"I always get the first question . . . "
"Did you see last week's Saturday Night Live?"

THAT isn't whining???

You know, whenever you hear Bill use the word "tickled," a big, fat piece of bullshit is sure to follow.

I didn't hear her whining

he should listen to his wife. She's whined plenty in this primary!

He should be happy about the debate, they didn't bring up his work for Columbia, or question his lies about when his wife lied, etc

Not whining?

"Can I just point out in the last several debates, I seem to get the first question all the time, and I don’t mind, I’ll be happy to field them. I just find it curious that I keep getting the first question on all the issues."

hilary has been whining thru out her campaign

"I have to say Senator Clinton looked in her element … She was taking every opportunity to get a dig in there,” Obama said Thursday in Raleigh, N.C. “That’s her right. That’s her right to kind of twist the knife a little bit … that’s why she’s only airing negative attacks on TV in Pennsylvania like most places. I understand that because that’s the textbook Washington game.”

Well, boo hoo!

Not Whining?

"If anybody saw Saturday Night Live . . . maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable and needs another pillow."

new clinton attack. he's a whiner. let's see how that works.

The victim card is, quite frankly, all she's had to play for weeks.

And I seem to remember Bill saying something not long ago about "it's okay to pick on the girl" ('cause it's okay to refer to a sixty year old US Senator and presidential candidate as a "girl" when you're trying to raise money and votes by whining).

it always comes around to him doesn't it.

She also has nothing to loose by this kind of crap. Obama has a general election coming up, and having a major news organization basically stamp the RNC logo on their entire debate can be pretty annoying.
two side notes:
1. I wouldn't be supprised if this is a long term net financial loss for ABC. Sure it was the most highly viewed debate this year, but if that means that Obama is less willing to agree to as many future debates, this could hurt their bottom line. Then they would in the future be pressured to ask legitamate questions that matter. Also, this is not good for their image (especially with the democratic party).
2. With regards to the not whining comment.. WTF? Her entire campaign has been one extended whine about unfair media treatment, caucuses, states with black people, Obama outspending. Furthermore, the last month has basically been a drawn out "Waaaaaaa... I didn't win, so screw this other guy!" Is Bill Clinton trying to wipe the LewinskyGate slate clean by forcing people to remember him as one giant self-parody machine rather than just that creepy jackass who all but handed the presidency, congress and senate to the Republicans?

He is very, very far beneath contempt.

I can't believe I ever respected that man or his wife.

Does anyone honestly think a Clinton administration won't end up being a Democratic version of the Bush administration? Clinton is equally as shameless and power hungry and after last night clearly as Republican.

But then. . . we already knew that Bill doesn't pay much attention to his wife, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised that he hasn't heard all of her whining.

And I'll give you one guess who said this:

"We should have a good debate that uses accurate information, not false, misleading and discredited information, especially on something as important as whether or not we will achieve quality, affordable health care for everyone."

Whatever. June 3rd it will all be over. No more Clintons to kick around (except those of us in NY State).

Say whatever you want Bill.

As everyone else pointed out, we did hear HER whining very loudly. Literally whining. Not supporters, but her!

Go away Bill.

Gotta, love Bill C! One man's poisonous politics is another man's whining! Cute.

Excellent point by the Great president of Peace and Prosperity. Obama and his supporters are the whiniest bunch of whining whiners ever in the history of the human race. How dare anyone ask Saint Obama a tough question, they obviously are either Republican shills, racists if they are white, or uncle toms if they Black. Yes, they were tough questions. They were pointed. They brought up uncomfortable subjects. Wake up to scrutiny, something Hillary Clinton has taken for over 16 years.

Bill Clinton is a liar. There's just no way around it. Senator Clinton has whined numerous times. Barack Obama never called her the "Senator from Punjab" (it was some lowly staffer).

Add these to the list.

The President is telling Obama to drop out.

He can't take on the gop.

Two reporters crushed with questions.

Drop out Obama.

I went to a Hillary fundraiser where Bill spoke last October. There, and elsewhere on TV at the time, I clearly remember him taking pains to say "I don't have anything bad to say about any of the other [Dem] candidates. I just think my wife would be better." Or words to that effect. Fair enough.

If he hadn't gone back on that implicit promise to talk issues, not character assassination, I would have respect for him today.

Biden, Dodd, Richardson et al showed that it is possible to debate issues with dignity and respect, and then to bow out with class when it's clear the voters have spoken. I hope the coming primary voters can bring the necessary closure; if not, I hope the supers can summon the political will to tell the Clintons "We bailed you out of impeachment a decade ago, we're not gonna bail you out again if you insist on tearing the party apart at the convention."

The President is telling Obama to drop out.

Thank you gotnolife... that's your nickname right? Anyways, keep your whining up. You are doing a heckuva job on.

I can't wait to get back in the Oral Office and get my dick cleaned. They say these new young interns are just so fine. So keep up the good work and I'll a box of Cuban Cigars that smell so good....

Love ya son.
Big Doggy that's been vetted. (wink)

Not only did the Clinton camp whine, someone from over there wanted to shoot somebody at some point!

Did Lewinsky whine while the Blunt was inserted?

yeah, I'm pretty sure her campaign came up with that one a while ago.

Greg D.

Electability issues are different between the primaries and the general election. While there is still an increasingly remote chance that Obama might squeak through a win for the nomination he clearly has reached critical mass on electability issues that will doom him in the fall. I suspect that last night's debate may be a watershed event to out Obama as unelectable. As badly as he handled it last night, his comments today seal his fate as a loser.

Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com

Does Bill not know of this thing we call YouTube?

How long before there is a video of his remarks followed by showing all the clips of her whining.

WHINING?!

She did nothing less that stand up straight, haul off, and bust a bottle on the bow of Battleship Hillary!

Picture an umbrella of nuclear-tipped bitch-slap, Tehran! She's found her Inner Amazon - and all steadfast athwart ABC's tabloid spit-wad peanut gallery.

(Don't know if the christening magnum was Krug Brut or Cold Duck... it was damn PASSION that mattered!)

"Whining" is a favorite word of the far right. Bill must be hanging out with Rush and Sean.

If people are looking for an alternative network evening news to ABC, you should consider giving CBS a chance. Ms. Couric is getting much better, and Lara Logan is the best Foreign Correspondent in the business.

I switched this evening because I am not about to support Charlie Gibson.

CBS did report about Hillary's "screw 'em" comment about working class voters, back in 1995.

I would like to see CBS gain viewers at the expense of ABC.
In addition, why not support the notion of having at least one female anchor on the evening network news.

Give it a chance.

This is really chickenshit stuff from old Bill.

Hillary was not wearing a flag pin, but yet the two elite white men did not ask her to justify her lack of lapel faux patriotism.

I guess white skin equals the American flag, so there is no need to plaster the flag on your attire. All the elite media types realize that nothing says Proud American like having white skin.

Has Bill Clinton gotten *anything* right during this campaign?
How about him whining after one debate that "the guys were all picking on the girl."
Now he's whining by claiming Obama supporters are whining?

HELLO?

Keep talking Bill, you're Barack's secret weapon (in burying your wife's chances for good)!

A debate is not everything. Also, I think the reason Obama is even talking about the debate is because the American people are talking about it and are so angry they are finally going straight to the Mainstream Media. It became an issue, Obama didn't make it an issue. Obviously the people spoke (atleast thousands did) at what they correctly percieved as media bias and conflict of interest. As an Obama supporter I am happily surprised. The American people can't be as hoodwinked so easily anymore- we've been through alot.

On an issue of substance that a lot of people care about, here is what Senator Obama said:

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator Obama, last May we talked about affirmative action, ad you said at the time that affluent African Americans like your daughters should probably be treated as pretty advantaged when they apply to college, and that poor white children -- kids -- should get special consideration, affirmative action.

So, as president, how specifically would you recommend changing affirmative action policies so that affluent African Americans are not given advantages, and poor, less affluent whites are?

SENATOR OBAMA: Well, I think that the basic principle that should guide discussions not just on affirmative action but how we are admitting young people to college generally is, how do we make sure that we're providing ladders of opportunity for people? How do we make sure that every child in America has a decent shot in pursuing their dreams?

And race is still a factor in our society. And I think that for universities and other institutions to say, you know, we're going to take into account the hardships that somebody has experienced because they're black or Latino or because they're women --

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Even if they're wealthy?

SENATOR OBAMA: I think that's something that they can take into account, but it can only be in the context of looking at the whole situation of the young person. So if they look at my child and they say, you know, Malia and Sasha, they've had a pretty good deal, then that shouldn't be factored in. On the other hand, if there's a young white person who has been working hard, struggling, and has overcome great odds, that's something that should be taken into account.

So I still believe in affirmative action as a means of overcoming both historic and potentially current discrimination, but I think that it can't be a quota system and it can't be something that is simply applied without looking at the whole person, whether that person is black or white or Hispanic, male or female.

What we want to do is make sure that people who have been locked out of opportunity are going to be able to walk through those doors of opportunity in the future.

I honestly believe that Bill has pump-head.

People don't know about this because doctors are cute about things like this - they don't tell you that when you get a by-pass, there is a pretty good chance you will suffer diminished mental capacity to one extent or another.

He's clearly not on his game and hasn't been and I just can't help but believe that's what is wrong with him.

Hey Bimbo Bill! Define Whining. You claim that you do not whine. The following says otherwise, so you can no longer "Suit Up" so instead just STFU you habitual lying libertine.

April 10, 2008 7:10 PM

ABC News' Sarah Amos and Eloise Harper Report: President Clinton, speaking in Boonville, Ind., revised history when he recounted his wife's recent flap discussing a trip she took to Bosnia in 1996. President Clinton's version had several inaccuracies and was slightly misleading.

President Clinton's described his wife's experience, saying, "There was a lot of fulminating because Hillary, one time late at night when she was exhausted, misstated and immediately apologized for it - what happened to her in Bosnia in 1995. Did y'all see all that. Oh, they blew it up. Let me just tell you." Clinton then criticized the press, saying, “You woulda thought, you know, that she'd robbed a bank the way they carried on about this. And some of them, when they're 60, they'll forget something when they're tired at 11:00 at night, too."

President Clinton's version of the story has several inaccuracies. Hillary Clinton actually made the exaggerated comments numerous times, including at an event in Dubuque, Iowa on Dec. 29th, in Waco, TX on Feb. 29th, and twice -- bright and early in the morning -- on March 17.

Sen. Clinton did not apologize, as Mr. Clinton asserted. His wife did say she had made a mistake and said that she had misspoken when describing the Bosnia incident.

Sen. Clinton also wasn't as quick with her apology as President Clinton may remember either. In fact, it took a week for her to eventually correct herself, first talking to the Philadelphia Inquirer editorial board on March 24 and again the following day in Greensboro, N.C.

President Clinton also indicated that his wife's trip took place in 1996 – when it fact it took place in 1995.

President Clinton then later in the evening told the story again in Jasper, Ind., saying the press was treating his wife like the Mata Hari. "She took a terrible beating in the press for a few days because she was exhausted at 11 o'clock at night and she started talking about Bosnia and she misstated the circumstances under which she landed in Bosnia. Did you all see all that? And oh, they acted like she was practically Mata Hari - like she was making up all this stuff."

...bitchy and promiscuous Martha, I should have said.

I'm just curious about this, but since we're playing this tarred-by-association game, shouldn't someone ask Hillary about her long business partnership with convicted embezzler Webb Hubble? Has she denounced him and completely cut off all contact with him, and if not, why not?

Whining....Um crying in a debate that you get the first question....Yes, that's real tough leadership when your looking to be the leader of the free world. Hillary standing there looking like Ronald McDonald in her get up salavating at the drivel that was comming from the moderators shows and exceptional toughness! Oh, and watching Msnbc today with Punk ass Joe and David defending these questions and calling them tough (spin) especially about how important relationships are, how in the world does knowone in the MSM bother reporting the ties George has or supposedly used to have Hillary, again especially after all the fallout from the debate?

This really is special. Hillary sits down with Melenscafe and they have a debate that pupits everything that say on Faux news! Coincidence.....I think not!

I can here it now though......He's brushing dirt off his shoulders....He's a rapper....I told you he was too black......Man, I wish Hillary would go home, he cant attack her the way he can attack a conservative!

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/dean-wants-a-decision-from-sup.php

from following joshuablog's post, linked above, and reading about Dean on CNN calling for superdelegates to start pledging now, and not wait till later, it'll be interesting to see who starts whining now.

who will be whining?

KO is quoting this blog.

Poor guy is spinning himself silly.

He did a terrible job in his debate because he failed to ask your hero tough questions.

Sad.

Oh well, all his negatives are out there so lets see what the voters decide.

I am betting on Clinton.

Howard Dean has, apparently, had enough: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/17/dean-i-need-a-decision-now/

Think the debate prompted this?

Im Chill Tina...Im worried about the exploitation.....Me, I wish he would do that all day...No need to tell me to chill!

Im Chill Tina...Im worried about the exploitation.....Me, I wish he would do that all day...No need to tell me to chill!

I didn't mean to be no means, love. I just really want to savor that move right now without worrying about repercussions.

I know what you're saying. ;)

You know, any of you who haven't seen this need to go check it out. Mister Leonard Pierce of Sadly, No! pretty expertly channeled last night's "debate" here several weeks ago.

I'm not one to pimp recommendations for my own posts, but really, everyone should see this. It's what the "dialogue" between Obama and his interrogators most resembled to me.

Thanks Tina, in my short time here(hope I havenet offended to many being the newbie) but I have come to value your posts...and am glad you understand. I worry about him doing things for the pundits to attack him with, me I have watched that clip about 30 times now.

I loved the way they kept pressing Obama last night to explain what had caused him to drop Rev. Wright from his campaign's opening event. Obama claims not to have ever heard any of Wright's most controversial remarks. But it also has been revealed that Obama knew enough about Wright that he decided to excluded Wright from the event. So what did he know about Wright? Could it be that he'd actually gotten to know his pastor and mentor during their twenty-year friendship? But Obama wouldn't say. Instead he just kept calling it a "distraction" and just kept ducking the question. Maybe McCain will get it out of him.

I could go on and on about Clinton supporters who have whined non stop instead of realizing that MAYBE Hillary's bad press is her own doing.

No no, you know very well the real reason for it all is that tool of endless oppression - the penis!!

sorry, there's a touch of that that I see once in awhile in some of the Clinton supporters.

I did the right thing, and fought for the office of the President of the United States during Bill Clinton's impeachment. But I nowadays deeply begrudge having been being forced into that fight by a political pissant who has embraced the GOP's philosophy of Rule or Ruin, that his wife be placated.

lol..

Also, Obama supporters don't cry racism and sexism or favoritism. We also don't whine like HRC clan. If and when Obama miss steps he gets the slimy press he deserves.

Last night, Obama looked mad and tried his hardest not to step down to old politics.

The questions were stupid and did not give either candidate the opt to address real issues.

Why is it the media's job to ask questions because the republicans are going to ask these questions in general election. 52 minutes-- WTF?

Hey media, why not let the repubicans and Hillary raise these stupid issues as they seem fit.

LOL. Her actions keep backfiring so badly it's comical. I watching Bill whine at this moment on MSNBC.

Otto: Fuck you. You're either a paid operative or a naive blowhard. Go ahead and copy-and-paste my inebriated response, here, as evidence that Obamaites or Obamaistas or whatever lame fucking ass nomenclature the campaign has passed down to you peons might be, the point stands: your candidate of choice is an embrassament to the Democratic party and to the United States

Look, I guess you don't get this, but the gravatar is enough - you make it hard enough for some of us out here. You start talking like that, and I may start stalking you.

I'm already fanning my face. Whew.

Nice analogy. Only thing is, Ali was justified as they stole 3 years of his career in his prime. Knowone ever stole anything from Bill......Now Hillary and her entitled Presidential run,.....lol....Maybe your on to something........Nah, Obama earned it, just like Frasier did in the first fight.....lol

Survey USA poll is out:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/17/18544/6245

Frankly I think Obama was bored with the same old issues being hashed out....So was the public.

Excerpt from a terrific commentary.

Link to the entire post. Enjoy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-very-serious-debate-s_b_97231.html

In fact, George and Charlie made the FOX News Channel debates, with all of their Love American Style graphics and fire alarms and wacky fart sound effects, look like the goddamn Continental Congress.

I was just waiting for Charlie Gibson to hurl a fist full of lapel pins at Senator Obama while shouting, "Where's Natalie Holloway, Senator? Where?! Prove to me that you don't have her locked inside of your Silence of the Lambs dungeon, you pinhead!" Then Stephanopoulos with the inevitable, "Senator Clinton, do you think Senator Obama is more patriotic than the dreaded Bat Boy?"

Sean was thinking about that surgery Bill had a few years back...

Bill Clinton was just happy that the NAFTA issue didn't come up. I mean, why would it in Pennsylvania right? That debate was such a set-up joke!

The issue isn't only that the debate focused mostly on Obama or that it was "tough on Obama". That's fine with his supporters I'm sure. Obama should face tough questions as should all of the candidates. The question is what defines a tough question and when does one ask it?
And sure, some of these things would be brought up in the course of the campaign. But the main and damaging criticism here towards ABC is the stupidly vapid gotcha level of so many of the questions and the clear elitist approach on the part of two rich men entrusted with the opportunity for the rest of us to ask questions of those who will lead this nation.
It is so elitist on the part of these two country-club members at ABC to think that the American people don't want to hear/can't understand a reasoned and adult debate on substantive issues.
And that George thinks he knows these are the main issues that are on everyone's mind. Do people really only care if McCain was friendly with the blond lobbyist? That he likes to go to Vegas? Does it make him any less of a national hero if he does? The answer is No. Judge him on his record and his policies and his views and his bond with the public trust. Not on whether he has a good time in Vegas. the same for Obama and Clinton.
Yes these kinds of issues are the kinds of topics in the echo chamber of right wing talk radio and George’s good pal and future colleague Sean Hannity. And since George is clearly auditioning for a job with FOX, we're fed superficial flash points right out of a gossip magazine.
Next it will be Clinton and only her comments in 1995 about white working class people, V Foster, Pork futures, Monica, and all the old issues. And in the fall it will be about McCain and only about his supposed friendship with a blond lobbyist, his gambling/partying in Vegas, his lack of church attendance, and other important national "issues". All the while the security of the US will be at stake.
This was an example of two NYC and DC, country club & Palm restaurant going, Ritz Carelton staying, elites who wanted to figures out how to "talk at the level of" the American people and in the process proved to America that they're clueless about what "uninformed and simple people" are able or interested to hear. Or as Gibson apparently thinks, people making 200K dollars a year make an average salary...pathetic. ABC should be ashamed.
This is not a partisan issue or pro or anti-Obama. It's an example of elite media thinking that when they talk on "our simple tabloid level of politics" they can only talk about these stupid issues.
We are better than this. Both Republicans and Democrats are better and deserve better from those who have direct access to the candidates for the Presidency. We are people who want answers to real and difficult issues that will affect us directly. We have sons and daughters fighting for us, we have a health-care crisis; we have a dangerous Iraq, North Korea, and Iran that we need to address. And instead of taking most of the time to give us a detailed and adult debate that would really inform on these serious issues, George and Charlie focused on pathetic side issues that do not and should not be brought up in a debate like this regardless of the candidate or party.
And if this is allowed to become the norm in national debates, it will be vapid gotcha tabloid politics for the next few months for McCain and the GOP and the Democrat who wins the nomination. Will we as a nation be better informed as a result?
George should be fired and go back to work for his old boss. If it can be proven that he did in fact take guidance from another commentator (Hannity) at another network (FOX) he should lose his job simply out of laziness and incompetence. Maybe he was auditioning for a job with his old boss or FOX last night.

The Clintons and the beltway media clique treat the campaign as a fraternity hazing, with Obama in the role of the pledge. Rough him up. All the others went through it. Rite of passage, you know.

The voting public is not treated as a participant in this ritual; we just get to watch. Never mind trying to ascertain if the candidates are qualified to be president, let's just sling them around to see if they are tough enough to be part of the elite club.

Talk about out of touch.

Interesting observation Bill...of course a less charitable observer than me might point out that Obama didn't cry after losing a state to Hillary.

BTW, wouldn't complaints about a "vast right-wing conspiracy" count as a whine too? Just asking...