Bill: I Didn't Say Obama Camp Played Race Card On Me
Bill Clinton, in a new interview, appears to deny that he said yesterday that the Obama camp was playing the race card on him:
NBC/NJ: "Sir, what did you mean yesterday when you said that the Obama campaign was playing the race card on you?"CLINTON: "When did I say that, and to whom did I say that?"
NBC/NJ: "On WHYY radio yesterday"
CLINTON: "No, no, no. That's not what I said. You always follow me around and play these little games, and I'm not going to play your games today. This is a day about election day. Go back and see what the question was, and what my answer was. You have mischaracterized it to get another cheap story to divert the American people from the real urgent issues before us, and I choose not to play your game today. Have a nice day."
Yesterday, Bill said: "I think that they played the race card on me. We now know, from memos from the campaign that they planned to do it [all] along."
The Clinton campaign confirms that Bill was refering to this memo written by an Obama campaign aide, which sought to highlight a pattern of race-based politicking on the part of the Clintons. It was never clear who the intended recipient of it was. And it's true that Obama himself said during a debate that he regretted the memo.
But while the memo appeared to encourage people to see a Clinton camp pattern of race-based politics, it didn't reveal any plan to play the race card against him all along, as Bill said.
Separately, Ben Smith offers this poignant observation on Bill's latest: "It is a reminder of what an utterly different era it was in which he was the reigning political master."
Late Update: Here's vid of Bill...















Thanks Greg for posting this.
I'm really concerned about the Clinton campaign, and I'm not alone in believing it totally unprepared to handle a 21st Century White House.
April 22, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
If, for argument's sake, we wanted to give Bill the benefit of the doubt here, he does seem to be technically correct, though note I'm a scientist rather than a linguist.
Yesterday, he said the Obama camp *played* the race card (note past tense). The questioner today implied that he'd said the Obama camp *was playing* the race card (present perfect progressive tense), implying that they were still playing it.
Just sayin' ;-)
April 22, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
wow foreigner.
I think Bill Clinton himself would be envious of your parsing abilities, although admittedly, this isn't quite as good as "it depends on the definition of the word is."
April 22, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha. Good catch. What a maroon.
April 22, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
DEAR BILL, N E V E R M I N D
I never said Barry had a "Race Card" he wanted to play, I said he had a "Race Car" he wanted to "play in". There's a difference. One is a shiny toy he can sit in and make Indy car noises. The other is a something Plouffe is probably waving over his head in Indiana this very moment.
Sincerely
H. Dean
Don't forget your "Change you can belive in" sir! Yelled the waitress as I drove off..
April 22, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude. You suck.
April 22, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are you gonna believe? Me or your lyin' ears?
April 22, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been watching Bill Clinton on the campaign trail for awhile and to me it looks like he is drunk quite often. I could be wrong, it could be blood pressure medication or some other pharmaceutical, but he's on something.
April 22, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is very strange. It makes me think that this seemingly far-out blog post may have some credibility after all:
Bill Clinton’s Madness: A Consequence of Heart-Bypass
Surgery Brain Damage
April 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
does anyone really want another 4-8 years of this?
can we afford it?
April 22, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Get OUT of MY YARD!! IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
April 22, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL... been missin' your insights of late.
April 22, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time for a shameless plug
Bill Clinton: Rewriting History
April 22, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last dog dying of Alzheimers
April 22, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I cried with joy that Nov. in 1992 when Bill Clinton was elected POTUS. I defended him passionately throughout the years of his presidency and against any subsequent attacks on his legacy.
Unfortunately, power must be a poison which poisons the brain. America, keep these people as far away as possible from the White House, for the good of our nation, the world, and for theirs.
April 22, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill lost my support when he went from committing a personal indiscretion to committing perjury. It's now fairly clear that the guy is a professional liar, but it's still sad to see.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/transcript2.html
April 22, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just heard Joe Scar quote Hillary as saying "We have to win in Iraq and we have to win in Afganistan." Is this true? Has anyone else reported on this?
I don't believe it, but he just said it right now on MSNBC.
I don't think Hillary wants to "win in Iraq"!
April 22, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
She said it this morning on GMA, I don't think she said it on KO last night. But Scar. is right to highlight this - the majority of Democrats don't think this is a "winnable" war. She's entered John McBush land.
April 22, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh bill...
this is all really too bad.
