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Clinton: When I Last Fired A Gun Is "Not A Relevant Question"
When asked to elaborate on her experiences with guns and religion -- after her remarks yesterday about having been taught to shoot by her dad -- Hillary Clinton said that such a question "is not a relevant question in this debate."
Rather, the issue is about how the Democratic Party and its attitudes are perceived by working-class voters. "We can answer that some other time," Clinton told a press conference. "This is about what people feel is being said about them. I went to church on Easter. I mean, so?"
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HAHAHAHAH! It has begun.
Seriously 100 Mil Hill, come on out to the desert w me. We have a few 22s and an M1 Carbine. Load the clip, fire it at the sniper cutouts and hit it and I will give you my vote in a gift wrapped bag.
Hillary Clinton! Champion of the 2nd Amendment! Snipers beware!
April 13, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama compares Hillary to Annie Oakley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo
Popcorn time.
April 13, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Annie Oakley never shot down her voters.
April 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
With a wave of her hand, she assures us that we needn't be concerned with the authenticity of her claims to being a certified gun enthusiast.
Give her a break. Her shooting experience at age nine was as a sniper in Bosnia. Obviously she can't talk about it. This also explains how she got confused about the previous sniper/Bosnia story.
April 13, 2008 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's sort of like she's trying to use Jedi mind tricks on the General Public. With a wave of her hand, she assures us that we needn't be concerned with the authenticity of her claims to being a certified gun enthusiast. Unfortunately, this trick only works on weak-minded individuals.
My new avatar is in honor of HRC - the rootinest, tootinest cowgirl this side of the Ozarks - yeehaw!
April 13, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, it's at times like these that I feel I have somehow landed on a different planet. Sorta like the twilight zone or something. When the position of the most powerful person in the world starts to turn on whether or not they have shot/owned/killed other living things with guns . . . I mean jeez. C'mon people!
But, then again, the nominee for the other side thinks it is funny to sing about bombing other countries.
Maybe I am the weird one afterall.
April 14, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
so its been a while huh hill?
April 13, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
More hilarity from Hillary.
OK Hillary, next question, "Why does your husband continue to bring up the exagerrated Bosnia-sniper story?"
She is so pathetic.
April 13, 2008 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this change I can believe in? I think yes.
April 13, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
"This is about what people feel is being said about them."
ie. not what is actually being said about them, but what the MSM tells them is being said about them and why they should be offended.
I don't think the people working two or three jobs will be able to explain what this fake controversy is about. They would likely respond that Obama said some comment about people being "bitter", whatever that means.
In truth, the media & HRC are being condescending here -- pretending that the voters are too stupid to get the "What's the matter with Kansas" discussion.
April 13, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's just hope this is the beginning of her over reaching coming back to haunt her. We all know she went too far in her effort to pander to rural PA voters in her attack on Obama; but only time will tell if the press will have as much enthusiasm for that story as they have for Obama's so called "bitter-gate".
April 13, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
It does appear so. Her support is slipping even with her most loyal demographic, white women.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/33411.html
April 13, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Foot, meet shot.
LOL.
April 13, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she has officially jumped the shark.
April 13, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
With all due respect, I think she's been jump roping a shark for well over a month now.
April 13, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
So true and so true of rural and small town Democrats like my Obama supporting Iowa farmer brother. They've been fighting the good fight at the local coffee shops and grain elevators for the last 20 years against their Rush Limbaugh listening neighbors. They don't need Hillary telling them that she's sided with the ditto heads all along.
April 13, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone should remind Hillary of her performance last year at the MSNBC debate. I wonder if her response to Brian Willams' question on gun ownership is also "not relevant":
http://www.docstrangelove.com/2008/04/13/hillary-clinton-from-tuzla-to-guns/
April 13, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
April 13, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is, you are right :)
April 13, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Much better! Thank you, idiotic!
April 13, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Idiotic, I think I love you!
April 13, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I do too.
April 13, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is what happens when you get out of your depth. Just ask Mitt Romney. Pandering on guns is a loser.
How long ago was Easter, anyway?
April 13, 2008 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like March 22nd or 23rd. Long time for one who's been touched by God.
April 13, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
When was Easter? Or when IS Easter. Depends. Easter, this year, as many, is not an absolute. In the Orthodox world Easter is two weeks away. So Hillary might still have time to make two Easter services this year. Think of the bragging rights (or rites).
April 14, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Clinton couldn't have parsed it better himself...under oath.
April 14, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Deep and serious stuff.
I hope Obama wins, because another George W. Bush
in the white house will meet your intelligence and
comfort level.
April 13, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, you've earned your $5 from Hillary. Don't take a check, though.
April 13, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Translation: I shot a gun once and now I'm trying to turn that one time into a sniper battle to boost my country street cred.
Transparent. Pathetic. Comical.
April 13, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently, Hillary Clinton was a strong gun control advocate in her run for the senate in 2000. She demanded licensing and registration of all handguns back then, but in a debate this January declared she's against a national gun registry. See more here on America Blog (includes hilarious photoshopping)
How much, and why, has she changed her position? Might be a good question for this week's debate.
April 13, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Man, oh man. Wednesday's debate is going to be fun!
New York TPMers: Would it be even more fun to meet in some public place and watch it together?
April 13, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
you can gather under your bridge.
April 13, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Such bitterness.
April 13, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The boomerang is on its way back.
On another note, this is like a tennis match or maybe it's just indicative of a very short attention span.
Are we pay attention to what really matters?
I dunno...
April 13, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't act all surprised. Who didn't know she'd overplay this hand and end up the worser for it?
April 13, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is what happens when the primary season drags on and on. There are no issues left to discuss, no policies left to explain, now we are officially in silly season.
April 13, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What about Bill's gun? When's the last time he fired it?
April 13, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
This answer should help with her "disingenuousness" problem.
April 13, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You and LeroyS -
I have been laughing all day. Thanks, Hillary!
April 13, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"This is about what people feel is being said about them. I went to church on Easter. I mean, so?"
Hmmmm. Last politician I recall answering a question with a dismissive, defiant "so?" is Dick Cheney.
Not very artful, Hillary.
April 13, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps she can choose Romney as her running mate.
April 13, 2008 7:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bittergate is all over the corporate media and the progreesive's continue this divisive bs.
His whole campaign, supporters and blogs are a freaking fraud.
No hope or unity just divisive politics as usual.
April 13, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? She doesn't get any of the blame for the divisiveness? Really?
The idea of a troll preaching unity is just hilarity.
April 13, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
shorter getalife:
"Curses, foiled again!!!"
April 13, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well let's see, google right now:
Kenya coalition cabinet
Delta-Northwest merger
Inside the Polygamist Compound...
Democrats going after McCain on campaign finance...
April 13, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, CNN: the debate tonight
Bush and Pope Ratzi the Nazi
Spears wrecks her Merc...
don't see any bitterness there either.
April 13, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
"What about Bill's gun? When's the last time he fired it?"
I think the more relevant question is when he fired it anywhere near Hillary.
April 13, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is very obvious and Clinton is attacking this fraud.
It is her new strategy to attack the divisive bs to show Obama is a fraud and just another lying politician.
Keep up the divisive crap, it helps her.
April 13, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's posts like this that make me sure that gotalife isn't actually a Clinton supporter and is just having some fun on the ol' internets.
I mean, it's basically "Stop the divisivness!!" Followed by "Obama is a fraud and lier!" No sane person could really make two such contrary statements in such a short space.
April 13, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unless they think Obama is a fraud and a liar who pushes an us verses them divisiveness in his campaign...
April 14, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gotalife, see you back over here fronm Huffingtonpost spreading your ilk!!!
April 14, 2008 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
so far Obama for what ever reason has failed to be aggressive enough at the debates.
but this is the time to show her as the bosnia trade and gun lier she is.
anything less wont do.
April 13, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
nice try trying to change the subject, tpm. nobody is forgetting obama's comments. here's to him going down in flames!
now, cue the trolls.
