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Zogby: Obama Takes Narrow Lead In Ohio
This morning's Zogby tracking polls shows Barack Obama holding narrow leads in Texas and Ohio, though both results are well within the margins of error. Here are the numbers, compared to yesterday's tracking poll:
Ohio:
Obama 47% (+1)
Clinton 45% (-2)
Texas:
Obama 47% (+0)
Clinton 44% (+1)
So far, this is the only major poll to give Obama any kind of lead in Ohio.
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And yet the cutesy talking point from the Clinton Brigade is that Obama can't "seal the deal."
Alright then, give us another week to test that thesis before we go with the candidate that bleeds a 20+ point lead down to nothing over the course of two weeks.
I know if I were a manager, I'd go with the salesman who attracts buyers from the big chain store, not the one who evidently has a tendency to drive away loyal customers.
March 3, 2008 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Clear movement for Obama! Not much on Zogby tracking polls but this and a number of other polls make it close and a wash on delegates. Now it's turnout, turnout,and turnout! The superior ground game could put it over the top for Obama!
March 3, 2008 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, on Super Tuesday Zobgy said: Obama 49%, Clinton 36%. They were right about just about every other one, but that one they weren't. The real margin, as MSNBC shows was: Clinton 52%, Obama 42%. SurveyUSA had: Clinton 52%, Obama 42% on that Monday night before the vote.
I'll wait for that one even though I know their not perfect, but at least I can put more weight on it then most others.
March 3, 2008 8:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zogby? Really? We still take him seriously?
March 3, 2008 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the Survey USA report card has Zogby rated above Rasmussen, PPP, CNN, ARG, CBS and the LA Times. Admittedly though, the size of the screw-up in California is hard to get past.
March 3, 2008 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe they learned their lesson, refined their methods? After all, polling is a business. Fail to deliver too many times and you'll find yourself in red ink. There's is an incentive to always improve. Still, the Quinnipiac polls has a better track record, and it shows a 4 point spread -- not the double digits Clinton will need to convince the likes of Bill Richardson.
March 3, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, TPM. When are we going to be able to post without having to constantly sign in and resign in then have to retype the password and retype it again and again...very frustrating. Still!
March 3, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
indeed, please someone address this problem! it makes me sign in over and over, and half the time tells me my password is 'invalid'. over and over, every time I visit this site, it tells me I'm signed in, then makes me redo it when I try to post a comment, erases my comment and says my info is wrong. the comments section here is just terrible for this reason, and this reason alone.
March 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have that same problem.
March 3, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have learned that if you type in your ID and PW correctly and still get a error message, just hit SEND again, and it will take it. But I agree that some software fix is needed here.
March 3, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zogby has fairly consistently overestimated Obama's numbers in this election. There's no way Obama's going to win Ohio. He just needs to keep it close. He at least has a shot in Texas.
March 3, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
None of these polls have been accurate this election cycle, so its hard to put any stock in any of them...
Like Obama said this past weekend when he was asked about the polls showing him up and closing in TX and OH, he said, "remember New Hampshire."
Although, imo, Obama only needs to win one of the 2 big states, if he losses both, doubts will start to settle in about his ability to close the deal...With that said and the New Hampshire loss in the back of my mind, I really am nervous about tomorrow...
March 3, 2008 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
That said, it is Zogby... their record this season hasn't been so great. Still, no question that the race is tight in both states -- an Obama victory in both would put this thing to rest without question.
March 3, 2008 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
And on top of that, MSNBC shows Clinton 57%, Obama 40% in New York on Feb 5, Super Tuesday.
Feb 4 SurveyUSA
Clinton 56%, Obama 38%
Feb 4 Quinnipiac
Clinton 53%, Obama 39%
Seems to me that Quinnipiac might be more accurate.
March 3, 2008 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon, "idiotic"! We're waiting with quivering anticipation!
this is EXCELLENT NEWS...
March 3, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
This story and the one below it should be merged. 4 polls came out on Ohio: Obama +2, Clinton +4, Clinton +12, and Clinton +16. Giving separate stories to the 2 polls is not very helpful.
March 3, 2008 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zogby is basically a self-admitted snake oil salesman... just look at his interview on "the daily show" immediately following the NH primary.
maybe he was just having fun (at his own expense), but i got the feeling that there was a bit too much honesty in what he was saying...
paraphrase: if these crazy people want to pay me a lot of money to come up with (these unreliable) numbers, then who am i to refuse?
March 3, 2008 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Beats working.
March 3, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blah blah blah blah
Blah blah blah
Oh yeah, Hillary is screwed unless she can win +20 in BOTH Texas and Ohio.
End of story.
March 3, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I'm dumb, I should have looked closer before I posted.
MO-Pres (D)
Feb 5 Zogby
Obama 45%, Clinton 42%
Feb 4 SurveyUSA
Clinton 54%, Obama 43%
Feb 3 Mason-Dixon
Clinton 47%, Obama 41%
Feb 2 ARG
Obama 44%, Clinton 42%
Feb 1 Rasmussen
Clinton 47%, Obama 38%
I'm confused now... The only thing I can think of is that all this momentum going his way, with it being this close, will probably do him well in Ohio and the Zogby numbers up there might show a possible repeat of MO.
Also, Zogby's numbers are over a three day period so its very possible that the race is breaking to him even further in these last few days.
March 3, 2008 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
WHERE THE HELL IS THE CANADIAN MEMO STORY ON THIS SITE ....OBAMA DENIES IT ALL WEEK AND NOW A MEMO SHOWS UP PROVING HE LIES ............MSM IS COVERING IT BUT THE BLOGS HAVENT EVEN MENTIONED IT
March 3, 2008 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I THINK TEH CAPS LOCK IS ON!!!1
March 3, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zumper - quit hijacking this thread. If you have an issue with some unsubstantiated Canadian issue, please find an appropriate thread. The discussion hear is about the polls in Ohio.
March 3, 2008 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
There have already been probably ten posts on this fabricated story. I'm surprised you didn't throw in rezko again as well for the thousandth time or how about wanting to be president in kindergarten, that one "works" as well.
March 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean a memo from a third party in which he makes up a Goolsbee quote? Oh, and the author of that "smoking gun" piece is none other than Nedra Pickler, who lost any shred of credibility with that "Obama Patriotism" piece last week.
March 3, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I totally agree with you Mike on this one. Zogby has been unreliable.
Intrade futures shows Obama as the clear favorite in Texas but Hillary is still favored to win in Ohio.
Still, it is nice to see Obama with some momentum going into Tuesday.
March 3, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
never, ever cite Zogby. Zogby is the most unreliable polling organization there is, their methodology is crap, and they admit it themselves.
March 3, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
These polls are driving me nuts. It's a toss-up and we'll find out tomorrow. They have as much credibility as the clintons, which is zero.
Bottom line is that the clintons can't close the deal. They were up by 20 points or more in virtually all the states that obama has won. There obviously is a problem that she can't close the deal and she should give it up. I wonder who makes the 3 am phone call on 3/5 to her? Will it take 5 rings before she answers it?
March 3, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
C'mon, "idiotic"! We're waiting with quivering anticipation!
this is EXCELLENT NEWS...
I know, I know.
But EXCELLENT NEWS!!!! FOR WHO?????
March 3, 2008 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm an Obama supporter, but feeling - somehow, for some reason - not so good about tomorrow. I see Hillary winning Ohio outright and then getting a majority of the popular vote in Texas, while Obama take more delegates. Do I just need another Prozac? Someone point me to something that tells me otherwise.
March 3, 2008 9:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
The best news is that since Super Tuesday Obama has outperformed the polls. Granted he cannot do it forever, but if Hillary does not win by double-digits in both states, she will still be behind in delegates. The problem for Obama is that she will be the "comeback kid" and can claim the momentum going forward. Then it is suck-it-up time for Obama.
Mathematically there is little chance of her pulling ahead in delegates by convention time. What she can do is create problems with superdelegates and MI/FL.
Her campaign in the last week has been extremely negative. Her gamble is that she has won over more undecideds than she has lost as a result. But bottom line, it is still up to Hillary to prove her case.
My reading: Clinton Fatigue has set in among the electorate, and she is finished. The irony is that this is aside from all the legitimate issues that need to be discussed. But people are tired of the Clintons and her in-your-face tactics of the past few weeks have pushed many over the edge.
March 3, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zumper:
The memo stated that the campaign rhetoric may be more exaggerated than actual policy in an Obama presidency.
To which I say: thank God for that.
March 3, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is a stealth factor in a lot of polls, and that is the fact that a lot of young people only have cells, no land lines (esp. the ones in college), and these folks don't show up in the polls. And, no surprise here, college kids by a significant majority, vote for Obama.
March 3, 2008 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
As an individual who has opposed many of the policies of the past seven years, and in particular its foreign policy, I am not blindly tied to the Democratic Party. And I do not support a candidate whose policies and tactics mirror those of the past seven years and the Republican Platform. I am not willing to trade such poor judgement for the opportunity of Universal Healthcare. I do not care if Hillary is from our team (?). If I wanted a leader who appealed to Americans worst instincts on the issue of security - with FEAR, I would vote for the candidate on the Republican ticket.
It is important for Democrats to participate in the dialogue on security issues, and articulate a coherent set of policies, but for me, to mirror republican positions to gain credibility is a problem. I have a serious problem with how Hillary and many of our Democratic Leaders have addressed these issues.
Where was her Leadership when the nation needed a strong voice opposing this war?
If she wins the nomination, I would have a difficult time supporting her, and probably choice not to.
March 3, 2008 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it wrong that I find myself first searching for idiotic before reading any other posts on a new thread? I think it's wrong, but I just can't help myself.
March 3, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please refer to my comment concerning Zogby polls.
March 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
nice comment on the link. zogby is worse than a joke. he's a fraud.
March 3, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Pollster is reliable (Poll of polls) and it shows Obama with significant momentum, and Clinton holding a 6 point lead. Don't be surprised if it turns out to be similar to Missouri (razor thin win for Obama). Texas will be a blowout. Not even close.
It's the ground game and organizing. The Obama campaign is improving in this area on a daily basis. They've hit a critical mass in numbers and are overwhelming anyone or anything getting in its way.
March 3, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was phone banking in TX yesterday afternoon and I was astounded at how few people I talked to understood about the evening caucus. It seems that many democrats, despite the weeks that we having been hearing about this now, still do not know that they can vote twice, once in the primary and again in the caucus in the evening, and that both count for the apportionment of delegates. We were simply phone-banking Obama supporters to educate them about this. I figure that Obama supporters, being slightly better educated on average, should be the one's most likely to know already about the system, so if the folks to whom I was speaking did not know, you can expect that the democratic primary electorate in general is even more ignorant.
This is a long way of saying that Obama's superior organization should pay off big-time in the delegate counts tomorrow. If the only folks who even know about the caucus are the ones who were contacted by the Obama campaign (I exagerate here, but not by much), then we stand a good chance to clean up tomorrow night.
March 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not surprised at Zogby poll. So far Obama has pulled past Hillary in the last few days of every state he has won. With Teamsters backing Obama, Ohio could turn his way.
We don't have to wait long, we will know tomorrow whether Zogby got it right and everyone else got it wrong (has happened before) or Zogby screwed up.
March 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not surprised at Zogby poll. So far Obama has pulled past Hillary in the last few days of every state he has won. With Teamsters backing Obama, Ohio could turn his way.
We don't have to wait long, we will know tomorrow whether Zogby got it right and everyone else got it wrong (has happened before) or Zogby screwed up.
March 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!
March 3, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Zogby? Oh, the restaurant guidebook...I use it all the time!
March 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whew! Thanks, idiotic, the suspense was killing me! Reading your posts is like having an orgasm (only better).
March 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been thinking about this for a while. Here's what I don't like about HRC (and Bill). They only seem to really make progress when they have been pushed back far enough and are motivated by fear of losing. They are at their best when their backs are in the corner, but when not pressed with the specter of virtual extinction, they become strangely inert and incapable of making forward progress. That's what Bill's entire presidency was like -- he was backed into a corner continually and he fought back everytime, but ultimately that was where all of his energy was spent -- in staying afloat. HRC's campaign seems to epitomize this trait as well. You can never take her out of the game entirely, but she is never going to be the ones to make forward progress.
I want forward progress and I guess I am willing to take a risk to get it. It's as simple as that.
March 3, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. I am confident with probability P=1.0 that if Obama wins TX (as seems highly likely) with any sort of spread even close to Zogby's numbers that we will hear all about how Zogby "got it right".
Just would like to draw attention to the fact that the same Zogby poll also shows Mike Gravel surging. Up from less than 1% a few days ago to a full 2% today! Senators Clinton and Obama had better watch out!
March 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The undecideds will tell the tale. There is still 5% - 8% in the various polls of voters who haven't made up their minds. Whoever gets these votes will win regardless who is ahead in the polls right now.
March 3, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink