O dear.

I hope Bill doesn't respond.

I figured his ghetto pass was revoked.

What a shame.

Why don't we tell the WHOLE statement?

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/04/24/top-house-democrat-denounces-clinton-campaign-tactics/

The Clintons are ingrates.

Democrats, especially the black community, rescued Bill during impeachment. Groups like MoveOn started up to end it. And Bill only thinks about how we owe him something. Wrong: He owes us!

Could these two be more selfish?

He's saying MUCH more than that, Eric. He's ACCUSING HRC of trying to damage Obama so much that he loses in Novemeber and she can run in 2012.

Funny how you left THAT part out:

House Democratic Whip James Clyburn, of South Carolina and the highest ranking black in Congress, also said he has heard speculation that Clinton is staying in the race only to try to derail Obama and pave the way for her to make another White House run in 2012.

“I heard something, the first time yesterday (in South Carolina), and I heard it on the (House) floor today, which is telling me there are African Americans who have reached the decision that the Clintons know that she can’t win this. But they’re hell-bound to make it impossible for Obama to win” in November, Clyburn told Reuters in an interview.

“I think it’s so disingenuous … (adviser James) Carville and Sen. Clinton were all on TV. I’ve seen them two or three times this week, talking about counting Florida and Michigan.”

Obama did not campaign in those states because the Democratic Party said Florida and Michigan wouldn’t be included in the formal tally for the nomination. “Her name was the only one on the ticket in Michigan and still 42, 43 percent of the vote was against her,” Clyburn said.

Still, Clyburn said “I don’t think she ought to drop out.”

But he added, “There’s a difference between dropping out and raising all this extraneous scurrilous stuff about the guy (Obama). Just run your campaign … you don’t have to drop out to be respectful of other people.”

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/04/24/top-house-democrat-denounces-clinton-campaign-tactics/

Unfortunately, yes they could be, and I think we are soon to see that.

Clyburn disrespecting the President will make real Dems mad. Did he read the memo?

Trying to divert the train wreck coming:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24300543#24300543

The only way for Hillary to keep her dream alive for a 2012 run would be for her to do her best to get Barack elected. That way, if he is not elected, this rumor, which I believe is true, would be put to rest. She needs to get on board as soon as this is over. She will have no time for sour grapes.

At least somebody finally said it - Hillary planning 2012 run. I think she is also trying to embarass Howard Dean and the DNC Power Players so she can force a regime change and put her lackey's in place.

Unfortunately it was an African American saying it, because it will just be written off as one black man supporting another.

Hear hear!

She's taking it to the convention and will rip the party apart. And if she does, I hope Obama hands it to her, and takes his voters and goes home because there is no way to win the general then. Let her lose in November when nobody will vote for her and come back in 2012. If she comes back in 2012 she will lose the first three primaries--NH won't forget. I read an editorial in a NH newspaper and they are really against her now.

Hillary has no chance for the 2012 nomination. If Obama loses, she'll be widely blamed. And even if she does work her ass off to get him elected, and he loses, the party will never nominate a widely despised and disrespected 65 year-old serial bullshitter with huge negative ratings. She's an obvious loser. Her political career is over.

Clyburn's real problem is that the Clintons did not step aside so that Obama could be handed the nomination without a campaign and exposure of his inexperience, hate & racism, and his lies. Clinton's have not damaged Obama, he's done it himself with his own words, associations, and actions or inactions. Blame the Dear Leader, not the Clintons.

Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com

Burning bridges is a load of crap.

Obama failed to even attend their events but Clinton was there.

The Clintons are always there.

Clyburn is trying to divert media attention away from Wright.

Too bad, Wright will be all over the media and this story will not.

Nice try Clyburn.

gotalife -

You lose. Deal with it.

We win, this time. We have already won.

It's our turn - the people who never win - we win this time.

It's over.

You lost.

Peter Paul hearing trial is tomorrow...The date of the trial will hopefully be set sometimes in September or October...This is another Hillary's problem...

The media forgot to say that her campaign is 15 Millions in debt not 10, FEC confirmed she had to included her own 5 millions as well...

So with her campaign costing her 1 Million a day, no matter how much money she raised, she will be more in debts than before...

Hang on whiners.

The Wright train wreck is coming and then another complete melt down on Fox News.

Obama has done nothing but gives good speeches that never matches his actions.

He does not deserve to be President.

Not even close.

McCain has his own problems with pastors. Hagee stated again this week that New Orleans was hit by Katrina because of homosexuality. And this is someone who McCain asked for his endorsement. McCain has a whole lot of problems, including 200,000 Republicans voting against him in Pennsylvania. Evangelicals won't support him because he is a foul mouth hot-head. And he's old and confused. There's lots of dirt on McCain and a book coming out next month on him. Doesn't matter who runs, they are going to get smeared. But nobody is hated more by Republicans than Hillary Clinton. And Independents don't like her either.

gotalife - you sure do put a lot of people down. You must have a real high opinion of yourself that you think you are so much better than everybody. Or do you just want everybody to be as miserable as you? Just wondering.

She certainly did her best to submarine Kerry in '04...