April 13, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okee, are you serious or just posting to get a rise out of people?
April 13, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Getalife,who knew you were the snarkiest Obama supporter at TPM? To think I've been fooled all along! You're Snark-o-licious Baby!
April 13, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Kos:
"The politics of the Karl Rove era were designed to distract and divide the very people who would ordinarily be rebelling against the deterioration of their way of life. Working Americans have been repeatedly seduced at the polls by emotional issues such as the predictable mantra of "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag" while their way of life shifted ineluctably beneath their feet." - Jim Webb
A more eloquent way of phrasing Obama's point, though this was from an op-ed rather than a speech so he had the luxury of preparation. Apparently these two guys aren't so dissimilar after all, though.
April 13, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And they would make a great ticket! Obama-Webb-08.
This whole episode just reinforces the point that Obama has stayed true to himself, while Hillary has no core, so she tries to reinvent herself every five minutes and only comes across as inauthentic and pathetic.
April 13, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
How pathetic. Does she shoot varmints like big game hunter Romney? Why bother try to cozy up to gun owners?
April 13, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
This goes right to the heart of what's ailing this country and it's nothing new - everyone has talked about it, including the Clintons, before they went insane.
This is a real problem at the heart of everything and now she wants to play Karl Rove truthy games with this?
Ok, I officially now hate Hillary Clinton. This is a key goddamn issue. She's the most destructive thing I've seen happen to us since Karl Rove. Jimmy, get them out of here.
April 13, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you, HusseinTenaX!
April 13, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she definitely deserves the 'h' word. However, I can't help thanking her for personifying the death of old politics.
April 13, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what if it has been a while since she shot a gun? Is there a point to that?
At least she she has shot a gun? What about him.
And Obama Bin Lyin, he said in 1996 that these were his positions, all of which he denies now:
Opposed to parental notification on abortions. He amended this to say that he might possibly support it for 12- or 13-year-olds, but no older.
Flatly opposed the death penalty, a position he denied ever having.
Supported bans on the sale, possession, and manufacture of guns, again a position he denied ever taking.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/31/politico-obama-lied-about-survey/
He needs to get out of the race, cause there ain't no way he is going to win in Nobvember
April 13, 2008 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice name and avatar.
He is one big fraud.
Hope and unity?
Lying and divisive is Obama, his supporters and progressive blogs.
April 13, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, nothing says non-divisiveness like making fun of Obamas name by linking him to the mastermind behind one of the biggest tragedies in American history.
April 13, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
This new snob meme reminds me of the old 'Kerry is French' talkingpoint promoted by the Republicans back in 04. If you are not a Republican, you certainly do imitate their style quite well, but then, so does Hillary.
April 13, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's still got a better shot at it than Hillary but his stock is dropping everyday. Almost as fast as hers.
April 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
If firing a gun is a relevant issue in public office, then we ought to ask every candidate if he/she had fired a gun.
April 13, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary please cut the bull.
Talk radio will be on this and the Revered J. Wright's FIX News comments tomorrow and the rest of week. Let talk radio and MSM handle this now. Hit Obama on this issue Wednesday at the debate.
The National Review has a great read on Obama's story alterations.
Why Orwell Matters [Victor Davis Hanson]
Here is what Sen. Obama said:
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Here is what Sen. Obama now says he said:
"So I said, 'Well, you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on,' " he continued. "So people they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country or they get frustrated about, you know, how things are changing. That's a natural response."
1. Note how version #1's "cling" becomes version #2's "vote about" and "take comfort from"—as the condescending dismissal becomes empathetic understanding.
2. Note how version #1's "religion" and "antipathy to people who aren't like them" becomes version #2's "faith" and "their family and community" —as fundamentalist xenophobes now become beleaguered folks who band together against the unfairness.
3 Note how version #1's "anti-immigrant" becomes version #2's "mad about illegal immigrants" —as the nativist who opposes all immigrants, legal and illegal, now becomes understandably angry only about those coming here illegally.