April 22, 2008 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry to see this. I don't think this is just ordinary forgetfulness. I hope that he is healthy.
And no, the country doesn't Bill Clinton in the White House. Or in the VP residence, either.
April 22, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ben Smith offers this poignant observation on Bill's latest: "It is a reminder of what an utterly different era it was in which he was the reigning political master."
Poignant, indeed. I'm downright tearin' up over here now that the Clintons are beginning to realize (albeit two years too late) that they can no longer lie to the electorate with impunity.
Paging Bill Clinton: it's called the internet, dumbshit. Your former Vice-President invented it, remember? And while you were busy selling out (Colombia?! Really?!) everything you and your wife pay lip service to come election-time since you've left office, that same former Vice-President took the opposite path. You know, the one dedicated to saving the planet from our recklessness. Funny how the only semi-noble Democratic legacy of the 90s will be Gore's.
Bill, you're worse than a habitual liar. You're unrepentantly duplicitous and everytime you pull a stunt like this (Saying X on Monday and then categorically denying you said X when questioned about it on Tuesday) you're insulting my intelligence. And to think I used to speak glowingly of your political acumen. Way to tank your wife's presidential campaign, dude. Good luck cashing those checks from the UAE for your "library," you fucking phony.
Let's get this over with already.
April 22, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
memo's from the campaign, bill....what memo's, the ones stolen from the Obama campaign office?
April 22, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
But the best part of this is that in the same interview quoted above by Greg Bill actually goes on to say the thing he is denying to have said.
April 22, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
O. My. God.
They played the race card on me. I never said they played the race card on me. They played the race card on me.
Jesus, Bill.
April 22, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
We all need neck braces when following his lying.
April 22, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, no, no,
Bill said they playED the race on him not that they are playING the race card on him.
You gotta focus on the tense...just like it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is.
My thing is that the Obama camapign could not have compiled a list of race-baiting statements had Bill not made them! So the Obama campaign never playED the race card they merely wrote up a list to show the pattern of Bill's racial remarks.
So how could it have been their strategy to compile race baiting statements made by Bill when they would not have any idea of what would come out of Bill's mouth until AFTER he said it.
What Bill wants us to believe is that the Obama campaign had a strategy all along that knew Bill was going to appeal to racists and write a memo on it to give to the media.
What I do not get is why folks are befuddled about why Bill is bringing race up again. It was always Bills intent to pander on the basis of race to create white racial solidarity for Hillary to win over the BLACK candidate.
His comments yesterday was nothing but the 'reverse discrimination' dogwhistle to the blue collar ethnic white boys! Recall Stepinfetchinopoulous played the 'affirmative action' card in the debate. So, clearly this was part of the Clinton campaign strategy in the last days before the vote.
Their are appealing to the 'otherness' animosity and racial blame game of struggling white working class whites.
Just more Archie Bunker politics.
April 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
So as he is denying saying it, he says it again!
Simply amazing!
April 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I mean...just wow. What the hell happened to Bill Clinton?
April 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor guy. I don't think he's well at all. Either that or he believes there's a substantial difference between these two statements:
I think that they played the race card on me
AND
The Obama campaign is playing the race card on me.
Oh, I get it! See...he wasn't saying they WERE playing the race card; he was saying HE THINKS they were.
Good lord.
Part of me hopes he is just confused and is not parsing like this. But the only alternative is that he is drifting away mentally, which is kind of sad. I would hate to see him destroy the respect the American people have for his presidency. Many folks I know think he was a fine president. His actions now could really overshadow his record/legacy.
April 22, 2008 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow...
Senility, perhaps? Or, as others have suggested, early signs of alzheimer's disease (notice the petulance regarding what "they" are doing to him).
He'll get our mockery, but maybe he deserves our pity. If I were Chelsea, I'd strongly urge him to see a physician.
Any doctors in the house with insights on elders and mental health issues?
April 22, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
He can't control himself! A simple "No comment." or "I'm done talking about that, sir." would have been sufficient. But "I'm not going play these little games with you?" The hell?
April 22, 2008 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some one needs to hand Bill a post-it before every interview with the words: "YouTube/Internet/24 Hour News Cycle" on it.
It's not 1992 anymore.
April 22, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
This pre-dates "You Tube" this is RADIO, one would think Bill had mastered this medium.
April 22, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Saddle up Bill ya whiney pussy.