The destroy Obama and run in 2012 rumor has been floating around the blogs for months, but I think this is the first time it's been voiced by an actual Democratic official.

Now that he's voiced it, we might start hearing more and more about it. At the very least, it's bound to generate more chatter. It'll be interesting to see if anybody else picks up the ball and runs with it.

If Obama had never entered the race and Hillary had sailed to the nomination, she still would have lost the election in November.

She started out with negatives approaching 50% before she ever even announced (not that she needed to announce; the game plan to run Hillary has been open knowledge for at least 4 years). I never wanted her to run in the first place for that reason, and that was before she gave us lots of other reasons. She can talk all she wants to about how she's been fully "vetted"; the result of that "vetting" were negatives that for many years exceeded 50% and a several months-long rehash would have easily run them back up to that level...and again, that's without all the other more recent stuff.

Do I believe Hillary is going to game the Supers and overturn Obama's delegate lead? YES.

Does she think that we'll all move faithfully back "into the fold" when she gets Obama to be her VP? YES

Will we then lose against McCain this November? YES

PaulieGooner - You just have to wonder about someone who spends their day going on a website just to annoy people and put them down. How pathetic is that?

Obama would never be her VP. I saw him look her in the eye at that conpassion program on CNN. It was very clear that he hates her, and who would blame him? Obama won't help Hillary any if she steals it at the convention.

McCain seems to be mentally disabled to me. I don't mean to be disrespectful to the man because I saw him on TV the day he came home from the VietNam prison camp and he really was in bad shape, so he can have that disability check. But he really doesn't seem quite right mentally.

Ya, I would not go there

just like I would not go to the fact that we now have lowered the eligibility requirements to get into the military.

Now felons can sign up -
convicted gangbangers who conservatives would just as soon put to death without trial.

Now within one second they go to automatic hero status at the recruitment station where the conservatives get on there knees with their shiney flag lapel pins and swoon about this persons patriotisum and honor.

Ya, don't go there,

let McCain keep his 58,000.00 tax exempt taxpayer money for his disability - what ever the hell it is.

It is really pathetic to see how uninformed and downright unpatriotic and disrepectful that some Obama supporters are in their comments about McCain's disability pension and their implied suspicion of his disability. Are you guys for real?!

Matthew
http://www.TheIndependentView.com

I was reading how Hillary is called Queen of Pork because of her earmarks. But what struck me was how many were for defense contractors in NY. And of course they all donated and bundled money for her campaign. Then I realized, that's the real reason Hillary voted for the war, to help her rich friends get richer. She's no better than Bush and Cheney.

That is if you are wearing a flag lapel pin Matthew Weaver

oh your not! You naughty unpatriotic pathetic
"straight talker"

shame on you Matthew

why are you not wearing a flag lapel

now you have two questions to answer Mr. patriotic.

Ah, something in the keating 5 kitchen,

or phoney disability payments

or wifes non tax returns made public,

or favors for develpopers,

or did he get in a fight in the kitchen,

whatever could it be toni phoney

Just as I thought Matthew,

you don't know what his disability is,

or if you do you do not feel strongly enough about it to share and inform.

Your too easy Matty, although in your defense
I would act the same if I was misinformed.

I my friend know the truth - because John McCain
said it himself you pin head, "I am in perfect health, I am robust, I could walk the grand canyon tommorrow"

Go back to your video games Matthew

"When he was going through his impeachment problems, it was the black community that bellied up to the bar," Clyburn said. "I think black folks feel strongly that that this is a strange way for President Clinton to show his appreciation."

That's the most disgusting thing I've heard in this campaign! The Clintons have been working for black people for decades. They were heroes to black people. Clinton was often called the first black President. And when Hillary needed them they abandoned her in droves. They wanted a black President and they were just looking for some excuse to drop the Clintons. The minute Obama said that Hillary had dissed Martin Luther King, they willingly took the bait and dumped Hillary, the ingrates. And now Clyburn has the nerve to say that it's the Clinton's who lack appreciation??? That's disgusting! I hope she never does another thing for them.

I am white, and I have been canvassing for Obama in various states for the past 4 months. When I first started out, the African American people I talked to were solidly in favor of Bill Clinton. But as Bill Clinton's behavior and remarks became more and more bizarre, I saw their anger grow. And rightly so.

No wonder they no longer support him. The AA community has told me they feel duped and betrayed by the Clintons. I can tell you right now that if Mrs. Clinton is the nominee ( God forbid) that the AA community will be staying home. The Democrats need their support to win an election.

The Clintons are going up in flames but they want to drag others down with them. Just when I think they couldn't be any more self destructive and careless, they surprise me by surpassing themselves.

James Clyburn has no credibility. He one of the dufuses who got so offended over something that didn't happen, i.e., Bill Clinton never called Obama a kid as alledged by Donna Brazile.

Clyburn just recognizes that Bill Clinton is fighting back and he wants to keep him down. Clyburn, Jesse Jackson Jr., Donna Brazile and many others did a number on Bill Clinton in South Carolina over bogus offenses.

The full truth, as usual, will not be written until the campaign is long over. The body of evidence already favors Bill Clinton's version of events.

make no mistake, if the supers give the nom to HRC, the Democratic brand both locally and globally will take a major hit.

the U.S. ability to pressure any country to hold free and fair elections evaporates.

"Top Hillary Strategist: The Real Negative Campaign Is Obama's"

Thank you Mr. Georin.

You, as Senator Clinton's top strategist, have now openly admitted that Senator Obama is better at "taking on the republican" attack machine, than your candidate.

Thank you Mr. Georin;

You, as Senator Clinton's top strategist, have now openly staged a Hillary WHINE FEST, in the Washington Post.

That means that Hillary can not stand the heat, and has run screaming and WHINING from the kitchen.

Mr. Georin.

Take that gun away from Senator Clinton.

She has just shot herself twice with it.

WHINE ON, WHINE ON, OBLITERATOR LOON!!!

The memo Clinton is upset about was leaked to the press by Obama's people and contained a litany of supposedly racially charged remarks:

1. "It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year and never got asked one time, not once, 'Well, how could you say, that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your website in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since?' Give me a break.This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen..."

2. "It took a president [Lyndon Johnson] to get it done," said HRC referring to getting actual Civil Rights leglislation through the Congress.

3. New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo that, "you can't shuck and jive at a press conference." (In the memo, the Obama campaign says Cuomo was referring to the Illinois senator. Cuomo's spokesperson Jeffrey Lerner has argued that Cuomo was "clearly saying that Iowa and New Hampshire were important primaries because the candidates could not duck the tough questions.")

4. The memo says that "Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela," when the former president declared, "I go to Nelson Mandela's birthday party every year and we're still very close. [...] But if you said to me, 'You've got one last job for your country but it's hazardous and you may not get out with life and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I'll let you take one other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions [...] I would pick Hillary.'

5. The memo notes that on several occasions the Clinton campaign and its surrogates have raised the issue of Obama's youthful drug use.

Racially charged? Maybe Cuomo's remark, but labelling the rest that way seem like a real stretch to me.

How about these next two examples? Are do these suggest a pattern of playing the race card by a campaign?

"But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama."

and then this:

"We saw something very clever in the last week of this campaign coming out of Iowa, going into New Hampshire, we saw a sensitivity factor. Something that Mrs. Clinton has not been able to do with voters that she tried in New Hampshire.

Not in response to voters -- not in response to Katrina, not in response to other issues that have devastated the American people, the war in Iraq, we saw tears in response to her appearance. So her appearance brought her to tears, but not hurricane Katrina."

Those were made by Jesse Jackson, Jr., one of the Obama campaign's national co-chairs.

Or these, made by Obama supporter, Dr. Michael Eric Dyson on Hardball:

"So here, I think, with Obama, the possibility—I‘m not saying it‘s a necessity, I‘m not even saying it‘s a probability, but the possibility that New Hampshire voters, after seeing Obama‘s swagger, so to speak, from his confidence because of his Iowa victory, may have rejected him, repudiated him, or at least had second thoughts or become skeptical about pulling the lever, so to speak, for a black man."

Too suggest that those remarks by the Clinton team form a pattern indicating that their campaign was deliberately while ignoring much more clearly "racially charged" remarks by the other side is just playing favorites.

Clinton's been trashed by the press and now by a huge chunk of the Democratic Party and he's pissed. And that doesn't strike me as "bizarre" at all. It's just more nasty "personal" politics from people in our own party.

"The army is offering him a 10% disability pension. Which essentially provides for no future treatment once he walks out of the hospital. He hasn't even got his scalp sewed back on yet."

This is the "other America" that Wright was speaking of. I'm pretty sure most of the "REAL Americans" get it. Sometimes you have to spell it out for those that can't read between the lines (duh).

As far as McCain's disability, I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole. He was heroic. No doubt about it. He still loses on policy.

Hillary was never electable, I knew that from the beginning. I always thought the GOP pundits were baiting her by bringing it up so often before she entered. That doesn't mean I didn't respect the Clintons, I just felt that we couldn't overcome her/his negatives in a general. Alas, now I truly find them dispicable (sp?). She is self destructing in a sick and twisted way. It's rather curious.

On to the general. The rest is hot-air from blowhard sour-grapers.

coffee's on. ta-ta for now...

Is there a place to go online where I can find rational and non-deranged Clinton supporters? Because I sure can't find any here.

I'm sorry, you're crazy if you think Sen. Clinton is electable. She has irrevocably broken the democratic coalition by alienating African-American voters without bringing new voters into the coalition which Sen. Obama has.

Who cares about the big states, and whether Obama can win them. ( he won Texas by the way). I think it matters more that he has won my state MN which has in the past has often gone Dem in presidential races, but state offices and local elections can go red. Obama won, he won big in suburbs and areas that tend to vote Rep. I think the large turnouts for Obama in districts that are otherwise a toss up are a strong indicator of his electability. At our precinct he won hands down. My demographic profile:white middle aged, middle class woman says I should be supporting Hillary. Oops, I got an education and I use my brain to study the candidates and their positions--thats why I support Obama.