Clinton: When I Last Fired A Gun Is "Not A Relevant Question"

When asked to elaborate on her experiences with guns and religion -- after her remarks yesterday about having been taught to shoot by her dad -- Hillary Clinton said that such a question "is not a relevant question in this debate."

Rather, the issue is about how the Democratic Party and its attitudes are perceived by working-class voters. "We can answer that some other time," Clinton told a press conference. "This is about what people feel is being said about them. I went to church on Easter. I mean, so?"


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HAHAHAHAH! It has begun.

Seriously 100 Mil Hill, come on out to the desert w me. We have a few 22s and an M1 Carbine. Load the clip, fire it at the sniper cutouts and hit it and I will give you my vote in a gift wrapped bag.

Hillary Clinton! Champion of the 2nd Amendment! Snipers beware!

Obama compares Hillary to Annie Oakley:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo

Popcorn time.

Annie Oakley never shot down her voters.

With a wave of her hand, she assures us that we needn't be concerned with the authenticity of her claims to being a certified gun enthusiast.

Give her a break. Her shooting experience at age nine was as a sniper in Bosnia. Obviously she can't talk about it. This also explains how she got confused about the previous sniper/Bosnia story.

It's sort of like she's trying to use Jedi mind tricks on the General Public. With a wave of her hand, she assures us that we needn't be concerned with the authenticity of her claims to being a certified gun enthusiast. Unfortunately, this trick only works on weak-minded individuals.

My new avatar is in honor of HRC - the rootinest, tootinest cowgirl this side of the Ozarks - yeehaw!


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You know, it's at times like these that I feel I have somehow landed on a different planet. Sorta like the twilight zone or something. When the position of the most powerful person in the world starts to turn on whether or not they have shot/owned/killed other living things with guns . . . I mean jeez. C'mon people!

But, then again, the nominee for the other side thinks it is funny to sing about bombing other countries.

Maybe I am the weird one afterall.

so its been a while huh hill?

More hilarity from Hillary.

OK Hillary, next question, "Why does your husband continue to bring up the exagerrated Bosnia-sniper story?"

She is so pathetic.

Is this change I can believe in? I think yes.

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"This is about what people feel is being said about them."

ie. not what is actually being said about them, but what the MSM tells them is being said about them and why they should be offended.

I don't think the people working two or three jobs will be able to explain what this fake controversy is about. They would likely respond that Obama said some comment about people being "bitter", whatever that means.

In truth, the media & HRC are being condescending here -- pretending that the voters are too stupid to get the "What's the matter with Kansas" discussion.


Let's just hope this is the beginning of her over reaching coming back to haunt her. We all know she went too far in her effort to pander to rural PA voters in her attack on Obama; but only time will tell if the press will have as much enthusiasm for that story as they have for Obama's so called "bitter-gate".

It does appear so. Her support is slipping even with her most loyal demographic, white women.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/33411.html

Foot, meet shot.

LOL.

Let's just hope this is the beginning of her over reaching coming back to haunt her.

I think she has officially jumped the shark.

With all due respect, I think she's been jump roping a shark for well over a month now.

So true and so true of rural and small town Democrats like my Obama supporting Iowa farmer brother. They've been fighting the good fight at the local coffee shops and grain elevators for the last 20 years against their Rush Limbaugh listening neighbors. They don't need Hillary telling them that she's sided with the ditto heads all along.

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Someone should remind Hillary of her performance last year at the MSNBC debate. I wonder if her response to Brian Willams' question on gun ownership is also "not relevant":

http://www.docstrangelove.com/2008/04/13/hillary-clinton-from-tuzla-to-guns/

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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

It is, you are right :)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Much better! Thank you, idiotic!

Idiotic, I think I love you!

I think I do too.

This is what happens when you get out of your depth. Just ask Mitt Romney. Pandering on guns is a loser.

How long ago was Easter, anyway?

Like March 22nd or 23rd. Long time for one who's been touched by God.