I love how truth is totally mangled by this guy. He is destroying his legacy as POTUS by his lying, asshattery while campaigning for his wife.
April 22, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are you going to believe Bimbo Bill, the guy who lies under oath or the audio tape of what he said?
"I did not have racial insinuations with that recording, Miss Replayski"! Bimbo Bill Clinton.
April 22, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Touché.
April 22, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
When caught on tape or video, it becomes "misspeaking."
April 22, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could anyone stomach 4 more years of the Clinton Bush wars? I couldn't. Each side is disgusting.
April 22, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aha, the backtracking begins ... he must have heard an earful from his wife. I really do feel sorry for him - he is out of touch and slightly delusional, and the world he knew no longer exists. Sad, really...if he had stuck to his Foundation work and taken a less visible role in the campaign he would have faired much better.
April 22, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
So...
playing the race card is the new race card.
What I mean is that, at the end of the day, Clinton has managed to get us (and PA voters) thinking about race yet again, just in time for the undecided voters to break.
I'm amazed.
April 22, 2008 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's waaay too sinister! Next, you'll have me thinking that there are Communists under the bed....
they're behind the dooor....they're peeking from inside the cupboard!....
they're....they're....they're EVERYWHERE!!! AAAAAAGH!!!
April 22, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
BREAK DOWN:
Zogby Tracking:
Clinton: 51%
Obama: 41%
Suffolk:
Clinton: 52%
Obama: 42%
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SurveyUSA:
Clinton: 50%
Obama: 44%
Quinnipiac:
Clinton: 51%
Obama: 44%
Rasmussen:
Clinton: 49%
Obama: 44%
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Strategic Vision:
Clinton: 48%
Obama: 41%
Mason-Dixon:
Clinton: 48%
Obama: 42%
Insider Advantage:
Clinton: 49%
Obama: 42%
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ARG:
Clinton: 56%
Obama: 40%
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Zogby,Insider Advantage,ARG are the most latest polling data to be released.
April 22, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what?
Hillary has always been ahead in PA, just like Obama has always been ahead in NC.
Not an indicator of much either way.
April 22, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most latest?
America's best and brightest hard at wrk.
April 22, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who cares, Hillary? The thread is about Bill Clinton forgetting 24 hours later the accusations he's made. If you want to post the damn polling data, put up a blog.
April 22, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Non-Sequitur Lady!
April 22, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow...though this has nothing to do with the thread, those numbers are awesome for Obama. Considering that Clinton was leading in PA by 23 points about a month ago, that's a mighty hard fall. Thanks for the great news!
April 22, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah and will it be so great in November when the Obomb is a solid 10 points behind on election day??? Get real~ quick!
April 22, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
except he won't be.
April 22, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, you can see she could not keep 20 points distance from Obama.
April 22, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are you going to believe Bimbo Bill, the guy who lies under oath, or the audio tape of what he said?
"I did not have racial insinuations with that recording, Miss Replayski"! Bimbo Bill Clinton.
April 22, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The double standards on these folks are ridiculous. Glad to see some reporters not taking his crap on this.
Q. Wolfson, what is the operative reality today?
A. Making sure Obama says the same thing every day is called vetting; making sure Clintons say the same thing every day is called gotcha.
Check? Check.
April 22, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you think the Clinton's get the irony in Bill defending his comments using the same rhetoric Obama used in the last debate? Do they exist solely to provide the nation with an inexhaustable source of irony?
If someone figured out how to generate electricity using Irony we'd be SET!
April 22, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN yesterday had hillary clinton winning pennsylvania by 7 points but know they have her up to 9 points.
April 22, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's nice.
April 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cool, so no matter what, in all the polls you cited thus far Clinton make no appreciable gain in delegates or narrowing of Obama's insurmountable lead.
et us know if you will be spamming the sit with more polls, all of which will be no longer operable in less than 7 hours.
April 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go away. Seriously. You're trying to hijack the thread. Post a blog with the polling data that you're enamored with, and make sure you include lots and lots of exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next, you could discuss your total flipflop about reliable polls. It's been Survey USA all the way until the results weren't to your liking. Now, Suffolk University is the new Survey USA for you.
April 22, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or ARG and Zogby... the two worst.
I find it amusing this CLinton troll thinks that posting polls which show Clinton failing to make any real gains in PA as amusing by failing to win in double digits (the baseline was her winning PA by 20%) is an example of moving the goalposts writ large.