4. Note how version #1's "as a way to explain their frustrations" becomes version #2's "they get frustrated about" as the misguided scape-goaters become those who react understandably to adversity.
5. Note no explanation in version #2 for version #1's "anti-trade sentiment"—and no wonder since Obama himself is embarrassed that so far he's voiced far more "anti-trade sentiment" than those he caricatured.
6. Note how version #1's "And it's not surprising then they get bitter" becomes version #2's "your'e" and "you" and "Thats a natural response", as the condescending use of the embittered and distant "they" now morphs into a kindred "you" and the quip "not surprising" becomes the sympathetic "natural."
7. Note how version #1's idiotic logic that Middle-America has only become religious or pro-gun in the last 25 years as a result of job loss is simply omitted.
8. Note how there is sudddenly no "context" for the landscape of version #1: an elite Bay-area audience that is told stories about those Pennsylvanian gun-toting zealots.
With Obama, the clarifications (cf. the Wright and Michelle contextualizations) are always more interestig than the original lapse.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDA5YTc3YmJjM2U2NTdhNDJhYTFhMDk1YmU3ZTIxOTI
April 13, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You get your news from the National Review? Are you on the wrong blog site?
April 13, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
What? To post on this site you can only read the NYTimes and watch CNN?
April 14, 2008 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal,
Antiquated politics. The Limbaugh days are over. Not this time.
April 13, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Note that you're still a towering dumbass.
April 13, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Evidence on the ground in PA that Obama's comment are only being taken for blasphemy by Hillary, McCain, and a lot of the MSM, not by ordinary Pennsylvanians --
This guy is not an Obama voter, but says Obama was right about bitterness in Allentown:
http://wordpress.com/v/PgkyNxBZ
If this is the sentiment on the ground in PA, I can't imagine Hillary's shamelessly opportunistic pandering fit over this is going to do her reputation for honesty any good at all.
April 13, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of COURSE it doesn't matter when she fired a gun and when she last went to church.
It matters what she SAID about going to church and having guns.
The Republicans won't have anything to say about this one. HA!
April 13, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, those things might make some Republican not like Obama, but those are progressive positions I appreciate in a candidate.
Furthermore, I think Americans are just ready for someone who will tell them the truth. I think they want that so bad right now that it's going to surprise you.
April 13, 2008 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can see it now.
The gop takes the obvious bias, divisive posts and comments to show the voters his hope and unity message does not work.
Nice work "progressives".
April 13, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill O'Reilly does it for them silly.
April 13, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOLOLOL!! Half of the Republican party doesn't know there is any such thing as the internet.
But besides all that - do you imagine that your comments here are that big a deal to the world? Let me disabuse you of that - I can promise you that we are not important. What is said here doesn't matter to anyone other than the people who are here and those who read it.
April 13, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
"LOLOLOL!! Half of the Republican party doesn't know there is any such thing as the internet."
Careful, that's the same mistake your boy Barak just made; we're nothing but a bunch of uneducated, church going gun toting hicks. Your "inclusive progressiveness" is showing.
April 14, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, hold on just a minute. Didn't she bring up her own experiences with guns? Well, we certainly need to make sure we vet her on that, lest the GOP use it against us in November, right, Clinton? Certainly, you don't want to appear to be setting a double-standard.
April 13, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Between dodging Bosnian sniper fire and her story about being a gun totin' tot, Hillary has formed her very own circular firing squad.
Not a moment too soon.
April 13, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
As someone who stood behind the Clintons throughout Blowjobgate, the aspect of this that sucks the worst is that so much of what Rush Limbaugh said about them is turning out to be true.
April 13, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
EWWWW!
April 13, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
LeroyS, you and Marginal Player have brought meaning to the term AssHat. You, more for the symbolism of your aviator hat; MP for the written perspective s/he espouses.
April 14, 2008 12:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know - it makes me feel icky.
April 13, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
She hasn't lived without a security detail for almost 20 years. She has 100 Million Dollars.
And she's worried that Barack Obama is an "elitist"?
Save it Hillary. We're on to your disingenuis game. Just because you shot a gun when you were 5 doesn't mean you're a "woman of the people".