When was Easter? Or when IS Easter. Depends. Easter, this year, as many, is not an absolute. In the Orthodox world Easter is two weeks away. So Hillary might still have time to make two Easter services this year. Think of the bragging rights (or rites).

Bill Clinton couldn't have parsed it better himself...under oath.

Wow. Deep and serious stuff.

I hope Obama wins, because another George W. Bush
in the white house will meet your intelligence and
comfort level.

OK, you've earned your $5 from Hillary. Don't take a check, though.

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Translation: I shot a gun once and now I'm trying to turn that one time into a sniper battle to boost my country street cred.

Transparent. Pathetic. Comical.

Apparently, Hillary Clinton was a strong gun control advocate in her run for the senate in 2000. She demanded licensing and registration of all handguns back then, but in a debate this January declared she's against a national gun registry. See more here on America Blog (includes hilarious photoshopping)

How much, and why, has she changed her position? Might be a good question for this week's debate.

Man, oh man. Wednesday's debate is going to be fun!

New York TPMers: Would it be even more fun to meet in some public place and watch it together?

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you can gather under your bridge.

Such bitterness.

The boomerang is on its way back.

On another note, this is like a tennis match or maybe it's just indicative of a very short attention span.

Are we pay attention to what really matters?
I dunno...

Don't act all surprised. Who didn't know she'd overplay this hand and end up the worser for it?

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This is what happens when the primary season drags on and on. There are no issues left to discuss, no policies left to explain, now we are officially in silly season.

What about Bill's gun? When's the last time he fired it?

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This answer should help with her "disingenuousness" problem.

"This is about what people feel is being said about them. I went to church on Easter. I mean, so?"

Hmmmm. Last politician I recall answering a question with a dismissive, defiant "so?" is Dick Cheney.

Not very artful, Hillary.

My new avatar is in honor of HRC - the rootinest, tootinest cowgirl this side of the Ozarks - yeehaw!

You and LeroyS -

I have been laughing all day. Thanks, Hillary!

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Perhaps she can choose Romney as her running mate.

Bittergate is all over the corporate media and the progreesive's continue this divisive bs.

His whole campaign, supporters and blogs are a freaking fraud.

No hope or unity just divisive politics as usual.

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Really? She doesn't get any of the blame for the divisiveness? Really?

The idea of a troll preaching unity is just hilarity.

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shorter getalife:

"Curses, foiled again!!!"

Bittergate is all over the corporate media and the progreesive's continue this divisive bs.

Well let's see, google right now:

Kenya coalition cabinet
Delta-Northwest merger
Inside the Polygamist Compound...

Democrats going after McCain on campaign finance...


Ok, CNN: the debate tonight

Bush and Pope Ratzi the Nazi

Spears wrecks her Merc...


don't see any bitterness there either.

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"What about Bill's gun? When's the last time he fired it?"

I think the more relevant question is when he fired it anywhere near Hillary.

It is very obvious and Clinton is attacking this fraud.

It is her new strategy to attack the divisive bs to show Obama is a fraud and just another lying politician.

Keep up the divisive crap, it helps her.

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It's posts like this that make me sure that gotalife isn't actually a Clinton supporter and is just having some fun on the ol' internets.

I mean, it's basically "Stop the divisivness!!" Followed by "Obama is a fraud and lier!" No sane person could really make two such contrary statements in such a short space.

Unless they think Obama is a fraud and a liar who pushes an us verses them divisiveness in his campaign...

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Gotalife, see you back over here fronm Huffingtonpost spreading your ilk!!!

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so far Obama for what ever reason has failed to be aggressive enough at the debates.

but this is the time to show her as the bosnia trade and gun lier she is.

anything less wont do.

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nice try trying to change the subject, tpm. nobody is forgetting obama's comments. here's to him going down in flames!

now, cue the trolls.

Okee, are you serious or just posting to get a rise out of people?

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Getalife,who knew you were the snarkiest Obama supporter at TPM? To think I've been fooled all along! You're Snark-o-licious Baby!

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From Kos:

"The politics of the Karl Rove era were designed to distract and divide the very people who would ordinarily be rebelling against the deterioration of their way of life. Working Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag" while their way of life shifted ineluctably beneath their feet." - Jim Webb

A more eloquent way of phrasing Obama's point, though this was from an op-ed rather than a speech so he had the luxury of preparation. Apparently these two guys aren't so dissimilar after all, though.

And they would make a great ticket! Obama-Webb-08.

This whole episode just reinforces the point that Obama has stayed true to himself, while Hillary has no core, so she tries to reinvent herself every five minutes and only comes across as inauthentic and pathetic.


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How pathetic. Does she shoot varmints like big game hunter Romney? Why bother try to cozy up to gun owners?

orking Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag" while their way of life shifted ineluctably beneath their feet.

This goes right to the heart of what's ailing this country and it's nothing new - everyone has talked about it, including the Clintons, before they went insane.

This is a real problem at the heart of everything and now she wants to play Karl Rove truthy games with this?

Ok, I officially now hate Hillary Clinton. This is a key goddamn issue. She's the most destructive thing I've seen happen to us since Karl Rove. Jimmy, get them out of here.

I'm with you, HusseinTenaX!

I think she definitely deserves the 'h' word. However, I can't help thanking her for personifying the death of old politics.

So what if it has been a while since she shot a gun? Is there a point to that?

At least she she has shot a gun? What about him.

And Obama Bin Lyin, he said in 1996 that these were his positions, all of which he denies now:

Opposed to parental notification on abortions. He amended this to say that he might possibly support it for 12- or 13-year-olds, but no older.

Flatly opposed the death penalty, a position he denied ever having.

Supported bans on the sale, possession, and manufacture of guns, again a position he denied ever taking.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/31/politico-obama-lied-about-survey/

He needs to get out of the race, cause there ain't no way he is going to win in Nobvember

Nice name and avatar.

He is one big fraud.

Hope and unity?

Lying and divisive is Obama, his supporters and progressive blogs.

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Yeah, nothing says non-divisiveness like making fun of Obamas name by linking him to the mastermind behind one of the biggest tragedies in American history.

This new snob meme reminds me of the old 'Kerry is French' talkingpoint promoted by the Republicans back in 04. If you are not a Republican, you certainly do imitate their style quite well, but then, so does Hillary.

He's still got a better shot at it than Hillary but his stock is dropping everyday. Almost as fast as hers.

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If firing a gun is a relevant issue in public office, then we ought to ask every candidate if he/she had fired a gun.

Hillary please cut the bull.

Talk radio will be on this and the Revered J. Wright's FIX News comments tomorrow and the rest of week. Let talk radio and MSM handle this now. Hit Obama on this issue Wednesday at the debate.

The National Review has a great read on Obama's story alterations.

Why Orwell Matters [Victor Davis Hanson]

Here is what Sen. Obama said:

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


Here is what Sen. Obama now says he said:


"So I said, 'Well, you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on,' " he continued. "So people they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country or they get frustrated about, you know, how things are changing. That's a natural response."


1. Note how version #1's "cling" becomes version #2's "vote about" and "take comfort from"—as the condescending dismissal becomes empathetic understanding.


2. Note how version #1's "religion" and "antipathy to people who aren't like them" becomes version #2's "faith" and "their family and community" —as fundamentalist xenophobes now become beleaguered folks who band together against the unfairness.


3 Note how version #1's "anti-immigrant" becomes version #2's "mad about illegal immigrants" —as the nativist who opposes all immigrants, legal and illegal, now becomes understandably angry only about those coming here illegally.


4. Note how version #1's "as a way to explain their frustrations" becomes version #2's "they get frustrated about" as the misguided scape-goaters become those who react understandably to adversity.


