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Bill Clinton: Media Acted Like Hillary Was "Just Making Up All This Stuff" On Bosnia

During a campaign stop today in Indiana, Bill Clinton defended his wife's reputation on the Bosnia flap, claiming it was all a product of a misstatement at 11 p.m.

"This is a big deal to her," Bill said. "Some of you may have seen that she took a terrible beating in the press for a few days because, she was exhausted at 11 o'clock at night and she started talking about Bosnia and she misstated the circumstances under which she landed in Bosnia. Did you all see all that?"

"And, oh, they acted like she was practically Mata Hari, you know? Just making up all this stuff," he added, then going on to describe just how dangerous a place Bosnia was.

Sleep deprivation doesn't completely explain Hillary's series of comments. But either way, the Clinton camp might still not be too happy having the story pushed back into the headlines.


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Is he crazy? Does he think we're all stupid?? That there aren't multiple YouTubes on this???

*She repeated the lie more than once.* It wasn't just a single isolated 11 p.m. boner.

He is betting that enough people are stupid enough to believe their lies.

"stupid" is so harsh, though. just substitute "low-information voter" and you may be on to something.

If she can't get her story straight at 11:00 PM, I'm damn sure this is not the one I want to answer the phone at 3:00 AM.
Jeese, these cast of clowns have more excuses than they have mindless political attacks.

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The clinton's habit of blaming other people whenever they screw up or get caught in a lie is irritating, but it's also kind of disturbing. It scares up this sympathy for people who don't know he's lying and you end up with all these people who believe inaccurate things and have a fierce loyalty to false stories. Just look at people like Billy Glad and other Hillary fans who believe all kinds of nonsense.

Heh... boner

He doesn't think we're ALL stupid. Just Hillary supporters. Remember they tend to be less educated.

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I keep saying how much the Clinton's don't get all the new technology. They're stuck in the '90s, as evidenced by Sen. Clinton's mantra of "Well, weren't the '90s great?" It's funny to me to see that when they have used technology it has only been after Sen. Obama's campaign implemented it first. Even the Clinton's website has started to mimick Obama's with the hyperfocus on a state. Of course, he's always done that and they've only started to do it. It's like they didn't think that all the technological advances in the last 8 years would effect their 3rd term run.

Well, I dunno, they are breaking ground with some new technology at the Clinton camp too! Sen. Clinton announced that she shall converse with the North Carolinians by responding to their concerns through a TV ad.

Ah, it recalls me to the heady days of my youth when the world was forever changed by the semaphore giving way to the electrochemical telegraph!

The funny thing, as with Hillary's statements before, is that them telling the truth would have been a lot worse than the lies.

I mean, think about it: their story is that they took their only child, Chelsea, a minor at the moment, in a dangerous country and even made the poor teenager land there under sniper fire. How crazy can a parent be to do something like that? Do you actually know anyone like that?

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He's wagering that the Internet has yet to extend to Indiana. It's a little known fact that due to the poor transmission characteristics of corn-bearing soil, this is actually true.

And the press have been very kind to her. They generally have just repeated her excuses, even if arguing against them with her sometimes.

I have not yet heard the words "lies," "lack of truth," or any other negative words used in the MSM about her statements (lies) about Bosnia.

Sleep deprivation doesn't explain the two other times she lied about it either.

OK, for the life of me I don't understand why he'd bring this up again. I've seen tape of her saying this multiple times, in none of them was she speaking at 11PM, and in most she seemed to be speaking from prepared remarks.

Wonder if Idiotic's gone to bed...

It is bizarre he'd bring this up, but it's also bizarre how angry you all are about it, and the story in general. She embellished an anecdote and told a tall tale, loosely based on real events. Yes, it was a lie, and a stupid one, but hardly a big deal. As if Obama or anyone else hasn't embellished stories before.

And anyone who was seriously voting for her because they thought dodging sniper fire= critical foreign policy experience, you're better off voting for the guy who touts a 3 week vacation in Pakistan 27 years ago as an integral part of his resume.

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I think you're mistaking anger for schadenfreude. (Not that schadenfreude is a particularly flattering emotional response, but it isn't exactly unnatural at this point, either.)

No, actually, it really does irk me. One of Hillary's supporters here keeps saying "what did you not like about the 90s, the peace or the prosperity." Truth is, I liked both just fine, (though I don't see how they get to the conclusion that bringing Hillary to the White House will turn the twenty-teens into the 90s.)