April 13, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," ~Bill Clinton
April 13, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"
~Bill Clinton
And I agreed with Bill then and I agree with Obama now.
April 13, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
O excellent work
April 13, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not even close.
Obama failed to answer the bittergate question.
Boring forum.
April 13, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
You, sir, are just dumb. Or deaf. Either way, not a productive member of this debate. Or any debate you've pitched in.
April 13, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Debate?:
Its an echo chamber and a post about the dumbest question this cycle.
It will be good when they debate and finally talk about the issues like bittergate.
April 13, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Evidence on the ground in PA that Obama's comment are only being taken for blasphemy by Hillary, McCain, and a lot of the MSM, not by ordinary Pennsylvanians --
This guy is not an Obama voter, but says Obama was right about bitterness in Allentown:
http://wordpress.com/v/PgkyNxBZ
If this is the sentiment on the ground in PA, I can't imagine Hillary's shamelessly opportunistic pandering fit over this is going to do her reputation for honesty any good at all.
April 13, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I LOVE that someone said Hillary jumped the shark -- it is one of my favorite expressions.
Hillary is Hill-arious!
How can she claim something that she brought up in the course of the debate is not relevant to that very debate?
And if it isn't relevant to the debate then why would you add more facts about it (church on Easter) to that debate?
I know, it must have been late at night when she made this statement -- she is too tired... but wait a minute, the article was posted at 5 PM, maybe it happened today. Hmm. If she gets tired on a Sunday afternoon I'd hate to have her answering that call at 3 AM.
Her campaign makes absolutetly no sense.
but
April 13, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
The same way her husband got out of a perjury charge by saying "it depends on what the definition of is, is."
April 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack Obama just got the endorsement of [[Hillary's PA 'family roots' Scranton, PA] town newspaper, the Times-Tribune.
I read the editorial endorsement and all 146 comments. Most of the comments, and significantly, most of PA folks commenting were saluting the paper for endorsing Obama. It was wonderful to see that those folks understood what Obama was saying about the small town problems, instead of following Hillary's spin on that.
April 13, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those of us who actually live in small towns or rural areas see that the poor didn’t go away when welfare as we know it went away. They just sunk a little more out of sight. I agree that Obama is a centrist, not my cup of orange juice, needless to say, but he actually trusted the American public to understand just how they have been manipulated by successive ReThug administrations & Congresses. I understand perfectly well what he is talking about, I see it every day in the small town I visit for coffee, oh damn, I just identified myself as a, regular person, at least according the to wealthy, gated community types who criticized Obama’s talk. Every small attempt, let’s see, to improve pedestrian & bicyclist access to The Big Lake is seen as some sort of Communist attempt to take land from some holy entrepreneur who has a “some day, maybe” plan. It’s no different here than in PA. I came to the conclusion that people will respond to leadership that doesn’t bullshit them.
April 13, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," ~Bill Clinton
That's funny, when Bill Clinton says it, no problem.
When Obama says it, the media wet their pants with fake outrage.
April 13, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
SO? Who does she think she is, Dick Cheney? Wait! That would explain so much! She's been running a campaign Cheney would be proud of!
April 13, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's campaign makes absolute sense if you just remember that she's running on the REPUBLICAN ticket.
April 13, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope that she knows beter than to go duck hunting with Cheney....there might be another "accident".
April 14, 2008 4:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks - mine too.
April 13, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, c'mon, if Hill could shoot, would Bill still be with us?
April 13, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great comment JEPO7, I will have to remember that one.
April 14, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why would she? He's her meal ticket and one claim to fame.
April 14, 2008 7:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
CNN is saying Obama failed to answer bittergate too in the forum tonite.
Still ongoing because he will not apologize.
But lets talk about when Clinton shot a gun.
Geez.
April 13, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're absolutely right, gota.
Hillary should never have fired up Annie Rodham Oakliegate in the middle of her phony hand-wringing over Obama echoing her husband's talking points.
Why did she bring this up? Why did she make her gunfighting days an issue so closely on the heels of Snipers & Corkscrewsgate?
One thing's for sure: I don't want this scatterbrain anywhere near the White House.
April 14, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
And, of course, Hillary couldn't even take a break from her phony outrage and her desperation for tonight's Compassion Forum. She still had to try to get her shots in. How petty.
You'd think one of her advisers could have taken her aside and explained what the word "compassion" means before she went on so that she'd understand what she was there for.
April 13, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am so sick of Hillary, I hope there's another debate in the future, because I'm sure Obama will nail it to her.
April 13, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe you guys missed this quote from Mrs. Clinton:
“You don’t have to think back too far to remember that good men running for president were viewed as being elitist and out of touch with the values and lives of millions of Americans,” she said.
Good freakin' grief--now she has to go bashing Kerry (or was it Bush senior? It's hard to tell . . .).
April 13, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's amazing how she was able to carefully slip in something about going to church while simultaneously saying that such things don't matter.
April 13, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama failed to answer the bittergate question.
Boring forum.
Oh, when you say "failed to answer the bittergate question," I take it you mean he failed to snipe and turn it into petty, deceitful attacks the way she did.
Yes, I can see why you were bored. You miss Rove, don't you.
April 13, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama failed to answer the bittergate question.
Boring forum.
Oh, when you say "failed to answer the bittergate question," I take it you mean he failed to snipe and turn it into petty, deceitful attacks the way she did.
Yes, I can see why you were bored. You miss Rove, don't you.
April 13, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmmm.... Went to church on Easter, like all the rest of the upper crust... Hillary, doesn't even know when she is being an elitist.
April 13, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I fully expect Hillary to show up at the next debate with her new mascot,and sidekick "Poochie", the ultra-cool, hip, surfer dog.
Jumped the shark....snerk
April 13, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nobody's telling when the Clinton gun was fired last 'cause it's the one Cheney used to shoot his friend in the face and it's evidence.
April 13, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone seen this?
www.bittervoters.org
Funny as hell. Way too professional, but funny.
April 13, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to gotalife, Senator 8linton heroically grabbed the M-16 from a cowarding Marine Sargent and repealed a sniper attack in Bosina. Apparently gotalife is also following up on a lead where Her Royale Crownship managed to killed 132 guys named Al Kyda with her laser vision.
April 13, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 13, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Eric...
I think there's a problem with your headline.
Over on CNN, it CLEARLY says "Not relevant last time I went to church, fired a gun"
You left out that she is basically saying she can't remember the last time she went to church.
April 13, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Eric...
I think there's a problem with your headline.
Over on CNN, it CLEARLY says "Not relevant last time I went to church, fired a gun"
You left out that she is basically saying she can't remember the last time she went to church.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/13/clinton-not-relevant-last-time-i-went-to-church-fired-gun/
April 13, 2008 10:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Evidence on the ground in PA that Obama's comment are only being taken for blasphemy by Hillary, McCain, and a lot of the MSM, not by ordinary Pennsylvanians. This guy is not an Obama voter, but says Obama was right about bitterness in small town PA:
http://wordpress.com/v/PgkyNxBZ
If this is the sentiment on the ground in PA, I can't imagine Hillary's shamelessly opportunistic pandering fit over this is going to do her reputation for honesty any good at all.
April 13, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your avatar is fantastic.
April 13, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Evidence on the ground in PA that Obama's comment are only being taken for blasphemy by Hillary, McCain, and a lot of the MSM, not by ordinary Pennsylvanians --
This guy is not an Obama voter, but says Obama was right about bitterness in Allentown:
http://wordpress.com/v/PgkyNxBZ
If this is the sentiment on the ground in PA, I can't imagine Hillary's shamelessly opportunistic pandering fit over this is going to do her reputation for honesty any good at all.
April 13, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy shit. When he starts talking about Hillary acting like Annie Oakley, carrying a 6-shooter around, it's just hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo&eurl=http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/
April 13, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if she shoots better than she bowls.
April 13, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Bosnians weren't sniping at Annie Rodham Oakley. They were returning fire!
April 13, 2008 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary used to decry the right wing conspiracy. Now she echoes it.
April 13, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guns & Easter? What the hell?
They shoot ducks on Easter?
I'm confused--please pass the pate' & toast.
April 13, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama: "Shame on her", "she knows better"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo
This is what I'm talking about!!!!
"Obama Turns Tables on Clinton
STEELTON, Penn. (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama lashed out Sunday at rival Hillary Rodham Clinton, mocking her vocal support for gun rights and saying her record in the Senate and as first lady belied her stated commitment to working class voters and their concerns.
"She knows better. Shame on her. Shame on her," Obama told an audience at a union hall here."
April 13, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes, Obama will not be swiftboated.
just think what would of happened if Kerry responded like this over attacks on his war record.
April 13, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The crowd was United Steelworkers Union in Steelton, sounded like they want change as well.
April 13, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
After seeing the Clinton commentary on this, my only conclusion is that if she is the Democratic nominee, I'll be actively working against her campaign.
April 13, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player and gotalife are clearly suffering from Fear of a Barack Planet.
April 13, 2008 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player and gotalife are clearly suffering from Fear of a Barack Planet.
April 13, 2008 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player and gotalife are clearly suffering from Fear of a Barack Planet.
April 13, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ofcourse it's not relevant, she's not running for hunter in chief. I am glad she's not out there putting on some silly custom like John Kerry did and pandering to folks who like to shoot harmless creatures.
April 14, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Marginal Player and gotalife are clearly suffering from Fear of a Barack Planet.
April 14, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn the comments system!!!
Apologies to you all. It kept telling me there was an error.
April 14, 2008 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Head in sand syndrome seems to be epidemic here.
His gaffe may be the end of him... and you guys don't even seem to understand why it was so serious.
Now Obama thinks he can make it go away by ridiculing HRC. How's that going to work? Well, it will on the converted, but not on the fence sitters, and certainly not on HRC's supporters... who vote by the way.
April 14, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Compare Obama's response on the "bitter" comment to Clinton's response to questions about her husband taking $800,000 from groups supporting the Colombian trade deal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeQ6dxGMFA
Then compare the media coverage of these two issues. Hillary Clinton's response, if given half the exhaustive media attention Obama got, would end her campaign.
Looking for a link to Clinton's response, I ran across this clip, entitled "Hillary Can't Answer Question on Colombiahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXMr29d89ek&feature=related
April 14, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a great point. Clinton didn't even try to answer that much more important question and all the media could talk about was "the return of Clinton's trademark laugh."
And it was very frustrating tonight (yes, even made me a little bitter) to watch the CNN folks try to protect their initial over-the-top reaction to the "bitter" story by saying "it's definitely not over yet" and that he didn't address the issue well enough. (They never explained exactly what part he failed to address . . . )
As with the Wright story, when the guilty media parties start to think they might have egg on their faces and start tripping all over themselves to scream "This story isn't over yet!", it probably means it's just about over.
April 14, 2008 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hidee-ho...Mr. Hanky--and they told me you were dead...
April 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trying that again:
Looking for a link to Clinton's response, I ran across this clip, entitled "Hillary Can't Answer Question on Colombia":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXMr29d89ek&feature=related
April 14, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish Obama had held up a ten spot and said this belongs to whoever producedes the first evidence hillary duck hunting, something along the lines of the video of her running from snipers.
She and her husband are really turning into
parodys of themselves - what a couple of clowns.
April 14, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
The way she's keeping the guns and hunting story going, building it up more each time, we'll soon find ourselves back on the tarmac in Tuzla. Snipers and ducks.
April 14, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Head in sand syndrome seems to be epidemic here.
His gaffe may be the end of him... and you guys don't even seem to understand why it was so serious."
I genuinely don't see the problem with Obama's remarks other than the word "cling." A better verb would have diminished the potential for controversy. I would have picked "trust." As in:
"Democrats and Republicans have let small town communities down, allowing jobs to go overseas while the costs of health care, gas and food, climb relentlessly higher. So small town Pennsylvania voters trust in their church, their guns, and their fear of immigrants more than they trust the government."
This is an arguably true statement, made many times by left-leaning politicians in the past. Small town voters have been left behind. The heartland makes a good poster, and politicians love to extoll heartland values, but both parties have failed these communities.
So, these communites find their strength in the only people they can trust: themselves. They bond to each other, and their church, and learn to distrust carpetbaggers and rainmakers that turn them into symbols of America with one hand and stab them in the back with the other.
Obama is trying to appeal to them with the idea that he does actually represent their interests. This is a tough sell because no politician has represented their best interests since FDR.
Obama is waging a campaign against APATHY. Apathy has been the single biggest voter issue and the biggest wedge that divides America from itself. Apathy is best represented by the statement, "why bother?" Whoever you vote for doesn't matter because they all represent the same interests. Apathy has been a deliberate voter suppression tactic for generations.
Clinton feeds into apathy and so does McCain. They are both deliberately painting themselves as similar in every way except for wedge issues in which turning out the base is crucial. That is why they are teaming up against Obama, who is actually running a campaign based on record voter turnout.
By trying to paint him as the "elite" candidate, they are appealing to voter apathy. I think it is disgusting. All the Clinton trolls here are doing the same thing by turning Obama into a "typical corrupt politician," with their endless speculative astroturf hit jobs. Clinton trolls are always chicken littles... whatever issue that seems a detriment to Obama is followed by a chorus of "this is it," and "it's over now." I believe that these troll supporters are corrosive and most of them are actually right wingers playing smear the queer.
April 14, 2008 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton is the queen of selective relevance.
April 14, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton is the queen of selective relevance.
April 14, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary Clinton is the queen of selective relevance.
April 14, 2008 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Strange how it is that with all that is written and said about Hillary Clinton, the very mention of her membership in the DLC never comes up. Why do you think that is? After all, it's part of her resume. And considering how Clinton has made 'experience' the focal point of her campaign, doesn't it seem a little odd that she never mentions the DLC at all? And in a time when the talking-heads continually repeat the mantra that's there's no real difference between Clinton and Obama, wouldn't it seem logical to point out this little nugget of difference?
April 14, 2008 6:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent observation! And isn't it true that Obama was approached to join the DLC and refused? If so, all the more reason he should be the nominee.
April 14, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
From his own mouth he has now lost PA, he is close to losing NC/IND/WV, will lose PR and now the SD are rethinking his chances vs Walnuts. He is a loser. She only needs to wait him out, he will screw it up on his own....what a moron.
April 14, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
THE MAGIC NUMBER
Here’s what we have after considering the information in the Polls section below:
Senator Obama’s Magic Number – 93 of 304 remaining superdelegates needed, or 30.6%
Senator Clinton’s Magic Number – 230 of 304 remaining superdelegates needed, or 75.7%
The Huckabee Index – 74 (or 24.3% of remaining superdelegates needed)
The “Huckabee Index” is the number of any combination of superdelegates and convention/caucus delegates that the Obama campaign needs (or the Clinton campaign loses) to make it mathematically impossible for the Clinton campaign to win the nomination, based on current delegate count and polls for upcoming contests. (Disclaimer: This is meant to poke fun at Mike Huckabee, not Hillary Clinton)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5493720
April 14, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Power-brokers remember their success with the clip of Howard Dean and think they can repeat it at will with any candidate. The real condescension is on the part of the Clinton campaign (and Republicans who want her to be the Democratic nominee) - the presumption that voters are dim-witted enough to buy the spin and give up Obama.
Voters are taking back the democratic process from the media moguls and spin-meisters and the Rove/Penn "strategists" and it starts here.
April 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Considering HRC's of lying, there is no reason to believe her assertion that she has ever fired a gun. In fact, her lies vis-a-vis Bosnia suggests she doesn't have a clue as to what gun fire is... in other words, there is no difference between HRC and McBush... they are both spoiled children of the Washington establishment....
April 20, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink