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Gallup: Obama Leads Clinton By Two Points

Today's Gallup tracking poll has Barack Obama grabbing a two-point lead over Hillary Clinton -- not statistically significant, but a reversal of Clinton's one-point lead from yesterday:

Obama 47% (+2)
Clinton 45% (-1)

Obama led by 11 points less than a week ago, an indication that the last few days such as the ABC debate might have taken a toll on him for now.


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It's all about Pennsylvania now anyway. Clinton is praying that these impossibly unaware "undecideds" break heavily for her. A close loss by Obama is the same as a win, no matter how the media tries to spin it.

Hillary falls further behind in the delegate count.

Slate now has the count at Obama 1701 to Hillary's 1537.

Desperate Hillary's sees her dream to be Queen slip sliding away. It won't be long till it's crying time again for Madam Tuzla Mistakes.

http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/


Slate's Delegate CalculatorWith revotes unlikely in Michigan and Florida, Hillary Clinton's hope is fading.
By Chadwick Matlin and Chris Wilson
Updated Sunday, April 20, 2008, at 7:20 AM ET
Illustration by Mark Alan Stamaty. Click image to expand.

Since the last time we talked in this corner of the Internet, Mississippi and Texas have refined their delegate allocations—and Barack Obama has widened his delegate advantage by six. First off, Mississippi added a delegate to Obama's tally and took one away from Hillary Clinton after party officials realized they'd miscalculated the original delegate distribution. In Texas, meanwhile, the caucus results were finally certified, giving Obama a five-delegate margin overall when the caucus- and primary-delegate allocations were combined—a gain of two from our previous estimates.

Um, let me guess... This is great news! For Hillary!!! Right?!

Ultimately, Pennsylvania will vote the way Pennsylvania is prone to vote, which leans somewhat to Hillary, as it is her core demographic...

That said, if you want to see any state actually cause meaningful movement in superdelegates soon, look to North Carolina, where Obama *should* be able to win by nearly 20%. The difference between a 6% win where local county delegates are split evenly vs. a 20% win, where there are lots of 3/2 or 3/1 delegate allocations makes for huge differences in the final result.

My guess is that it wasn't just Obama's poor performance when the questions finally got tough. I think all the subsequent whining about the tough questions hurt him at least as much. And of course the realization that the campaign ahead is only going to get tougher.

Obviously you did not listen to what Senator Obama said. He *never* complained about tough questions, sport. He complained about the content which had nothing to do with the issues that matter: Iraq, health care and the economy.

Stop your disgusting lies. Who ever taught you or made you think that lying was okay ought to be ashamed. As should you.

Man, that one day lead of hers was pretty tasty though, huh?

Obama did just fine, even though he was on the defensive.

What we *haven't* seen is Hillary effectively nail Obama with any memorable debate gotcha. No "where's the beef" moment. No "You're no Jack Kennedy", etc.

She can't do that, because in order to do such things, you *HAVE* to have some sort of gravitas and aura of respect and trust.

As such, Obama won by losing, and managed to effectively take the worst that could be thrown at him and dust it off.

While the ugly -- and newly raised attacks -- probably led to Obama losing a few points nationally for a day or so, clearly, he seems to be on the rise, and the poll actually seems to indicate that whole issue being raised by Clinton supporters of Obama's response to the debate is a non-issue to most Americans, who viewed his response in a fairly positive light, really.

When he says "let's focus on the issues that really matter to Americans", he wins.

Otto, the Short Bus Troll, often starts his comments with" my guess".

No need to read on after he says that, unless you are fascinated by the guess work of A Short Bus Troll.

I don't even care about the National polling between Hillary and Obama, Hillary is not going to get the nomination.

I do care about PA. Hillary got that near double digit advantage there that I hope Obama can break into Hillary's big lead.

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
!!!HILLMENTUM™!!!!

Further proof that things are going very much according to Obama's plan for victory...

Remember the Obama campaign's projections:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Obamas_projections.html

They predicted losing PA by 5% back in early February... and winning Guam by 11%, Indiana by 7%, and North Carolina by 8%.

Basically, these states all have their own likely demographic tilt to them which is very hard and expensive to reverse... but at the same time, each state tends to have a palpable sense of inevitability if one campaign is clearly outperforming the other.

Hillary has the institutional advantage in Pennsylvania, thanks to their governor, but Obama's ads are preventing the Clinton campaign from leveraging that potential groundswell into a landslide, based on an argument for localized inevitability.

Everyone likes voting for a winner... and if she can't get a landslide in Pennsylvania, it is because she can't convincingly make that argument.

Meanwhile, the polls in states like North Carolina suggest that Obama *IS* going to convincingly make an argument for inevitability in that state, which should lead to very significant delegate gains, probably greater than any gains Hillary might make in PA. Likewise, Guam should be an easy win for him, probably exceeding predictions based in part on Obama's VERY strong performance in Hawaii, where he surpassed their campaign's predictions by about 30 points.

Indiana looks closer, but Obama has plenty of money to pretty much guarantee a narrow win or better at this point, simply by using his campaign's funds to capitalize on slightly more favorable demographics and the fact that Indiana is a "neighbor state" to Illinois.

So, while money doesn't win races, it *DOES* do a pretty good job of preventing you from being blown away.

Hey, I think I know you from LJ! Back to the topic at hand, I think that by spending so much time and money in PA, he will be draining HRC's reserves and resources. Then, when it's time to fight in some of the other battleground states, she won't have as much to work with.

From AP:

Undecided superdelegates don't feel bound by primaries

Apr 20, 3:15 PM (ET)

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER


WASHINGTON (AP) - Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple - they just want a winner in November.

Problem is, after nearly four months of primaries and caucuses in 46 states, territories and the District of Columbia, they still aren't sure who that is, don't seem be in any hurry to make up their minds and aren't interested in any artificial process that might force them to choose between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Most of the more than 100 undecided superdelegates who discussed their decision-making with The Associated Press in the past two weeks agreed that the primaries and caucuses do matter - whether it's who has the most national delegates or the candidate who won their state or congressional district. But few said the primaries will be the biggest factor in their decision.

"I think it's really important that we keep our eye on the prize, and the prize is the win in November," said Gail Rasmussen, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.

That's good news for Clinton, who cannot catch Obama in delegates won in the few remaining primaries and caucuses.

Obama has been arguing for months that the superdelegates would be overturning the will of the voters if they don't nominate the candidate who has won the most pledged delegates. He has a 164-delegate lead in that category. Clinton, meanwhile, has argued that superdelegates should exercise independent judgment.

Many of the undecided superdelegates say they don't want to be perceived as elite insiders, cutting backroom deals to select a nominee. But that doesn't mean they're ready to forfeit their status.

"The way the system is set up, the superdelegates are able to weigh in because we are the most experienced people in the party," said Blake Johnson, an undecided superdelegate from Alaska. "We are the ones who have been part of the party the longest and keep it running on a day-to-day basis."

There will be nearly 800 superdelegates at the party's national convention in Denver this summer. They are the party and elected officials who automatically attend the convention and are free to support whomever they choose. They are in high demand now that neither Clinton nor Obama can clinch the nomination without them.

Clinton leads in superdelegate endorsements, 258-232, according to the latest tally by the AP. However, Obama has been eating away at her lead for much of the past two months, picking up 84 percent of the superdelegate endorsements since Super Tuesday.

About 250 superdelegates have told the AP they are undecided or uncommitted. About 60 more will be selected at state party conventions and meetings this spring.

AP reporters across the nation contacted the undecideds and asked them how they plan to choose. Of those, 117 agreed to discuss the decision-making process.

_About a third said the most important factor will be the candidate who, they believe, has the best chance of beating Republican John McCain in the general election.

_One in 10 said the biggest factor will be the candidate with the most pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses.

_One in 10 said what matters most is who won their state or congressional district in the primary or caucus.

_The rest cited multiple factors or parochial issues.

Excellent comment markktaft. As I said in another discussion, I always thought Obama campaigning heavily in PA has more to do with keeping Clinton bogged down in friendly territory so she could get a real beach head in NC. Obama's campaign never, ever said it expected to win -- just narrow the margin away from the 65-35 blow out Clinton would need to snatch any significant share of delegates. Again, Obama is running an artfully, executed race.

AlwaysTip,

There is also another advantage for Senator Obama pushing Hillary to have to work hard in Pa. He is forcing her to expend almost all of her remaining funds, in order to keep up. He is forcing her to fire the last rounds of her money arsenal, and she will be out of resources for the remainder of the war.

Latest ABC/Washingon Post Nation Poll.

Sixty percent of the voters find Hillary Clinton to be untruthful and untrustworthy.

Go ahead Super Delegates: Pick her as the Horse you want to ride in November. Take your stupid pills and convince yourselves that the American People are going to elect some one that 60% of them detest.

Super Delegates, if you are that stupid, you deserve to have the Republicans sweep you out of office in November.

John McCain says: Go ahead, make my election day, Stupor Delegates!

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As an Obama supporter, I'm troubled by all the hype that Obama is "closing in" on Clinton in PA. That's malarkey pure and simple, and it's going to make Obama's double digit loss all the more painful to cope with. No poll conducted in PA since the campaign there began in earnest has shown Obama doing better than 45%. Even those PA polls that force undecideds to make a decision show Obama coming in under a seemingly impenetrable 45% ceiling. That means that the so-called undecideds are in fact overwhelmingly Clinton votes. This is borne out by scatter graphs of all the polling (such as this one done by Mark Blumenthal at Pollster.com: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/pennyslvania_follow_the_undeci.php Those polls with a high percentage of undecideds show a close race, while those with a low percentage of undecideds show a double digit win for Clinton. So when you see a survey like the latest Mason-Dixon poll, with Clinton leading 48/43 with 9% undecided, all you have to do to get a rough idea of what's going to happen Tuesday is add the lion's share of the undecideds to Clinton's percentage. If the lion's share is 7% what you come up with is a 55% to 45% Clinton win. As I said, however, it has always been difficult for Obama to get up to 45% in the polls, much less to stay up there. So considering the disastrous ABC gotcha-fest and Obama's subsequent tanking in the daily tracking polls, I think it's probably unrealistic to expect Obama to get 45% on election night. Personally, I'm hoping the outcome is not worse than a 56% to 44%. Given all the silly talk about a close 3 to 5 point race, my worry is that a 12% Clinton win is going to be touted as a huge victory, and that the spin from that is going to affect the following races to Obama's detriment. Once again, the Obama expectations game has been totally lost.

You make some very good points, Blue Skies; I live in Pittsburgh and while it seems like there are more Obama signs on lawns in city neighborhoods, if you go out to the suburbs like I had to today it's Hillary, Hillary everywhere. I agree that expectations need to be lowered or a 10 or 11 point victory will be seen as a blow-out for Clinton and recharge her whole campaign.

Sadly, it's probably already too late to lower expectations. The story Wednesday is going to be: "He outspent her 3 to 1 and lost by 12 points! Has Obama peaked? Is he permanently damaged goods? Is Hillary on the verge of turning this around?" Well, you know the drill. By the way, today's ARG poll, with 5% undecided, shows Hillary winning by 13 points. Close your eyes and cover your head, cause here it comes...

The difference between losing by 5-6% and 10-12% is less than you would think, Blue Skies, as it doesn't tend to cause that many counties tip over the threshholds needed for 2-1 delegate allocations.

Keep in mind that Hillary won California by 10%, despite last minute polls that said things were tied... and that didn't decide future contests noticeably.

Basically, any momentum she gets here should be canceled out when Guam and NC come through for Obama with similar -- if not larger -- margins. A strong win in PA could only affect the results in other states by maybe a few percent, based on what we've seen thus far.

In short, there's no evidence of a meltdown, and every state thinks their opinions should matter, regardless of how other states voted.

When those delegates are all alloted and more superdelegates start coming in at Dean's request, then we'll start seeing situations where Obama needs maybe a third as many delegates to be put over the top, which is bound to make many of the pundits say, quite rightly, that she has no chance of winning, even when they start doing theoreticals about people voting for her by a 2-1 margin.

They'll look at the rate superdelegates start declaring and basically say that it's almost certain to go his way... and at that point, numerous undeclared superdelegates out there will feel the need/pressure to be one of the ones that puts Obama over the top.

You forgot to mention Indiana, which is close at best. After a double digit win in Pennsylvania, that state, too, will be a dubious proposition for Obama. I think that if this kind of bad showing continues, there will be point when the supers will look at Obama's weak finish despite having vastly superior resources and shake their collective head in dismay. I'm talking about winning elections in the plain old-fashioned vote-tally since of the word, not the queer math of district delegate allocation. If Obama flops into Denver with four flat tires, a steaming radiator, and a sheepish grin on his face, do you seriously think the supers are going to say, "Well, you made it by the delegate hairs of your chinny-chin-chin; so I guess you're our nominee." No they will not. They'll be looking around for a winner -- if not Hillary, then someone else. I still believe, as I have been saying since before Ohio & Texas, that a dark horse might emerge from all this. Just one more week taken up with a dustup like those we've seen, and Obama will be all but finished. And you can be damn sure the Clinton camp is working on that right now: something juicy to spring on IN and NC.

Excuse me; I'm having a terribly bleak day.

It's not so much that I forgot Indiana... it's that it's a narrow Hillary victory, at best. And if she loses Indiana, well... that's pretty much it, really.

The point is, nothing she can do in the smaller Indiana will make up for what Obama does in the larger North Carolina, after which it will be clear that any candidate can win any state which leans their way.

"Just one more week taken up with a dustup like those we've seen, and Obama will be all but finished."

I don't see it. Not in the Pennsylvania polls, certainly.

Last week:
ARG: Clinton +20.0

This week:
ARG: Clinton +13.0

If we were to believe the polls, just one more week like this week and Obama would have a pretty good shot of winning Pennsylvania, assuming that ARG's methodology is as off in PA as it was in OH.

And as for national polls, those are decidedly mixed, with Newsweek giving Obama a 19-point lead, post-debate, and ABC/WashPost, Rasmussen, Newsweek, Reuters/Zogby, and AP/IPSOS all putting him at or significantly above where he was vs. Clinton as compared to a month ago, with an average 8.5% lead on her nationally... and you can bet that Hillary's negatives increased several percent over the week as well.

I'm frankly not too worried. All Senator Clinton has left is a mountain of debt and old tabloid headlines.

Seriously, what hasn't her campaign dredged out at this point? That overweight homosexual YouTube loser who failed his polygraph?! Yeah... that'll work.

Maybe they can claim that Obama has a black kid.

!!!HILLMENTUM™!!!!

Also, blueskies, ARG overestimated Hillary's victory in Ohio by about 5%, so perhaps their methodology is such that what they see as a likely 13% victory in Pennsylvania only materializes at about an 8% victory.

Obama has had a pretty good last few days and appears to have recovered from the debate pretty well. Hillary is getting bashed pretty seriously for going negative and for her verbal slips, so I think Obama will do just fine, whatever happens.

Maybe she could claim a more meaningful victory in Pennsylvania if she ran a clean, honest campaign, but her negatives keep going up to a much greater degree than Obama's, so I think the best she can hope for is a pyrrhic victory, going in to the next several races with very little integrity left, and completely tapped out.

I hope you're right!

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