What I didn't like was the way the fed off of all the strife and, especially, all the lying, and the lying about the lying and the lying about the lying about the lying and, even more particularly, about they way the never seemed to learn that the damage from just telling the goddamned truth, however damaging, is always, by definition, going to be less than the damage from having been caught lying about a damaging truth.

So when Bill shows up and once again starts telling one of his patented lies about a lie about a lie, it brings back bad memories of all the times in the 90s that he handed me, and millions of other Democrats who had defended him, a big s_ _t sandwich to eat after the truth was came out.

Furthermore, this repeated lying cost the Democratic Party dearly. So, while the Clintons survived, the Dems lost ground in the Congress and the state houses. And then Al Gore lost in 2000 and the whole country is suffering because of the lying.

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Thanks for restating the word "lie" for us in so many different ways. I like "tall tale," although I usually reserve that one for stories about Paul Bunyan. Seems to me that anyone who is willing to lie about being shot at by snipers, knowing she's going to get caught, would lie about just about anything. Like being against NAFTA, for instance. Or CAFTA. Or withdrawing from Iraq. Or any number of issues important to the American people. Consider the following, compared to her current stated position, knowing what you know about her willingness to lie in order to add credibility to her resume.

From ABC News:

Because the larger context is more important. And Clinton's written criticism of the war in a press statement in January 2005 received little attention compared to the press surrounding her trip to Iraq the next month, in February 2005.

Upon returning she argued that setting a deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops would aid the enemy.

“I don’t think it’s useful to set a deadline because I think it sends a signal to the terrorists and the insurgents that they just have to wait us out,” she said.

Describing her trip to Iraq, she said, "It’s regrettable that the security needs have increased so much. On the other hand, I think you can look at the country as a whole and see that there are many parts of Iraq that are functioning quite well."

She also interpreted a series of suicide bomb attacks as an indication that the insurgency was failing.

“The concerted effort to disrupt the elections was an abject failure," she said. "Not one polling place was shut down or overrun. The fact that you have these suicide bombers now, wreaking such hatred and violence while people pray, is to me, an indication of their failure.”

In an interview with NBC's Meet the Press on Feb. 20, 2005, Clinton said that withdrawing some troops or setting a date for withdrawal would be a "mistake."

"I don't believe we should tie our hands or the hands of the new Iraqi government," Clinton said. "We don't want to send a signal to the insurgents, to the terrorists that we are going to be out of here at some, you know, date certain."

"We have just finished meeting with the current prime minister, the deputy prime minister and the finance minister, and in our meetings, we posed the question to each of them as to whether they believed that we should set a firm deadline for the withdrawal of American troops," Clinton said. "To a person, and they are of different political parties in this election, but each of them said that would be a big mistake, that we needed to make clear that there is a transition now going on to the Iraqi government. When it is formed, which we hope will be shortly, it will assume responsibility for much of the security, with the assistance and cooperation of the coalition forces, primarily U.S. forces."

Clinton said that "what the American people need to know is, number one, we are very proud of our young men and women who are here," and second, "there can be no doubt that it is not in America's interests for the Iraqi government, the experiment in freedom and democracy, to fail. So I hope that Americans understand that and that we will have as united a front as is possible in our country at this time to keep our troops safe, make sure they have everything they need and try to support this new Iraqi government."

She soon told New York Daily News editors and reporters that it was important for Democrats to combat the idea that they're soft on national security issues like Iraq.

"If you can't persuade a majority of people that you're going to be strong and tough where we need to protect America and our [national] interests, you can't cross the [electoral] threshold," she said.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/in-oregon-clint.html

It bugs me on a number of levels. Most particularly because she's trying to polish her hawkish credentials and manufacture some gap between herself and Barack on the whole CinC thing. She doesn't need to do that; both she and Barack are qualified to be CinC and to pretend otherwise is quixotic at best or damaging to the person who will be out nominee (not her). It's the typical losing Dem strategy of trying to be as hawkish as Republicans, just like she did by voting for the AUMF.

And then as a veteran, it just pisses me off more that she's triangulating about stuff like this (AUMF, pretending you've been in combat).

Tomorrow Bill will claim he was sleep deprived and dodging sniper fire while on the campaign trail spreading this drivel.

paging idiotic

CLINTON = LIAR

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I often lie down when I'm sleep deprived, but I don't feel the need to just lie.

Thank you. Thank you all. What a terrific audience. I'll be here all the week.

"I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again," he said with a clenched jaw and stern expression that day. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. These allegations are false."

FBI to Test Dress

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/starr073198.htm

A Clinton Family Trait

Bosnia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

If she says this at 11pm, how can we trst her at 3am? You know, when there is a phone ringing?

that was pretty funny.

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And that's the rejoinder!

Hillary said she got off a plane and there was sniper fire. In reality, Hillary got off a plane and there was no sniper fire.

Yep, sounds like she made it up to me.

Being caught lying about Tuzla: costly.

The lie captured on viral youtube video: very costly.

Bill Clinton vouching for Hillary's honesty: priceless.

ROFLMAO

A lps (little pink star) for you.

"Priceless", indeed. What a family, jeez !!!

Why, why, why oh why on earth would he bring this back up? The damage was done; the story was finished. You can't un-ring the bell. And Bill's BARELY 1/2 truths simply provide another reminder of why people are skeptical of the Clintons'.

You know, I used to admire President Clinton on some levels. But watching both of them campaign is kind of sad. It's 2008 and they are campaigning, and thinking they can get away with things, as if it were 1992. Like watching a great athlete at the end of their career; washed up, still chasing glory, and playing out the string for a different team. It's Unitas playing for the Chargers or Ali fighting Larry Holmes.

Sad.

Why, why, why oh why on earth would he bring this back up? The damage was done; the story was finished. You can't un-ring the bell. And Bill's BARELY 1/2 truths simply provide another reminder of why people are skeptical of the Clintons'.

You know, I used to admire President Clinton on some levels. But watching both of them campaign is kind of sad. It's 2008 and they are campaigning, and thinking they can get away with things, as if it were 1992. Like watching a great athlete at the end of their career; washed up, still chasing glory, and playing out the string for a different team. It's Unitas playing for the Chargers or Ali fighting Larry Holmes.

Sad.

I agree. The story of this primary is young v. old. I'm all for Obama but sometimes I feel so bad for the Clintons, when it looks like they are just sort of running into walls because they are using an obsolete. Then Lanny Davis says something and I get over my sympathy.

Was "35 years of experience" another 11 pm misstatement? And, how 'bout them tears?

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The worst part about the Clinton's self-destructing like this: the fact that somewhere Rush Limbaugh is laughing and thinking "I told you so!"

Ugh ... Really? Why do they do this? Do they really think people are so stupid?

Maybe they do. I just don't know anymore.

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"Do they really think people are so stupid?"

Shit, that's been their entire campaign strategy!

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You know, you're right. So right ...

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Honestly, I hope Obama's sitting back in his seat wherever he is, laughing his ass off. This is a gift, plain and simple. People had largely stopped talking about her blatant lies (I say "lies" because she said it many more times than that 11pm instance Bill's citing).

I'm embarrassed that I spent good time and energy campaigning, supporting and defending these clowns.

The strangest thing to me about the Tuzla lie is that the US press refuses to use the word "lie." Like here, Eric writes that being tired does not "completely" explain HRC's "series of comments." What the hell? We all know, because of the video, that she fully made up a story. There was no "misstatement" that can be "explained" other than by admitting she made it up. Overseas, the papers did not employ these silly euphemisms. The London Telegraph's headline was something like, "Clinton's lies about Bosnia garner unwanted press attention." I just don't understand why the US press is so coy with this.

Pssst! This is the (Clintons) we're talking about! You never now, you can never really count them out! And everybody knows you don't want to be on their "bad" list.

I'm equally surprised that, given the recent re-introduction of Wright as a campaign issue by Hillary supporters, nobody's talking about the Clinton scandals and smears.

As in "we know full well that Bill Clinton didn't let the terrorists slip between his fingers in the 90s, and that it's not really directly related to Hillary, but that's not the issue, the issue is that the Republicans will use that against her"

"We know full well that Hillary didn't kill Vince Foster or have anything shady to do with him, but that's not the issue..."

"We know full well that Hillary never stole anything from the White House, but that's not the issue..."

"We realize that Hillary is not a congenital liar, but that's not the issue..."

Oh yeah, drug smuggling, cattle futures, the list goes on. I don't believe it. That's not the issue though...


Pretty soon, Hillary's support would have to rely on people like this on one on HuffPo (unfortunately, I think it's representative of a broad base of support for Hillary. Convince me otherwise..):

"I can tell you, as a Hillary suppoter, I have NO problem with her Colombian $$$$$$$. I don't care if that stupid rumor is true that they killed a lot of peoplebeginning with Foster. I don't care who they sleep with, who does their hair, or how priviledged they are now. She can do all the things this guy says she can. Restoring our good rep, our economy and narrowing the gap. She can do it, because she has the experience to do it. That's simply all I care about. I don't want to be united with anybody. I don't give a rat's ass about racism. I don't want unspecified change, just for the sake of change. All I want is the country/world the Clintons left us with in 2001."

How many do you think there are?

Oh, I agree. I'm hoping that O goes on the air before PA with an ad using the Tuzla video.

And also I hope that someone finally has the guts to ask her what Bill's role will be in the White House, what will they do to assure transparency, and what kind of democratic check we will have on him. There are pretty serious conflicts-of-interest and accountability issues there. Enough with this co-president nonsense.

I've tried to pitch hard for a clear statement from Hillary on Bill's role. She wouldn't get away without doing it in the general, why would she get away with it now?

I don't believe she has a good answer. Her campaign says that they'll do it when time comes for the general. Well I don't buy it! I want it NOW!

She's trying to have it both ways with the democrats, both the Bill-lovers (it'll be the 90s again), and the Bill-haters (it's me who will be the president, I disagree with Bill on issues, and he won't be able to sway me.)

What is she planning to do about it in the general? Make some jokes about it to "diffuse" the situation?

Preposterous.

Exactly. She's terrified to lose the votes. Which goes to her complete lack of political courage and inability to articulate and stick to a defined position. She's not a fighter -- she's a capitulator who shadowboxes.

Sad.

Big Dawg has been really out of touch this election year. He seems out of touch on a whole host of things. I hate to see them cut at themselves like this. I hate, even more, to see them cut Obama.

C'mon folks - the 11PM lie was sleep deprivation. Before that it was SAD (seasonal affective disorder), PTSD (attacked by imaginary snipers), anxiety attack, and bad hair. It could have happened to anyone.

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You want to know the funny part?

The instance that she told this lie and got caught for it? It was during a speech she delivered...in the morning.

Fellow Pennsylvanians, let's end this.

You in Philly too scientific? The Obama signs are in more than a few windows on my block. If the PA polls trend continues, she might win by less than 5%. Awesome.

(except for the big state argument continuing after she gains 2 delagates (when did VA and MO become so small and meaningless?))

Here's hoping he wins it. I'm jobless and should spend the next week volunteering full time, should be fun.

If she does not win PA by double digits then PA will not matter.

Onwards to IN.

Only IN gets to determine who the Democratic nominee will be because if the candidate cannot win the IN primary, then the candidate will not win in the general and if the candidate cannot win IN then that person cannot be the next President.

(when did VA and MO become so small and meaningless?)

after she lost those primaries.

Interestingly, that leaked Obama spreadsheet which has been pretty spot on projects an Obama win in IN by a margin almost as big as he projects for NC (somewhere around 11 or 13 points). It says he will lose PA by 5 points. For OH they predicted a 7 point loss.

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Bill's problem is that he's so used to making up excuses for his own cock-ups that he can't break the habit, even when it's his wife's misbehavior instead of his. Perhaps in few days Bill will resurrect the Whitewater and cattle-futures investments just to remind us of their mutual sleaze of several decades ago.

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heh heh. you said "cock-ups"

Bill Clinton: Media Acted Like Hillary Was "Just Making Up All This Stuff" On Bosnia.

yeah. She did.

Interesting how he ends with, "Did you all see all that?" Like you say to the person next to you when they just missed something really interesting. And if it doesn't sound familiar to you, it's only because you missed it.

Mata Hari is also an interesting choice of comparison/costume change. She was known (and executed by firing squad) for her lies and deceits but history and popular culture have since painted her as a mysterious and possibly misunderstood woman. She's the classic femme fatale, who in modern consciousness is also the victim of misogyny.

Check out this discussion of the femme fatale in popular culture:

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/noir/np05ff.html

Transcript of the speech she did in the morning reading off prepared remarks.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553

Yes she lied, and Bill is lying.

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I'm often sleep deprived, but the condition has never cause me to make shit up.

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That's just freaky.

I used to be married to a compulsive liar. There was a distinct pattern. He'd make a big lie, get caught, big drama, he'd be sorry, say he'd never do it again etc., and then a week later he'd be saying he never told the lie in the first place, and I was crazy for saying he had.

When this goes on long enough, you actually do start thinking maybe you're the crazy one, and you start to doubt your own memory, and you lose track of what the lies were.

I think he's trying to do the country what my ex used to do to me. Throw out a combination of lies, charm and obfuscation until the whole country just throws up its hands and says, "whatever you want, I don't care, I just don't want to deal with it anymore."

A reason why Tuzla-gate received so much media play was how Senator Clinton handled it after she got caught. Had she just said, "I was wrong," there would have been much less fallout. However, like the Fonz on "Happy Days," she seems incapable of making that admission.

Tuzla, her pledge to the DNC to abide by its rules, her Iraq vote - Senator Clinton finds it difficult to take responsibility for situations of her own making.

Pangaea points out H. Clinton's worst trait -- she can never admit to being wrong. In this she is more like Bush than any other candidate who ran this year and it's why we should all be afraid of her winning. Good post, Pangaea.

And as for Bill - Bill, go back to Arkansas, and take that Finger with you.

The weird thing is why did she have to lie about it in the first place? She already had the argument about foreign policy going over pretty good. She was there with Sinbad and news cameras so there were people to refute. It speaks to a pattern of lies and exaggeration - like the compulsive liar Phoebe mentions above. Maybe it was because she got off easy on the lie about negotiating to open the borders in Macedonia, you know - the borders that were opened the day before she got there.

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Um, Bill...

She was making that stuff up.

And she told the story more than once so that "sleep deprivation" line just doesn't cut it.

Does he know they have his wife on video tape?

Aaaaaaargh, this guy is so shameless! He knows Hillary said it at least four times, and was fully conscious of her actions when she did, having taken a decision to introduce the Bosnia sniper-fire story into the public dialogue to make her look experienced compared to Obama. He knows we all know this too. But he thinks that by stating otherwise - and he is skillful at presenting this kind of casual distortion of the truth, in a beautifully believable everyday manner - the mass of the public will believe Hillary was the victim. Instead of the manipulating, fabricating operator she clearly is. Just like him! It will be America's nightmare if these two fibbers get into office again.

That Finger of Bill's says: "I am the expert here, and you are the students. Listen to me and learn. You aren't capable of thinking for yourselves. I AM IN CHARGE, and my anger comes from the fact that NOBODY ELSE HERE SEEMS TO REALIZE IT. And I'm gonna wag this Finger at you-all until you do."

Actually, it is kind of sad. He has lost so much respect and goodwill. All for naught.

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I actually agree with Bill on this.

I support Obama over Hillary, but all this "OMG she's a LIAR!!!" was way over the top.

No more than her "he has a nasty pastor" comments. That was straight from her, and she didn't defend him, or at least give him a pass, on pretense that the "patriot republicans" would give him a hard time over it. she burned a lot of sympathy reserves over that one.

so can you imagine what "war hero" McCain would have done with the Tuzla incident?

Normally I'd agree with you on cutting Hillary some slack. However, when a pol lies this ineptly and then has their surrogate in chief blame it on the media its a slap in the face. I mean how stupid do these people think we are?

But she did lie. It's clear and proven. No bias - only open eyes - needed to acknowledge this as simple fact. And dear Bill is now trying to obscure the fact :-)

So, if she cannot be trusted at 11PM (the reason why she cannot be trusted is not really relevant and frankly caving under pressure and sleep deprivation is not exactly the best credential for the job she is vying for), why is she to be trusted at 3AM?

Excuses, excuses for a has been.

"Sleep deprivation doesn't completely explain Hillary's series of comments" Huh? Eric is tacitly participating in this ruse by the Clintons. She made the same statements about Bosnia over a period of weeks. It was not a sleep deprived mistatement. Their daughter corroborated her mother's statements as well. The Clinton family seems to be composed of congenital liars. Good God I hope and pray that Chelsea pursues another line of work.

It almost appears that Big Bill doesn't really want
Big Hill on the hill. Is it possible that he is
intentionally undermining her campaign? Imagine
being the first first husband after two terms as
the man.
I bet he would like less scrutiny of
his choice of late night company than would be offered under a Hill in the house.
He is far too astute a campaigner to
'mis-understand' the ramifications of
anything he says.
Bill is a misogynist and I don't think he
could accept a woman president. Let alone be her lackey.

Well, he works very hard for something he doesn't want then. He does more speeches and rallies in PA than Hillary and Chelsea combined.

You wrote: "Is it possible that he is intentionally undermining her campaign?"

I would replace "intentionally" with "subconsciously."

I'm sure that in his own mind, no one wants Hillary to win more than Bill. However, while I generally hate the tendency for pundits, columnists, bloggers and anonymous posters to play amateur psychologist, so much of what Bill does undermines her that I have to wonder whether there isn't a part of him that can't stand the idea of his wife outdoing him in anything.

As an Obama supporter, I just hope Bill keeps going out there, red-faced and unhinged, to keep saying the stupidest things and keep reminding people of the unpleasant aspects of his presidency.

Way to bring this back up? I am watching the MSM right now and they are ripping apart Bill Clinton for talking about this and lying again.

Bill is a huge liability for HRC's campaign, because he reminds the country that he, by association HRC, cannot be trusted.

As I have said before SHE WILL LIE TODAY SHE WILL LIE TOMORROW AND SHE WILL CONTINUE TO LIE UNTIL HELL FREZZES OVER!!!she is getting to where she does not know that she is lieing to herself and US!!!Also Bill is just as bad as Hillary is.

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It depends on what your definition of "is" is.

We already know Bill and Hillary are a couple of congenital liars. Now one liar is defending the other.

Let's just hope and pray that Obama can pull off a win in Pennsylvania so we can put and end to this pathetic farce and be done with both of them for a while.

Interesting. It may be this may be a subconscious motive. In the back of his head, he may be thinking, "What if she became President and ended up being a better one than I? What would that do to my legacy?"

Did you see the film clip from the Elton John fundraiser in which he said that he agreed with Chelsea (i.e., Senator Clinton will be a better President than he was)? I wonder how tough it was for him to say that!

stemper: *She repeated the lie more than once.*

How many times will Hillary and Bill have to repeat the truth for it to sink in? Do they remind you of anyone?

"If you have retired, you don't have anything to worry about -- third time I've said that. I'll probably say it three more times, see? In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxnegxNEDAc

He is a pathological liar, they both are, they can't help it. So stop making fun of them, it is like making fun of a developmentally disabled person, out of their control, it is pathological. Jeez.

Hey, does anyone have the video of this? They played the clip on the Today Show, but I can't find it on youtube.

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HELP! HELP! I'M BEING SHOT AT BY SNIPERS!!!

Oh, wait, no. I'm just sleepy. Never mind...

The Clinton Self-Swiftboating campaign continues.. Wait for the next video to make the rounds

BILL: And some of them when they're 60 they'll forget something when they're tired at 11:00 at night, too.

Again, with this 11:00 at night nonsense! Repeat after me Bill:

December 29, 2007
February 29, 2008
March 17, 2008 (2x)
None of them at 11PM. None!

Does he not realise what he's said? "And some of them when they're 60 they'll forget something when they're tired at 11:00 at night, too."

What the hell will they then do when they're answering the 3am phone?

I know I say this a lot on here about specific individuals in the Clinton campaign, but I haven't said it yet for Bill.

Bill Clinton is a son of a bitch.

"Bill Clinton is a son of a bitch."

Do you really, really, really want to start in with the name calling? Really? If so, I'm good for it - I'd betcha I can come up with a couple of doozies for the Dear Leader.

Just let me know, young Hoost, and it'll be game on.

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It's worth replaying Josh Marshall's Summa Bosniatica at this point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Z9o37FQI4&feature=user

She told the lie the first time as a snarky reply to the "she went to a lot of teas" comment from the Obama campaign. I think that's very telling. And then her kneejerk defensive response mushroomed in subsequent retellings. And even after Sinbad refuted her, she kept on.

And nobody has really pressed her on her claim that she was the "first high-profile American" to go to Bosnia, even though Bill was there months earlier.

This is really important.

I'm not sure why Clinton's shifting (and well-documented) positions on Iraq haven't received more scrutiny.

In the interview you cite, she is, of course, stating John McCain's current position.

I think it will be devastating to her credibility in the general election.

Imagine the debate, where McCain quotes Hillary on Iraq, to buttress his own argument, and destroy her C in C cred.

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How about her views on Iran. It is not only McCain's policies that she syncs with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFZL33nPoEU

It is well known that all politicians are/were not particular roll models for their fellow citizens, but there are some conventional rules of conduct, and Hillary repeatedly breaks them, or seems to be unable to follow them. Her obvious lies, unpaid bills - seem odd, inadequate, and unnecessary, but...
This inability to control her attention seeking impulses is puzzling and alarming. It falls into category of personality disorder and fits together with other symptoms: being easily influenced by others and circumstances (take her relationship with Penn, her war record, etc.)

I have said this in the past. I believe it IS a personality disorder; and, at this point in time, she isn't going to get well.


Personality disorders are almost impossible to cure because those with PD actually believe their lies or that their lies are justified. Getting them to the point where the pain of their lies actually helps to create change doesn't happen because they believe OTHERS cause the pain.

An impeached perjurer who has been disbarred lies to cover his wife's misstatements and fabrications.

And people wonder why so many of us can't find it in our hearts to get behind this dynamic duo?

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Of all the lies in that little speech, the one that strikes me as the biggest is "she was exhausted, misstated and immediately apologized for it."

The only factual word in that statement was "she".

This story resonates because we can all relate. Everyone knows at least one person who can't seem to stop themselves from exaggerating, distorting, and "embellishing" the past to make themselves look good -- even when such lies are totally unnecessary and the truth would serve.

Such lies are not effective and so cannot be justified even on the basis of "the ends justify the means". Even for those who perversely admire Senator Clinton because she will "do whatever it takes" to push forward her agenda, this episode is a disturbing warning sign.

We all see how weak President Bush became when he lost his credibility. Even if she manages to take the Presidency, Senator Clinton may struggle to lead because of the nagging credibility problems highlighted by the reaction to Bosnia.

Bill Clinton is counting on the fact that most voters DO NOT know Hillary repeated the Bosnia story several times and could not have claimed sleep deprivation for each occurrence.

Another consideration is that hellacious liars, at some level of consciousness, begin to believe their own lies.

One of the great disappointment of my adult life was to realize that Bill Clinton is just such a hellacious liar.

Hey Obama supporters, do not waste your time blogging. I sure sure there are plenty of women you have not called F*cking Wh*res today. Keep up your uplifting campaign and get out there. You get extra points from Obama if you can all cheer after you say it.

Wooo CHECKMATE!!!

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Bill Clinton is bringing this back up because he is pissed off that the country hasn't just handed this thing over to Hillary yet. That is why they keep blaming the media and everyone else, because they are just flabbergasted that this is even a contest.

Before he left the DNC Terry McAuliffe stacked the primary schedule up front for a big Super Tuesday so that she could knock out any contenders early and when that didn't happen they had no plan B. I think that Hillary is confused and surprised about the situation but not necessarily angry like Bill is. I honestly think that he is offended that the party hasn't just given him the legacy bonus that he wanted and handed the nomination over on a silver platter.

He also reiterated the Clinton campaign talking point (which is also a lie) that Clinton was the first, first lady since Eleanor Roosevelt to go into a war zone. Actually Pat Nixon was.

You guys are all being awfully harsh on someone who suffers from night terrors.

Bill Clinton has become the "thing that wouldn't leave."

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The discourse here is virtually indistiguishable from hot air and other conservative blogs:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/10/unbelievable-clinton-lies-shamelessly-about-hillarys-shameless-tuzla-lie/

Lovely.

kickbass, you've got to remember: Most of the Obamabots were weaned on Republican talking points. This is the same generation that actually thinks Kelly Clarkson is actually an idol. They're culturally and constitutionally unable to come up with their own thoughts and ideas.

Actually, I would be willing to bet that I'm older than you. And I attended Clinton's first inauguration. Unfortunately, fifteen years of experience with the Clintons changed my mind, not Republican talking points.

If people who like Kelly Clarkson are zombies, what does that say about people who like a candidate whose 11 pm exhaustion makes her remember a Bosnian sniper loaded action scene that never happened?

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ABC News has a very good, point by point fact check of all Clinton lies/errors/mistatements/boners/pinocchios/whoopsies on this subject:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/from-the-fact-c.html

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The amazing thing to me is that this is more and more proof that the Clintons just can't admit any mistakes or take any criticism. Christ, talk about Bush Lite!

The MSM (yes, it's a crappy acronym) is portraying this correctly. On the "Today" show this morning, Matt Lauer was talking to Chris Matthews about it and Lauer was pointing out the absurdity of Bill's 'argument', noting that hillary told the story several times and one of those was in the morning. Of course Matthews didn't jump on it, spineless twat.

Hey dembilic, a little frustrated are we?

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Bill is the biggest lying a--hole around.

I think this is intended to confuse the people who aren't paying that much attention (her bases).

It's the old Rovian "muddy the waters" strategy.

Remember when Bush went AWOL and the Dan Rather flap. The Rather flap didn't disprove Bush goign AWOL and dodging the draft. But it did muddy the waters enough for the Swiftboaters to smear Kerry, and make their Vietnam service a wash.

"Bill is the biggest lying a--hole around."

Again with the name-calling. Sigh.....

I guess you won't mind if I say, "Barack is the biggest lying n---er around."

Do you really want to go there?

I must say, while not condoning name-calling on either side, that I don't think "lying a-hole" and "n****r" are really of equal weight.

No, they're not even remotely the same. The fact that EastWest thinks they're the same illuminates where some of these Obama-haters are coming from.

Then you're condoning name-calling. Sad.

What's even more sad is watching you twist and turn and make excuses about how your name-calling is worse than somebody else's name-calling.

And who are you to say which vulgarity is "better" than another? Pretty freakin' arrogant.

How am I condoning name-calling? I think calling Bill an asshole is out of line and I reject and denounce it.

But the simple fact is some words are harsher or more hurtful than others. "N*****r" is a lot more powerful a word than "asshole" just as "cu*t" is worse than "b**ch."

EastWest: using the N-word is much much much worse then saying "asshole." If you don't understand that, then you are most likely racist.

Actually, let me take back the lying part, because that's not so much "name-calling" as it is an accurate description of Bill's comments.

So, just "a-hole."

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Bill's right, it's the media's fault. The vicious truthmongers!

Clintons: Everything is everyone elses fault.

Cheating on your wife in the oval office? Newt Gingrich's fault.

If she took that pill with the glowing green butterfly to overcome the sleep deprivation, could she still answer the phone at 3 am?

These are good ones, as well: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/bill-clinton-re.html

This part is rich:

President Clinton's described his wife's experience, saying, "There was a lot of fulminating because Hillary, one time late at night when she was exhausted, misstated and immediately apologized for it - what happened to her in Bosnia in 1995. Did y'all see all that. Oh, they blew it up. Let me just tell you." Clinton then criticized the press, saying, “You woulda thought, you know, that she'd robbed a bank the way they carried on about this. And some of them, when they're 60, they'll forget something when they're tired at 11:00 at night, too."

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/from-the-fact-c.html


Reading Bill's comments, one concern jumps out at me over all others:

If it was such a dangerous place, why did you send your wife and child there?

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That's the reason I knew it was a lie from the beginning. There are many things I don't like about the Clintons, but I will never, ever accuse them of being bad parents. I had great respect for the way they tried to shield Chelsea from the press.

They were far too protective of Chelsea to ever send her into a situation where she would have faced sniper fire. End of story. Lie exposed.

Meanwhile, over at 'the field' people are talking about "street money" in PA. the thing is Clintons can go around telling lies that have been proven lies yet it's ok because they can still pay people 10,20 or 50$ per vote to win! BTW Obama said his campaign was not interested in, of course. even though Clinton's another "firewall" is going to be IN after PA and we're going to see whole lot of Clinton "rebroadcasting" like this, so I'd better get used to it...

Bill Clinton has completely lost control of himself, with this, the most "Rovian" contempt for the intelligence of the electorate thus far.

I've noticed few political stories have been breaking into Yahoo's top ten most viewed in recent days (a sign of Clinton/Obama fatigue, I think), but as I write this, a frank AP story on this farce is number one, with the opening line -

"Former President Clinton has added to the falsehoods surrounding his wife's tale of her trip to Bosnia 12 years ago."

And the Clinton responses are hilarious! But they won't help them at all. Like most of his politically ugly distractions, this one won't go back in the bottle.

The AP story -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080411/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_bosnia_fact_check

from swimming freestyle:

"I'm no psychologist, but I can't help but wonder if Bill Clinton doesn't have a self destructive streak. A couple weeks after his wife was eviscerated in the press for embellishing her version of a trip to Bosnia, Bill Clinton raised the issue again yesterday and again today."

http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

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