5. Note no explanation in version #2 for version #1's "anti-trade sentiment"—and no wonder since Obama himself is embarrassed that so far he's voiced far more "anti-trade sentiment" than those he caricatured.


6. Note how version #1's "And it's not surprising then they get bitter" becomes version #2's "your'e" and "you" and "Thats a natural response", as the condescending use of the embittered and distant "they" now morphs into a kindred "you" and the quip "not surprising" becomes the sympathetic "natural."


7. Note how version #1's idiotic logic that Middle-America has only become religious or pro-gun in the last 25 years as a result of job loss is simply omitted.

8. Note how there is sudddenly no "context" for the landscape of version #1: an elite Bay-area audience that is told stories about those Pennsylvanian gun-toting zealots.

With Obama, the clarifications (cf. the Wright and Michelle contextualizations) are always more interestig than the original lapse.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDA5YTc3YmJjM2U2NTdhNDJhYTFhMDk1YmU3ZTIxOTI

You get your news from the National Review? Are you on the wrong blog site?

What? To post on this site you can only read the NYTimes and watch CNN?

Marginal,

Antiquated politics. The Limbaugh days are over. Not this time.

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Note that you're still a towering dumbass.

Evidence on the ground in PA that Obama's comment are only being taken for blasphemy by Hillary, McCain, and a lot of the MSM, not by ordinary Pennsylvanians --

This guy is not an Obama voter, but says Obama was right about bitterness in Allentown:

http://wordpress.com/v/PgkyNxBZ

If this is the sentiment on the ground in PA, I can't imagine Hillary's shamelessly opportunistic pandering fit over this is going to do her reputation for honesty any good at all.

Of COURSE it doesn't matter when she fired a gun and when she last went to church.

It matters what she SAID about going to church and having guns.

The Republicans won't have anything to say about this one. HA!

Opposed to parental notification on abortions. He amended this to say that he might possibly support it for 12- or 13-year-olds, but no older.

Flatly opposed the death penalty, a position he denied ever having.

Supported bans on the sale, possession, and manufacture of guns, again a position he denied ever taking.

Dude, those things might make some Republican not like Obama, but those are progressive positions I appreciate in a candidate.

Furthermore, I think Americans are just ready for someone who will tell them the truth. I think they want that so bad right now that it's going to surprise you.

I can see it now.

The gop takes the obvious bias, divisive posts and comments to show the voters his hope and unity message does not work.

Nice work "progressives".

Bill O'Reilly does it for them silly.


The gop takes the obvious bias, divisive posts and comments to show the voters his hope and unity message does not work.

Nice work "progressives".

LOLOLOL!! Half of the Republican party doesn't know there is any such thing as the internet.

But besides all that - do you imagine that your comments here are that big a deal to the world? Let me disabuse you of that - I can promise you that we are not important. What is said here doesn't matter to anyone other than the people who are here and those who read it.


"LOLOLOL!! Half of the Republican party doesn't know there is any such thing as the internet."

Careful, that's the same mistake your boy Barak just made; we're nothing but a bunch of uneducated, church going gun toting hicks. Your "inclusive progressiveness" is showing.

Now, hold on just a minute. Didn't she bring up her own experiences with guns? Well, we certainly need to make sure we vet her on that, lest the GOP use it against us in November, right, Clinton? Certainly, you don't want to appear to be setting a double-standard.

Between dodging Bosnian sniper fire and her story about being a gun totin' tot, Hillary has formed her very own circular firing squad.

Not a moment too soon.

As someone who stood behind the Clintons throughout Blowjobgate, the aspect of this that sucks the worst is that so much of what Rush Limbaugh said about them is turning out to be true.

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EWWWW!

LeroyS, you and Marginal Player have brought meaning to the term AssHat. You, more for the symbolism of your aviator hat; MP for the written perspective s/he espouses.


As someone who stood behind the Clintons throughout Blowjobgate, the aspect of this that sucks the worst is that so much of what Rush Limbaugh said about them is turning out to be true.

I know - it makes me feel icky.


She hasn't lived without a security detail for almost 20 years. She has 100 Million Dollars.

And she's worried that Barack Obama is an "elitist"?

Save it Hillary. We're on to your disingenuis game. Just because you shot a gun when you were 5 doesn't mean you're a "woman of the people".

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"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," ~Bill Clinton

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"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"

~Bill Clinton

And I agreed with Bill then and I agree with Obama now.

"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," ~Bill Clinton


O excellent work

Not even close.

Obama failed to answer the bittergate question.

Boring forum.

You, sir, are just dumb. Or deaf. Either way, not a productive member of this debate. Or any debate you've pitched in.

Debate?:

Its an echo chamber and a post about the dumbest question this cycle.

It will be good when they debate and finally talk about the issues like bittergate.

Evidence on the ground in PA that Obama's comment are only being taken for blasphemy by Hillary, McCain, and a lot of the MSM, not by ordinary Pennsylvanians --

This guy is not an Obama voter, but says Obama was right about bitterness in Allentown:

http://wordpress.com/v/PgkyNxBZ

If this is the sentiment on the ground in PA, I can't imagine Hillary's shamelessly opportunistic pandering fit over this is going to do her reputation for honesty any good at all.

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I LOVE that someone said Hillary jumped the shark -- it is one of my favorite expressions.

Hillary is Hill-arious!

How can she claim something that she brought up in the course of the debate is not relevant to that very debate?

And if it isn't relevant to the debate then why would you add more facts about it (church on Easter) to that debate?

I know, it must have been late at night when she made this statement -- she is too tired... but wait a minute, the article was posted at 5 PM, maybe it happened today. Hmm. If she gets tired on a Sunday afternoon I'd hate to have her answering that call at 3 AM.

Her campaign makes absolutetly no sense.

but

The same way her husband got out of a perjury charge by saying "it depends on what the definition of is, is."

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Barack Obama just got the endorsement of [[Hillary's PA 'family roots' Scranton, PA] town newspaper, the Times-Tribune.

I read the editorial endorsement and all 146 comments. Most of the comments, and significantly, most of PA folks commenting were saluting the paper for endorsing Obama. It was wonderful to see that those folks understood what Obama was saying about the small town problems, instead of following Hillary's spin on that.

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Those of us who actually live in small towns or rural areas see that the poor didn’t go away when welfare as we know it went away. They just sunk a little more out of sight. I agree that Obama is a centrist, not my cup of orange juice, needless to say, but he actually trusted the American public to understand just how they have been manipulated by successive ReThug administrations & Congresses. I understand perfectly well what he is talking about, I see it every day in the small town I visit for coffee, oh damn, I just identified myself as a, regular person, at least according the to wealthy, gated community types who criticized Obama’s talk. Every small attempt, let’s see, to improve pedestrian & bicyclist access to The Big Lake is seen as some sort of Communist attempt to take land from some holy entrepreneur who has a “some day, maybe” plan. It’s no different here than in PA. I came to the conclusion that people will respond to leadership that doesn’t bullshit them.

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"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," ~Bill Clinton


That's funny, when Bill Clinton says it, no problem.

When Obama says it, the media wet their pants with fake outrage.

SO? Who does she think she is, Dick Cheney? Wait! That would explain so much! She's been running a campaign Cheney would be proud of!

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Hillary's campaign makes absolute sense if you just remember that she's running on the REPUBLICAN ticket.

I hope that she knows beter than to go duck hunting with Cheney....there might be another "accident".

I LOVE that someone said Hillary jumped the shark -- it is one of my favorite expressions.

Thanks - mine too.


Aw, c'mon, if Hill could shoot, would Bill still be with us?

Great comment JEPO7, I will have to remember that one.

Why would she? He's her meal ticket and one claim to fame.

CNN is saying Obama failed to answer bittergate too in the forum tonite.

Still ongoing because he will not apologize.

But lets talk about when Clinton shot a gun.

Geez.