April 22, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
(finger wag into the camera)
I DID TALK ABOUT THE RACE CARD...WITH THAT RADIO STATION...WHYY...
April 22, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
And then, after saying "Buh-bye!" he said: "I don't think I should take any shit from anybody on that, do you?"
Yes, I do.
April 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill makes me cry.
April 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
He makes me laff.
April 22, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
President Clinton is the main story on MSNBC.
The truth is Obama and his media played the race card for his radical spiritual adviser wrightgate.
Good for President Clinton on taking the high road to focus on today's vote.
April 22, 2008 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad for Hillary that Bill is the main story. It's not going to help her campaign.
And the comment about Obama? As weird as usual.
Seriously, if you're a Hillary supporter, Bill being the top story on any day is not good.
The drip drip drip you hear is superdelegates thinking "Do I really want to hear about Bill for the next four years???" followed by "Hmmm. Look! I've got Barack on speed dial!"
April 22, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, she'd probably rather have them talk about Bill than her plans for nuclear war in the Middle East.
Clearly, he's uncontrollable - not that I ever thought he was. The man will be a rogue missile in her administration. That she (and even more, Chelsea) refuses to see this would be sad if it weren't so frightening.
April 22, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's media? What, did Rupert Murdoch sell out to Obama and not let me know?
April 22, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Bill Clinton went to Burger King, he'd tell you he went to McDonalds and not even realize it...
April 22, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Letting what he said just LAY there would be better than contradicting himself and lying and coming off all assholish.
Please stop Bill, before I have to eat EVERY nice word ever uttered about you.
Now really, if Bill had NEVER SAID A WORD this campaign season, where would HRC's candidacy be right now? Surely no worse than it is already.
Just wave Bill. Just wave. Cut his mike!
April 22, 2008 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
All this is good for the Clintons. We have you right where we want you. We have you just in our sights. Just you wait and see. Muhahahahahahahahahaha. Be right back gotta go count my money.
April 22, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill has lost his goddamn mind!
Or perhaps more likely, the whole family has a perverse pathological addiction to lying:
http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/04/bills-desperation-turns-to-more-lies.html
April 22, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL
Clinton gets caught bold-faced lying and tries to play the "let's talk about the real issues" line which from him is the very definition of hypocrisy since the man had no problem bringing up every distraction in the book, including whining about the mean mean OBama camp allegedly "playing the race card" and then lying about saying it, then in the next breath saying it again, just in the past 48 hours.
BTW, how's Hillary and her Col. Kong imitation riding the bomb down onto Teheran (ala Dr. Strangelove) policy working for us all?
"Rural Democrats don't like the idea of whole cities being incinerated...? Screw 'em" - Hillary "LeMay" Clinton
April 22, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shit, this was supposed to be in response to "GotNoLife" upthread.
April 22, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clintons' statements do make more sense when you realize they assume everything they say is immediately forgotten by voters and the media by the time the next speech or interview rolls around. They'd be the favorite candidate of the guy from "Memento."
April 22, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with Grover. To watch this happen to a brilliant statesman is sad. Maybe Bill Clinton is suffering the effects of his heart bypass surgery? Docs call it "pump head." Researchers have speculated that the effects on mental capacity result from "showering of the brain with tiny particles (microemboli) related to the use of the bypass pump."
April 22, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I. Did. Not. Have. Sexual. Relations. With. That. Woman."
Bill has a history of having a fairly casual relationship with the truth, but this is just NUTS.
April 22, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was Monica that got "showered with tiny particles..." not Bill.
Sorry, you put it on a tee, so I took a whack at it.
April 22, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn good thing I'm not reading this in a library!
April 22, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great.
H-Bomb Hillary is threating to nuke a country that doesn't have nukes yet if they use their hypothetical nukes against a country that does have them and would obliterate them before we could even launch and Bill is apparently losing his mind before our pitying eyes.
Yeah, we totally need this team back in the White House again.
April 22, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The disrespect of a great leader and President of your party proves you are trolls and should not be posting on a Dem blog.
Wait for the lizards to open their doors and post at the lgf trolls.
You are not Dems and they agree with your hate over there.
April 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only disrespect I see is Bill's for the American people.
April 22, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Goatlife, you're right about one thing: I'm not a Democrat. I guess that makes Bill Clinton fair game.
April 22, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't take the bait, fellow TPM posters.
April 22, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What else am I supposed to do? Work?!
April 22, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like painful rectal itch, it can't be ignored forever.
April 22, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh. The visual.
And ya know...it doesn't help that your avatar is a bird. It makes one think.
April 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, you got that wrong. I can't speak to everyone's party affiliation. What I can tell you is that we're not members of the Clinton party. Even those of us that long supported them, especially Bill, do not automatically fall in line, standing silent while the Clintons spin lies and obfuscate the truth. We believe our country deserves leaders who are honest, most especially after 8 years of Bush, Cheney & Co.
What truly saddens is that for two years I've struggled with supporting Hillary. I wasn't able to shake this troubling sense that what's good for the Clintons would always trump the good of the country. Unfortunately, she's yet to give me a reason to believe otherwise.
April 22, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
...your party?
April 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or ARG and Zogby... the two worst.
I find it amusing this CLinton troll thinks that posting polls which show Clinton failing to make any real gains in PA as amusing by failing to win in double digits (the baseline was her winning PA by 20%) is an example of moving the goalposts writ large.
Well! What happened to your idol anyway? Getting crushed in a humongous electoral state he outspent her 4:1 is a victory only if it's by 20%? You guys are fucking HILARIOUS. I never heard her say once she had to win by any percentage, certainly not 20% - but the artificial baseline set by Lord Kos isn't moving the goalposts? I wish it were possible for you to see how utterly clueless this post looks in the real world.
April 22, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course she wouldn't say she had to win by 20% since she knows she won't. But the fact that remains that 9-15 pt victory will net her less than 20 delegates, which is simply not enough.
April 22, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course she wouldn't say she had to win by 20% since she knows she won't. But the fact that remains that 9-15 pt victory will net her less than 20 delegates, which is simply not enough.
This would only matter if we elected our nominee based soley on "being ahead" in delegates. To which, we've never done in our entire electoral history of this country. I know you won't hear that one Olbermann, here, or anywhere else apparently, but true. Because if it were true, we wouldn't even be talking about it right now, would we?
April 22, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you're still counting on the superdelegates to push Hillary to the nomination?
Despite Obama having a net gain of ~65 (compared to ~3 for Clinton) since Super Tuesday. Despite the SDs breaking for Obama by nearly a 70% clip since Super Tuesday. Good luck.
April 22, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhhh, that is how the Democratic Party selects its nominee. That is why we have delegates, the one who gets the most of them is our nominee. Like Texas, it seems that Camp Clinton doesn't understand the rules and the concepts involved in the nominating process and thinks it is all just a matter of spin, not actually.. you know.. winning more delegates.
April 22, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be fair, I think his point was that “being ahead” doesn’t necessarily equal having the required 2025.
While true, it ignores the fact that most projections have Obama finishing the primary season being within 100 of 2025. So, he’d need less than 100 SDs to push him over 2025. And if they continue to flock to him at anything close to the current pace, that margin won’t be a problem.
April 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ahhhh, that is how the Democratic Party selects its nominee. That is why we have delegates, the one who gets the most of them is our nominee.
A candidate needs a simply majority of the 4047 delegate votes, which equals 2024. Bzzzzt. Neither can get there it would appear.
April 22, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not true. One will certainly get there. As I pointed out, most projections have Obama finishing up the primary season less than 100 delegates from 2024. The supers will do the rest.
April 22, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but the baseline polling showed her less than 3 weeks ago winning PA by 20% and over.
After PA she will have netted less than 20 delegates, and nowhere near enough to put her on a path to overcoming even the artificial metric of the popular vote.
Given that Gov. Ed "I Heart Farrakhan" Rendell's political machine should have handed PA to her by over 20%, anything less than a 10-15% win by Clinton does nothing to change the dynamic of the race. A race which will end with Obama as the Democratic nominee, not let's nuke Iran Hillary "LeMay" Clinton.
April 22, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is another, more serious, explanation, which I'd feel bad about if it turns out to be true. Bill Clinton could be showing the symptoms of early onset Alzheimer's, and he could really have no clue that he had said the things he has said. Although he showed the same symptoms back in the 90s when he couldn't remember his protracted affair with his intern, which takes us back to the original diagnosis. For his sake I hope he is just a pathological liar because seeing him make an ass of himself in such a public way due to the effects of a serious disease would be pretty sad. I would really feel bad for him. Although he could perhaps make some good out of it by becoming a spokesperson for Alzheimer's awareness, kind of like Bob Dole was for erectile dysfunction. Either way, they should probably take him out of the field.
