Durbin To Ickes: Hit Us With Your Best Shot
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL), one of Barack Obama's top surrogates, has responded to our story that we reported yesterday — that Clinton strategist Harold Ickes has been discussing the Jeremiah Wright controversy with uncommitted super-delegates.
"Harold Ickes can try whatever he'd like to try by way of tactics to win the super-delegates," Durbin told the Huffington Post. "But I believe that most of them feel as I do, that Barack Obama has handled this is a responsible way and in a way we would like to see from the president."
Durbin also argued that Obama's big speech on race relations had enabled him to rebound from the Wright controversy: "What has happened since [Obama's] Philadelphia speech is that the ground lost initially has been regained."















Whatever. Clinton is going to win the general against McCain. Deal with it, trolls.
**Just thought I'd get this out of the way for gotalife and his three sock-puppets.**
April 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR GOTALIFE *
* with respects to idiotic
April 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot to mention that Obama is a liar.
Deal with that, Obama trolls!
Clinton/Celine Dion in '08 - Cause they're FABULOUS!
April 2, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good to see you come around to reality.
Sock puppet?
Troll?
Where is the hope for unity?
Anyhoo, looks like Durbin is scared.
Of losing.
I think all lies should be exposed before the general so the gop will not use them. This is why Clinton admitted her mistake.
Too bad Obama will never admit his mistakes.
Hell, he blamed bowling like a child on the beer.
April 2, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You tell em, gotalife! It's like some people don't realize that Obama is a BLACK MAN! I mean, can they not see your picture? It's Obama, a black man, standing next to another black man. I even sense some anger from the other black man, not to mention the fact that he is wearing some sort of African garb. That's reverse racism!
Don't be fooled, Obamamongs. Your man is a liar. He said that when he was 9 he read a Time Magazine article about a black man who bleached his skin white. Turns out it was article from Esquire, not Time!
Barack Obama - he's black, and he's a liar.
Vote Clinton in '08 - cause she's a REAL diva!
April 2, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, it is a weak, lying, liberal, politician standing next to his radical spiritual adviser.
You have joined Tena and the second to play the race card.
The last resort of a loser.
Congrats.
April 2, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh now you've gone too far! He's a liberal?
You're telling me that a LIBERAL is running for the Democratic Party nomination? Say it ain't so!
Gotalife, you never cease to amaze me. Your insight into this race has been prescient and profound. You would make Hillary proud.
Hillary Clinton '08: With friends like Gotalife, who needs genital warts?
April 2, 2008 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cuz Obama is losing. That's right, keep telling yourself that. We'll have the last laugh.
April 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, Obama's black?
April 2, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I think all lies should be exposed before the general so the gop will not use them. This is why Clinton admitted her mistake."
All lies should be exposed?
You mean Clinton should expose Obama's lies, is that what you're saying? So "the GOP won't use them?"
That is straight bullshit. Anything Clinton slings at Obama can be and will be exploited by the GOP. That argument to justify saying anything and everything to nail Obama to the wall is just as potentially damaging to Clinton. She could be "hoisted on her own petard," because her lies will be exploited by the GOP, too.
Sniperfire? She ducked to dodge snipers? The plane did a corkscrew landing? Really?
April 2, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. If anyone thinks that just because Clinton slings dirt that the GOP can't pick up that same dirt and sling it again in the general, they're naive beyond belief.
April 2, 2008 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Where is the hope for unity?"
My keyboard was almost ruined by all the irony dripping from that post.
My man, you are the LAST person who posts here who seems worried about any kind of Democratic unity. Save it, troll.
April 2, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think all lies should be exposed before the general so the gop will not use them. This is why Clinton admitted her mistake.
That wasn't a mistake. That was a lie. A lie repeated at least three times. And then she got caught in the lie, and lied again, claiming she merely "misspoke" and had "a different memory."
Dashing for safety under enemy fire is not something you "misremember."
If you want to take her excuse at face value, then I question whether we want in the White House somebody with the ability to manufacture an episode out of whole cloth in her own mind, and convince herself of its truth.
Personally, I don't. A basically reliable memory is a quality I want in a President. Either Hillary lied about this episode, or her "memory" doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
April 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
One would expect the Obama speech to pretty much calm the waters as far as the Democratic side is concerned. First of all, many of those Democrats are Obama supporters, and would remain so regardless of Mr. Obama's speech, or whatever comes out about Pastor Wright. And as far as the remaining Democrats which includes Hillary supporters and the undecided, they are all part of an American culture in which white people do not have permission to speak up against black people in racial terms. Typically if a white person raises any kind of criticism against a black person in our society, that white person faces the very real possibility of being labeled a racist. That is very unfortunate, as it has completely stifled inter-racial dialog in this country.
However, do not expect Republicans to be constrained in the same way. It is to their advantage in this election to bring up the race issue. Obama has in effect given everyone permission to do so through his speech, though many have been reluctant to do so thus far. That will not continue if Obama is the nominee. With affirmative action issues going on the ballots in a number of States this fall, that issue alone will ensure Obama's views on race remain front and center.
And as to just how well Obama settled the Wright issue with his speech, I suspect that issue is more of a sleeping giant, and the nomination is a ticking alarm clock.
April 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
But who cares what Republicans think about Rev. Wright? They're not voting for a democrat anyway. As for indies who may go McCain because of Wright, well, so be it. I still bet there are fewer who would defect over Wright than would defect over Valor -Theft-in-Tuzla-gate.
April 2, 2008 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time Magazine reports that Clinton fundraisers are worried that her kamikaze strategery will wind up saddling her political future with ginormous debts.
From their lips to God's ears..the Fist Black Couple RIP
April 2, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
link?
April 2, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're expecting a real argument from that dude?
April 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I sense a major surrogate mis-match here.
April 2, 2008 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ickes is just worried about what the Republicans will do.
Like Shaheen was worried about the Republicans, too, back in December.
They're just concerned, that's all. Don't know why Durbin is being so touchy.
We should thank the Clintons for their concern. They're just thinking of what's best for ....
April 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
OT, but since it seems TPM is determined not to announce this any time soon, I'm doing my best to spread this excellent news for Hillary:
The AP is reporting that Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal, a Dem superdelegate, is endorsing Obama.
April 2, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
fairbrooks: They posted it as a side link on thefront page for couple of hours now.
April 2, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doh!
April 2, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent. More of this please - don't let them smear our frontrunner like this and drive down our chances of beating McCain - it's self-defeating and stupid.
Thanks Durbin.
April 2, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
On my orders:
Icky-poo is spreading Wright's doo-doo.
I will do anything to win.
I am a fighter and the American people owe me a living.
Bill and I did soooo much for you from 1992-2000.
Your lives are soooo much better because of us. You owe us.
And no...
We are not returning the White House furniture we stole in 2000.
April 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
bravenewworld,
Here is an excellent Video with the immortal Lou Dobbs slamming Obama, the limpwristed one, and the media.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH6jjj2YfEI&eurl
April 2, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Limp wristed one"? Are you sure you're a Democrat?
Obama's bowling was atrocious, but I don't know, I'd rather not choose a President on how well he bowls. Just a little quirk of mine, actually caring about things that are important in a leader. I'm sure Obama would have bowled better if he hadn't been busily doding sniper fire from Tuzla.
April 2, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats have ass kissed Clintons for too long, it's time for the party to drop the Clinton baggage behind and move forward.
Good to know not all democrats are bootlickers.
April 2, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read your staff man, you are disrespecting the last great Dem President and his wife of your party.
Have you no sense of decency or loyalty?
Sickening and disgusting.
April 2, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read your staff man, you are disrespecting the last great Dem President and his wife of your party.
Have you no sense of decency or loyalty?
Sickening and disgusting.
Well done. You've finally succeeded in pushing gotalife to the point of parody.
April 2, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you no sense of decency or loyalty?
Gotalife: Did I hurt your feelings? Ouch!!!
Bill Clinton was alright, but not good enough to bring him back to the White House to settle his old scores. It's time to say good bye.
Get over it, pumpkin.
Now go scavenge some more B.S. from Hillary44 and the rightwing garbage piles.
April 2, 2008 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's so weird -- "his wife of your party" is the name of my band.
April 2, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
responded to our story that we reported yesterday...
Eric, your emphasis in interesting BTW.
April 2, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good. Take credit where credit is do. Nothing wrong with that.
April 2, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Angry Vet.
Do you think TPM getting an inside scoop is a networking achievement?
Why do you think Ickes leaked the "Trading delegtes for Wright" story to TPM and not to any mainstream news agency?
Wright threat matters to super delegates, only if the controversy stays alive and Ickes succeeded in starting the conversation by reinvoking Wright on a lesser known news site.
Intent: Start a story without being the source.
When and if the MSM picks up this story: There will be little focus on Ickes's sinister intent, and a lot more emphasis on the question: Whether Wright matters for Democrats in fielding their choice of candidate?
In my view, TPM latched onto the scoop because it enhances their reputation for 'exclusives', and in the process has become a vehicle in furthering Ickes's intent.
April 2, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, ignore Obama praising God damn America and tossing Grandma under the bus but most folks see this as a sure loser.
But not here.
Guess what folks, the gop will never ignore this obvious negative.
I guess you forgot how the gop plays this game. They have no shame, will lie, cheat and steal votes. All KO's special comments will stop them.
They don't listen to anybody and will do anything to win. They are not going to hand over all their power to a lying, radical, liberal without a war.
Sure ignore this reality to lose three in a row.
April 2, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I guess you forgot how the gop plays this game. They have no shame, will lie, cheat and steal votes. They don't listen to anybody and will do anything to win."
Just like Hillary!
Thanks Gotaloofa. You made my day!
April 2, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure, ignore Obama praising God damn America and tossing Grandma under the bus but most folks see this as a sure loser.
Most people = Clinton's crumbling support in Pennsylvania and all across America.
Gotalife, you never cease to amaze. You're almost as clever as a bladder infection!
April 2, 2008 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
But only half the fun.
April 2, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
gotalife:
Have you ever explained why you think the Clinton's will be able to beat McCain?
If so, please fill me in, or give me the link.
April 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, that is so strange. "lying, radical liberal without a war" was the title of my sisters master's thesis.
April 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good for Durbin. While Camp Hillary is at, maybe they can have Ed Rendell praise Fox News again, too. Or maybe they can pass around some more American Spectator articles. Or maybe they can have red-faced Bill show up on Limbaugh one more time. I mean, why not? If she wants to burn down the party, who are we mere voters to stop her? In fact, we OWE this to her.
To quote a brilliant man, "Keep firing, assholes!"
April 2, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
See, I really want to win in November and I've come to the conclusion that Hillary doesn't, unless it's her. In other words, I think this is personal with her. That's no reason to run for president.
And it's no way to win. But then that entire campaign machine of hers is nothing but a loser. All they do is lose for us. If we can get progressives and usually nonvoting Democrats out for a candidate, what the hell is wrong with that? Seems to me it increases our chances in November, a lot.
Or we could do it the way we've been doing it - we can run a candidate who does not inspire progressives and Democrats who don't usually vote to vote. Just like '2000 and just like '04. Then we run it right up to the wire and that enables the Republicans to steal it. It's happened twice in national elections. I really don't want to give this a 3d try.
April 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes indeed. It is personal for Clinton. Only she, and her campaign (and gotalife, of course) are capable of truly understanding reality. The rest of us can't, and Clinton is going to save us, and the Democratic party, from ourselves and themselves.
It's sad. The Clinton campaign is convinced that the electorate will stay divided, and fall prey to its baser instincts. It's a dim view of people.
This dim view might be warranted, but it's sad, nonetheless.
Whatever. She's on a mission to save the country. From what, well, that's the question.
April 2, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Ickes is emphasizing anything about race (yes we realize Obama is African-American), that isn't relevant, the good Rev. is the problem it's his "words that matter".
April 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you don't think the Wright issue is inherently racial in nature, you're fooling yourself. Yes, it's a patriotism thing, too - but come on.
April 2, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's increasingly clear why Monsters Inc. is going flaming batshit over Richardson's Obama endorsement. At a time when they're desperately flailing to stoke the Wright embers back into a blaze, Richardson slipped out the door on them.
Hillary is bleeding endorsements, bouncing checks, and falling in the polls.
April 2, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Just wait until the fundraising numbers are released. If they are at all.
April 2, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Just wait until the fundraising numbers are released. If they are at all.
April 2, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exhibit A: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/04/02/BAVNVU2PJ.DTL&type=printable
(Would someone please tell Maggie Williams that Bill's slipped his leash again?)
April 2, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
This line from that link:
"Five times to my face (Richardson) said that he would never do that," a red-faced, finger-pointing Clinton erupted.
Stands out to me. It SCREAMS that Bill was lieing. When he LIES he always POINTS his FINGER.
Who can forget him looking in the camera, pointing his finger and saying "i did not have sexaul relations with that women"?
The other thing he does is get red-faced mad.
Bill is telling a bold faced lie.
I believe Richardson.
I believe Clinton knowing how damaging Richardson would be to Hillary's team cooked up this entire FAUX LIEING outrage to stem the tide of others following Richardsons lead.
This just smells like a lie.
And Bill's actions are those of a liar. He thinks that outrage is the format to use for deception as folks will think why would he be so mad if nothing happens. the truth is that he knows that will be the response so he manipulates folks with the faux outrage...just a mirror image of what he did in the Lewinsky situation.
LIAR!!
April 2, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet, the Clintons cannot, for the life of them, seem to get the very basic fact that it was precisely that toxic mix of entitlement, mudslinging and dysfunction that is driving away the very people they need to survive -- supers like Richardson, Casey and, before long, Rachel Binah (the recipient of Bill's most recent meltdown).
April 2, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Ickes is emphasizing anything about race (yes we realize Obama is African-American), that isn't relevant, the good Rev. is the problem it's his "words that matter"
Let me guess - you're not black.
I really see this as very racial indeed, and that's because I see it for what it is - it's an attack on Black Liberation Theology, which is a popular theology in black churches. So it becomes an attack on the black church where this theology prevails because they are deliberately mischaracterizing the whole thing. It's disgusting.
So you can make the claim, but I'm afraid I disagree and most people do. It's really all about Ickes making Obama look like a scary, therefore unelectable, black man.
April 2, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
Not to mention, polls show this didn't hurt Obama at all. In fact, his candid speech on race was very well received by the general public.
I hope once Obama is nominated, at least fellow Democrats will stop being afraid of Karl Rove and stand up to protect one of their own. And stand up for African-Americans, liberal patriots, and free speech while they're at it!
April 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary needs to focus on McCain now. Obama, the limpwristed one will be dropping out soon. He might have lived thru the Wright controversy until the general, but now that he bowled a 37 he really should quit immediatly, don't you think?
I mean my 5 year old nephew gets in the 80's on a bad string, and regularly gets in the 100's.
You cannot be that wimpy and expect to be Commander in Chief.
April 2, 2008 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I knew it! You're Monica Goodling!!!
April 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh yeah, let's see your five year old nephew get taken to the rack by Obama on the basketball court.
April 2, 2008 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get it now! dembilic has been pulling all our legs!
This simply cannot be serious. I mean, can it? Can anyone seriously consider someone's bowling game a factor in choosing a president?
So I've now concluded that dembilic is just our beloved 'idiotic' except with more words. It's an extended joke, a parody, a self-parody perhaps.
dembilic had me fooled.
I owe dembilic an apology.
At least, I sincerely, fervently hope so.
April 2, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've yet to see an Obama supporter make a coherent argument for why the Clinton campaign shouldn't discuss Wright with the supers. The Obama campaign has been demonizing Hillary for months now, and talking about how unelectable she is. Wright is an issue for Obama, and pointing out that it might hurt him in the general is just politics. As much as the Obama folks may want to deny it, the Wright thing is about a lot more than race. But I know it gives you all great comfort to pretend that the only problem is Hillary's racism, despite the fact that the whole issue blew up without any help from the Clinton camp. Do you really think this thing would be all over if only Ickes would stop talking about it?
April 2, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's one: the political opinions of one's pastor are utterly irrelevant to the opinions of the candidate, especially where, as here, the candidate has stated with crystal clarity (in the Philadelphia Speech and since) his relationship with the preacher in question. It is a fake scandal, a made-up tempest designed to pray on the fears of ignorant white folks in OH, PA, WV and IN, as well as uncommitted supers everywhere, in order to get them to choose Hillary over Obama.
And while there may be elements other than race in play, Ickes himself has admitted as much, albeit in the old, "some people say" manner of distancing himself from the argument. Moreover, the very fact that it's the specter of a screaming black preacher - and not, say, a screaming Ted Kennedy or Dick Durban - that Ickes is whispering about demonstrates conclusively that it is, in fact, about race. The fact that the Clintons are using race in an appeal to the fears of both voters and the supers is offensive on its face, and suggests that Ickes and the Clintons themselves are racist. (How else do you characterize an argument that you don't believe a black man can win?). That's why it's not okay.
But as an Obama supporter who has watched with pride as the polls dipped during the depths of the fake Wright hysteria, then recovered quickly and actually moved beyond pre-Wright levels of support, I would be happy for Ickes et. al. to continue to whisper about Rev. Lewis. My sense is that Icke's and Clinton's whispering (and screaming) campaign is only alienating the very people - democratic voters and superdelegates like Bill Richardson - they're trying to woo, and driving them away instead of drawing them in.
Keep it up, Harold. Heckuva job. At this rate, Obama may have it wrapped up before April 22.
April 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons while in Arkansas government, were surrounded by lovers of the Confederacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_in_the_American_Civil_War
I believe that when they cast stones at Wright, they also need to address their views about the Confederate flag.
See if that helps them in the South.
Or is it a wink-wink, were one of the good ol boy’s. Giving lip service to the black voters, as maternally understanding, their roles in our society
As long as you stay within your roles
Carpetbaggers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbaggers
Accustomed to viewing Southerners—black and white—as devoid of economic initiative and self-discipline, they believed that only "Northern capital and energy" could bring "the blessings of a free labor system to the region.
NAFTA
Only Hillary and Bill can save the Democratic Party?
April 2, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
"but most folks see this as a sure loser."
Gotalife is now the voice of "most folks?"
As of late, I've been advising the very exclusive Dem Party 2008 Presidential Blog that we all need to stop trashing the "other side" in the Clinto/Obama contest, and it seems as if most of them know now how damaging the vitriole can be to the whole party, and they have all assuaged their partisan dialogue for the sake of the party.
And we had more tha one delusional poster who constantly referred to "most people" as if they were somehow representatives of them.
Gotalife, it is fine to post your own opinion, but you should stop representing yourself as anything other than a partisan, we all know how we feel, and we all know how many others feel, but NONE of us knows how "most folks" feel.
I realize that every time you use the term, you are actually projecting your own hopes, but you need to pose it differently, or the intelligent people reading this blog will just stop giving yu any sort ofcredibility, and from the looks of many other posts, it is way too late for that.
April 2, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reverend Wright, the gift that forever gives:
It just came to me within the past few week...why so many folk are hating on Barack Obama. He doesn’t fit the mold: he ain’t white, he ain’t rich, and he ain’t privileged.
Hillary fits the mold. Europeans fit the mold. Giuliani fits the mold. Rich, white men fit the mold.
Hillary never had a cab whiz by her and not pick her up because her skin was the wrong colour. Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over as a black man driving in the wrong. (sic)
Now I am sick of Negroes who just do not get it. Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home. Barack was.
Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a niggerr. Hillary has never been had a people defined as non-preons.
Hillary ain’t had to work twice as hard to get accepted by the rich, white folk who run everything or to get a passing grade (when) you know you are smarter than that C student sitting in the White House.
Oh, I am so glad I got a God who knows what it is to be a poor black man in a country and a culture that is controlled and run by rich, white people. He taught me, Jesus did, how to love my enemies. Jesus taught me how to love the hell out of my enemies and not to be reduced to their level of hatred, bigotry, and small-mindedness.
April 2, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
As they say in church....
Well?
April 2, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Durbin is a good soldier. It would been decent of Obama to back up his senior senator and mentor when he was crucified for comparing U.S. torture, correctly, to the Nazis, Stalin and Khmer Rouge, but he didn't.
April 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink