Big-Bucks Donors Also Key To Obama's Fundraising Success
I haven't seen this analysis done before, and it's worth a look. The Washington Post examines Obama's astonishing fundraising success in detail and finds that while Obama has reaped the benefits of what is effectively a small donor revolution, his corralling of huge numbers of givers has been partly enabled by a team of wealthy "bundlers":
Seventy-nine "bundlers," five of them billionaires, have tapped their personal networks to raise at least $200,000 each. They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed. Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million.
This doesn't change the significance of Obama's fundraising accomplishment; it merely explains it in a more probing way than we've seen yet. The whole thing is worth a read.
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Comments (89)
Yeahh, considering how much he has raised total, that isn't all that much.
Hey, I'm just glad he pays his bills ;)
April 11, 2008 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this actually reinforces how different his fundraising is from any other candidate.
If these were his only donors, then it would be the same. However, they make up only a very tiny percentage (single digit) of both number of donors and even AMOUNT RAISED!
Bush wouldn't have raised anything without max donors and bundlers.
Obama would still be vastly outraising everyone else even if these folks didn't exist.
April 11, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
btw, I think my conclusion is that your headline is not quite right, given that the article doesn't really show that: "Big-Bucks Donors Also Key To Obama's Fundraising Success."
Maybe "Big-Bucks Donors Also Play a Role in Obama's Fundraising Success," but I don't think the numbers justify the description of them as "Key."
April 11, 2008 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is really impressive when he raises money by having his surrogates call women F*cking Wh*res at fundraisers. What a class act this Obama campaign.
April 11, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
That was not a fundraiser.
April 11, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh Really, then why was it listed on the Obama for President website?
April 11, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone can list anything on that website. If you remember, there was the brouhaha over the New Black Panther Party "endorsing" Obama simply because they had a profile on the site. Then in the next couple of days people were creating fake Sean Hannity and Fox News avatars. If I were to have a party tonight, I could list it as an event and invite other Obama supporters. To call every such activity a "fundraiser" is disingenuous. Obviously we know that the Obama campaign did not "approve" or "sanction" or otherwise condone any of the remarks made by Ms. Rhodes. They were deplorable and despicable.
April 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, BillySunday, do not waste your time blogging. I sure sure there are plenty of women you have not called F*cking Wh*res today. Keep up your uplifting campaign and get out there. You get extra points from Obama if you can all cheer after you say it.
April 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for your reasoned and passionate support of your candidate. Comments like yours remind me that Hillary Clinton appeals to the better nature of her supporters, and elevates the political discourse to a level where real issues are evaluated and debated with civility and respect. In the future, I look forward to more conversations like this, so that I may continue to learn about Hillary Clinton and the specific policies she promises to bring to the Presidency if elected.
April 11, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's a lot of wasted money.
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April 11, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
You've got to be kidding me. Josh, Greg, Eric? Can someone kill this spammer already?
April 11, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't feed the trolls, folks.
April 11, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's Johnny!
April 11, 2008 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I've said before, the real genius of the Obama campaign showed in how they got ClearChannel to pay for this "fundraiser" AND managed to pass it off as an AirAmerica promotional event. Clever, sneaky folks over there at Obama HQ.
April 11, 2008 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure no Clinton supporter has ever used bad language before! Not on Hillaryis44, or at what passes for a "rally," or at a fundraiser. Right?????
Please.
April 11, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're a certifiable idiot, dumbecillic. You represent the typical Hillary supporter: completely uninformed and damn proud of it.
April 11, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not just that - he's also willing to mislead and exaggerate in order to sway people. Disgusting.
April 11, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
As was the author of the Washington Post article Greg cited.
April 11, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since when was Randi Rhodes a surrogate for Obama? She's no more a surrogate for him than I am.
dembillc, I say to you "Liar, liar, sniper fire!"
April 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's raised a truckload from small donors, and another truckload from big donors. This is a familiar theme. He's won in big states, small states, red states, blue states, states in the west, states in the east, states in the north, states in the south.
And, he pays his bills.
April 11, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seems like the gist here is that rich people like Obama just as much as poor people. Also, it's confusing and misleading to say "Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million." Half of the number of donors, or half of contributions?
For example, 46 people giving $100 each is going to be equal to one rich person giving the full $4,600. However, it would be disingenuous to say that those 46 people only represent "half" of the donors who gave a total of $9,200.
The only number I need to look at is the number of donors. Well over a million. That's what's impressive.
April 11, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'm one of those $2300 donors, but I'm not some big-time money person. I donated in smaller increments over time via the campaign website--I have never attended a fundraiser and I don't know any "bundlers." I've never donated this much, or even close to this much, to any other campaign in the decades since I reached voting age.
April 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why are you Obama supporters even wasting your time blogging? Shouldn't you be out on the street
calling women F*cking Wh*res and then cheering about how witty you are?
April 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
go away troll.
April 11, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clever!
April 11, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's too early in the morning. The real fucking whores don't wake up until at least 11:00. But I'll be waiting for them!
April 11, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent hyperRevue, good insight into the way a typical Obama supporter feels. Thanks for being so candid.
April 11, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent hyperRevue, good insight into the way a typical Obama supporter feels. Thanks for being so candid.
April 11, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent hyperRevue, good insight into the way a typical Obama supporter feels. Thanks for being so candid.
April 11, 2008 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course. When you're right, you're right.
April 11, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shoo--
April 11, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have stopped making sense long ago.
You've been blathering on about Randi Rhodes (NOT Obama) calling Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro foul names.
It wasn't an Obama-sponsored event. Got it?
Rhodes isn't an Obama-campaign surrogate or official. Got it?
Meanwhile, you've got the Republican nominee who, according to multiple sources, called his own wife the worst possible word that anyone could call a woman.
Your reaction? Nothing.
You're response to McCain's words are telling.
You don't give a damn about sexism.
You only care about trying to tear down a fellow Democrat.
Shame on you Dembillc.
BTW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkArNDTdYeQ
Hillary herself isn't the Saint of inclusiveness.
(There's more, much more, to be found on Youtube regarding her derogatory statements, especially anti-semitism, but this was short and too the point)
April 11, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said and seconded.
April 11, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's grassroots fundraising has been really impressive, but his claims really get under my skin. He claims he doesn't take money from lobbyists, yet lobbyists work in his campaign, he takes money from their families, he let's them "bundle"--it's all for appearance but means little in effect. He uses Hillary's contributions from oil against her, yet when it comes to action, he voted in the interest of them for the 2005 Energy Act, giving away billions in tax breaks and subsidies to these companies making record profits--while Hillary voted against it. I don't care where the money comes from as long as they votes in the right manner. Obama tries to make a distinction for political posturing. Isn't that the type of politics he supposedly wants to end?
April 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean to tell me after all this time and everything that I've heard, Obama isn't just bankrolled by Oprah?
And here I thought he was Oprah's sock puppet.
Well well.
Inasmuch as he's got enough money to run a solid campaign (and one of the best run I've ever seen,) I love knowing he is getting donations of large amounts of money so that he can keep campaigning and paying his bills.
April 11, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, what happened to Oprah? Did she stop supporting Obama? I can't find a single word from her about Obama, nor any campaigning by here in months. Did she have a change of heart or realize that it was seriously hurting her popularity and profits.
Matthew
http://www.TheObamaCult.com
April 11, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think she realizes that he's got this thing locked up, and it's just a matter of time now.
April 11, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's get one thing straight: Greg Sargent loves Hillary's big, fat ass. If there's any hope left for her, anyway to undercut Obama's candidacy, and dark story about Obama that could possibly turn this thing around, Greg will find it. Go, Greg, go!
April 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uncalled for.
April 11, 2008 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
What? The part about Hillary's big, fat ass, or pointing out that Greg is totally in the tank for her?
April 11, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, yeah, the big, fat ass part.
April 11, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I like big, fat asses. You ever consider that? Huh? Hill's got back. H-Lo.
April 11, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here--let's just take Greg's post apart a little bit, shall we? He didn't write this garbage, but he's clearly endorsing it:
And the fact that they're billionaires is somehow relevant how? Oh, not at all. That's what I thought. The old "guilt by association" gambit.
The insinuation here is that donors who have given, say five contributions of fifty bucks each are in the same group as donors who give $2300 through a bundler. The author is dishonestly conflating the two groups to try to make it appear that half of Obama's donors are big money donors. As we all know (Greg included), that's just simply not the case.
Like I said, Greg is totally in the tank for Hillary, and he's grasping at straws.
April 11, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I pretty much suck at math, but I believe 27,000 big money donors equals less than 3% of Obama's total donor base to date.
April 11, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
A problem here: Obama is not perfect!
And, who was the last candidate who had 1.2M plus individual contributers?
Please, all of you with issues, name your perfect candidate with a 100% perfect contributers by your definition!
April 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
What this does is show that Obama is raising funds just like everyone else and that his claims to doing so differently are just lies. Further, he is reneging on his agreement to use public financing in the general campaign. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing or, more directly a liar and a fraud.
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
April 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's raising money from big donors, and that makes him similar to other candidates.
The number of donors (1.3 million and counting) distinguishes him from any other candidate, whether you're willing to acknowledge that or not.
April 11, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, that's not what it shows. That's what it insinuates. What it shows is that Greg is totally in the tank for Hillary, and he'll post dishonest crap like this, and even recommend it, in order to make Obama look bad.
April 11, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fucking Whore! Fucking Whore! Fucking Whore!
Ok, satisfied? Will you shut up now?
That's been beaten thoroughly to death and beyond.
April 11, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
HussainTenaX, good to see a woman supporting calling other women names. You are a real class act.
April 11, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you presume that Tena was directing that at women?
April 11, 2008 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
HusseinTenaX, Actually I do not think it has been talked about enough. It is certainly going to lose Obama most of Hillary's supporters if he manages to lie and slime his way to the convention.
April 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
So much hate in you.
April 11, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
You Hillary types are such sore losers. Just like your girl.
April 11, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The tax breaks and the subsidies in the Energy Policy Act of 2005 that you mention give breaks to companies that promote the use of alternative fuels. But any breaks that occur are essentially wiped out by an extension of taxes on large oil corporations
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/397/
April 11, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some good does not outweight so much bad:
"Every industry gets their own little program," said Myron Ebell of the free-market Competitive Enterprise Institute. "There's pork in there for everybody."
The bill exempts oil and gas industries from some clean-water laws, streamlines permits for oil wells and power lines on public lands, and helps the hydropower industry appeal environmental restrictions. One obscure provision would repeal a Depression-era law that has prevented consolidation of public utilities, potentially transforming the nation's electricity markets.
It also includes an estimated $85 billion worth of subsidies and tax breaks for most forms of energy -- including oil and gas, "clean coal," ethanol, electricity, and solar and wind power. The nuclear industry got subsidies for research, waste reprocessing, construction, operation and even decommission. The petroleum industry got new incentives to drill in the Gulf of Mexico -- as if $60-a-barrel oil wasn't enough of an incentive. The already-subsidized ethanol industry got a federal mandate that will nearly double its output by 2012 -- as well as new subsidies to develop ethanol from other sources."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/29/AR2005072901128.html
April 11, 2008 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
To much extrapolation!!!
79 bundlers x 200,000 = 15,8 million or 6.6% of the total amount raised. Not really a lot of influence compared to the 93,4% of other contributions.
The bundlers as well as me the campaign and anyone else for that matter has led to the 27,000 contributions of the max $2,300.
The WP piece ends this paragraph with the total contributions over $200 being nearly half his total 240 million raised. The implication is this is all from the impact of the bundlers... hardly a reasonable extrapolation in my mind.
April 11, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Washington Post piece is dishonest nonsense. As you point out, Obama's big money donors account for a nearly insignificant proportion of his millions raised. What the Washington Post is trying to do is undercut the importance and power of Obama's small donor base.
This was a hit piece. I can't believe Greg is naive enough not to have known what he was posting.
April 11, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, Greg can't be naive enough to steno this hatchet job without knowing what he was posting was without merit.
April 11, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a donor who's given more than $200.
But, I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination. It's been spread out across 10 or so donations made since Obama declared his candidacy a year ago. I just tightened up my fun-money budget and quit buying booze. The sacrifices we make..
April 11, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice to see the Washington Post catching up with a nine-month old Bloomberg story.
Obama Faces `Glass-Houses' Criticism Over Campaign Fund Raising
June 7 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama emphasizes in a new appeal for donations that ``our movement is changing the way campaigns are funded.'' Not that much, it seems.
Data from the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington research group, show that in the first three months of 2007, the Illinois senator drew from many of the same contributors as other White House hopefuls: employees of law firms; investment bankers; Hollywood celebrities.
While Obama doesn't accept money from registered federal lobbyists, five of his 10 biggest sources of funds are groups of employees at law firms that lobby in Washington. He also received $54,650 from 40 people registered to lobby the Illinois state government, according to the Illinois secretary of state's office and the Federal Election Commission.
``His profile of donors isn't that much different from other candidates,'' said Democratic consultant Peter Fenn, who isn't aligned with any presidential candidate. ``If you're the agent of change and you're doing stuff in a similar vein as everybody else, you're vulnerable to the glass-houses argument.''
Employees at the U.S. subsidiary of Zurich-based UBS AG, Europe's largest bank by assets, contributed $162,200 to Obama in the first quarter, more than he received from any other group. Robert Wolf, chief executive officer of UBS Americas Inc., is an Obama fund raiser and hosted two events at company headquarters in New York City.
Giuliani Donors
UBS employees are also among the biggest sources of campaign funds for former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, 63, a leading Republican presidential contender.
Employees of New York-based Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the world's largest securities firm by assets, are among his largest groups of donors; they are also among the biggest backers of his top Democratic rivals, New York Senator Hillary Clinton, 59, and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, 53. Republican candidate Mitt Romney, 60, lists Goldman Sachs employees as his biggest source of contributions.
UBS spokesman Doug Morris and Goldman Sachs spokesman Peter Rose said all donations are individual decisions.
The maximum that any individual can give to a presidential candidate during the primary election campaign is $2,300. Each can give another $2,300 for the general election.
Setting Him Apart
Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the candidate relies heavily on grassroots donors. His refusal to take money from registered federal lobbyists or political action committees sets him apart, she said.
It's ``not only different from the policy of several other candidates in the race, but it is also clear evidence of his own refusal to allow any group or outside party to influence his decision-making,'' she said.
Obama, 45, received donations from 104,000 people, including $6.9 million contributed online, in the first quarter of the year. Twenty-two percent of the $25.8 million he raised in the three months came in amounts of $200 or less, according a Center for Responsive Politics calculation based on FEC figures.
Clinton, the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, raised 8 percent of her $26.1 million in amounts of $200 or less. She reported 60,000 donors and raised $4.2 million online. She took in $234,550 from registered lobbyists, more than any other presidential candidate.
Spielberg's Double Duty
Obama and Clinton list lawyers and securities-industry employees as their top two sources of campaign cash, and each has received more from entertainment industry figures than any other candidate. Director Steven Spielberg co-hosted fund raisers for both of them.
``The idea that you can raise the money needed to run for president and not go to the well-worn-out trough is ludicrous,'' said Democratic consultant Glenn Totten, who is neutral in the presidential race. ``How do you differentiate between lobbyists and firms that lobby?'' he asked, terming it ``a distinction without a difference.''
Among Obama's top donors were employees of the Chicago-based law firm of Sidley Austin LLP, who gave $105,750 in the first quarter. The firm was paid $4.5 million last year to represent such clients as Purchase, New York-based Mastercard Inc. and the Kenilworth, New Jersey-based pharmaceutical company Schering-Plough Corp.
Exelon Employees
Employees of Chicago-based Exelon Corp., the largest U.S. utility owner by market value, were Obama's second-biggest source of campaign donations, right behind UBS, contributing $159,800. Exelon, which has more than 3.7 million customers in Illinois, didn't respond to several requests for comment.
Obama introduced legislation last year to require operators of nuclear power plants, such as Exelon, to tell state and local officials about any leaks of radioactive substances. Current law requires notification only if there is a health or safety emergency. In introducing the measure, Obama cited Exelon's failure to tell officials about the leak of radioactive tritium into nearby groundwater.
Obama, a member of the Senate Health Committee, received $4,600 from Jay Grinney, president of Birmingham, Alabama-based HealthSouth Corp., which last year reached an agreement with the federal government to end the threat of prosecution over a $2.7 billion accounting fraud.
He also received $4,600 from former Federal Communications Commission Chairman William Kennard, a managing director of the Washington-based Carlyle Group, a private equity fund that invests in health-care companies. Kennard is an Obama fund raiser.
April 11, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Next time, maybe you could just post a link. That way we don't need to actually read the moronic article.
April 11, 2008 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
9 months or about 130 million before contributions from what now are over 1 million donors.
Through Feb. the contributions break down as follows:
Size of Donations
$200 and Under $78,069,202
$200.01 - $499 $16,998,789
$500 - $999 $16,959,438
$1000 - $1999 $27,070,851
$2000 and Over $56,773,187
Note that the most important group is the under $2000 group. That is where the money is and I believe his focus as well.
April 11, 2008 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
In case you're interested, employees of companies are free--as private citizens--to donate to any candidate they choose. These are considered private donations. If anyone is insinuating that these employees have somehow been coerced into donating to a candidate that they don't support, I'd say a Federal investigation is in order.
As an example, Obama has received $100,000 or so from employees of law firms and lobbying firms. In contrast, Hillary has received nearly $1,000,000 from the firms themselves. In Obama's case, these are considered private donor contributions. In Hillary's case, it's considered the same old bullshit we've been watching for years.
April 11, 2008 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
"He uses Hillary's contributions from oil against her, yet when it comes to action, he voted in the interest of them for the 2005 Energy Act, giving away billions in tax breaks and subsidies to these companies making record profits--while Hillary voted against it. I don't care where the money comes from as long as they votes in the right manner."
Hold on a sec. Obama never "used Hillary's contributions from oil against her." He responded to repeated attacks by HRC (first in the form of an HRC campaign press release, then a TV advert) that he was "taking money from oil companies," which is a false accusation, albeit just subtly enough so to be sneaky. (Obama has received campaign donations in an amount *100k less than HRC* from *employees* of oil companies, and two of his 79 bundlers are oil services execs.) It is only after the SECOND attack on this front (the PA TV ad, which came out over a month after the initial HRC campaign statement) that he *responded* with, among other things, the point that HRC receives oil company employee donations as well, in fact more than he does.
Finally, as to the 2005 Energy Bill: Let's be clear here. The Energy Policy Act does provide some distressing hidden subsidies for fossil energy companies in the form of decreased geophysical cost assessments, ability to accelerate writeoffs for equipment expenditures, and tax breaks for so-called "clean coal" research. However, it also provides substantial incentives for alternative energy, including actual tax credits, accelerated depreciation schedules, and a mandate for increased renewable portfolio standards at the state level. So it's arguably a net positive for renewable/clean energy (as someone who works in the renewable energy industry, I happen to think it is).
April 11, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
"He uses Hillary's contributions from oil against her, yet when it comes to action, he voted in the interest of them for the 2005 Energy Act, giving away billions in tax breaks and subsidies to these companies making record profits--while Hillary voted against it. I don't care where the money comes from as long as they votes in the right manner."
Hold on a sec. Obama never "used Hillary's contributions from oil against her." He responded to repeated attacks by HRC (first in the form of an HRC campaign press release, then a TV advert) that he was "taking money from oil companies," which is a false accusation, albeit just subtly enough so to be sneaky. (Obama has received campaign donations in an amount *100k less than HRC* from *employees* of oil companies, and two of his 79 bundlers are oil services execs.) It is only after the SECOND attack on this front (the PA TV ad, which came out over a month after the initial HRC campaign statement) that he *responded* with, among other things, the point that HRC receives oil company employee donations as well, in fact more than he does.
Finally, as to the 2005 Energy Bill: Let's be clear here. The Energy Policy Act does provide some distressing hidden subsidies for fossil energy companies in the form of decreased geophysical cost assessments, ability to accelerate writeoffs for equipment expenditures, and tax breaks for so-called "clean coal" research. However, it also provides substantial incentives for alternative energy, including actual tax credits, accelerated depreciation schedules, and a mandate for increased renewable portfolio standards at the state level. So it's arguably a net positive for renewable/clean energy (as someone who works in the renewable energy industry, I happen to think it is).
April 11, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Hold on a sec. Obama never "used Hillary's contributions from oil against her."
This is very, very, extremely false.
"Sen. Barack Obama Friday knocked Sen. Hillary Clinton for taking lobbyists' money and said she was too much a part of "business-as-usual in Washington" to bring about reform.
"In this campaign, [Clinton has] taken nearly double the amount of money from lobbyists than any Democrat or Republican running for president," he said. "That's not being a part of the solutions business. That's being a part of business-as-usual in Washington."
It's part of his stump speech. He uses her contributions against her as if it means something. Once again, it's all words and no action. He voted for the 2005 Energy Bill. She didn't. You may think it was a good bill, but very few other people do. It rolled back many environmental regulations and was a net positive for lobbyists. The wrote it behind closed doors with Dick Cheney. You don't have to give in to these people and set back years of progress just to get a small positive for renewable energy.
April 11, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also, please read this Washington Post article before you defend this bill.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/29/AR2005072901128.html
April 11, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
The energy bill was a clearly mixed bag. As long as we're reading things, you might want to read this:
http://obama.senate.gov/press/050729-_obama_says_energy_bill_helps_/
"Although this a step forward, it's not a very big step," said Obama. "The Department of Energy predicts that American demand will jump by 50 percent over the next 15 years. Meanwhile, the conservative Heritage Foundation says this bill will do virtually nothing to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. And it won't reduce the price of gasoline paid by hardworking Americans. Even President Bush and supporters of the bill in Congress concede as much."
"We could have done more today, and we should do more in the future. We must accept and embrace the challenge of finding a solution to our dependence on foreign oil as one of the most pressing problems of our time. It won't be easy and it won't be without sacrifice, but we owe it to ourselves and to our children so that we can bring down gas prices, protect our environment, and strengthen our national security. This should be one of our top priorities in America."
"So, I vote for this bill reluctantly today, disappointed that we have missed our opportunity to do something bolder that would have put us on the path to energy independence. This bill should be the first step, not the last, in our journey towards energy independence."
April 11, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I understand he had to justify his vote and so he clung to the little bit of good that was in it and pushed that for all it was worth. The point, however, is that this bill was written by lobbyists for lobbyists and he voted for it. Big mistake. Not only does it hurt our environment but it hurts his credibility when he claims he'll stand up to big business and Hillary won't. He didn't. She did.
April 11, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shorter Hillary supporter:
Vote on AUMFAI = Judgment call.
Vote on Kyl-Lieberman = Judgment call.
Vote on large complex energy bill that had both good things and bad things in it but didn't change a whole hell of a lot one way or another = Definitive test of leadership and moral fitness for office.
April 11, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're such a bully on here. I can't speak for other Hillary supporters, but I've admitted that it was a mistake to authorize the war. Hillary has admitted as much as well.
Is it beneath you to admit that Obama made a mistake witht this bill? Or is he perfect in every aspect? The worship makes me sick.
April 11, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 11, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, it's clear the spin in Greg's post is that Obama's contributors are, contrary to conventional wisdom, a bunch of fat cats, that over *half* of them (OMG!) gave more than $200! This is supposed to blunt the fact of Hillary's reliance on fewer, apparently wealthier, donors, a fact that is a little inconvenient when she is wanting to be perceived as the champion of the working-classes.
So, I want to know, what proportion of Hillary's own donor base surpassed the $200 threshold? Although Greg chose not to include the figure (perhaps since it does somewhat undermine his talking point), the Washington Post article does:
Curious about these figures - the implication being that they are cumulative for the primary campaign, but it doesn't actually say so - I paid a visit to the CFI website and found that the figures are actually just for January 2008. That seemed a bit dated, and sure enough there is a more recent (and pertinent; why did the WP use the January only one?) report available, for the primary season - Jan 1, 2007-Feb 29 cumulative.
And those figure are even more dramatic.
$200 or less contributions:
Obama 41%
Clinton 26%
McCain 13%
When you look at the maxed out donors, you see once again dramatic differences between the candidates.
$2300 contributions:
Obama 41%
Clinton 60%
McCain 70%
Note that these figures are Primary receipts only (don't include General Election funds) and the percentages are of the amount of funds raised, not the number of donors at each level.
April 11, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just wanted to note that the WP article seems to be picking numbers at from various places and throwing them together more or less randomly:
That $240 million figure must come from adding the $40 million March estimate to the nearly $200 million official total (through Feb 2008). But the "about half" - where does that come from? It would be more accurate for the Jan 2008 monthly totals, 46%, which as I noted above they used elsewhere in the article, than for the 41% reported in the cumulative figures.
Not to mention the weird non-sequitur, noted by others on this thread - one sentence refers to money collected by bundlers in $2300 chunks, and the next to $200+ donations; leading a careless reader to assume that the bundlers were responsible for "about half" of Obama's contributions, very far from the mark indeed!
I don't know about you, but in my household the difference between $200 and $2300 is significant. But what is especially egregious is that the figures for $2300 contributions, which it *would* make sense to cite at that point, were readily available. (Incidentally that figure is 23%, less than a quarter, and much, much less than Hillary's 38% or McCain's 43%)
April 11, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops! Up there where I wrote "When you look at the maxed out donors, you see once again dramatic differences between the candidates" the figures should be:
$2300 contributions:
Obama 23%
Clinton 38%
McCain 43%
The 41%, 60%, 70% figures were for $1000+ contributions.
(That's what I get for trying to edit down what I thought was a too-long comment.)
April 11, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Conflating money from individuals with money from lobbyists is just silly.
Every time my husband donates, it gets toted up in that law firm column. I can promise you that there are more republicans than dems at his law firm and since we're in PA, likely more Clinton thn Obama supporters. His support of Obama has nothing to do with his law firm.
It does have something to do with his love of the constitution though.
I'm working my way up through the donation numbers. Every now and again I go and check my total, but most of my donations are given spur of the moment whenever I see something I really like in the campaign or there's a particularly egregious claim coming from the other candidate. Then I click a few keys and donate again. But, I truly don't count being currently back in school and unemployed.
April 11, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I'm glad that Obama has billionaires who support him, even as he criticizes the way many of them do business. Believe it or not, there are some conscious billionaires out there. And Obama is a conscious candidate. So it's a good marriage.
And believe me, most of Hillary's money comes from Drug companies and lobbyists. So, in terms of who she serves, she's locked up.
But if Obama disagrees with one of his billionaire backers, he can always turn to the people to support him instead. That puts him in a position of power.
On another note though, I wish Obama would say something about the food riots in Haiti and other parts of the world. That is a dangerous trend peculating.
April 11, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, Josh, get rid of these people that are not staying with the script that Senator Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro are f%^&'ing Wh$%res.
I guess we know who thinks they run this web site now.
April 11, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, it's dembillc in drag.
April 11, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
More like a John Solomon "no there there" slasher, if you ask me. "Ooohhh, look at who's giving money to Obama. He must be in their pocket."
Those 79 "big bundlers" were responsible for a whopping 15% of the money he's raised.
Setting the "big contributor" threshold $200.00 is facially idiotic and appears to have been arbitrarily picked based on the total pecentage of contributions it would allow the WaPo to call "big donors."
Counting someone who's donated ten bucks every month for ten months as a "big donor" is also idiotic at best and dishonest at worst.
April 11, 2008 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Counting someone who's donated ten bucks every month for ten months as a "big donor" is also idiotic at best and dishonest at worst."
Agreed. But the dishonesty (or idiocy, take your pick) goes even further, seeing as the article pulls numbers from various sources (March estimates, January monthly totals, cumulative through Feb) and throws them together willy-nilly, without any reference to which refers to what.
It saddens me to see that Greg, who used to relish exposing this type of (s)hit piece, is instead praising it: "...explains [Obama's fundraising success] in a more probing way...Worth a read."
Oh, Greg, you're *better* than this! At least you used to be. I think.
April 11, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It does change the picture, though, if Obama's success was being touted as coming from small donors, and the implication was it was mostly from small donors.
April 11, 2008 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It still is, IMO.
$200 is a small donation compared to $2,500.
Of course, Hillary gets donations of over $4,000, then has to return the money when caught...
April 11, 2008 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, has Barry returned that 15,000 from Rezko yet?
Oh wait, Barry LIED and it was actually 100,000!
Oh wait, Barry LIED AGAIN and it was actually over 200,000!
Seriously, scmadden, you conveniently forget thee facts as you take it up the wazoo for Barry. Tsk tsk!
April 11, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a coincidence - same here.
:)
April 11, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply |