders? Allergy sufferers?

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The point of course is that while Washington State may have a larger population than TN (e.g.) and hence more delegates, those delegates were awarded on the basis of a much smaller number of group of participants Washington's case, and one that may or may not be representative of the preferences of that larger population. That's obviously a concern looking forward to election day, when there are no caucuses, only straight-ahead elections. And it's a concern that would seem to be borne out by the results of the Texas primaries vs. the Texas caucuses, in the only place I know of where caucus results can be directly compared to the results of an actual election.

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This popular vote nonsense reminds me of "Bush won more COUNTIES" back in the good ol' Bush v. Gore days following the 2000 elections.

Well, that's nice, but COUNTIES don't vote; a COUNTY with a couple of people per square mile doesn't mean diddly squat, because sheep and fence posts don't vote, either.

Just as in Democratic primaries, we don't decide on the basis of popular vote.

But congratulations to Team Hillary for once again proving they can match the Republicans on dishonest spin.

NC has early voting, and Obama just got 2 more votes (took a co-worker with me). Both of us are very mild-mannered by nature, but both talked about how more enraged we become every day by the crap that Hillary and especially Bill spew from their pieholes.

I don't understand how voters are so fickle, it is quite annoying. How could your mind not be made up after nearly a year and a half of this shit?

Hillary Clinton has less than 30% of Popular Vote!

Less than 3 in 10 voters in this election have voted for Hillary - therefore she must be unelectable.

Hillary has received 14,140,871 votes out of 48,012,892 (29,959,472 [D] + 18,053,420 [R]) votes cast. (RCP)

Just saying.

Ever notice how few delegates Clinton gets out of the states she wins? That's because she wins in the precincts that have a weak Democratic voting history. Obama wins big in the precincts with committed Democratic voters. These are voters who have reliably voted Democratic in past elections so they are awarded more delegates. And who is that base that is the most reliable Democratic voters: African-Americans. They are the strongest, most reliable base in the Democratic party. And that's why the superdelegates cannot throw the election to Obama. Not only for the presidential election, but for state and local election--they cannot afford to lose their strongest base. The African-Americans have voted for Democrats for generations, and when they put a viable candidate forward he is smeared by another Democrat as a black radical elitist (which translate "uppity black" in their language). Hell yes they are angry at Clinton, and she's not going to make nice and think they will vote for her. And without their votes, no Democrat wins. By the way, the weakest base is the hispanic vote because historically they don't turn out to vote.

correction: steal the election from Obama

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