April 22, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's pretty sad regardless of the explanation.
April 22, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's just creepy freaky. Bill Clinton is obviously losing his mind. I think he needs a nice long vacation. I hear Colombia is lovely this time of year.
April 22, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
But Obama DID play the race card on the Clintons. Hillary was not belittling the accomplishments of Martin Luther King when she said that it took Lyndon Johnson to push through civil rights legislation. As one prominent black politician has noted, the Obama campaign has a hair trigger when it comes to issues of race, and no one can say anything without getting shot.
April 22, 2008 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice try.
But reality is not as fungible as you and Bill "I did not say they played the race card" Clinton, or Hillary "LeMay" Clinton heroine of Tuzla like to try and make it.
April 22, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Points for use of the word "fungible"!
April 22, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then she can't be too bright, if that's the case. When an African American invokes MLK and it's so obvious (to people like Otto, at least) that he's playing the race card, I would think that a smart white candidate would dance so far away from that bait that no one would remember it was ever raised in the first place. Clinton, genius that she is, jumps on it like a fly on shit and then can't understand why there's such a frightful stench in the air.
So, which is it?: did she play the card or did she get suckered? Either way, I can't see a reason to vote for her.
April 22, 2008 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Otto says:
But Obama DID play the race card on the Clintons. Hillary was not belittling the accomplishments of Martin Luther King when she said that it took Lyndon Johnson to push through civil rights legislation
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False. Obama said NOTHING! It was the black COMMUNITY that was outraged with Hillarys words diminishing the accomplisments of King. Obama did not say one word. He let Hillary stew in her own comments.
April 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. You know, when everyone was elated about Bill getting elected the first time I thought, "Suckered dumbasses." I thought his character was obvious... he wore it on his sleeve. I don't think he has ever changed, really.
April 22, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just because Bill said that Obama played the race card (correctly, I might add) does not mean that Bill said that Obama played the race card.
You know, it's very revealing that Barack is getting bitter about this.
April 22, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It depends on what your definition of "played" is. Also your definition of "race" and "card", and "the".
April 22, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the "You know" as well...
Is it the colloquial "You know" or the hypnotic, false memory implanting "You know"?
The Clinton's use some fairly sophisticated Psy-Ops techniques that eschew traditional categories of truth and logic.
April 22, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, I think I detect some snark in Hillary's post there ...
April 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very skillful snark, I might add. You've got that voice exactly right!
April 22, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now when I hear this "race card" issue come out, I don't even give a damn which side played it.
I just groan and roll my eyes and wish the Dems would wrap this thing up already.
April 22, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am listening to him right now claiming Obama "played the race card on me". So for him to say that, just shows he is a duplicitous lying sack of $hit . . . just like his wife!
BC compared a sitting US Senator who had, at that time, raised more money that all his opponants and won the first caucus . . . compared him to a jack-legged preacher who had never been elected to anything. And what did THEY have in common? Brown skin and nothing more.
April 22, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
obama has played the race card. nothing new here...end of story.
April 22, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill and Hillary Clinton got suckered into replaying the very same card and end up looking like racists. Nothing new here. EOF
April 22, 2008 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but reality is not spinnable like you and Bill "I Didn't Say Obama Camp Played Race Card On Me" Clinton think it is.
April 22, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn.
"Cocaine's a hell of a drug."
Just what is running through Clinton's mind?
April 22, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Fuck yo couch!"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8kEryR5wj9o&feature=PlayList&p=D367F84B088A618C&index=21
April 22, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I cannot believe the press has not picked up on the one racist fact of this campaign. Black people are voting for Oilbama primarily because he is black. Forget about the issues. How racist is that?
April 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
African American people are voting for Hillary Clinton because she's a woman.
White people are voting for Obama because he's black.
African American people are voting for Obama because he shows good leadership qualities and management skills.
So are white people.
All of these statements are true. You need to qualify yours for it to have any real meaning.
April 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that's not true, but your polka-dotted sky world must have something in the oxygen.
April 22, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not quite as racist as your assumption there.
It really is not very hard: if you do not want "the blacks" to vote for the other guy, do not engage in race-baiting to win white votes.
Corollary, how sexist is it to vote for Clinton because she is a woman?
April 22, 2008 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ed Rendell claims that many white Pennsylvanians will vote for Clinton because she's white. Is that racist?
April 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I really don't understand Obama supporters. You have let your candidate demonize the only two-term Democratic President in recent history, all for what? Political gain at the expense of your party. That is sad. Can you imagine if Clinton ran in 1992 and demonized Jimmy Carter who was at the time the only living Democratic President?
Obama supporters are tearing our party apart and Obama is fanning the flames. He is a repulsive individual who longs for fame, nothing else.
April 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. Clinton did not run against Carter or his wife.
2. yes, loosing is painful thing, I understand.
April 22, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just curious: how do you describe Hillary and the Kitchen Sink Offensive? Are you equally repulsed?
April 22, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill shit all over his OWN legacy because he couldn't control his verbal diarrhea this campaign season. It IS sad, but it's his own damn fault. Obama didn't force Bill to repeatedly say stupid, racist and deranged things every place he went. Blame-shifting is very bad news for Clinton supporters.
April 22, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nobody is demonizing Bill Clinton. But congratulations on slaying your man of straw.
April 22, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
This just in ... Hillary has just nuked Bill into oblivion.
April 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK:
Let me get this straight:
This is a memo from SC?? 4 life times ago??
From Politico's mouth to Election Central's page.
2nd: From Bill's mouth/Clinton campaign to TPM's ears and Election Central's page.
Don't you know that you are being played?? That race has reemerged (in this particular way) upon returning to the South (NC)and near-South (Indiana)??
Geez! Will you never learn and stop allowing the Clintons' to use you ("you"=TPM and supposedly "independent" media?).
Don't you ever feel insulted??
April 22, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is beginning to look more and more like that Chubby Intern literally Blew Bimbo Bill's brains out!!!
April 22, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I sure do miss not voting for that man.
April 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, I worry about the Big Dog (although I'll worry more when Hillary drops out, as anyone with any integrity would have done five weeks ago).
He hasn't seemed on his game throughout this primary, and is now showing real signs of dementia.
I was no fan of his when he was president, but he's the best prez we've had in my adult life. I truly think he's sick, and that's a little sad.
April 22, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's just how white folks are. Black folks: never forget that this is the end result, no matter how nicely they talk to your face.
April 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Clinton's still don't understand that the internet makes their style of campaigning untenable.
April 22, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah, uh, I don't think BILL is running. and if we're comparing candidates' spouses, I'll take "liar Bill" over "unproud" Michelle ANY DAY.
April 22, 2008 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill said they playED the race card on him not that they are playING the race card on him.
You gotta focus on the tense...just like it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is.
My thing is that the Obama camapign could not have compiled a list of race-baiting statements had Bill not made them! So the Obama campaign never playED the race card they merely wrote up a list to show the pattern of Bill's racial remarks.
So how could it have been their strategy to compile race baiting statements made by Bill when they would not have any idea of what would come out of Bill's mouth until AFTER he said it? Why wouldn't a master politician like Bill know they were going to do this and not give them the opening?
What Bill wants us to believe is that the Obama campaign had a strategy all along that knew Bill was going to appeal to racists and planned write a memo on it to give to the media? That is crystall ball strategy...and if true says they underSTOOD how racist Bill is even if the public image of him is otherwise.
What I do not get is why folks are befuddled about why Bill is bringing race up again. It was always Bills intent to pander on the basis of race to create white racial solidarity for Hillary to win over the BLACK candidate.
His comments yesterday were nothing but the 'reverse discrimination' dogwhistle to the blue collar ethnic white boys! Recall Stepinfetchinopoulous played the 'affirmative action' card in the debate. So, clearly this was part of the Clinton campaign strategy in the last days before the vote.
Bill's appealing to the 'otherness' animosity and racial blame game of struggling white working class whites, which he knows WELL having grown up with this white mentality as it is pervasive in the south.
Just more Archie Bunker politics.
April 22, 2008 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I was tired and forgetful when I said, and did not say those things. "Just wait until you folks are over sixty, and you will find out that you too will be going through life in a mostly confused and addled state like Hillary and I now are" Bill Clinton
April 22, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I don't steal cars"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8xHgGc4zLM
April 22, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill needs to lay off the coke.
April 24, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink