How on earth did anyone come up with that headline for the contents that follow?

Shocker!

Obama should drop out of the race. He should run on a third party ticket. The Unity Party

I'm concerned about the 29% of Obama supporters that don't want Hillary on the ticket.

Don't they think that having the savior of Tuzla, the arbitor of peace in Ireland, the creator of SCHIP and FMLA, as well as the voice against NAFTA in the Clinton Administration would be a good thing to balance out the ticket?

"The underlying dynamic appears to be that a lot of Clinton supporters like Obama, with 53% favoring him as her vice president."

Ah, Eric, the self-proclaimed poll master with another Hillary spin.

Well, poll boy. I read it like this.

Clinton supporters need, repeat need Obama if they want to have even a hell's chance in winning the GE.

OTH, Obama supporters do not, repeat do not want her because that will be the sure way to lose the GE. Get it ?

Count me as one of those Obama supporters who seriously dislikes Hillary. And I actually liked and defended her for fifteen years prior to this contest.

However, now, I simply cannot conceive of her being the President of the United States. Sure, I'd vote for her over McCain, but that ain't saying much. I'd probably vote for Socks (if he/she is still alive) over McCain.

Anyway, I digress. This contest barrage of low information voter-targeting lies, "misstatements," and disgusting tactics has persuaded me that four more years of a Clinton in the White House is possibly as dangerous (or maybe even more dangerous) than four more of McCain.

I'm sure that impression would change were Clinton to gain the nomination (a dim prospect even in the most Clintonistic description of reality). But as it stands, I am down to the point o throwing up in my mouth whenever she speaks.

Pretty sad state of affairs. And Big Bill fares no better in my perspective these days. That is, seriously, a long way to tumble for this one time, die-hard Clinton fan.

It would be very difficult for me to believe that Obama supporters do not like Hillary. Not after all the wonderful and positive comments about her I've read day after day from so many Obama fans.

Now let's all sing a couple dozen verses of Kumbaya!

She needs him. He doesn't need her.

there was a chance he could have taken her with him, that was before "McCain has past the president test,.... but obama has not" comment after that even Pelosi said that Nightmare tocket was not to be, she said "take it from me that would not be the ticket"

I'd rather have Donald Rumsfeld as Obama's VP.

When are you trolls going to stop ignoring Obama's lies?

http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=105

Do you want to lose again?

The gop will not ignore all his lies and he will lose.

Clinton/Obama will win.

Extra insight on Hillary's connection to Bosnia. This article alleges she was part of the reason why it took so long for the US to step in...

http://www.slate.com/id/2187780

"The key factor in Bill's policy reversal was Hillary, who was said to have "deep misgivings" and viewed the situation as "a Vietnam that would compromise health-care reform." "

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be Hillary's VP. I mean can you imagine having to go out there and defend stuff like her Sniper Fire story? Not fun.

What else did Nuff say? He sounds like a voice of reason.

Hillary had a chance at VP but blew it with her kitchen-sink, endorse-MCCain, not-sure-if-he's-not-Muslim garbage.

There is no way in hell that Clinton could possibly be VP on an Obama ticket. Like them or not, her and her husband are very powerful within the Democratic Party. If she chose, and at this point I'm no longer putting anything past her, she could undermine the Office of the President from the VP position like no one ever before her. And that includes Cheney. Obama could very quickly find himself in a position here he's fighting against his own VP for support within the party, and that's absolutely no way to run the county.

Pelosi hit the nail on the head. Clinton's endorsing McCain over Obama killed any possibility of a so-called Dream Ticket. When Barack wins the nomination, it needs to be an Obama administration no questions asked.

The numbers could also suggest a higher level of intellegence (and strategy) on part of the Obama voter.

If Obama is the nominee, he doesn't need Clinton. He needs someone like Tim Kaine, putting Virginia in play.

If Obama can win Virginia and one southern state (GA, SC, NC, or LA), and make the assumption he wins MN, IA, MO, WI, CO & NM. Then assume McCain captures FL, MI & OH, but everything else breaks the same way it did in '04, guess what? Obama wins.

advice to gotalife: getabrain.

That most would prefer a Hillary/Obama ticket rather than the other way around is hardly news, ad it makes sense. The loud and vocal supporters' claims notwithstanding, it should have been obvious to anyone who's frequented these forums for some time that Hillary's supporters have generally been more accommodating and accepting of Obama than his supporters have been of Hillary.

A Hillary/Obama ticket would not only win easily, but it also makes sense, in addition to being great politics: It would ensure a Dem lock on the White House for years to come because Obama, as VP would be the overwhelming favorite to win the Dem nomination and the presidency in 2016, as his current weakness - the lack of experience - would not be an issue 8 years from now. I do not see Obama beating McCain, regardless of who he picks as his running mate...

Very telling that gotalife's "Obama's Lies" link is predicated on incredibly rank anti-Muslim sentiment. I wouldn't attribute any of this to the Clinton campaign, but it's definitely not the type of outlook I would ever care to validate at the ballot box.

I really think you might have missed the message a bit on this one Eric. Doesn't it make more sense to think that:

A. Many Clinton supporters are OK with Clinton/Obama because it puts their candidate in her "rightful" position and still gives the nod the future of the party.
B. Many Obama supporters, if given no other choice and Clinton was the nominee, would rather settle for an Obama VP slot than nothing at all - their guy is still very much in the game and in position to move up in eight years.

On the converse:

C. Many Clinton supporters cannot/will not envision her in a second fiddle role and therefore would not support an Obama/Clinton ticket. They would rather see her pursue other avenues.
D. Likewise, Obama supports would feel like that Clinton as VP is unecessarily tying Obama to the past (and her baggage) - not to mention dealing with the mindboggling detail of having an ex-president as your VPs spouce - and would offer very few advantages.

In other words, I think the "underlying dynamic" has much more to do with what is viewed as making "sense" from a logical-order-of-the-universe standpoint than it does with supporter's level of like or dislike of the opposing candidate.

I agree with the above comments: Having Hillary and Bill bustling around his administration is an absolute nightmare for Obama. Bill has proven that he cannot be controlled, most certainly not by his wife. Obama would need a special Secret Service detachment just to protect him from the Clinton's private plots.

What does he need?: 1.He needs someone with senior defense management experience, doesn't matter if its civilian or uniformed 2. He needs a woman, someone who can heal the wounds with Hillary's most adamant supporters 3. He needs someone who can assure him of victory in a very big swing state.

Can he get all three of these criteria in one person? Who? Or which potential VPs give two of the three?

I find the Obama/Webb combo particularly enticing.

Where's the poll on the real dream team:

McCain/Clinton '08?

She and Bill seem to have been publicly been CVing her for the job.

See, I wouldn't mind one bit seeing the campaign roll onward, IF, and that's such a big IF it's not a feasible idea, I don't think - they'd both concentrate on McCain and Bill would shut up.

If Hillary wants to tell us for real why we should elect her instead of Obama, ok. But she needs to bear in mind, we aren't all Republicans and some of us don't like all the love she and her husband have been giving right wingers and the Republican candidate for president. I don't like it at all and if she's going to continue to campaign like that I don't want it to go any further.

Great, Obama trolls will continue to ignore his negatives to lose three in a row.

Amazing.

Posted by gotalife

I take it your conceding that being a Muslim is, on its face, a negative?

It comes down to a question of who get bring the volume.

In votes.

Massive lines at the polls.

A roll of the dice, certainly. But I'll go with Obama and his Sea of Youngsters over Hillary's Girlies.

I was going to type a long post explaining all the reasons it's obvious to anyone with a brain why Obama supporters want nothing to do with Hillary as VP, but you, vicissitudes, have pretty much covered it and covered it very well.

Thanks and ditto.

Coming to Network TV this fall, Clinton as the protagonist in "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner!"

Damned albatross.

You pick some one who can possible put a large swing State in play. I still predict that while the Democratic nominee has not yet been fully settled, that both Hillary and Obama will pick the same VP candidate. I predict that the VP candidate is, and will be the Governor of Ohio. Rendell is trying very hard to catch up to him, by delivering a similar margin as Ohio did. I am sticking to my prediction that I made before the Ohio Primary, that the Democratic Governor of Ohio will be the VP nominee, regardless whether Obama or Hillary get to do the selecting.

Obama/Sebelius

Vissicitudes: Do you mean lower taxes on the bottom 5%?

Anyway, the whole Muslim/radical pastor argument that gotalife keeps pedaling. Clinton's own church in DC (the one they attended during both terms) put out a statement in support of Wright...Also, why don't you use the photo of Wright and Bill Clinton at his religious breakfast function as your little graphic? Just to be fair...

Wright has no doubt said some inflammatory things, but people make mistakes, say the wrong thing sometimes. Wright's anger was real, and it was about things that the US government had done etc. both to other nation and to African Americans in our history.

I think dissent is patriotic, so some of what he said I think most Americans can understand. I think the 9-11 comments went too far though. I think that the GOP wil use it and people like you will use it, but most people have enough common sense to dismiss it (and move on) for what it was-a pastor making some inflammatory, ranting and raving angry remarks at what he percieved to be injustice.

Clinton/Obama is the only way dems can win in november. the Obamanoids have made it very personal with the Clintonistas, as some of the more rabid posts on here clearly show. so many Clinton supporters are going to desert the party. you can call'em all the names you want but if you could think rationally you'd see that.

and then the combination of the Wright thing, the un-American wife thing, and the new little bits of troubling information about Teh Chosen One that come out day by day is going to allow the GOP to make MINCEMEAT out of Obama. his only chance is with Clinton on the ticket.

altho I'm a Clinton supporter, I agree that she's lost this thing and that Obama will get the nomination. but I also think he doesn't have a prayer against McCain.

as far as what we "want" I think we should all start thinking a little more about what's good for our country and a little less about anointing our preferred candidate. let's face it: the party is split wide down the middle. if we truly want to get the republicans out of the white house, we all need to get over ourselves and put the top two candidates on the ticket. otherwise, it's McGovern in '72 all over again. or kerry. or dukakis. or mondale. or--I think I've made my point.

It's because the Obamabots really hate Hillary, but the Hillary supporters don't hate Obama.